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Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast — and this is a big one. Season 5 finale. A retrospective on nearly three years of conversations. And the announcement that this is Kaleb Wilcox's final episode as co-host of the show. For 59 episodes and five seasons, Caleb (with a C) and Kaleb (with a K) have sat across this table from over 50 guests, worked out on-air relationships without a roadmap, and beat the odds on the stat that only 13% of podcasts make it past 50 episodes. This week, they close the season the way they started it: shooting the breeze, telling stories, and making it up as they go. They dig into the guests, moments, and behind-the-scenes stories that shaped the show — from the Bryce Vaughn "Best Bass Tone on Earth" episode (still the most-listened-to of all time) to the Liquid Death bit with Brian Taylor (most-viewed clip), to the one guest they had to pull entirely from the feed (and later brought back). Plus: which guest has been on the pod the most (surprise — it's a heart guy, not a tech guy), how the format evolved into something neither of them planned, and why in-person recording was worth every logistical headache over Zoom. Then Kaleb shares the news — he's moving into a new professional chapter and won't be able to co-host going forward. Which means Caleb is going to continue leading the podcast with rotating co-hosts joining the table starting late September / early October. They talk about: 🎉 Season 5 finale + the "we made it past 50" milestone 📊 The all-time numbers: 59 episodes, 50 guests, 9 solo shows, launched April 29, 2024 🎸 Bryce Vaughn: the best-performing episode of all time ("The Best Bass Tone on Earth") 💧 Liquid Death: the clip that beat every other viral moment 🎬 The one episode that never made it to air (and why Toby came back anyway) 🔥 Which senior-pastor take blew up the comment section 🧠 Mike Goldsworthy: the accidental "resident therapist" of the show 🕊 Andy Crispin, Nick Benoit, Tony — the personal favorites 🌎 The furthest a guest ever flew in (San Diego → this table) 🎤 Why in-person recording ALWAYS wins over Zoom 👋 Kaleb's farewell + what's next for the pod 🆕 "A new normal" — how Caleb's dad's phrase reframes this whole moment 🎯 What Season 6 could look like with rotating co-hosts 🎨 Caleb's daughter wants to be an entrepreneur ("I'm gonna fail, but I'm gonna learn a lot") 🎸 The unreleased album from Kaleb's old emo band "Crime Scene After Party" (later "Running With Gnomes" — you can look them up, it's tragic) 💸 The $10 sitting in a locked TuneCore account that nobody can access This episode is for the day-one listener who's been here since Ep 1, for the guest who wondered if their conversation mattered (it did), and for anyone in ministry, business, or creative work sitting on an idea they're not sure about — because the whole show started as two guys hitting record with no roadmap and no clue where it would go. Because Sunday's always coming — and now, more than ever, we're all in this together. What's Next📅 The Sunday's Coming Podcast returns late September / early October with new co-hosts rotating alongside Caleb\📬 Guest ideas? Co-host ideas? Send them our way Send Kaleb Off📱 Find Kaleb on Instagram / LinkedIn — send him love, thanks, and your favorite Kaleb-ism from the last three years Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Shane Nixon — Nashville-based (well, Gallatin — Nashville is a "region") longtime Amplio team member, head of the box sales / gear side of the business, and the legendary bartender behind Amplio's 2021 prohibition-donut speakeasy at FILO.Shane walks us through his story: starting out as a 12-year-old bass player who wanted to be in POD and Skillet, becoming Audio Director at Metro City Church in Detroit right out of high school, following his wife to Chicago for her master's at Loyola, doing a brief unfulfilling stint as a recruiter, and being introduced to Jeff VanderGiessen through his small group after asking them to pray for what was next. Fifteen employees later, he'd land at Amplio (in 2015) — with no clear seat on the bus, just the right person for the room.Plus: Producer DJ makes his podcast debut running a wild round of "Church, Bank, Bar, or Dispensary?" — the guys have to guess what "Rise," "The Vault," "Sanctuary," "Current," "Cornerstone," and "Communion" actually are (spoiler: they were surprisingly good at spotting dispensaries).Along the way: the story of the 8x12 trailer Amplio turned into a full 1920s speakeasy at FILO 2021 to smuggle donuts past Willow's COVID food ban, the day Shane had to extract a stuck in-ear bud from a bass player's ear canal with needle-nose pliers, why every church needs a Jodi Vac, and a defense of the "right person, wrong seat" hiring philosophy that runs deep in Amplio's DNA.They talk about: 🍩 The Prohibition Donuts caper — inside the FILO 2021 speakeasy trailer 🚪 "This trailer does not contain donuts" — the greatest cover story in Amplio history 🎸 Being 12, playing bass, and wanting to be POD or Thousand Foot Krutch 🎚 Getting handed the console at Metro South before you were ready for it (and why that's the model) 🙏 The small group prayer that turned into a career at Amplio 🚌 "Right person, wrong seat" — why the best hires start without a defined role 🍔 The Cheeseburger / Gripple problem — knowing a solution exists but not knowing what to Google 📕 The Rose Brand catalog that changed the way Shane saw production forever 🎤 Why monitoring is the hardest technical AND relational problem in portable church 🎧 The Jodi Vac — and the drummer whose in-ear bud got stuck WAY too deep 👕 The Deep V-Neck Worship Pastor era (is it coming back?) 