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Remnant Finance aims to revolutionize how you think about money. Join co-hosts Brian Moody and Hans Toohey, veteran military pilots and Authorized Infinite Banking Concept Practitioners of the NNI, as they dive deep into strategies that can transform your approach to personal finance. What’s Infinite Banking? It’s a financial movement about taking control of your future and creating a system that preserves and grows your wealth across generations. Join us as we challenge the conventional and build financial independence together. Subscribe to navigate your financial future with confidence!
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E85 - Is Infinite Banking A Scam? The Top 7 Objections
2026/02/06
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This episode dismantles the top seven objections one by one. We're answering them directly and showing why most criticisms reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of what whole life insurance actually is.
If you've ever hesitated to explore IBC because something you read online gave you pause, this is the episode for you.
Chapters: 00:00 – Opening segment 07:40 – Objection 1: Whole life is a terrible investment 15:45 – Objection 2: The rate of return is terrible 26:35 – Objection 3: You don't break even for years 34:45 – Objections 4 & 5: Why pay interest to borrow my own money? 45:25 – Objection 6: Agents make huge commissions 57:50 – Objection 7: This only works if you're rich 1:02:05 – Closing segment
Key Takeaways:
It's not an investment—it's savings. Whole life has no risk of loss, which by definition means it's not an investment. It's a savings vehicle with guarantees, privacy, and a death benefit. Stop comparing it to the S&P 500.
Rate of return isn't the only metric. The best-performing asset changes depending on your timeframe. Chasing returns is how people buy high and sell low. Wealthy investors prioritize control, understanding, and risk management before rate of return.
Policy loans aren't "borrowing your own money." You're borrowing the insurance company's money, collateralized by your cash value. Your money keeps compounding. That's the entire point.
Commissions aren't the gotcha people think. If agents wanted easy money, they'd get a securities license and collect 1% AUM fees for life. Whole life is harder to sell and pays less over time than traditional financial advising.
Is Infinite Banking a scam? If you've spent five minutes researching IBC online, you've seen the accusations. These objections are everywhere—YouTube comments, Reddit threads, Dave Ramsey clips. They sound convincing. They're also wrong.
E84 - What Happens When the Economy Doesn't Need Workers Anymore?
2026/01/30
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This episode examines Jordi Visser's recent analysis on what AI means for the labor market, why this isn't like previous technological disruptions, and how to position yourself financially when the old rules no longer apply.
We talk through the psychological impact on anyone raised in the meritocracy, why competing against entities that never sleep and improve every six months is fundamentally different than competing against other humans, and what it actually looks like to build a two-year financial runway.
Chapters: 00:00 – Opening segment01:35 – Jordi Visser article introduction 06:45 – The danger of refusing to update with new information 09:15 – I built an arbitrage bot in 12 minutes with zero coding knowledge 14:45 – Q3 2025: GDP up, profits up, employment down 16:30 – "Your labor is no longer required for our prosperity" 19:55 – The original 10,000-year bargain between labor and capital 23:10 – Today's graduates competing against entities 31:45 – Why whole life insurance shines brighter in this environment 40:15 – Uber drivers protesting robo-taxis ten years after disrupting taxis 52:30 – Building your runway 58:00 – Closing thoughts and how to position your assets
Key Takeaways:
This isn't the Industrial Revolution 2.0. Previous disruptions eliminated jobs but created surplus that funded new roles. AI breaks that chain—digital employees don't need wages, don't become consumers, and improve exponentially every six months.
The math changed. A college degree once guaranteed middle-class stability. Now it puts you in direct competition with entities that work 24/7, remember everything, and have no upper bound on capability.
Own assets or get left behind. When capital no longer depends on labor, asset prices can rise indefinitely while wages stagnate. Position yourself on the side of the equation that benefits.
Build your runway now. Hans tracks daily burn rate and is targeting two years of expenses in emergency reserves. Calculate yours: monthly expenses ÷ 30 = daily burn. Emergency fund ÷ daily burn = runway in days.
Protect, save, grow still applies—maybe more than ever. Guaranteed growth vehicles, physical precious metals, crypto, rental properties, and options trading all have a place in a portfolio built for uncertainty.
The social contract between labor and capital has held for 10,000 years: work generates value, value generates wages, wages generate surplus. Q3 2025 may have broken that contract permanently. GDP grew 4.3%, corporate profits hit record highs—and job growth collapsed to near zero. For the first time in history, the economy is thriving without creating jobs.
E83 - The Math Behind 1% Weekly Returns (And Real Client Results)
2026/01/23
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You've heard us talk about Low Stress Trading for months now. You've seen the testimonials in the chat. Maybe you're still on the fence. This episode is the deep dive—we're breaking down exactly how IBC and options trading work together, running the actual math (even with worst-case assumptions), and sharing real results from clients who started trading less than four months ago.
We walk through the order of operations: should you fund your trading account first or pay premium first? How do policy loans actually integrate with a brokerage account? And what happens when the market eventually turns?
We also address the elephant in the room—why some people think this is a scam, and why that criticism fundamentally misunderstands how the strategy works.
If you've been waiting for proof of concept before jumping in, this episode gives you the numbers and the framework..
Chapters:
00:00 – Opening segment
01:35 – Credit card discussion
04:42 – IBC + low stress trading integration
06:18 – Three core questions we're answering this episode
07:43 – Everything financial is connected—your dollars are one ecosystem
09:27 – Will the bull market last forever?
