Welcome to the corner of real grace for your real life. Join Jennifer Sakata and special guests to navigate forgiveness, belonging, and empowerment as faithful expressions of God’s generous grace.
But what is God’s grace? What is it not? What does grace look and sound like amid a busy and full-plated life? Through stories, authentic conversations, and biblical teaching, Jennifer helps bridge the gap between what we think about grace and how we live through it. Each episode helps shift our understanding of grace from a Sunday morning concept to an everyday lived experience. God’s grace is that forward movement that restores connection and rebuilds relationships.
Living the Grace Life is a solo and interview podcast committed to transformation, helping you replace the overwhelm of doing more and living less with a slower pace that nurtures God’s real grace in your real life.
Grace for you. Grace for them.
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Struggling to Pray? Don't Try to Pray Like Her with Shellie Tomlinson | Ep. 94
2026/09/29
Do you ever find yourself struggling to pray? Or compare yourself to that friend for whom prayer seems to come effortlessly? If God wants me to pray—and I want to pray—why is prayer so hard?
What if struggling to pray doesn't mean you're doing something wrong? Shellie Tomlinson, author of Don't Try to Pray Like Her, invites you to experience prayer, not as a formula to master, but as time spent with a God who actually wants to be with you.
In this episode, we talk about:
Shellie's journey from struggling to pray to loving prayer
Two ordinary analogies for prayer that lead to actually praying
How to respond to unanswered prayer
The church's sad secret—and the hiding it can lead to
Prayer as an inheritance for those who pursue life through Jesus
The surprising impact Shellie's book has had on men
Through her desperation, Shellie learned to embrace prayer. Through her words and this conversation, she invites you to do likewise.
Because prayer isn't about getting the words right or unlocking some secret pathway. It's about spending time with God, who wants to spend time with you.
💬 Grace Quotes:
"God always loves first."
"It's not my desire for God that transforms me. It is being in His actual presence that's transformative and prayer takes us there."
"Our inheritance as children of the Most High is communion with Him."
Scriptures Mentioned:
John 7:37 - An invitation to bring your thirst to Jesus
Ephesians 3:20 - God accomplishes more than you can imagine
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Shellie's book Don't Try to Pray Like Her
🌿 Shellie's FREE resources
🎶 Shellie's Go-to grace song, No One Ever Loved Me Like Jesus by Stephanie Gretzinger
Connect with Shellie Rushing Tomlinson:
Website: BelleofAllThingsSouthern.com
Instagram: @ShellieTomlinson
Facebook: @ShellieRushingTomlinson
Related Episodes:
Ep. 92 Awaken Delight: God is Delicious with Stephanie Rousselle
Ep. 91 Grace and Belonging: Welcome to the Grace of God | Season 3 Opener
Ep. 83 The Pursuit of Holy Leisure with Cara Ray
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Uniquely Made in Newness of Life with Mary Rooney Armand | Ep. 93
2026/09/22
What does it mean to be uniquely made by God—and how might embracing the person He created us to be open the door to newness of life?
Psalm 139 reminds us that we are beautifully and wonderfully made. But sometimes, the life in front of us tells a very different story. We're impatient and tired, overwhelmed and distracted, distant from God, and unsure of where we belong. We may love the idea of belonging, yet still decide that belonging must be somebody else's story.
Author Mary Rooney Armand wants us to see ourselves differently—as beloved, forgiven, and freed children of God. In this conversation about her book Uniquely Made, Mary and Jennifer talk about what it means to receive the identity God has already given us and walk forward in the newness of life Christ offers.
In this episode, we talk about:
Walking in newness of life with Christ
What we need to turn over to embrace our new identity
Strengthening your spiritual C.O.R.E.
What forgiveness is—and what it isn't
The dual impact of forgiveness and unforgiveness
Receiving the welcome of God as His beloved daughter or son
Mary Rooney Armand is one of those people who lights up a room with her Southern smile and genuine welcome. Listen in to discover what it might look like to welcome the identity God has given you as a uniquely made daughter or son of the King.
💬 Uniquely Made Quotes:
"God didn't just use flawed people. He used their stories to build His Kingdom, and that's the nature of grace."
"We are all extended the same cup of grace."
"There's no expiration date on God's grace, forgiveness, and on His ability to use you for His purpose."
