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Kim Aris On the Campaign to Free Aung San Suu Kyi
2026/09/28
Kim Aris has conducted a concerted campaign for the release of his mother, Aung San Suu Kyi, ever since she was detained in early 2021, when Myanmar’s military ousted her elected government and tipped the country into a bloody civil war.
Her meeting last month with an official from the International Committee for the Red Cross, following Kim’s Proof of Life campaign, did little to calm fears for the Nobel laureate’s health and safety amid claims that the meeting was staged, and at this point her whereabouts remain a closely guarded secret.
Kim Aris spoke to The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about his mother’s fate, the National Unity Government (NUG) in exile, and the ethnic armed organizations (EAOs) battling it out with the military in a conflict that has now killed more than 100,000 people.
He also talks about the recent diplomatic tour by the regime’s president Min Aung Hlaing to neighboring countries and his administration, which he described as a “parody of democracy," since one-sided elections were held in January.
"Sometimes I think that a parody of democracy could be more dangerous than a blatant dictatorship, because that gives people an opportunity to avoid doing anything about it,” he said.
“Min Aung Hlaing claimed that Myanmar remains on the path to democracy. That’s just a calculated attempt to pacify domestic resistance and offer foreign governments an easy diplomatic off-ramp to normalize relations or justify inaction.”
He also discussed the recently formed Steering Council for the Emergence of a Federal Democratic Union, which combines the NUG, key EAOs, and parliamentary bodies, describing it as an important step toward a genuine federal democracy in Myanmar.
POGOs and Online Scams, From the Philippines to Myanmar
2026/09/22
Eunice Barbara Novio is a Thailand-based journalist and an English lecturer at Vongchavalitkul University who has has written extensively on human trafficking in Southeast Asia, particularly focusing on Filipino victims trafficked to Myanmar.
A veteran writer for Inquirer.net, she has reported about how trafficking networks lure Filipinos with false job offers, only to exploit them in scam hubs or forced labor situations.
Novio has also helped victims of organized crime escape from their ordeal, particularly from compounds operating inside Myanmar and close to the Thai border.
She told The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt that the current scam compound phenomenon had its roots in the Philippines dating back to 2016, when Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators, commonly known as POGOs, took hold and flourished in places like Bamban – a small agricultural town north of Manila.
A Matter of Trust: Google, Artificial Intelligence, and the Public Sphere
2026/09/14
Singapore-based Bertha Chan heads Trust and Safety Global Engagements across the Asia-Pacific for Google, focusing on the safeguards and considerations needed to prevent AI misuse while keeping pace with the technology.
Her remit covers jurisdictions and partnerships with governments and civil society, as well as combating the ever-evolving online scam industry, which is already adopting the latest advances in AI, especially the production of deep fakes.
Chan says that the foundation of all innovation and technology adoption has to be trust and that Google aims to protect its users at every part of their “entire digital journey,” adding that its email product, Gmail, stops 90 percent of spam phishing and malware from ever reaching an inbox.
“So that’s what we call all safety by design,” Chan told The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt, adding that Google has deployed research teams seek to establish policies and frameworks aimed at safeguarding children and families from dangerous and sexual content, and preventing fraud.
“These experts are advisors that specialize in a very wide range of expertise, for example, developmental psychology, cultural anthropology, human development, youth culture [and] youth behavior – when it comes to technology more,” Chan said.
“So with their expertise we collaborate and understand and seek to really fine tune our products.”
Prior to Google, Chan drove digital transformation and international relations initiatives within the Singapore government. She holds a Master’s degree in sociology from the University of Oxford and a Bachelor’s degree in psychology from University College London.
El Niño, Climate Catastrophe, and the Coming Financial Showdown
2026/09/10
Pablo Berrutti is founder and managing director of Altiorem, a sustainable finance library, and a strategic advisor with a background in the integration of artificial intelligence measuring the impact of climate change and its impact on business.
This includes banks and insurance companies and their awkward relationships with factoring in the challenges of climate change and confronting their responsibilities, which have recently been sorely tested by the arrival of a super-charged El Niño weather phenomena.
In recent weeks the glacial collapse in Nepal, wildfires in Indonesia, the haze, droughts and typhoons across East Asia have taken horrible toll on human life and racked-up damage bills that will be measured in the tens of billions of dollars.