11:08 – Why it's felt like the bottom could fall out for five years straight
13:47 – The importance of growth strategy even within protect-save-grow
14:53 – What happens when the market tanks and trading gets harder
16:02 – Why having capital on the sideline matters
19:03 – Using one policy for investing, one as an untouched emergency fund
22:13 – Treating the policy loan as interest-only (and why that's different than a car loan)
25:22 – Brian's whiteboard: $50K policy loan compounding at 1%/week
28:54 – Year-by-year breakdown with taxes and loan interest factored in
37:42 – Worst-case scenario still produces 31% annual returns
40:07 – Order of operations: fund premium first or trading first?
43:58 – Why protect-save-grow means IBC comes before trading
46:47 – Worst-case math revisited: 8% interest, 30% tax, 0.8% weekly returns
54:18 – "Best scam I've ever been a part of"
58:02 – The value of a structured education vs. free YouTube
1:01:37 – Closing thoughts and how to join
Key Takeaways:
IBC and trading aren't separate strategies—they integrate. Every dollar in your financial life is connected. Using policy loans to fund a trading account lets your capital work in two places at once: compounding in your policy and generating returns in the market.
The math works even under worst-case assumptions. At 8% loan interest, 30% taxes, and only 0.8% weekly returns, a $50K policy loan still produces roughly 31% annual returns. With more realistic numbers, the results are dramatically better.
Order of operations matters. Fund your IBC premium first, then borrow against it to trade. This keeps protection in place, maximizes tax benefits, and lets your policy cash value grow uninterrupted.
You control everything. Trades happen in your own brokerage account (Schwab, Robinhood, etc.). No one else touches your money. The "scam" criticism misunderstands the structure entirely.
Real clients are seeing real results. Members of our trading group are reporting 1%+ weekly returns, with some replacing significant portions of their income in under four months.
Having capital on the sideline matters. When the next market downturn comes, those with cash available in their policies will be positioned to buy at the bottom
E82 - How to Get an IBC Policy: The Walkthrough of Our Process
2026/01/16
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You've been listening to the podcast. You've read Nelson Nash. You're sold on IBC. But now what? What actually happens when you reach out to an agency like Remnant Finance?
This episode is a behind-the-scenes look at our entire process—from the first intro call to policy delivery and years of ongoing service. We break down the three things you should look for in an advisor (and why only two of them are actually required), explain why we start underwriting before we've finalized your policy design, and get honest about what kind of client we work best with.
We also talk about what separates good IBC practitioners from agents who just have a license and a pitch. Spoiler: most people selling life insurance know less about it than you will after a few calls with us. That's not arrogance—our own company reps have told us that.
If you're evaluating whether to work with us or someone else, this episode gives you the full picture of what we do, how we do it, and why we do it that way.
Chapters:
00:00 – Opening segment
03:25 – The problem with "I can do IBC" advisors at big firms
06:30 – The three credentials: license, company contract, NNI certification
08:35 – Why getting a life license is dangerously easy
09:45 – Company selection: mutual companies and what makes them IBC-ready
10:45 – Captive vs. independent agents
13:05 – Why we work with two primary carriers
21:05 – What NNI certification actually involves
23:45 – Why insurance companies love NNI business (persistency)
28:05 – Our process starts: the intro call
31:00 – When IBC isn't the right fit (yet)
33:00 – Why we filter for worldview—and why that's actually good for you
36:45 – "If you have to drag them in, you'll have to drag them around"
37:15 – The intake form and application process
38:25 – Why we apply for more coverage than you might need
43:50 – How underwriting requirements work (the flow chart)
47:25 – Strategy calls while underwriting happens in the background
52:15 – Policy review: Loom walkthrough vs. live Zoom call
55:00 – Policy in force—now what?
56:45 – The range of ongoing service: hands-off to hands-on
59:00 – There's no industry requirement for ongoing service—ask your agent
1:04:45 – Closing thoughts and how to book a call
Key Takeaways:
A license is just the first step. Getting a life license is easy—memorize a study guide, pay a fee, pass a test. It doesn't mean someone knows how to structure a policy for IBC.
Company selection is critical. Only about 10-12 mutual companies can write policies the way Nelson Nash taught. Your agent needs a contract with one of them—and ideally understands the differences between them.
Captive agents are limited. If your advisor works for a single company (like Northwestern Mutual), they can only offer that company's products. Independent brokers can match you with the carrier that fits your situation.
NNI certification isn't required, but it matters. It's not a legal requirement to sell IBC-style policies, but it signals that an advisor has gone through specific training in Nelson Nash's methodology and stays connected to ongoing education.
We start underwriting early—on purpose. The application process takes 4-6+ weeks. We submit it before finalizing your policy structure so the company is waiting on us, not the other way around. Think of it like a mortgage pre-approval.
Education happens throughout. Expect 2-4+ calls before your policy is even issued. We want you to understand what you're buying, how it works, and how to use it. This should be the asset you understand the most.
E81 - You Don’t Need Dave Ramsey, but Congress Sure Does!
2026/01/09
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This episode dives into the macroeconomic chaos of 2025. Hans breaks down the yen carry trade, quantitative easing, and why the 10-year Treasury isn't budging despite Fed rate cuts. Brian connects it back to what matters: how you position your family's finances when nobody knows what's coming next.