Scripture Mentioned:
Romans 6:4 - Walk in newness of life
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Mary's books Uniquely Made + Life Changing Stories
🌿 4 Lessons on Surrender and Grace by Jennifer Sakata
🌿 How to Forgive and Surrender with Mary + Jennifer on YouTube
🎶 Mary's Go-to grace song, The Goodness of God by Cece Winans
Connect with Mary Rooney Armand:
Website: ButterflyLiving.org
Instagram: @ButterflyLiving_
Facebook: @ButterflyLiving2022
Related Episodes:
Ep. 91 Grace and Belonging: Welcome to the Grace of God | Season 3 Opener
Ep. 90 Grace Says You Belong Here with Jennifer Dukes Lee as Host
Ep. 83 The Pursuit of Holy Leisure with Cara Ray
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How to Awaken Delight: God is Delicious with Stephanie Rousselle | Ep. 92
2026/09/15
How do you know a fake from the real thing? Think imitation vanilla versus that luscious flavor scraped straight from the vanilla bean. One is manufactured; the other contains the substance to awaken delight.
What if the same is true of our spiritual lives? What if delight isn't something we produce—but something we receive as we awaken to the goodness and Presence of God?
Stephanie Rousselle is a former atheist who once resolved to live inside the fullness of God's grace for seven days. Thirty years later, she is still proclaiming the life-changing truth she discovered: God is delicious. In her book Awaken Delight, Stephanie invites us to rediscover delight as a gift from God and a way of experiencing His Presence.
She describes delight as "the quiet revolution that reshapes how we endure pain, love others, and understand our own heart." Stephanie invites us to a fresh awakening and a deeper understanding of what it means to "taste and see that God is good."
In our conversation, we explore:
The staggering claims God makes on our lives
The "fake vanillas" we reach for instead of the real thing
How delight and deliciousness invite us to taste and see the goodness of God
Spiritual practices and disciplines as an extension of God's welcome to us
The surprising relationship between pain and delight
How pruning can become an invitation to trust God
If you've ever found yourself exhausted trying to manufacture spiritual feelings or make yourself "better" at faith, this conversation offers a different way. What if delight begins, not with striving, but with receiving? What if God Himself is the deepest joy we've been looking for?
💬 Awaken Delight Quotes:
"God has used the way he has wired us to welcome him."
"There's absolutely nothing you can do for God to make him love you more. And there is nothing you can do for God to make him love you less."
"True happiness is found in delighting in God, not in the fleeting pursuit of happiness our culture endeavors."
Scripture Mentioned:
John 15 - Abide in the Vine
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Awaken Delight 5-Day Devotional
🌿 Awaken Delight book
🎶 Stephanie's Go-to grace song, Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus by Helen Lemmel
Connect with Stephanie Rousselle:
Website: GospelSpice.com
Instagram: @GospelSpiceLife
Facebook: @GospelSpice
Related Episodes:
Ep. 90 Grace Says You Belong Here with Jennifer Dukes Lee as Host
Ep. 67 Awakening to the Spirit of Christmas with Cynthia Ruchti
Ep. 39 God's Steadfast Love in Daily Life with Rachael Adams
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Grace and Belonging: Welcome to the Grace of God | Season 3 Opener
2026/09/08
When have you felt the most welcome?
Not just included or invited, but truly welcomed—that deep-in-your-bones feeling that says, I belong here.
In this Season 3 opener of Living the Grace Life, Jennifer Sakata explores grace and belonging, and what happens when we recognize God's grace as His welcome to us.
Grace and belonging aren't yours because you've earned them or deserved them. They become yours as you receive them from the God who created you in His image.
After two seasons of exploring what it means to live with grace in the middle of real life, Jennifer returns to the heart of the message: grace was never meant to stay a theological idea.
God's grace is meant to do something—to change us, impact us, and transform us in ways we could never manufacture on our own.
And that transformation begins with the welcome of God.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Why God's grace is more than a theological concept
How grace and belonging are deeply connected
What God's welcome reveals about our identity and belonging
How living from God's grace changes the way we live in real life
Season 3 is an invitation to discover grace as the welcome of God—and to explore what changes when we stop striving to earn our place and begin receiving the welcome that God has already extended.
Reflection question:
Where might God be inviting you to stop striving for belonging and simply receive His welcome?
Key Scripture: Genesis 1:27
💬 Grace and Belonging Quotes:
"Grace was never meant to be just a theological idea. Grace is always meant to change us, impact us, and transform us. It all begins with the welcome of God."
