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35 episodes
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Date created
2024/03/07
Latest episode
2026/01/20
Average duration
35 min.
Release period
18 days
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FACE-OFF: US vs CHINA is an inside look at the turbulent relationship between the world's two superpowers, the two men in charge, and the vital issues that affect us all. FACE-OFF is hosted by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jane Perlez, former New York Times Beijing bureau chief and current fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center. In each episode Professor Rana Mitter, recently of the University of Oxford and now professor of modern China at the Harvard Kennedy School, chats with Jane on what’s at stake. FACE-OFF is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions.
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The Chip Whisperer
2026/01/20
Jensen Huang built the company that powers the AI revolution—and he's playing both Washington and Beijing. The Taiwan-born Nvidia CEO holds the keys to artificial intelligence. But whose side is he really on? Inside the rise of tech's most important power broker.
Guest: Tripp Mickle New York Times Tech Reporter
Book Recommendations
The Thinking Machine: Jensen Huang, Nvidia and the World’s Most Coveted Microchip by Stephen Witt.
After Steve by Tripp Mickle
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The Charm Offensive That Isn't
2026/01/13
As Trump trashes American soft power, can China fill the void? A top Chinese academic explains why Beijing struggles to win hearts and minds and why being feared isn't the same as being loved. Plus: How American influencers are going viral in China.
Guest: Da Wei, Professor, Tsinghua University
Book Recommendations
Sparks: China’s Underground Historians and their Battle for the Future by Ian Johnson
Other Rivers: A Chinese Education by Peter Hessler
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Clash on the High Seas
2026/01/06
High-seas drama as Chinese warships hunt Filipino fishing boats in their own waters. Beijing is testing America's oldest Pacific ally with dangerous games of maritime chicken. With Philippine politics in flux, can Manila hold the line or will China fracture another US alliance?
Guest: Marites Vitug, Filipino Journalist & Author, editor-at-large for Rappler and chair of the Journalism for Nation Building Foundation
Reading Recommendations
Rock Solid: How the Philippines Won Its Maritime Case Against China by Marites Vitug
The U.S. and China Are One Misstep Away From War by Chris Rosenbach and Chris LiFace-Off: The U.S. vs. China is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions.
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The Rugby Gambit
2025/12/16
The strangest geopolitical deal you've never heard of: Australia trades rugby league spots for an agreement not to make an agreement with China. Papua New Guinea's players get to compete Down Under and in return, China gets locked out of a strategic Pacific island. Sports diplomacy at its most serious.
Guest: Oliver Nobetau, Papua New Guinea Government Lawyer & Fellow at the Lowy Institute
Book Recommendations
Lost In Shangri-La: A True Story of Survival, Adventure and the Most Incredible Rescue Mission of World War 2 by Mitchell Zuckoff
If you are looking for other interesting books about China, do check out the China Books Review section of the Asia Society webpage at https://chinabooksreview.com/
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Rise of the Robots
2025/12/09
"If I was the U.S., I would be terrified."
We report from a 1,500+ robot convention in Beijing, and an American robotics expert who's toured China's factories reveals how China is winning the robot race. From assembly lines to hospital wards, humanoid robots are everywhere—and America is falling behind.
Guest: Alberto Moel, Robotics Scientist, Professor of Practice in Finance at the University of Hong Kong
Book Recommendations:
I, Robot by Isaac Asimov
The Fourth Age by Byron Reese
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The Xi Factor
2025/12/02
Jake Sullivan has sat across from Xi Jinping more times than almost any American official—from Xi's rise in 2013 to their last face-off in Beijing. What's it like negotiating with the world's most powerful dictator? Sullivan reveals Xi's ego, tactics, and how a relationship that started with cautious optimism turned into open hostility.
Guest: Jake Sullivan, Former U.S. National Security Adviser for President Biden and the host of The Long Game, a new podcast from Vox Media.
Book Recommendations:
The Party’s Interests Come First: The Life of Xi Zhongxun, Father of Xi Jinping by Joseph Torigian.
Apple in China by Patrick McGee.
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China's Arms Race
2025/11/25
China is outbuilding America's navy and beating us in hypersonic missiles. Xi has purged corrupt generals to create a military machine loyal only to him. Can China's forces actually win a war? We break down the PLA's transformation from paper tiger to potential superpower.