The tension is real. On one hand, the debasement trade says go long equities—they're going to keep printing money and asset prices will rise. On the other hand, forward P/E ratios are at 23x, historically correlated with flat or negative real returns over the next decade. And then there's AI—a real time Black Swan breaking every economic model we thought we understood.
Chapters:
00:00 – Opening segment
01:25 – 2025 macro overview: building resilience against all outcomes
05:05 – Fed rate divergence: Japan raising while the US cuts
06:55 – The yen carry trade explained
10:30 – Quantitative easing: how the Fed creates money through primary dealers
13:45 – The Cantillon effect and why Wall Street benefits first
15:15 – Congress is the root cause, not the Fed
17:05 – Why Austrian economists were partially wrong about 2008 QE
19:30 – Will this round of QE hit faster?
21:45 – The bond market is calling the Fed's bluff
25:45 – The case for growth assets in an inflationary environment
28:00 – Forward P/E at 23x: what the metric means
34:05 – How forward P/E correlates with 10-year returns
40:30 – Why you need both growth and guaranteed savings
42:00 – The dual paths of wealth: protection and growth
45:15 – The house fire story50:10 – AI as the wildcard disrupting all economic models
53:05 – The slow-motion Black Swan we're living through
56:45 – The 1994 email clip: we're there again with AI
59:00 – Closing segment
Key Takeaways:
Two Narratives, One Strategy: The inflation/debasement trade says buy growth assets. Elevated P/E ratios say expect flat returns. Both are valid—which is why you need exposure to both growth and guarantees.
The Fed Isn't the Root Problem: Congress can't stop spending. The Fed enables it by monetizing debt through quantitative easing. Until spending stops, money printing won't stop.
The Bond Market Doesn't Believe the Fed: Rate cuts should lower mortgage rates. They haven't. The 10-year Treasury is rising because bond buyers are pricing in continued inflation and fiscal recklessness.
Forward P/E Matters: At 23x, historical data shows a strong correlation with flat inflation-adjusted returns over the next decade. That's not a prediction—it's a data point worth considering.
AI Changes Everything (Maybe): What took 30 years of internet development now happens in 12 months with AI. It could accelerate productivity beyond anything we've measured—or it could be a bubble. Nobody knows. Plan accordingly.
Book a call: https://remnantfinance.com/calendar ! The Fed just cut rates. Japan just raised theirs to a 30-year high. The bond market is calling the Fed's bluff. And Congress keeps maxing out credit cards while writing their own spending limit increases. What does this mean for your money—and how do you plan when the signals are screaming opposite things?
The Dual Paths of Wealth: You're always walking two roads—protection and growth. Whole life insurance designed for IBC lets you do both simultaneously: guaranteed savings you can leverage into growth assets without abandoning either path.
E80 - Why Your Will Isn't Enough: The Estate Planning Wake-Up Call
2026/01/02
Many philosophers have contemplated the inevitability of death and taxes. But despite knowing both are coming, most people avoid planning for either until it's too late. What happens when you die without a proper estate plan? What's the difference between a will and a trust? And why does the government already have an estate plan for you—whether you like it or not?
This episode tackles estate planning head-on. Hans walks through the foundational concepts from his CLU coursework while Brian shares the painful reality of navigating Pennsylvania's probate system after losing his mother. The contrast is striking: life insurance proceeds arrived within a week, tax-free and hassle-free. Everything else? A year-long nightmare involving shyster attorneys, arbitrary timelines, and a state government eager to collect its pound of flesh.
The episode also addresses a critical oversight many families make: naming minor children as contingent beneficiaries on life insurance policies. Insurance companies cannot pay minors directly, which reintroduces the exact inefficiencies you were trying to avoid. One possible solution? Establish a trust and name it as your contingent beneficiary.
Chapters:
00:00 – Opening segment
02:00 – Why estate planning matters for everyone
03:30 – Brian's probate experience in Pennsylvania
07:30 – The one-year waiting period and attorney fees
11:45 – Life insurance: the easiest transfer by far
15:00 – Definition of estate planning: accumulate, manage, conserve, transfer
17:30 – Effective vs. efficient transfers explained
19:45 – The three places your assets can go
24:00 – Federal estate tax: 40% above the exemption
29:00 – The five-year thought exercise
37:00 – Minor children as beneficiaries: the hidden problem
43:30 – What would change if you had five years left?
54:00 – Heritage over inheritance: passing down more than money
59:05 - Closing Segment
Key Takeaways:
You Already Have an Estate Plan: If you haven't created one, the government has a default plan for you—and it prioritizes creditors and bureaucratic process over your family's needs.
A Will Is Not Enough: Wills direct the probate court on asset distribution, but assets still go through a lengthy, costly, public legal process. Trusts bypass probate entirely.
Life Insurance Skips the Mess: Death benefits transfer directly to beneficiaries, tax-free, within days—no court involvement, no waiting periods, no attorney fees.
Don't Name Minors as Beneficiaries: Insurance companies cannot pay children directly. Name a trust as your contingent beneficiary to maintain efficiency and control.
The Five-Year Exercise Changes Everything: If you knew your exact death date, your priorities would shift immediately. Use that clarity now—maximize protection, spend time with family, stop deferring what matters.
Estate Planning Is for the Living: Half of estate planning—accumulation and management—happens while you're alive. This isn't just about death; it's about building and protecting wealth today.