"The welcome of God is never forced or manipulated. And it's not put on one moment and removed for less-than-stellar behavior the next."
"God's welcome reminds us that we belong—no matter what."
Related Episodes:
Ep. 90 Grace Says You Belong Here with Jennifer Dukes Lee as Host
Ep. 51 The Grace Thread in Everyday Life with Eric Nevins
Ep. 2 Real Grace for Your Real Life, Sunday to Everyday
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Grace Says You Belong Here with Jennifer Dukes Lee | Ep. 90
2026/09/01
Grace says you belong here. Two years of Living the Grace Life have brought us back to the heart of the message that started it all: God's grace welcomes us, meets us in the hard places, and reminds us that we belong.
What began as a tiny God-whisper in front of a blank canvas eventually made its way to a hot-tub conversation—and then into the launch of Living the Grace Life podcast. Two years and 90 episodes later, we're gathering around the table of God's welcome to celebrate what grace has been teaching us along the way.
In this special two-year anniversary episode, Jennifer Sakata turns the mic over to author, speaker, and friend Jennifer Dukes Lee, who takes on the role of host and asks Jennifer some fun, thoughtful, and deeply personal questions about grace and the journey of Living the Grace Life.
In this episode, we talk about:
If grace were a dessert, what would it be?
When has grace felt more like sandpaper?
What do you most need to remember about grace?
What is your personal morning ritual?
How does grace tuck you in at night, or wake you in the morning?
How has podcasting changed you?
Share a Bible passage that's enlightened your understanding and experience of grace.
Where is Living the Grace Life podcast headed in the next year?
Underneath all the laughter and reflection is this reminder: Grace comes, even in the hard places. It doesn't require holding it all together or having all the right answers. Grace grows in us as we remain connected to the Vine—in the big things and the beautifully ordinary ones.
If you've ever felt like you don't measure up or somehow missed your invitation to the Table, let this anniversary conversation remind you:
You belong here.
And Jennifer Dukes Lee? She's not only a seasoned-through-life author, but also a queso-loving, bright lipstick-wearing, loud-singing harmonizer whose love for Jesus shows up as real grace in real life.
💬 Grace Quotes from Our Conversation:
"God is never stingy with grace."
"Communion is the ultimate place of welcome without words—where we not only see the cost of God's welcome, but also experience freedom because of it."
"Lord, I belong to you. And so do they."
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Go-To Grace Songs Spotify Playlist
🎶 Jennifer's Go-to grace song, Names by Tiffany Hudson
Connect with Jennifer Dukes Lee:
Website: JenniferDukesLee
Instagram: @JenniferDukesLee
Facebook: @JenniferDukesLee
Related Episodes:
Ep. 69 How to Love Your Morning with Jennifer Dukes Lee
Ep. 51 The Grace Thread in Everyday Life with Eric Nevins
Ep. 49 What G.R.A.C.E. Taught Us: Season One Reflections on Real Faith and Healing
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The Art of Vinemaking with Bette Dickinson | Episode 89
2026/08/11
What if surrender isn't the end of your story, but the beginning of something beautiful?
What if the places you feel most emptied are the very places God is preparing to grow the richest fruit? And what if the life you've been longing for isn't found in striving harder, but in the art of abiding?
In this third and final episode of our Summer Book Club: The Grace of Surrender, Jennifer joins author and artist Bette Dickinson in the vineyard to explore what it really means to surrender, abide, and bear fruit.
Drawing from John 15 and Bette's book, The Art of Vinemaking, this conversation challenges our culture's deeply rooted connection of fruitfulness with productivity. Instead, Bette invites us to embrace a vine-over-fruit mindset—one that prioritizes abiding with Jesus over striving to produce.
Together, Jennifer and Bette discuss:
Moving from a productivity-driven approach to a flourishing mindset
Bette's Vine-over-fruit mindset and how it transforms our experience of fruitfulness
How surrender nurtures a rhythm of rest
Lament as an act of surrender
Practical postures and rhythms that help us live surrendered lives
Whether you consider yourself a wine connoisseur or have no interest in swishing reds and pairing food, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on what it means to bear fruit and how God grows something beautiful through the slow, sacred work of surrender.