🎸 The seven-string bass player who forgot his bass 💥 The blown SB850 subs Shane got called about while in Bogotá, Colombia 📱 Church, Bank, Bar, or Dispensary? — Producer DJ's podcast debutThis episode is for anyone who's ever been thrown behind a console before they were ready, learned to Google "cheeseburger" instead of "cable clip," lived through a Christmas Eve monitor mix meltdown, or wondered if that guy on the New Life Worship album cover really was using stock Apple earbuds as his in-ears (he was).Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Shane & Amplio Box Sales📱 @shanemixinnixon on Instagram 📧 [email protected] — the fastest way to reach himExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]🎮 DM us game ideas for Producer DJ to run next time⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Sheldon Andrus — Cleveland-based church consultant, former Executive Pastor of Experience at Union Church (where he watched attendance grow from 1,200 to 15,000+ in four years), and the author of the new book Sunday by Design: The System Behind Growing Churches.Sheldon walks us through a journey that starts with hitting record on a cassette deck as a 13-year-old in a Pentecostal megachurch, includes 13 years in marketing and advertising while serving the church "five to nine," and lands in the front row of what he calls his "PhD in leadership" — helping steward what the Outreach Magazine list named the fastest growing church in America in 2024.Now he consults with churches across the country, doing what he calls a "church audit" — arriving before call time, watching how volunteer teams interact, listening to what the worship leader says to the MD, and holding up a mirror to what most pastors never actually see about their own culture.Along the way, he drops hot takes he says he'll die on: services shouldn't run more than 90 minutes, worship shouldn't run more than 24, your church has two cultures (the one on the wall and the one you refuse to correct), and the entire New Testament is basically an argument for having a clear avatar.They talk about: ⏱ "I'll die on this hill" — the 90-minute service rule (and the 24-minute worship rule) 🚪 The six-door house analogy that explains why your next steps aren't landing 🍓 The jam study — why too much choice creates paralysis in church too 🎯 "60% of the New Testament is absolutely avatar" — Paul, Saddleback Sam, and the case for specificity 🏛 "Sundays can't be everything — they have to be specific things" 🔥 Union Church: 1,200 to 15,000 in 4 years (and what actually drove it) 📖 The book thesis: design Sunday, Monday through Saturday 🎧 What a sound check tells you about the health of a whole music ministry 🧠 "The culture of your church is what happens when the leader's not in the room" 🧱 The two cultures every church has — the one on the wall and the one you refuse to correct 🥊 "Don't do Aaron. Be Joseph." — pushing back against complaints with a way forward 🎠 The Disney chef analogy — Sunday should feel natural, not scripted 🗣 Why you have to say your next step 4–6 times in a single service 📉 The "who cares" test — a Stephen Chandler question that changes everything 🌊 Why he thinks the American church is in a revival right now — and what "radical simplicity" has to do with it.This episode is for the executive pastor stuck babysitting the worship team, the senior pastor who's stopped confronting the culture, the church planter drowning in too much programming, and anyone building a Sunday experience that should feel encountered — not endured.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Sheldon📱 @sjandrus on Instagram📕 Sunday by Design: The System Behind Growing Churches — pre-order at sundaybydesign.comExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Cameron Henderson — pastor, teacher, and creative force behind the Rockford Empowerment Center, an outreach ministry serving the 13th Ward on Rockford's west side. It's the kind of ministry you can't Instagram, can't build a strategy deck around, and can't reproduce with a bigger LED wall.Cam walks us through his story: five years of unpaid ministry through college (working for Youth for Christ to pay for college so he could keep doing ministry), building a Middle School YouTube series called "Surviving the Apocalypse" during COVID, launching young adult