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E79 - Protect, Save, Grow: The Financial Framework You're Missing in 2026
2025/12/26
Joe Withrow, Brian Moody, and Hans Toohey deliver a joint strategy session on building a financial foundation that survives contact with reality. Why does traditional financial planning put growth before protection? What happens when your plan gets punched in the face? And why is Infinite Banking the only savings vehicle that accomplishes two critical goals simultaneously?
Most people have been trained to think their 401(k) is savings and their term life insurance is "just in case." They're told to focus on growth—index funds, average rates of return, retirement projections—while protection and actual savings become afterthoughts. But when job loss hits, disability strikes, or markets crater, the whole plan collapses. This episode reveals the proper order of operations: protect first, save second, grow third. Hans breaks down why "average rate of return" is a meaningless data point. Brian illustrates the parallel paths of protection and wealth accumulation with the diagram that makes it all click. And Joe explains why buying insurance isn't an expense if you do it correctly—it's saving money that immediately becomes accessible capital.
The conversation covers IBC mechanics, policy loans that don't disrupt compounding, real estate purchases funded with cash value, the power of dinner table time for passing down values, and why building generational wealth starts with one decision: get the foundation right, then everything else becomes possible.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment
01:25 - New Year's resolutions: tangible goals vs. vague aspirations
08:50 - The invention of "Retirement Inc." in the 1970s
11:05 - Protect, Save, Grow: the proper order of operations
13:10 - What traditional CFPs get wrong about protection
14:35 - Why "average rate of return" is a useless metric
16:40 - Brian's parallel paths diagram begins
19:30 - The two parallel paths: protection and wealth accumulation
22:30 - What can disrupt the wealth curve? (audience participation)
25:50 - Poor investment decisions: the most common sabotage
27:05 - Infinite money printing: Congress is the real villain
30:05 - Low Stress Options trading: the 1% per week framework
32:25 - Why people abandon the framework (and regret it)
33:00 - Systematizing savings: DCA into gold and Bitcoin every week
36:25 - UPMA for fractional gold ownership
37:45 - IBC: not an expense, it's saving money
39:15 - The kids' policies: $3,000 payment = $3,500 cash value
40:10 - Legal protection: equity in life insurance vs. bank accounts
41:15 - Brian: IBC's rate isn't big compared to investments, but...
42:50 - Whole life matches a guaranteed event (death) with guaranteed outcome
44:30 - Joe's real estate purchases funded by policy loans
45:30 - Hans breaks down policy loan mechanics (not simple interest)
47:40 - Annual compounding with principal-only repayments
48:15 - Hans's approach: keep loans levered for LSO trading
49:45 - Cash doesn't find opportunities, opportunities find cash
51:00 - Brian's land purchase: opportunity requires capital
53:10 - Making purchases for freedom and security, not money itself
59:30 - Actionable next steps
1:08:40 - Heritage over inheritance: building bloodline strength
1:09:30 - The Five Pillars: financial is just one piece
1:10:10 - Passing down American values and family culture
1:12:25 - Dinner table time: 90 minutes in the '70s vs. 11 minutes today
1:14:30 - Start at your locus of control and expand outward
1:15:20 - Multi-generational thinking: buying IBC for grandkids
1:27:00 - Closing segment
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E78 - The Discipline That Separates Wealth Builders from Everyone Else
2025/12/19
Brian breaks down the most misunderstood aspect of Infinite Banking: loan repayments. Why do we pay ourselves back at market rates? What does EVA actually mean? And what happens when you pay yourself more than the insurance company charges?
Most people think being their own banker means they can be loose with repayment—skip payments, pay whenever, charge themselves whatever rate feels right. You can, per the contract. But should you? This episode reveals why maintaining market-rate discipline for the full loan duration is what separates wealth builders from people who just talk about IBC. Brian explains where that "extra interest" actually goes, how to decide how much to pay against your loan, and how Parkinson's Law can destroy generational wealth before it ever gets started.
Discipline is what builds legacy wealth. Without it, you're just the worst kind of bank: one with no standards, no discipline, and ultimately no capital.
00:00 - Opening segment
00:40 - Introduction: Why loan repayments trip people up
01:30 - Policy loan mechanics: you're not withdrawing, you're borrowing
02:10 - Economic Value Added (EVA): the fundamental principle
03:05 - Why people go sideways: thinking interest doesn't matter
03:30 - Nelson Nash's recommendation: pay market rates for full duration
04:40 - What "market rates" actually means
05:20 - Maintaining discipline that creates wealth
06:30 - The $30K car loan example at 5% over 5 years
07:25 - Where does the extra interest go when you pay yourself more?
08:30 - The insurance company doesn't care what rate you calculate
09:30 - Should you keep paying after the loan is satisfied early?
11:00 - Where most people sabotage themselves: the early payoff trap
11:30 - Parkinson's Law: expenses rise to meet income
12:50 - What to do when your PUAs are maxed out
14:00 - Capital deployment vs. consumption: know the difference
14:20 - Parkinson's Law destroys generational wealth
16:00 - The temptation to "save on interest" (you're paying yourself)
17:00 - "But I can make more investing elsewhere" - the speculation trap
18:10 - IBC isn't about loopholes, it's about discipline
19:10 - Practical implementation: set up auto-pay, treat it like any loan
19:40 - The $40K truck example: paying 7% when insurance charges 5%
22:30 - Decision tree when your policy is truly maxed
26:15 - Income doesn't equal wealth: the $500K pilot who's broke
27:00 - The $80K family building dynastic wealth
28:40 - Final recap: market rates, full duration, have a plan
30:00 - EVA: every loan should create value, every payment should build
30:45 - If your practitioner says rates don't matter, run
31:20 - The Moody Family Creed and how it applies here
31:50 - Closing thoughts
Economic Value Added (EVA): The fundamental question: did the thing you financed produce more value than the loan cost you? Borrow at 5%, asset returns 8% = positive EVA. Borrow at 5%, thing depreciates = negative EVA.