**This episode is the final conversation in our Summer Book Club series: The Grace of Surrender. If you've joined us for the series, I hope this conversation brings the themes of surrender, abiding, and grace together in a meaningful way that leaves you wondering—not, What fruit am I producing? but rather, Am I abiding in the Vine?
💬 Grace Quotes from Bette Dickinson:
"Our souls were never meant to bear the weight of endless harvest."
"The vinedresser's primary concern isn't fruit - it's flourishing."
"When we abide in the vine, we don't lose ourselves; we become more fully who we were created to be. Our uniqueness isn't erased; it's brought to life."
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Bette's books The Art of Vinemaking
🌿 Bette's FREE Seasons Quiz
🎶 Bette's go-to grace song, Come Tear Down the Walls by Common Hymnal
Connect with Bette Dickinson:
Website: bettedickinson.com
Instagram: @Bette_Dickinson
Facebook: @BetteLDickinson#
Related Episodes:
Ep. 88 How to Live in the Freedom of Surrender with Mary DeMuth
Ep. 87 Don't Have to Hold It All Together with Nichole Suvar
Ep. 47 Embracing Grace, A Summer in the Psalms | Psalm 46
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How to Live in the Freedom of Surrender with Mary DeMuth | Episode 88
2026/07/07
How do we let go when holding on feels safer?
In this second conversation of our Summer Book Club series, Jennifer welcomes bestselling author Mary DeMuth to explore the freedom of surrender—and why surrender isn't about losing yourself but finding deeper healing, hope, and life with God. Together, they unpack how open hands create space for God's grace, Living Water, and lasting transformation.
Drawing from her books, The Freedom of Surrender and Restory Your Life and her own journey of healing from childhood trauma, Mary shares how God has rewritten her story and how He continues to invite each of us into freedom through surrender.
We talk about:
Why surrender is an invitation to freedom—not defeat
Mary's journey through trauma toward healing and restoration
The role of community in God's healing work
How to anchor your identity in Christ instead of your circumstances
Simple spiritual practices that cultivate surrender
The prayer Mary returns to when surrender feels difficult
If you've ever wondered if your story is too broken for God to redeem, this conversation offers a hopeful reminder that his grace meets us in our surrender.
💬 Grace Quotes from Mary DeMuth:
"The Lord uses the way He made you as an avenue for healing."
"An untold story never heals.”
"Lord, I can't. You can. Help.'"
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Mary's books The Freedom of Surrender and Restory Your Life
🌿 Mary's Substack newsletter
🌿 Pray Every Day Podcast
🌿 Practicing the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence
🎶 Mary's go-to grace song, Gratitude by Brandon Lake
Connect with Mary DeMuth:
Website: marydemuth.com
Instagram: @MaryDeMuth
YouTube: @MaryDeMuth
Related Episodes:
Ep. 88 I Don't Have to Hold It All Together with Nichole Suvar
Ep. 60 Healing from Life's Deepest Hurts with Kim Haar
Ep. 45 Embracing Grace, A Summer in the Psalms | Psalm 91
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I Don't Have to Hold It All Together with Nichole Suvar | Ep. 87
2026/06/02
Do you live overwhelmed, rushed, and stretched thin by anxiety? Do you struggle to let things go? What if there's a slower, more grace-filled way? According to author Nichole Suvar, there is. It begins by realizing you don't have to hold it all together.
This episode launches our Summer Book Club mini-series, The Grace of Surrender—three conversations centered on three formational books that invite us into deeper trust, open hands, and God's grace in the places where life feels a little undone.
Nichole shares her personal journey with anxiety, panic attacks, and the habits of control that often masquerade as peace. Together, we explore how surrender impacts both our spiritual lives and our physical well-being.
We talk about:
Nichole's experience with panic attacks—beginning at age eight
The difference between being busy and overwhelmed
How the vagus nerve helps regulate the body's stress response
Practical rhythms that support nervous system regulation
The difference between trying harder and trusting God more deeply
Moving from rigid boundaries to grace-filled living
Surrender isn't about giving up—it's about loosening your grip and learning to trust God when life feels heavy.
If you struggle with letting things go, listen in for real grace, open hands, more grace.
💬 Grace Quotes from Nichole Suvar:
"Controlling my environment felt like it helped quiet the anxiety. But it really just shoved it down further."
"We need to take our overwhelm to the Lord first—even if it's just to say, 'This is too much. I can't hold all of this.”