Governments and financial institutions were warned. The potential for this year’s El Niño was first raised in May, formally announced on June 16 and the World Meteorological Organization says the current conditions are expected to last until February.
But Berrutti told The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt that wealthy countries like Australia had spent very little on preparation and building in resilience into assets. Instead, about 95 percent of disaster funds went to recovery.
“Whereas other countries, sadly, who aren’t as wealthy as Australia, a lot of Southeast Asian countries, clearly aren’t in a position to be able to build that resilience to these types of events," he said.
He added that it’s not only the big events that made headlines, caused destruction, and loss of life that matter, but also the chronic effects of extreme heat, noting that more than 30,000 people had died this year from back-to-back European heatwaves.
“It’s also an economic productivity perspective or a human health perspective, the knock on effects from fires and what that means from a lung disease and heart disease perspective,” Berrutti said.
Mohan Malik on Trump, Asia, and the Legacy of the Global War on Terror
2026/09/03
Mohan Malik is a veteran China-Asia analyst and military strategist who has advised senior brass on geopolitics at the U.S. Defense Department’s Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies, and he is a former director of Defence Studies at Deakin University in Australia.
Malik spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt, his former student, about how China, Asia, and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) are shaping-up as U.S. President Donald Trump prepares for the mid-term elections and as the world marks 25 years since the 9/11 attacks that spawned the Global War on Terror.
Also known as the 9/11 Wars, the Global War on Terror ended with the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan five years ago. Left behind was a vastly different geopolitical landscape and the ramifications have continued to influence diplomacy in China, Asia, and ASEAN to this day.
ASEAN is divided between maritime and mainland countries but also by religion, mainly Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam, and Malik says they are still confronted by major problems. But some nations emerged from the 9/11 Wars stronger than others.
“Thailand, Indonesia, and India in South Asia, to some extent Sri Lanka to Bangladesh have done relatively better, they have been able to manage, contain the threat of domestic terrorism,” he said.
China also emerged in a stronger position and is now facing headwinds from the Trump administration and perhaps ASEAN, which wants to finalize its Code of Conduct in the South China Sea with Beijing by the end of this year.
“Even if Code of Conduct is concluded it’s not going to stop China’s creation of artificial islands and militarization of those artificial islands,” Malik said.
“It’s going to provide greater legitimacy to China's efforts to subdue Southeast Asian countries and other rival claimants to the South China Sea.”
AI, Scams, the Law and Governance, a Conversation with David Tan
2026/08/27
Governments across Southeast Asia are struggling with the arrival of artificial intelligence, its endless possibilities that can improve everyday life and the threats posed by organized crime and the scam industries which have taken hold in the region.
Singapore-based, David Tan, co-director of the Centre for Technology, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence & the Law, says the predominant issues evolve around what he calls the three Ps: permanence, proliferation and perniciousness.
“We only need to regulate what’s truly important – what’s really pernicious, that proliferates and has that permanent digital memory,” he said, adding: “Intimate sexual images, child abuse images, whether digital or not, that should be a priority.”
Tan, who also heads Intellectual Property of the EW Barker Centre for Law & Business at the National University of Singapore, spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about how to combat the negative impact and AI’s reach into financial markets, public health and pop culture.
Common law and legislation are key as is online safety commissions, which have been deployed by a core group of eight countries, Singapore and South Korea among them, where national authorities coordinate across borders through the Global Online Safety Regulators Network.
But he says the industrialized scam industry is here to stay with crime syndicates expected to grow and continue in taking advantage of AI and in particular, deep fakes.
“I think that one just has to be more vigilant as to the kind of fakes we get,” he said.
ASEAN Fractures Widen as Thailand Hosts Myanmar's Min Aung Hlaing
2026/08/11
As the people of Myanmar recently commemorated the 8888 uprising that demanded political freedom but was brutally put down in August 1988, Thailand was playing host to Min Aung Hlaing, the former general who seized power through a coup in early 2021.
This was Min Aung Hlaing's second official visit to an ASEAN member state since military-staged elections in December and January ensured his transition to the presidency and one that widened the schisms within ASEAN, which has barred Myanmar from official summits and events amid a bloody civil war.
Thai Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul broke with that line despite ASEAN protocols and potential legal issues given the International Court of Justice will soon deliver its verdict on whether Min Aung Hlaing and Myanmar’s senior generals committed a genocide against the Rohingya.