Pay Yourself Market Rates: Nelson Nash recommended paying loans back at market rates or higher— at least what you'd pay elsewhere for similar financing. This maintains the discipline that creates wealth.
The Full Duration Principle: Even if you pay a loan off early by using higher interest rates, keep making those payments for the full original term. A 5-year loan means 5 years of payments to your system.
The Early Payoff Trap: This is where most people sabotage themselves.
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E77 - The 401(k) Trap: Whose Water Are You Carrying?
2025/12/12
Hans and Brian challenge the conventional wisdom around qualified retirement plans and expose the misaligned incentives baked into the 401(k) system.
Most people defend their 401(k)s and IRAs with passion—but they're carrying water for institutions whose goals directly conflict with their own. This episode breaks down the four things financial institutions want from your money, reveals the history of how employers shifted pension risk onto employees, and asks the critical question: whose incentives are you serving?
The conventional model says lock your money away for 40 years, fund your own retirement, bear all the market risk, and hope you have enough at 65. The qualified plan gives you a 13-year window of control—you can't touch it penalty-free until 59.5, and RMDs force withdrawals starting at 73. That means if you live to 76, you only controlled your money 25% of your life. Meanwhile, the average person retiring today has $537,000 saved but needs $1.5 million. The system is failing, yet people aggressively defend it.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment 03:40 - Revisiting fundamentals 04:25 - What do financial institutions want from you? 05:25 - The four goals: get your money, hold it systematically, keep it long, give back little 06:40 - We just described a qualified plan 07:50 - The 13-year window: locked until 59.5, forced RMDs at 73 08:45 - Tax benefits: the one real advantage of a Roth 10:00 - Why we're assuming Roth for this discussion 11:30 - The gray area in Roth tax code and the $42 trillion sitting in qualified plans 12:35 - Only controlling your money 25% of your life 13:20 - Teaching kids to be good stewards vs. locking their money away 14:30 - RMD penalties: 25% minimum, up to 50% in some scenarios 16:00 - TSP RMD mechanics: you can't choose which funds to liquidate 17:00 - Taking the employer match and using whole life as a volatility buffer 18:20 - Spending down qualified plans first, not leaving them to heirs 18:50 - The pension system: employers provided capital and bore market risk 21:20 - The shift: now employees fund their own retirement and bear all risk 23:10 - Stockholm Syndrome: aggressively defending the institutions that benefit 24:00 - Median household income $84K, needs $1.5M, average savings $537K 27:40 - Why the average is skewed by millionaires (statistical reality check) 29:25 - Comparing contractual guarantees to projections and prospectuses 31:00 - Strip away the labels: whole life is just an asset, just like mutual funds 32:20 - We want you to understand WHY you believe what you believe 33:35 - The rate of return objection and Nelson's tailwind example 36:15 - Whose incentives align with yours? Insurance companies vs. 401(k) managers 38:05 - Underwriting proves alignment: they want you healthy and financially stable 39:30 - Our mission: cut banks out, create tax-free estates, control your capital 41:15 - Closing thoughts
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E76 - You Bought the Policy, Now What? Navigating the Four Stages of Infinite Banking
2025/12/05
Hans and Brian break down the four-stage framework for infinite banking mastery, drawn from Factum Financial's work observing how practitioners actually use their policies over time.
Most people who buy a whole life policy think they're "doing infinite banking." They're not. They're at Stage One—and most never make it past Stage Three. This episode walks through the progression from Saver to Wealth Builder to Business Banker to Infinite Banker, and explains why defining success is the only way to stop chasing "more" forever.
The conventional approach to money says sacrifice now, maybe live on rice and beans, and hope for abundance at 65. The infinite banking model allows you to live in abundance now while building exponentially greater wealth for future generations—but only if you understand what stage you're in and where you're actually going.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment
03:40 - Why most life insurance is just a drawer document
04:50 - Stage One: The Saver (financial education, awareness, saving strategy)
06:30 - Why getting the policy doesn't make you proficient
08:00 - Stage Two: The Wealth Builder (adding debt strategy and investing strategy)
11:15 - Understanding policy loan mechanics and efficient cash flow capture
12:00 - Multiple uses of your dollar: saving and debt repayment simultaneously
12:35 - Stage Three: The Business Banker (comprehensive integration)
14:00 - Raising deductibles and optimizing cash flow across all insurance
16:05 - Asset protection and trust structures
17:35 - The synergistic effect when investing strategies tie back into the system
18:00 - Stage Four: The Infinite Banker (maximum control and financial freedom)
18:25 - Jason Lowe's family with 77 policies financing nothing through banks
20:05 - The five areas of life: spiritual, personal, family, financial, occupation
22:35 - Hans's financial goals: zero budget on health/longevity and slow travel
24:30 - Why you need to get comfortable with material goals
26:00 - Finance as the area that spreads across everything else
27:35 - Even a simple quiet life requires getting financial loose ends tied up
29:10 - Leaving disorder vs leaving a legacy
31:30 - Identifying which stage you're in and continuously optimizing
32:25 - Recap of the four stages
32:35 - Contrasting with the conventional "no control" financial planning model
34:40 - Closing thoughts
Key Takeaways:
Stage One - The Saver: Getting the policy in place with financial education, awareness, and a saving strategy. Understanding why you have a term rider, what your MEC limit is, and the basic structure. Many clients can't fully explain these elements a year after purchase—that's normal, but it means you're still at Stage One.