"God's answer, everytime, is this: 'I never asked you to hold it all together.'"
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Nichole's book I Don't Have to Hold It All Together
🌿 Eden attribute quiz
🌿 Free Gift: Resource for an Intentional Summer
🎶 Nichole's go-to grace song, Be Thou My Vision by Keith and Krysten Getty
Connect with Nichole Suvar:
Website: livewithintent.org
Instagram: @MrsNicholeSuvar
YouTube: @NicholeSuvar
Related Episodes:
Ep. 76 Grace for the Anxious Soul with Becky Keife
Ep. 86 Training in Grace: From Trying to Formation with Kyle Waid
Ep. 49 What GRACE Taught Us: Season One Reflections on Real Faith and Healing
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How to Forgive When Forgiveness Feels Impossible with Johanna Henderson | Ep. 86
2026/05/26
When forgiveness feels impossible, where do you turn? What happens when the people who should have protected you are the ones who caused the deepest wounds?
In this deeply honest conversation, Johanna Henderson shares her story of discovering that she had been abused as a child and the long road God led her on toward healing, identity, and forgiveness. Together, we talk about the complexity of trauma, the weight of unforgiveness, and the grace of a God who restores what feels beyond repair.
A Gentle Note to Listeners
⚠️ This episode includes discussion of physical and sexual abuse. If this is part of your story, please listen at your own pace and with care for yourself. You are not alone.
In our conversation, we explore:
Johanna's discovery of childhood abuse
Why identity in Christ matters in healing
What forgiveness is—and what it is not
The cost of carrying unforgiveness
How God brings redemption and restoration through surrender
If you or someone you know is walking through the difficult process of healing from trauma, this conversation is a reminder that God meets us with compassion, patience, and grace—even when forgiveness feels impossible.
💬 Grace Quotes from Johanna Henderson:
"I had to know how much God loved me before He could take me to the darkness."
"God wants to take you somewhere—not to hurt you, but to bring healing and restoration. To redeem you for His Glory.”
"Sometimes, it's just saying the words: Help me, Lord."
Scriptures Mentioned:
Isaiah 43:2 – God's abiding presence
Luke 8:38-48 – Jesus gives the bleeding woman an identity
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Bessel Van Der Kolk's The Body Keeps the Score
🌿 Journey with Maker quarterly magazine
🎶 Johanna's go-to grace song My Redeemer Lives by Nicole C. Mullen
Connect with Johanna Henderson:
Website: JourneywithMaker
Instagram: @Johanna_journeywithmaker
Facebook: @JourneywithMaker
Related Episodes:
Ep. 35 Where Grace Intersects with Sexual Trauma with Nancy Manassero
Ep. 36 Don't Hoard Your Healing with Nancy Manassero
Ep. 79 He Knows Your Name with Paige Allen
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Training in Grace: From Trying to Formation with Kyle Waid | Ep. 85
2026/05/19
What if spiritual growth isn’t about trying harder—but about training in grace?
In this conversation with Kyle Waid, we explore the difference between effort-driven performance and grace-shaped formation. So often we find ourselves praying the same prayers, repeating the same patterns, and still feeling stuck. Trying harder leaves us frustrated. Grace invites us into a different way.
Kyle Waid, Lead Pastor of New Circle Church in Lexington, KY, joins us to talk about spiritual formation, growth through seasons of change, and what it looks like to “put in the reps” of grace. Using the metaphor of marathon training, we discuss how setbacks, rhythms, inward journeys, and steady practices shape us over time.
In our conversation, we explore:
The difference between trying harder and training for spiritual formation
Why grace is about process, not performance
How to respond to setbacks in growth
Taking the inward journey during seasons of change
Running your own race in faith
Practical rhythms that support training in grace
If you’re weary of striving and longing for sustainable spiritual growth, this conversation offers encouragement and practical next steps.
💬 Grace Quotes from Kyle Waid:
"You don't try to be Christlike—you train."
"This is what pleases God—when you're dependent on Him and his grace to grace you in your weakness.”
"The whole idea with grace is do what you can. Let God do what you can't."
Scriptures Mentioned:
Matthew 5:1-12 – The Beatitudes
Ephesians 2:8-10 – Grace is the gift of faith.