Min Aung Hlaing’s first official visit as president was to Laos in early July and his trip to Thailand came less than a week after he allowed a representative from the International Committee of the Red Cross to meet with the jailed former leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who had been unsighted for many years amid concerns for health.
Mark Cogan is an associate professor of Peace and Conflict Studies at Kansai Gaidai University in Osaka and a regular contributor to The Diplomat. He joined Luke Hunt on Beyond the Mekong to discuss the recent developments in regional politics.
That includes the moral and political questions that have divided maritime and mainland Southeast Asia, including the civil war in Myanmar, which has claimed 100,000 lives, the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea, and Thailand’s simmering border conflict with Cambodia.
Where is Myanmar's Aung San Suu Kyi?
2026/08/07
The military-backed government in Myanmar this week released four photos of the country's jailed former leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who met with Arnaud de Baecque, the resident representative for the International Committee of the Red Cross to Myanmar, on August 3.
“This may be a first step, but it must not be the last,” her son, Kim Aris, said in a statement.
Sean Turnell, an Australian economist who worked with Suu Kyi and then shared a prison with her after the military coup in 2021, agrees, adding that "proof of life" is also required for some 20,000 people who are believed to be held as political prisoners inside Myanmar’s jails.
Turnell returned to Beyond the Mekong and spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about the first confirmation of Suu Kyi’s existence in many years and the issues facing the opposition National Unity Government (NUG) and the various armed groups battling the military.
The NUG, its People’s Defense Force (PDF), and the country's numerous ethnic armed organizations (EAOs) have faced a resurgent military this year and a counter-offensive aimed at retaking territory won by the rebels during 2023 and 2024.
Min Aung Hlaing, the coup leader and now military-backed civilian leader, has also gone on a diplomatic offensive in search of international legitimacy for his administration within ASEAN, which wants the junta to return to its Five-Point Consensus as a roadmap for peace.
Turnell, who spent 650 days behind bars prior to his release in November 2022, says the civil war which has claimed some 100,000 lives cannot be won by the military, as the NUG and EAOs continue to formulate a federal framework for a country mired by ethnic differences. But eventually, he says, peace will prevail.
The Shifting Contours of Transnational Cybercrime in the Asia-Pacific
2026/07/28
Last week the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) released its latest report on transnational scam networks, which found that victims from East Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia, and New Zealand had been defrauded of up to $114.1 billion in 2025.
The report draws on official data, case records, financial intelligence, and field research in describing an increasingly sophisticated criminal ecosystem dominated by Chinese-origin transnational organized crime groups.
It also covers the trafficking of physical goods and services, including wildlife, along with cyber-enabled fraud, criminal infrastructure, and platform-based financial settlements.
Ian Timberlake, a retired journalist who acts as a part-time adviser on anti-money laundering and financial crime, attended the launch of the 256-page UNODC report in Bangkok and the expert discussions that followed.
In the latest edition of the Beyond the Mekong podcast, he speaks with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about the spread of industrialized scamming and fraud across the region, from Sri Lanka to Timor-Leste.
AI is also playing a role in the scam economy, with deep fakes being deployed to defraud banks, financial institutions, and ordinary people, at a level that is challenging international law enforcement agencies and their governments.
Timberlake worked as a journalist for 39 years, initially in his native Canada, focusing mostly on crime and police reporting. He also spent 26 years as a correspondent and editor with the Agence France-Presse news agency in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and Washington, D.C.
He is a member of the Association of Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialists and the author of “The Bay Man from Bulawayo,” available on Rakuten Kobo.
Transnational Repression, Organized Crime, and Conflict in Southeast Asia
2026/07/22
Chinese dissident Zhang Xinyan was detained by authorities in Thailand last week while boarding her scheduled flight from Bangkok to Canada for resettlement, despite holding a refugee visa from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and all required approvals from Ottawa.
Human rights groups immediately leapt to her defense, adding there are three more Chinese dissidents – Bai Zhaodong, Tan Yixiang, and Zhou Junyi – currently being held in Thai detention centers who were at risk of being forcibly returned if local authorities bow to pressure from Beijing.
Phil Robertson, director of Asia Human Rights and Labour Advocates, returns to Beyond the Mekong to speak with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about their plight and the region-wide issue of transnational repression.
“If they, these four refugees, are sent back, including Zhang and others, they would face persecution, arrest, likely torture and detention, and long prison terms,” he said.