Stage Two - The Wealth Builder: Adding debt strategy and investing strategy on top of the whole life chassis. Using policy loans efficiently, understanding being your own banker, and making your dollars work in multiple places simultaneously. Most Remnant Finance clients are here.
Stage Three - The Business Banker: Treating family cash flow like a business. Comprehensive integration of cash flow management, optimized insurance strategies (raising deductibles to maximize inflows), asset protection, and trust structures. The synergistic effect where investments flow back into the entire system.
Stage Four - The Infinite Banker: True financial freedom with maximum control over your entire financial life. Multi-generational legacy where the next generation understands and participates.
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E75 - Tax Implications for Low Stress Options: What You Need to Know
2025/11/28
Hans and Brian sit down with the Tax Sherpa team—Neal, Serena, and Fatma —to walk through the tax implications of options trading before it's too late to do anything about it.
Most in the Remnant caucus of the Low Stress Options community haven't filed a tax return reflecting this trading activity yet. They're tracking weekly income in their spreadsheets and assume that's what they'll owe taxes on—but the brokerage statements tell a completely different story. The bottom line? If you're making real money trading options, you need actual tax strategy in place now—not in March when it's too late to make adjustments.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment
02:20 - How options are actually taxed (short-term capital gains, rolling, assignments)
06:05 - Active trader vs passive trader: do you want professional trader status?
08:35 - The $3,000 capital loss limit explained (and why it's basically a slap in the face)
11:05 - Offsetting gains with losses: you can deduct more than $3,000 in the current year
13:45 - Tax loss harvesting and why FREC's approach is interesting
15:00 - How rolling options creates separate taxable events
17:05 - Why the $3,000 limit was never inflation-adjusted (it should be $25-30K today)
18:15 - Gambling losses and why they only offset gambling wins
20:25 - What your brokerage statement will actually show vs what the tracker shows
22:40 - Real estate as a "tax sponge" for offsetting capital gains
24:00 - Interest tracing: deducting policy loan interest on Schedule A
26:00 - Should you use one policy exclusively for investment loans?
28:25 - Why you shouldn't be doing this with TurboTax
29:00 - Mortgage interest deduction limits after the Big Beautiful Bill
35:20 - Using an LLC for trading: real estate, consulting, or all-in-one?
37:55 - Why crypto taxes are endlessly complex (smart contracts, staking, DeFi)
47:15 - Wash sale rule: does getting assigned invoke it?
55:30 - The Tax Sherpa process: survey, planning, execution
Key Takeaways:
Options are taxed as short-term capital gains (at your ordinary income rate) in 99% of cases—each contract is a separate taxable event, so rolling creates multiple transactions
The $3,000 capital loss limit is the NET position—you can offset unlimited gains plus an additional $3,000, then carry forward the remainder into future years
Your brokerage tracker shows return on equity; Schwab reports each individual trade—they're answering different questions, which is why people are often pleasantly surprised at tax time
If you're using policy loans to fund trading, you can deduct the interest on Schedule A through interest tracing—but you have to actually pay it and document the allocation
Professional trader status (mark-to-market accounting) is almost never advantageous unless trading is literally your full-time business with substantial daily activity and deductible expenses
Custodial accounts for kids don't provide much tax benefit due to kiddie tax rules—and they count against the student for financial aid purposes, unlike parent-held assets
Do your tax planning NOW, not in March—once the year is over, you've lost the ability to make strategic adjustments that could save you tens of thousands of dollars
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E74 - Why 50 Year Mortgages Won't Solve the Housing Crisis
2025/11/21
Hans and Brian break down the internet outrage over Trump's proposed 50-year mortgage—and why almost everyone is missing the point.
The real issue? Homes aren't going up in value—they're going up in price. And it's not because of creative mortgage products. It's because we've been completely untethered from financial discipline, buying based on monthly payments instead of actual value. The average person moves or refinances every seven years anyway, so whether it's 15, 30, or 50 years doesn't fundamentally change the problem.
Hans walks through the net present value discount formula to show why all three mortgage options are mathematically equivalent when you understand time value of money. The key isn't which mortgage term you choose—it's what you do with the cash flow difference and whether you understand human behavior well enough to avoid Parkinson's Law.