Luke 15:11-32 – Parable of the Lost Son(s)
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Henri Nouwen's The Return of the Prodigal Son
🎶 Kyle's go-to grace song Open the Eyes of My Heart, Lord
Connect with Kyle Waid:
Website: newcircle.church
Instagram: @newcircle.church
Facebook: @NewCircleChurch
Related Episodes:
Ep. 50 Five Grace Takeaways that Still Stick with Jennifer Sakata
Ep. 72 Grace Behind Our Smiles with Joe and Tara Buchanan
Ep. 61 Walking in Grace & Other People's Shoes with Neil Matthews
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Grateful for COVID? with Evelyn Sherwood | Episode 84
2026/05/12
In Grateful for COVID, Evelyn Sherwood shares how her COVID diagnosis led to the discovery of lung embolisms and ultimately cancer—an unexpected sequence that reshaped her understanding of grace. What began in fear became a testimony of gratitude, not because illness is good, but because it revealed something that needed to be treated. Her story invites us to reconsider what it means to be Grateful for COVID in light of God’s redemptive work.
We explore how grace meets us in suffering and how lament can lead to deeper trust and peace.
In this conversation, we discuss:
Evelyn's "Job season" and what it taught her about surrender
The distinction between grief and lament—and how both lead us to grace
Practical, everyday practices that nurture gratitude and peace
How gratitude can coexist with suffering
Why worship can grow in the middle of hard seasons
If you’re navigating illness, diagnosis, or an unexpected storm, this episode will equip and encourage you to experience grace in the messy middle.
💬 Grace Quotes from Evelyn Sherwood:
"Hard is hard but God is good."
"I [God] can do more in your surrender that you can do with all your striving.”
"Gather gratitude like a bouquet and give it to Jesus."
Scriptures Mentioned:
Hebrews 4:16 – Approach God with boldness to receive grace
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Evelyn's The Pocket Full of Hope Series
🌿 Shop Evelyn's watercolors and other resources
🌿 Soakstream on YouTube
🌿 Dark Clouds, Deep Mercies by Mark Vroegop
🎶 Evelyn's go-to grace song Goodness of God by Cece Winans + Always on Time by Elevation Worship
Connect with Evelyn Sherwood:
Website: evelynsherwood.com
Instagram: @evelynshwerwoodauthor
Facebook: @evelyn.sherwood
Related Episodes:
Ep. 25 Divine Detour and Deepened Faith with Lori Ann Wood
Ep. 59 Chased by Grace, Marked by Love with Crystal Mayo
Ep. 18 Sometimes I Forget with Julie Sunne
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The Pursuit of Holy Leisure with Cara Ray | Ep. 83
2026/05/05
Are you a check-the-box person—or someone who longs to slow down and be more intentional with God? In this episode, we explore the pursuit of holy leisure and how it becomes an invitation to grace when you struggle to sustain a meaningful rhythm of meeting with Him.
Author Cara Ray shares how the pursuit of holy leisure reshapes our understanding of rest, productivity, and presence with God. Drawing from her book, The Pursuit of Holy Leisure, she offers a vision for a Sabbath-shaped life that holds both deep spiritual connection and everyday responsibilities in tension—without striving or performance.
If you’ve ever felt stuck between doing more and desiring more of God, this conversation will help you move from performance to presence. Together, we unpack how the pursuit of holy leisure allows you to slow down, commune with God, and rediscover your identity through who He is—not what you do.
You’ll also hear how Cara’s journey was influenced by Richard Foster and his classic book Celebration of Discipline, and how spiritual practices can gently lead us into a life of abiding rather than achieving.
In this episode, we talk about:
How the pursuit of holy leisure began in Cara's own life
The difference between "vegging out" and true holy leisure
Why slowing down is essential for spiritual formation and connection with God
Moving from performance-based faith to presence-centered living
Rhythms of grace that help you stay grounded in the pursuit of holy leisure
The role of stillness—and why it's more than just inactivity
Practical, everyday steps to begin the pursuit of holy leisure
When life feels out of balance, resting in God can seem out of reach. But the pursuit of holy leisure offers a better way—a grace-filled rhythm of slowing down, abiding deeply, and enjoying God in the middle of your everyday life.
💬 Grace Quotes from Cara Ray:
"Ultimately, we make time for the things that are important to us."
"God's grace isn't part of the story; it's the thread woven throughout the Scriptures, beginning in the Garden and culminating in the Cross.”