Robertson said Zhang Xinyan’s detention had again raised concerns in the United States, European Union, Australia, and Canada, which was expected to lead diplomatic efforts in securing her release. Their plight was also reminiscent of the 40 Uyghurs that Thailand forcibly repatriated to China last year.
“If Thailand, at the last minute pulls back a case like this, because the autocratic dictatorship [in China] has demanded the return of their people, it raises concerns about whether Thailand has any seriousness in the protection of refugees,” he said.
Bangkok-based Robertson, who has 30 years of experience working in human rights, also speaks about organized crime, human trafficking networks, and scam compounds in mainland Southeast Asia, as well as cross-border relations between Thailand and Cambodia.
He said both countries are suffering, particularly economically, as the border remains shut after they fought a bitter six month conflict across the frontier last, ending in a December truce.
But Robertson says Cambodia has not done enough to end the scourge of organized crime – a key plank in the ceasefire – and has failed to hold accountable the country’s business tycoons, some of which have been named and sanctioned by the United States and others for their ties to scam compounds.
“They continue to be too big to touch,” he said, adding the crackdown is selective and Cambodia was trying to create an impression for the international community that it was tackling organized crime while trying to maintain the bigger, well connected scam centers.
“The international community right now is not buying it,” he said.
The State of Cambodia's Online Scamming Industry
2026/07/17
Scotsman Nathan Paul Southern is the Operations Director of the Eyewitness Project and an investigative reporter specializing in global conflict, transnational crime, and corruption, primarily in Southeast Asia.
Based in Cambodia, he investigates the intersection of war and criminality, uncovering the networks and power structures that drive conflict and illicit activity around the world.
Southern spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about the Cambodian government’s crackdown on organized crime and those who were trafficked or duped into the country and then forced to work in scam compounds.
He says the government is still struggling with its crackdown given the sheer scale of the scam compounds, which have also frightened off tourists and foreign investors while remaining a thorn in the side of relations with Thailand.
Cambodia and Thailand fought a bitter border war last year, which had its roots in organized crime, and government insiders on both sides of the closed border say they fear a return to hostilities is possible. After a recent trip to the border, Southern agrees.
“I was last there about two months ago, we had warning shots fired… there were shots coming over from the border, and we've been told that those shots are happening daily. There was an incident last week when four Cambodian soldiers were injured in an explosion," he said.
“We're also hearing from various parts of the country that the Thais are actually still flying fighter jets into Cambodian territory. They’re not dropping anything.
“But they are flying in. So the risk of conflict is incredibly high and it doesn't take a centralized decision for this to escalate. It just takes one side to shoot back on these warning shots or something to be fired over the border and we're back there again,” Southern added said.
Analyzing the Human Toll of Myanmar's Civil War
2026/06/26
Su Mon is a senior analyst with Armed Conflict Location & Event Data (ACLED) specializing in conflict dynamics and democracy in the Asia-Pacific. Her focus is on Myanmar, where her independent, non-profit organization collects real time data and analysis.
According to Su Mon and ACLED, the death toll from all sides since the civil war erupted with a coup d’etat in February 2021 is about to hit 100,000 with the conflict entering a stalemate.
Of particular recent concern are allegations of atrocities committed against the Rohingya by the Arakan Army (AA) in 2024-2025, during its successful offensives in Rakhine State, and whether the Rohingya can return home from the refugee camps in Bangladesh.
Su Mon said the AA had not fully denied the allegations but argued militants from the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army and Rohingya recruited by the military had intermingled with civilians, resulting in civilian casualties.
“Notably, these incidents occurred after the Myanmar military began recruiting Rohingyas and were reportedly cooperating with Rohingya insurgent groups to counter the AA,” she told The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt.
Since then, clashes between the AA and Rohingya armed groups have intensified, accompanied by increased violence against Rohingya civilians by multiple actors, including the military, the AA, and Rohingya insurgents. It’s a trend, Su Mon says, that will be difficult to reverse.
“These developments suggest that conditions remain unsafe for Rohingya repatriation, regardless of who controls Rakhine state or whether a ceasefire is reached between the military and the AA," she said.
“Without credible security guarantees from all parties and broader political arrangements that address the underlying drivers of the conflict, Rohingya communities will remain vulnerable to violence and displacement."