Guest: Zhou Bo, Retired Senior Colonel in the People’s Liberation Army (https://ciss.tsinghua.edu.cn/info/CFExperts/1212)
Book Recommendations:
Should The World Fear China by Zhou Bo
China’s Quest for Military Supremacy by Joel Wuthnow and Phillip Saunders
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Generation Burnout
2025/11/18
China's youth were supposed to lead the nation to glory. Instead, they're lying flat, embracing "garbage time," and quietly rebelling against a system that promised everything and delivered economic stagnation. In this episode of Face-Off - our first of Season 3 (!) - we get inside the psychology of China's disillusioned generation.
Guest: Chang Che, Chinese-American Writer (https://changnche.com/)
Book Recommendations:
Sparks: China’s Underground Historians and their Battle for the Future by Ian Johnson
Other Rivers: A Chinese Education by Peter Hessler
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Season 3 Trailer
2025/11/04
In our third season of Face-Off: The US vs China, we’ll explore some of the biggest issues dividing these global powers today: Trump and Xi Jinping, AI, China’s growing military might, and also… robots.
Season 3 of Face-Off: US vs China begins Tuesday, November 18th. Join us.
Face-Off is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions.
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THE GREATER WAGER EPISODE 5: The Break-Up
2025/10/28
THE GREAT WAGER Episode 5. The break-up: Richard Nixon’s great wager reverberates from the '70s to today
While we’re preparing season 3 of Face Off, we’re excited to present an encore presentation of The Great Wager, a five-part series about Richard Nixon’s top-secret plan to go to China, befriend China, and change the balance of power in the Cold War.
This is the series finale: Episode 5.
All of a sudden, it’s less clear if Nixon’s wager is paying off. After years of collaboration and mutual economic benefit, relations between China and the U.S. are at a low point. What does the start of this important relationship reveal about its next chapter?
The Great Wager was produced in 2022 with Here & Now and WBUR Podcasts. This special presentation of The Great Wager is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions. Rowhome’s Creative Director is Alex Lewis. John Myers is Rowhome’s Executive Producer. Face Off is a proud member of the Airwave podcast network.
Book Recommendations:
Nixon and Mao: The Week that Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan. An insider look at how Nixon and Kissinger operated in Beijing.
Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People's Republic by Mike Chinoy. Chapter 4: How American reporters, who knew little about China, covered the presidential trip
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THE GREAT WAGER EPISODE 4: Shared Secrets
2025/10/21
THE GREAT WAGER Episode 4. Shared secrets: How The U.S. and China worked together to spy on the Soviet Union
While we’re preparing season 3 of Face Off, we’re excited to present an encore presentation of The Great Wager, a five-part series about Richard Nixon’s top-secret plan to go to China, befriend China, and change the balance of power in the Cold War.
This is Episode 4.
The relationship between China and the U.S. is off and running — and now the two countries are collaborating on secret, sensitive intelligence. This installment of The Great Wager includes exclusive information about how Chinese and American intelligence officials agreed to work together against their common rival of many years.
The Great Wager was produced in 2022 with Here & Now and WBUR Podcasts. This special presentation of The Great Wager is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions. Rowhome’s Creative Director is Alex Lewis. John Myers is Rowhome’s Executive Producer. Face Off is a proud member of the Airwave podcast network.
Book Recommendations:
Nixon and Mao: The Week that Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan. An insider look at how Nixon and Kissinger operated in Beijing.
Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People's Republic by Mike Chinoy. Chapter 4: How American reporters, who knew little about China, covered the presidential trip
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THE GREAT WAGER EPISODE 3: When Nixon Met Mao
2025/10/14
THE GREAT WAGER Episode 3. Grip and grin: When Nixon met Mao
While we’re preparing season 3 of Face Off, we’re excited to present an encore presentation of The Great Wager, a five-part series about Richard Nixon’s top-secret plan to go to China, befriend China, and change the balance of power in the Cold War.
This is Episode 3.
The news of Nixon’s trip to China is public, and he’s getting credit for pulling off such a historic event. Now, he and his advisers have to work with the Chinese to forge a relationship between two very different countries.
The Great Wager was produced in 2022 with Here & Now and WBUR Podcasts. This special presentation of The Great Wager is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions. Rowhome’s Creative Director is Alex Lewis. John Myers is Rowhome’s Executive Producer. Face Off is a proud member of the Airwave podcast network.
Book Recommendations:
Nixon and Mao: The Week that Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan. An insider look at how Nixon and Kissinger operated in Beijing.
Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People's Republic by Mike Chinoy. Chapter 4: How American reporters, who knew little about China, covered the presidential trip
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THE GREAT WAGER EPISODE 2: Plots & Private Planes
2025/10/07
THE GREAT WAGER Episode 2: Plots and private planes: How Henry Kissinger pulled off a secret trip to China
While we’re preparing season 3 of Face Off, we’re excited to present an encore presentation of The Great Wager, a five-part series about Richard Nixon’s top-secret plan to go to China, befriend China, and change the balance of power in the Cold War.