"When we slow down, that is when our eyes open—when our hearts open and see there is grace."
Scriptures Mentioned:
Luke 10:38-42– The story of Martha and Mary
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Cara's book Pursuit of Holy Leisure
🌿 Cara's FREEBIES and resources
🌿 Richard Foster's book The Celebration of Discipline
🎶 Cara's go-to grace song Goodness of God by Cece Winans
Connect with Cara Ray:
Website: cara-ray.com
Instagram: @pursuingotiumsanctum
Facebook: @pursuingotiumsanctum
Related Episodes:
Ep. 70 Grace in the Story of Ruth with Mariel Davenport
Ep. 69 How to Love Your Morning with Jennifer Dukes Lee
Ep. 52 Chasing Grace with Carol McLeod
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A King Washes Feet: Loving those We Resist with Jessica Bond | Ep. 82
2026/04/28
“Lord, who are we drawing today?” It’s the question Jessica Claire Bond asked after her artwork went viral—and became the heartbeat behind her illustrated Bible study, A King Washes Feet. What started as a single image quickly grew into a powerful visual series capturing the tension we feel when a King stoops low to wash everyone’s feet.
In A King Washes Feet, Jessica Claire Bond invites us into the radical humility of Jesus—a humility that challenges our comfort and confronts our assumptions. It’s one thing to serve those we love or agree with. But what does it look like to follow Christ’s example when it means loving our enemies, extending grace to those we resist, or embracing people we don’t understand?
Through her thought-provoking illustrations, A King Washes Feet brings the Gospel to life in unexpected ways—pairing individuals like police officers and inmates, victims and offenders, political opposites, and unlikely neighbors. The message is both unsettling and deeply beautiful: Jesus doesn’t withhold His love based on our categories.
In our conversation, we explore the deeper meaning behind A King Washes Feet and how it calls us into a transformed way of living:
The viral moment that launched the Footwashing Series
Why we resist God's love for certain people
The cost—and freedom—of living out the radical gospel
Letting go of the expectations we place on Jesus
The tension between familiarity and true surrender
Who might be missing from our churches—and why
When we picture everyone sitting at the same table—enemies, strangers, and those who have hurt us—it can feel uncomfortable, even impossible. But A King Washes Feet reminds us of this truth, as Jessica puts it: "It's not about who's on the seat, but who's washing the feet."
💬 Grace Quotes from Jessica Claire Bond:
"The world is hungry for footwashing.”
"Our God knows a different kind of love. Our Jesus has firsthand experience extending love and giving grace to people who betray him in less than 12 hours."
“It's not about who's on the seat, but about Who's washing the feet."
Scriptures Mentioned:
John 13:1-17 – Jesus washes the disciples' feet and commands them to do likewise.
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Jessica's book A King Washes Feet
🎶 Jessica's go-to grace song Center by Abbie Gamboa
Connect with Jessica Claire Bond:
Website: saltandgold.com.au
Instagram: @saltandgoldcollection
Facebook: @saltandgoldcollection
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Ep. 36 Don't Hoard Your Healing with Nancy Manassero
Ep. 35 Where Grace Intersects Sexual Trauma with Nancy Manassero
Ep. 71 How to Live Deeply Loved with Bill and Kristi Gaultiere
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Shaped by God's Promises with Shannon Popkin | Ep. 81
2026/04/21
What do you do when God makes a promise—but your reality doesn’t match it yet? In this episode, Shaped by God’s Promises, we step into the tension of waiting, when doubt creeps in, and control feels easier than trust. If you’ve ever found yourself striving, second-guessing, or trying to “make things happen” instead of resting in God’s timing, this conversation will lead you back to a faith that holds steady, even in the unknown.
What does it look like to be Shaped by God’s Promises when life doesn’t unfold the way you expected? In the space between what God has spoken and what you can see, faith can feel fragile—and waiting can feel long. But it’s in that tension that God is at work, shaping your heart, your trust, and your story.
When we can’t count on others—or even ourselves—it’s easy to tighten our grip and try to control the outcome. But self-reliance is a graceless substitute for faith, leaving us depleted and striving. Instead, God invites us into something deeper: a steady confidence in His promises, even when fulfillment feels far off.
In this episode of Living the Grace Life, I’m joined by author and Bible teacher Shannon Popkin to talk about what it means to be Shaped by God’s Promises through seasons of waiting. Drawing from the life of Sarah in Genesis, Shannon shares from her book and Bible study, revealing how God’s faithfulness meets us in the middle of doubt, unmet expectations, and self-reliance.