Plus: why banks love principle-only payments (you're giving them 2055 dollars at full value today), the mortgage recast strategy your lender will never mention, and why the only real solution is controlling the entire banking function yourself so your kids and grandkids never have to step inside a traditional bank.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment02:28 - Comparing total interest paid: 15 vs 30 vs 50 year mortgages 04:00 - The net present value discount formula explained 06:56 - Why understanding cash flow and equity matters 10:38 - The three variables that determine mortgage mechanics 13:00 - Parkinson's Law and the "compared to what" question
17:16 - Front-loading vs back-loading mortgage payments (policy loan example) 18:33 - The mortgage recast strategy banks won't tell you about 21:39 - Why future dollars are worth less than today's dollars 29:00 - The only two times you're secure in home ownership 30:22 - Taking control of the entire banking function for your family 34:07 - People don't buy homes, they buy monthly payments 37:37 - The already-broken system that 50-year mortgages expose 40:22 - Neil McSpadden's take: this isn't about affordability, it's about liquidity 42:00 - Comparing three different mortgage strategies with whole life policies 47:48 - The seen and the unseen: what are you doing with that capital? 49:00 - Why human behavior matters more than the math 51:00 - Nelson Nash and understanding the banking function first
Key Takeaways:
Homes are going up in price, not value—untethered financial behavior and "what can I afford per month" thinking has driven housing costs through the roof for decades
All mortgage terms (15, 30, 50 year) are mathematically equivalent when you understand net present value discount formula—what matters is what you do with the cash flow difference
When you make principle-only payments, you're giving banks full-value 2055 dollars today without any discount—they love this because you're making them whole on payments that should be worth a fraction of their face value
The average homeowner moves or refinances every seven years, making the actual loan term almost irrelevant—you're not paying off your house anyway, even with a 15-year mortgage
Most lenders won't tell you about mortgage recasting—make a lump sum payment (usually $10k minimum), pay a small fee, and they'll recalculate your loan with a lower monthly payment while keeping the same term
The real solution isn't optimizing which mortgage to choose—it's building a family banking system so you control the entire function: the repayment schedule, the equity, and the process
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E73 - Stop Hiding Money From Your Kids: The IBC Approach to Family Wealth
2025/11/14
Brian and Hans record together IN PERSON for the first time at the Factum Financial Infinite Banking Mastery Event in Scottsdale, Arizona, joined by Josh Rose from Factum Financial. This isn't your typical financial conference recap—it's a raw conversation about why the best financial gatherings spend more time discussing kids, vacations, and family legacy than investment returns.
Whether you're struggling with the "we don't talk about money" generational curse or wondering how to raise financially literate kids without forcing them into specific careers, this fireside chat challenges everything conventional wisdom teaches about family and finances.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening: First in-person recording from Scottsdale
02:28 - Introducing Josh Rose and his journey to IBC
05:05 - How IBC brings families together vs. traditional finance separating them
06:56 - The Five Core Areas (Fab Five): Faith, Family, Fitness, Finance, Friendship
10:38 - Evaluating your life as a wheel—are all areas balanced?
17:16 - Living intentionally now vs. locking money away for retirement
21:39 - "I don't have access to my money for 3-4 years" objection
28:17 - The startup business analogy for whole life policies
31:32 - The Future Family Letter: Eliminate bad habits, set standards, create excitement
35:47 - Breaking the "we don't talk about money" curse
37:37 - Teaching kids about money age-appropriately
40:22 - Making "policy" a normal word in your household
44:07 - "I want my children to do whatever they want PLUS be a banker"
47:48 - Everyone's in two businesses: income generation and banking
52:30 - Closing segment
Key Takeaways:
Traditional finance promotes individuality and separates families—IBC brings families together through interdependence and shared banking systems
The Five Core Areas (Faith, Family, Fitness, Finance, Friendship) create a framework for evaluating whether your life is "running smoothly"—connect the dots to see if your wheel is balanced
Your kids are only this age once—IBC removes the false choice between living fully now and saving for later by giving you access to capital while building guaranteed wealth
The "we don't talk about money" generational curse creates financially illiterate children who learn from the world instead of their parents—break this by making "policy" a normal household word
Write a Future Family Letter to eliminate generational habits you don't want, set clear standards for what you do want, and create excitement about what your family can become
Make your children bankers first, then let them do whatever career they want—the banking foundation gives them freedom to pursue their passions without financial anxiety
Traditional financial planning asks "what will I accumulate by 65?"—IBC asks "how can I live abundantly in all five areas while building generational wealth?"
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E72 - Why IULs Almost Always Fail: The Kyle Busch $8.5M Lawsuit
2025/11/07
Two-time NASCAR champion Kyle Busch just lost $8.5 million in an Indexed Universal Life policy after paying $10.5 million in premiums. This isn't just celebrity drama—it's a case study in why 90%+ of IULs collapse and why we'll never sell one.
IULs try to be insurance, savings, and investment all in one product. The result? A policy full of moving parts, changing cap rates, rising mortality charges, and a "path of least resistance" that leads most people to stop funding properly. By your 70s, the annual insurance cost skyrockets while your cash value evaporates. The company transfers risk back to you—the opposite of what insurance should do.
Whole life insurance has guaranteed increases, true downside protection, unlimited upside potential, and a 200+ year track record. Don't mix protection, savings, and growth into one product. Keep them separate. Think in years, measure in weeks. And whatever you do, don't "IUL" your financial future.