This is Episode 2.
Nixon and his national security adviser Henry Kissinger make contact with China. But in the midst of the Cold War, they don’t want anyone to know. How will Kissinger get to Beijing without alerting anyone — and what’s Frank Sinatra got to do with it?
The Great Wager was produced in 2022 with Here & Now and WBUR Podcasts. This special presentation of The Great Wager is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions. Rowhome’s Creative Director is Alex Lewis. John Myers is Rowhome’s Executive Producer. Face Off is a proud member of the Airwave podcast network.
Book Recommendations:
Nixon and Mao: The Week that Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan. An insider look at how Nixon and Kissinger operated in Beijing.
Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People's Republic by Mike Chinoy. Chapter 4: How American reporters, who knew little about China, covered the presidential trip
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THE GREAT WAGER EPISODE 1: Richard Nixon's "Crazy" Idea
2025/10/01
THE GREAT WAGER EPISODE 1: Richard Nixon's 'crazy' idea: Make befriending the Chinese Communist Party his legacy
With money, power and political standing at stake, America’s relationship with China is tenuous. But it wasn’t always that way.
The Great Wager is a five-part series that tells the story of the extraordinary encounter between Richard Nixon and Mao Zedong in 1972 that brought these two countries together, the secret collaborations born from that meeting — and the reverberations we’re still feeling today. We’re thrilled to be re-airing this series, while we’re busily preparing season 3 of Face Off behind the scenes.
This is episode 1.
President Richard Nixon has a plan: He wants to go to China. The only problem? The U.S. and China have had zero contact since the Communist Party took over China more than two decades before. The Great Wager host Jane Perlez digs into the beginning of Nixon’s improbable diplomatic mission.
The Great Wager was produced in 2022 with Here & Now and WBUR Podcasts. This special presentation of The Great Wager is produced in partnership with Rowhome Productions. Rowhome’s Creative Director is Alex Lewis. John Myers is Rowhome’s Executive Producer. Face Off is a proud member of the Airwave podcast network.
Book Recommendations:
Nixon and Mao: The Week that Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan. An insider look at how Nixon and Kissinger operated in Beijing.
Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People's Republic by Mike Chinoy. Chapter 4: How American reporters, who knew little about China, covered the presidential trip
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Criss-Crossing China
2025/05/20
In this bonus episode of Face-Off Jane speaks with former ambassador to China, Nicholas Burns. They discuss Ambassador Burns’ encounters with the Chinese leader Xi Jinping, his meetings with American CEOs, and his travels to remote places in China.
BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS:
To Change China, by Jonathan D. Spence
The Private Life of Chairman Mao, by Zhi-Sui Li
Chip Wars, by Chris Miller
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Podcast reviews
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lrhhrl 2026/01/14
Binge it!
I am flying through this show. Some episodes are better than others but every one has a nugget of new insight. She is honest and forthright. That styl...
HollandOats 2025/12/10
Informative and relatable
I loved the episode on generational burnout - I learned so much about another culture, its similarities with millennials in the US and the universal p...
Htylvr 2026/01/14
Jane Perez is so Biased it’s Laughable
When Jane interviewed Da Wei you could tell she was dying for him to trash Trump for gutting Voice of America and Radio Free Asia, and for shutting do...
Showbiz fan15 2025/12/04
Much more than I ever considered
This is a great show on a topic I hadn’t actively sought out info on beforehand. Thank you!!
too hot^_^ 2025/11/26
Looking forward to the next episodes
Listened to the first two episodes of Season 3 of Face Off as soon as they came out - Jane is great! Sharp, bold, and tackling important questions as ...
my pass disappeared! 2025/11/29
Face Off
Excellent series and best insight on what we need to know about China today.
ialec86 2025/11/25
informative and insightful
Great podcast for both beginners to China and those who follow the subject closely, Jane and Rana are the dream team
rtdb42 2025/11/24
For the curious
Fascinating parallels between Gen Z in US and China; Xi v Trump. Listen, learn, enjoy.
CAGScipio 2025/11/22
Outstanding
Face Off is an outstanding podcast, and the hosts, Jane Perlez and Rana Mitter, are the reason why. Jane, a veteran China hand brings unparalleled in...
Bamboosprout 2025/05/23
Mao to Xi Episode
I’ve followed this podcast for over a year now. I had to leave a review after listening to this episode with a group of peers from developing countrie...
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