Together, we explore how God uses both the waiting and the fulfillment to form authentic faith—not manufactured effort or “fruit stapling,” but Spirit-grown transformation.
In today's conversation, we chat about:
When Sarah's faith shifted into self-reliance, and what we can learn from it
The moment God ensured Sarah personally heard His promise
How to trust God's promises for both the present and the future
The internal shift that happens when we truly believe what God has said
Why "fruit stapling" doesn't lead to real spiritual growth
Shannon's personal story of reconciliation after many years of waiting
Three grace-filled mindsets for living as women shaped by the promises of God
If you’ve ever wrestled with control, doubt, or discouragement while waiting on God, this conversation will help you move from striving to surrender—and from fear to authentic, grace-rooted faith.
Because beneath every story—including yours—is a faithful God who keeps His promises, not because we deserve it, but because of His unchanging grace.
💬 Grace Quotes from Shannon Popkin:
"Faith ends where self-reliance begins."
"Don't judge God's faithfulness to you based on what you're seeing in the here and now."
"Control says, 'It's all up to me.' Surrender says, 'It's all up to God.'"
"It's never too late to be shaped by God's promises.”
Scriptures Mentioned:
Hebrews 11 – The Great Hall of Faith
Galatians 5:22-23 – The Fruit of the Spirit
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Shannon's FREE Printable - Pray the Promises
🌿 Shannon's book Shaped by God's Promises
🎶 Shannon's go-to grace song I'll Wait for You by Shane and Shane
Connect with Shannon Popkin:
Website: shannonpopkin.com
Instagram: @shannonpopkin
Facebook: @shanpopkin
Related Episodes:
Ep. 25 Divine Detour and Deepened Faith with Lori Ann Wood
Ep. 28 How to Find Hope in God's Promises | Hebrews 11:13
Ep. 42 What if Doubt is Part of Faith? with Niki Hardy
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Healing After Abortion: Grace, Hope & Recovery with Tonya B. Jones | Ep. 80
2026/04/07
One in four women will have an abortion at some point in their lifetime. Yet so many silently wonder if healing after abortion is truly possible. If you’ve ever carried the weight of shame, regret, or unanswered questions, this conversation offers hope.
April is Abortion Recovery Awareness Month, and in this powerful episode, we answer with a resounding yes—healing is possible. Tonya Bailey Jones, retired Naval Officer and author of Pearls in the Pews, shares her deeply personal journey through multiple abortions, hidden shame, and her eventual path to freedom through God’s mercy and grace.
Together, we explore what it means to step out of hiding, get honest with God, and begin the process of true healing. Tonya offers a compassionate and honest look at the realities many women face, along with the grace that meets them there.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why healing after abortion often begins with honesty
The impact of past wounds on present choices and identity
Tonya's journey of "unmasking" and finding freedom
Common misconceptions about grace in abortion conversations
The importance of grieving in post-abortion healing
Normalizing grace in the church for women seeking restoration
If you've ever stood at the corner of a hard decision—or carried one quietly ever since—you are not alone. There is grace for your story and hope for your healing.
💬 Grace Quotes from Tonya B. Jones:
"Your soul needs the grace of God, but you can't receive it while you keep condemning yourself.”
"The heart of an abortion-wounded woman is grieving and they often don't know it."
“If you can love the abortion-wounded woman to life, you'll love her to keeping the life of her baby."
Scriptures Mentioned:
Romans 8:1 – Living free from condemnation
Revelation 12:11 – Defeated by the Blood of the Lamb
Resources Mentioned:
🌿 Tonya's book Pearls in the Pews
🌿 Rachel's Vineyard Abortion Recovery and Retreat Center
🌿 Alternatives to abortion and recovery support: Care Net
🎶 Tonya's go-to grace song Thank You for the Blood by Charity Gayle
Connect with Tonya B. Jones:
Website: tonyabjones.com
Instagram: @blessed1_t2w
Facebook: @thetonyabjones
Related Episodes:
Ep. 61 Walking in Grace & Other People's Shoes with Neil Matthews
Ep. 60 Healing from Life's Deepest Hurts with Kimberly Haar
Ep. 54 Grace Cleans the Messy Past with James Early
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