services in abandoned buildings around Rockford, and then getting handed the keys to something completely different — a pop-up, tear-down church for kids and families in one of Rockford's most under-resourced neighborhoods.Along the way, he gets brutally honest about what happens when you try to copy-paste megachurch DNA into a community that doesn't have the budget for it, why he cried over an LED wall he couldn't afford to buy for a summer camp, the day one person showed up to a service and his mom told him "you better preach that word," and the wife-wisdom that reframed his whole leadership: "Cameron — embrace the gift of limits."This episode is for the youth pastor without a budget, the church planter tired of the growth-hacking playbook, the leader who's been told to build for scale before they've stewarded what's in front of them — and anyone doing quiet, unmeasurable, world-changing work in the corner of the map nobody's watching.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Cameron & the Empowerment Center📱 @c.giles.h on Instagram 🌐 cameronghenderson.com 📍 Rockford, IL — 13th Ward / west side☕ Or just show up at a coffee shop on the west side and ask for CamExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Mike Orta — co-pastor (with his wife Tiff) of City House Church in downtown Milwaukee, former helicopter-factory worker turned 24-year-old lead pastor of a 100-year-old Presbyterian church, and one of the most refreshingly honest church planters we've had on the show.Mike walks us through a journey that reads like fiction: at 24, filling the pulpit of a small-town Presbyterian church that grew from 20 to 140 in a village of 1,000 people. Sitting bedside with an 80-year-old WWII vet named Don as he decided whether to take his wife off life support. Getting furloughed with pay from a real-estate job the very month COVID hit ("COVID was my fault"), which gave him the runway to raise $175,000 to plant a church while national church giving was down 73%. Living with his pastor's family for three years — six people in one house, his whole family in one bedroom, kids on a bunk bed — while serving as the setup-and-tear-down guy for a church plant in Orange County.And then, the philosophy that emerged from all of it: dropping his church-planting networks because their "booster rocket" metaphor for launch teams didn't sit right, refusing to build a brand, and insisting that people ARE the mission — not a means to grow one.They talk about: 🏚 Pastoring a toxic Presbyterian church at 24 (and growing it 7x) 🏥 The hospital moment that reframed what ministry is really about 🍪 Baking cookies while everyone else made COVID contingency plans 🛏 Six people, one house, three years — and one bedroom for a family of four 🗺 Choosing Milwaukee with a dollar-store map and a prayer 🛍 The TJ Maxx security guard moment God used to say "here" 💸 Raising $175K during COVID when U.S. giving was down 73% 🚀 Why he refuses the "booster rocket" model of church planting 🙏 "You can't get a miracle without putting yourself in a position to need one" 💰 Tithing weekly from the church back INTO the church 📜 The dream of one day writing to City House Church like Paul wrote to EphesusThis episode is for the church planter tired of the playbook, the pastor drowning in the tension between the auditorium and the hospital room, and anyone who needs a reminder that the mission was never numbers — it was always people.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Mike & City House Church🏛 cityhouse.church📱 @cityhousechurch on Instagram👤 @michaelorta on Instagram 📍 123 E State St — downtown MilwaukeeExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Andrew Lennon — lead pastor of Breakthrough Church in Lynchburg, VA, former missionary kid, recovering pre-med student, and one of the more refreshingly honest church planters we've had on the show.Andrew walks us through his unlikely journey: born in the Philippines to missionary parents, landing in Lynchburg when his dad took a job at Liberty, pursuing exercise science to become a physical therapist — and then having a bedroom encounter with the Holy Spirit that flipped the entire trajectory of his life. What started as a Presbyterian kid weeping alone in his room turned into a prayer meeting, then a house church (before house church was "a flex"), then a full-fledged church plant pulling homeless folks off Craigslist and watching the book of Acts come to life.Along the way, he gets candid about the moment God rebuked him for praying that his own church would SHRINK, the realization that his definition of "successful ministry" was just "looking like successful ministry," and why he intentionally cut a day of sermon prep so he could actually smell like his sheep.They talk about: 🛏 The bedroom encounter that rewrote his life 🏠 Accidentally planting a church (no funding, no network, no playbook) ✋ "Clean hands and a pure heart" as the only metric that matters 📉 Praying for God to shrink the church — and getting rebuked for it 🐑 Why a shepherd should smell like the sheep (and what he gave up to do it) 🪞 "Looking like a successful church" vs. looking like Jesus 🎨 Why Gen Z doesn't care about your polish — they crave authenticity 🌧 Building the ark before the rain comes 🎭 Creativity isn't just for designers — every role can be reinvented 🏙 What ministry looks like in an OVER-churched city.This episode is for the leader stuck following someone else's church-planting playbook, the creative who's been told to stay in the brand-guide box, and anyone who's ever felt like the "right" path forward wasn't actually the one God was breathing on.