Journalism and Fighting for Indigenous Rights in Myanmar
2026/06/04
Scott Johnson is an Australian lawyer, journalist, and human rights advocate with more than 25 years experience, focusing on indigenous groups and geopolitical issues in Southeast Asia. He also runs Tribal Action Group and its popular YouTube channel.
His work began in the 1990s with human rights campaigns and lobbying on behalf of the Montagnard Foundation, representing the interests of the indigenous Montagnard hill tribe groups of Vietnam in the corridors of power around the world.
In recent years that focus has shifted to Myanmar where Johnson has conducted some 30 excursions, including more than 70 jungle border crossings, to report on the various resistance forces – the Karen, Kachin, Chin, and Rakhine – opposing military dictatorship.
Despite recent territorial gains by the military and a far from united opposition made up of about 20 ethnic armed organizations, Johnson says the civil war remains unwinnable for the junta.
Johnson spoke to The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about his recent trip into Karen State where he met with the Kawthoolei Army and its leader Gen. Nerdah Bo Mya who has declared an independent Republic of Kawthoolei.
Opinions about the declaration and Nerdah himself are mixed but Johnson says Nerdah is adamant about independence and is prepared to take the fight to the military, where other militias appear content to sit back and focus on controlling their own territories.
“In all my conversations with him, he’s reiterating the fact that he's gonna stick with the people and they're gonna demand independence, freedom, and are not giving up,” he said.
Johnson has also written for The Washington Times, The Epoch Times, Soldier of Fortune, Asia Times and the West Australian. He has worked on documentaries about Vietnam, Myanmar, and the long running civil war in Aceh, which ended in 2005.
A Welsh Reporter on Myanmar’s Frontlines
2026/05/28
Lorcan Lovett is a Welsh journalist based in Southeast Asia who has reported across the region with a focus on Myanmar since 2017. He has just returned from a trip to the war-torn country and to Bangladesh, where he toured the refugee camps housing the Rohingya.
He says life remains tough in the camps but those with access to the internet are following the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague where judges are deliberating on allegations that senior generals in the Myanmar junta committed a genocide against the Rohingya.
A verdict is expected in about three months.
Lovett spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about their plight and the military’s recent counter offensive aimed at taking back territory lost to the rebel ethnic armed organizations since Myanmar erupted into a civil war in early 2021.
And there are allegations of atrocities committed by the Arakan Army which has proven itself the most affective fighting force against the junta.
Lovett’s work has appeared in The Guardian, The Observer, Nieman Reports, The Sunday Times, and Al Jazeera, among other international outlets, and he has also reported on Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Cambodia as well as from the U.K. and Ukraine.
He has featured on NPR, BBC Radio and other radio programmes and podcasts. He writes and presents video reports regularly on his Substack, On Myanmar.
Trump and Xi: The Impact on Southeast Asia
2026/05/18
Few political meetings have been anticipated as much as U.S. President Donald Trump’s summit with Chinese Premier Xi Jinping, held in Beijing late last week. It was the first bilateral engagement of its type in a decade and delivered with all the pomp and ceremony that the Chinese could muster.
For the rest of the world, however, it was a two-man show based on their interests. Xi left no doubt in the minds of Americans that Taiwan was at the forefront of his agenda while Trump secured trade deals – soy beans and beef – for farmers back home.
But where did that leave ASEAN and the middle powers struggling with the U.S.-Israel war on Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz?
It remains the world’s biggest issue with the global economy on the brink as emergency stockpiles of oil and gas run low and governments are forced to decide whether to maintain costly subsidies or pass the spiraling costs of energy supplies onto the general public.
Bart Édes, a distinguished fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada, followed the summit closely and spoke with The Diplomat’s Luke Hunt about what it did and didn’t mean for the region, where China is adamant about Taiwan.
“President Xi said at the outset that if the U.S. did not handle Taiwan properly, it would risk a clash between the two great powers,” Édes noted.
“He also warned of the Thucydides trap, referring to the Greek historian who observed the clash that occurred when Athens rose to challenge Sparta, a rising power and an existing power, and how over the course of history that has often led to clashes.
“And Xi warned against the relationship heading in that direction,” Édes added.
It was a calculated warning. Trump and Xi may have added some much needed clarity to their relationship but scant attention was paid to the fog of war that is still blowing in from the Middle East, as thick as ever, as the damage bill continues to pile up.
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