Chapters:
00:00 - Opening segment
01:44 - Kyle Busch
$8.5M IUL lawsuit introduced
03:51 - How did this happen? Bobby Samuelson article breakdown
05:43 - Agent structured policy to maximize his compensation
07:21 - Why celebrity cases expose industry-wide problems
09:19 - How IULs work: cap rates, floors, participation rates
13:07 - The mortality charge death spiral explained
14:32 - Real client story
18:32 - Why policies collapse in your 70s and 80s
20:18 - Net amount at risk breakdown
22:11 - IULs transfer risk back to you (opposite of insurance)
22:54 - Protect, Save, Grow: Don't mix them
26:13 - Why IULs exist and why they fail
28:17 - Whole life dividends vs IUL flexibility traps
32:52 - Proper protection across all life areas
35:12 - Long-term thinking vs optimization traps
38:17 - Conservative approach to new growth strategies
40:12 - Don't "IUL" your trading or life insurance
42:30 - Closing segment
Key Takeaways:
Kyle Busch lost $8.5M of $10.5M in premiums in an IUL—brings national attention to product failure rates
IULs have cap rates (max return), floors (usually 0%), and participation rates—but companies can change caps anytime
90%+ of IULs collapse because of human behavior traps and rising mortality charges in later years
IULs charge monthly mortality based on net amount at risk—when policy underperforms, charges increase
Insurance should transfer risk to the company—IULs transfer risk back to you
Whole life has guaranteed increases every year, true downside protection, unlimited upside potential, and 200+ year track record
Don't mix protection, savings, and growth—keep them separate and intentional
Think in years, measure in weeks—stay conservative even when you find better strategies
Only time to "buy term and invest the difference": when your only other option is an IUL
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E71 - Your Greatest Asset: Six Money Moves to Harness Your Potential
2025/10/31
Most people fail with money because they're stuck in extremes. Underwhelmed by the same old advice like "save more, spend less, lock it away and hope compound interest saves the day." The truth is simple: You are the asset. Your ability to create value is the greatest investment you'll ever have. This episode breaks down Garrett Gunderson's framework for the six money moves that actually matter. Stop locking money away in qualified plans. Stop self-insuring when you should transfer risk. Stop overpaying taxes as a W-2 employee with only 8 deductions when business owners access 475. Focus on cash flow assets that let you live today while building wealth for tomorrow. The penalty for following broken financial philosophies is permanent, but aligning your plan with who you are brings freedom sooner than you think.
Chapters:
00:25 - Opening Segment
04:55 - Why most people fail with money
06:35 - You are the greatest asset
08:15 - The underwhelming advice: save, spend less, lock it away
10:35 - Spend less is capped - grow yourself as an asset instead
14:50 - Overwhelmed by conflicting tips
19:05 - Teaching value creation
20:20 - Step 1: Automate and build liquidity with whole life
23:20 - Daily burn rate calculation method (263 days liquidity example)
26:50 - Step 2: Transfer risk, don't self-insure
29:05 - Pacific Palisades fires: Self-insurance myth exposed
33:15 - Step 3: Estate and entity structure (trusts vs wills)
39:35 - Step 4: Stop tipping the government
41:05 - 8 deductions vs 475: W-2 employees vs business owners
43:55 - Sourdough bread business example
45:50 - Step 5: Invest in alignment with your investor DNA
46:25 - Get to vs have to - does it feel like noise?
50:00 - Step 6: Focus on cash flow, not accumulation
54:45 - Living today while building for tomorrow
57:20 - Closing Segment
Key Takeaways:
You are your greatest asset - ability to create value is the greatest investment you'll ever have
Standard advice (save more, spend less, hope for compound interest) keeps you broke
Step 1: Automate liquidity using whole life as emergency fund - calculate daily burn rate to know exact days of liquidity
Step 2: Self-insurance is a myth - transfer catastrophic risk to insurance companies for pennies on the dollar
Step 3: Get trust in place to avoid probate - if you don't have estate plan, government has one for you
Step 4: W-2 employees have 8 tax deductions, business owners with EIN have 475 - create business entity now
Step 5: Invest in your investor DNA - ask "do I GET to do this or HAVE to do this?"
Step 6: Focus on cash flow assets, not buy-and-hold accumulation in qualified plans
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B-Lee77 2025/10/16
Master Your Money
I’ve been following them since they started and listened to every episode. I’m currently working policies for my family with Hans. These guys know the...
jonw5719 2025/01/03
Absolute Must Listen Podcast
I’ve been through the Covid nightmare alongside Brian Moody and Hans Toohey, and let me assure you there’s not a more competent, self-educated, and fr...
Bargetto. 2024/11/11
Great Podcast-A Must Listen
This is a great podcast. If you’re curious about what America would look like if government was small, at the mercy Of The People, and working FOR The...
Oilcan the great 2024/09/06
Great Infinite Banking Podcast
If you want better than Wall Street and have a safer return, listen to these guys.
MooreMotivated 2024/08/26
The Right Stuff
At the end of the day, Brian Moody is trustworthy and competent to entrust with your financial future.
I believe I have begun to grasp his concept an...
Guthmyster24 2024/08/10
Fantastic!
This is the most interesting podcast talking about IBC that I have found. Hans and Brian are entertaining and bring a great perspective to reevaluatin...
GP Hanson 2024/07/29
Change your financial mindset
What a fantastic podcast to help grow your mindset about personal finances and wealth. All the episodes are filled with valuable information. Can’t wa...
Steel standing steel strong 2024/07/25
Excellent Podcast!
One episode in and I am hooked. Incredibly informative podcast that has me rethinking the system I’ve always been a part of. Will continue to listen t...
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Fantastic!
Very informative podcast. I thought I already knew what it was going to be about until I started listening. Learned a lot in just the first episode. L...
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Better Late Than Never
This information is fantastic and necessary to wisely steward your resources for yourself and the next generation. I wish I had it 20 years ago, but p...
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