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Andrew📱 @saint.lennon on Instagram⛪ @breakthrough.church🎙 The Breakthrough Podcast — sermons + conversations🌐 breakthrough.churchExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Serge — worship pastor of 20+ years, dad of four, and one of those leaders whose journey will sound familiar to anyone who's wrestled with the question, "Am I supposed to keep doing this?"Serge takes us through his story: immigrating from Russia at age five, growing up as the son of a choir director, becoming a worship pastor at 24 at Bayside Church, twelve years of building there, then selling the house and uprooting his family to San Diego for an executive role at Skyline Church during COVID — and most recently, the vulnerable return to Sacramento to help launch a smaller campus in the foothills of Auburn.Along the way, he unpacks what it actually looks like to lead healthy creative teams, how he discovered volunteers who hadn't taken a vacation in eight years (and what he did about it on day one), and why he believes his real job as a worship pastor isn't musical at all — it's being a "gatekeeper of purity" for the people his church is being asked to follow.They talk about: 🛡 The "gatekeeper of purity" calling that's bigger than music 🌴 Volunteers who hadn't taken vacation in 8 years — and what changed ⚙️ The 80/20 rule for ministry systems (systematize 80%, stay unique in 20%) 💸 "Make deposits before you ask withdrawals" — wisdom from Dennis Choi 🧹 Why vacuuming a drum kit can shift a whole team's culture 🗣 Spoon-feeding vision without throwing leadership under the bus 📆 Why worship pastors should say "we start worship on Monday" 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Not standing in the way between your kids and the church 🎯 Focusing on what only YOU can do — and letting go of everything else 💬 "What did you hear me say?" — the communication loop that changes marriages and teamsThis episode is for the worship pastor driving home thinking I want to quit, the executive leader who's lost the plot on margin, and anyone in ministry who needs a reminder that healthy rhythms don't shrink your team — they grow it.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Serge🌐 worshipos.co — take the 5-minute leadership assessment📱 Find him on Instagram & Facebook (Serge Moskalets)⛰ Currently at Bayside Church, Auburn campusExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Jonny and Matt — better known as the duo behind Worship Sound Guy — for a conversation about what started as a Twitter meme account in a church auditorium and has somehow turned into a 10-year movement helping church sound guys around the world feel a whole lot less alone. Johnny (Tech Director at Stone Creek Church for 15 years) and Matt (Creative Director at Northland Church in Atlanta) share their stories of getting roped into church production "just twist this knob and don't touch anything else," the wild moment they realized at a Starbucks they were both about to launch the same thing, and what's surprised them most about a decade of teaching people how to mix — namely, that the technical questions were never really the point. They get honest about the loneliness of the lone ranger tech, how to build a volunteer culture people actually want to join, and the slow, painful, beautiful work of giving away the systems you built. Plus a sidechain compression trick that'll probably change your livestream mix forever. They talk about: 🎚 From meme account to Worship Sound Guy Central — 10 years in 🤝 Why so many church techs feel isolated (and what actually helps) 🎉 The "bringing drinks to the party" analogy that reframes Sunday morning 🙋 Inviting friends to serve vs. cold lobby asks 🎬 Letting someone else mix in your room without losing your mind 🎯 Defining the sandbox so volunteers can win 🥁 Why the snare drum might be the most important fader in worship 🎛 The sidechain comp trick for livestream room mics 🏆 Mix Comp Dallas — May 21st at The Hills Church This episode is for the lone-ranger tech who's been holding it together by themselves for too long, the production director learning to delegate, and anyone who's ever wondered if there's a whole community of people who actually get what you do on a Sunday morning. Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together. Connect with Worship Sound Guy🎧 @worshipsoundguy on Instagram & YouTube🌐 worshipsoundguy.com — courses, templates, presets, and the Central community👥 Team subscriptions now available Mix Comp Dallas📅 Thursday, May 21st at The Hills Church (North Richland Hills campus)🎟 Free — register at ampliosystems.com/events Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Jon Rush — former Elevation Church pastor, founder of Scroll Company, and one of the most thought-provoking voices on church, creativity, and culture — for a conversation that goes places we did not see coming.Jon walks us through his unlikely path into ministry (think: Methodist youth group makeouts, Toronto Outpouring revivals, and an Arcade Fire video that changed everything), his years on staff at Elevation, and what it looks like now to live in Franklin, TN serving a 200-person church that intentionally doesn't market itself. Along the way, he shares some sharp — and refreshingly honest — perspective on social media, church creativity, the LED screen debates, and why so much "successful" church content is actually just impressing other Christians.This one wrestles with what it actually means to reach your city, why production matters, and how to build something transcendent on Sunday in a culture that's overwhelmed every other day of the week.They talk about: 📱 Why social media might be hurting church creativity more than helping it 🏙 Reaching your city vs. impressing the algorithm 🎬 The "Arcade Fire video" that made the gospel land for a high school girl ✝️ A theology of LED screens, stained glass, and ancient-future worship 🕊 Why Sunday should create a "sanctuary for the soul" 🤝 Growing at the speed of relationship 🎙 Why the next Mr. Beast might be sitting in your church — and what to do about it 👂 The lost art of listening in church leadershipThis episode is for pastors, creatives, production leaders, and anyone wondering how to steward the tools we have without losing sight of the people right in front of us.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Jon🌐 jonwrush.com📱 @jonwrush on socials🏢 Scroll Company — social-first marketing agencyExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Toby Walters — founder of Church Gear and now a published author — for a wide-ranging conversation about church production, why it actually matters, and the stories he gathered while writing his new book.Recorded live during FILO Week, Toby shares the wild story of growing up next door to a meth lab (yes, really), his unlikely path from worship artist to running a national church gear company, and what he learned visiting some of the most influential churches in America. From Red Rocks doing huge things with a piecemeal PA to The Austin Stone broadcasting six campuses through a single PTZ camera, Toby makes the case that gear isn't the problem — and it's rarely the solution either.They unpack what a biblical theology of production actually looks like (hint: it goes way back further than Willow Creek), why production is the new front door of the church, and how to build a career — and a community — that lasts.They talk about: 📖 The theology of production from the Tabernacle to Jericho 🚪 Why production is the "new front door" of the church 🎚 Doing more with less — lessons from Red Rocks & The Austin Stone 🤝 Building local networks with other church tech leaders 💸 Church production salaries, burnout, and career paths 🎤 Distraction-free environments vs. the attraction model 📚 Stories, surprises, and lessons from writing the bookThis episode is for anyone behind a console, in a booth, or running cable on a Sunday morning — and for the pastors and leaders who get to champion them.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Grab Toby's Book📕 Available at tobywalters.com, Amazon (print, Kindle, audio), and wherever books are sold🎧 Check out Toby's show: The Church Gear Podcast🛒 Buying or selling production gear? churchgear.comExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to The Sunday's Coming Podcast! After a few months off, Caleb and Kaleb are kicking off Season 5 with a casual catch-up episode all about what really happens when you take your team out of their normal Sunday rhythm.From trade show memories to mission trip vibes, the guys talk about how stepping outside the day-to-day can compress six months of relationship building into a single week — and why that matters so much for staff and volunteers. They share lessons learned from years of attending Philo, InfoComm, NAB, and more, plus practical tips on debriefing events, taking notes, and building a team culture of intentional reflection.They also break down all the upcoming events on the calendar — and trust us, there are a lot.In this episode: 🎟 Why trade shows are about people more than tech 📝 Building a habit of contemporaneous notes & post-event debriefs 🎚 The Dallas Mix Competition and how Adam Skidmore's idea grew into a national event 🎤 What to expect at Philo Conference + the Amplio Lounge after-party ⛳️ The Worship Classic golf tournament + Salt Conference in Dallas 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising tiny escape artists, United Wrapped, and other tangents.Whether you're a production leader, worship pastor, or volunteer, this one is full of encouragement to be intentional with your team — and a heads-up on where to find us in person this year.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: [email protected]🎟 Check out upcoming events: ampliosystems.com/events⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Laz for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about ministry, burnout, and finding your way back when everything feels broken.Laz shares his journey from touring in metal bands, stepping into church production with zero experience, rising into leadership at Soul City Church — and then walking away from ministry not once, but twice. They unpack what led to burnout, how unspoken expectations and self-pressure can quietly destroy your health, and why sometimes leaving is the only way to truly heal.They talk about:🔥 Church burnout and the cost of never asking for help🧠 Mental health, therapy, and breaking ministry stigma👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising kids while serving in church leadership🎛 Growing from volunteer to Technical Director❤️ What brought Laz back to ministry — with a healthier heartThis episode is for anyone who’s ever thought, “I can’t do this anymore” — and wondered if there’s still a future for them in the Church.Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠[email protected]⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Laz for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about ministry, burnout, and finding your way back when everything feels broken.Laz shares his journey from touring in metal bands, stepping into church production with zero experience, rising into leadership at Soul City Church — and then walking away from ministry not once, but twice. They unpack what led to burnout, how unspoken expectations and self-pressure can quietly destroy your health, and why sometimes leaving is the only way to truly heal.They talk about:🔥 Church burnout and the cost of never asking for help🧠 Mental health, therapy, and breaking ministry stigma👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising kids while serving in church leadership🎛 Growing from volunteer to Technical Director❤️ What brought Laz back to ministry — with a healthier heartThis episode is for anyone who’s ever thought, “I can’t do this anymore” — and wondered if there’s still a future for them in the Church.Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠[email protected]⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb & Kaleb sit down with Danielle Iselin, Global Production Director at VIVE Church — a rapidly growing multi-campus church with locations across the U.S., Europe, and the Middle East. Danielle leads production for 15 campuses around the world — almost entirely volunteer-run.She shares her journey from growing up in Australia and studying forensic investigation to running production systems that support international campuses. This conversation dives deep into leadership, culture, and scaling creative ministry in one of the world’s most innovative church environments.They talk about:🌍 What it takes to lead production across multiple countries.🎚 How to train volunteers effectively (even online).💡 The systems that make scaling sustainable.❤️ Building culture between worship and production teams.👩‍💻 Being a woman in church tech — and why representation matters.If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by the demands of ministry or wondered how to multiply what’s in your hands, this episode will remind you that the solution might already be sitting in front of you.Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠[email protected]⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb & Kaleb sit down with Stephen Brewster — creative leader, coach, and founder of The Harmony Group — to talk about burnout, leadership, and rebuilding your life when ministry nearly breaks you. Stephen’s story takes him from the music industry to Cross Point Church, through burnout and anxiety, and into a new calling helping churches write and release music that actually serves their people. It’s a powerful conversation about leadership, identity, and the cost of creativity in the church world. They talk about:🔥 What burnout really feels like (and how to see it coming).🧭 Why boundaries and expectations save your ministry and your family.💡 How to rebuild when everything falls apart.🎵 The truth about church worship projects — and when not to make one.❤️ Why calling isn’t about what you do, it’s about who you are. Whether you’re a pastor, creative, or volunteer, this episode is for anyone who’s ever wondered, “Can I really keep doing this?” Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together. Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠[email protected]⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!