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In Guillermo del Toro's adaptation of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley's Frankenstein, Oscar Isaac stars as Dr. Frankenstein who toils away in his lab to create life from inanimate objects, resulting in his creation, his creature portrayed by Jacob Elordi who becomes a victim hell-bent on revenge. Jessica Barness may not have worked on the movie, but she's a big fan and joins the show to talk about characters and production design, as well as magic, fantasy, mythology, and genre. Is Frankenstein a horror movie, tragedy, science fiction? Perhaps it's a genre mashup? And what about a sequel to this? What could happen, or would not happen, if there's a continuation of del Toro's movie? - Professor Jessica Barness studies how designers talk about the work they do, and makes work that reflects on it. She's written about design discourse, collage, flexi-disc vinyl records, and reader perceptions, while also making digital machines and offbeat low-res videos. She writes loudly, if less officially, at The Quiet Design Scholar. She is a Professor of Visual Communication Design at Kent State University, where she coordinates graduate studies and teaches design research and professional practices. https://www.jessicabarness.com/ https://jessicabarness.substack.com/ https://www.whatscholarshiplookslike.net/ https://www.kent.edu/vcd/profile/jessica-barness - Frankenstein (2025) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1312221/ https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/frankenstein-ending-explained - Mary Wollstonecraft: Britain's first feminist, via BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/articles/zkpk382 - Other movies discussed: The Bride! (2026) The Devil's Backbone (2001) Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio (2022) Monty Python's Meaning of Life (1983) Nosferatu (2024) The Odyssey (2026) Pan's Labyrinth (2006) Prometheus (2012) The Shape of Water (2017) Until the End of the World (1991)

In this bonus episode, production designer Debbie De Villa talks about her work on Strangeland (1998) and where it sits in relation to SE7EN (1995) and Saw (2004). Strangeland stars Dee Snider (of Twisted Sister), Elizabeth Peña, Robert Englund, and Linda Cardellini (from Scooby-Doo, Freaks and Geeks, as well as DTF St. Louis and the new series Crystal Lake based on Friday the 13th). In Strangeland, a stalker uses the internet to ensnare teenagers, who are kidnapped and put through painful rituals that bring the stalker pleasure. Actor Kevin Gage (who played Waingro in Heat) is the detective who will not stop until the stalker is apprehended. Debbie also talks about the notion of conformity in filmmaking, and movies that visually come from an emotional place. - As a teenager, when production designer Debbie De Villa saw an exhibition with work by set designers and production designers that was full of sketches, models, and works in progress, she knew she wanted to work in film. Studying set design for theatre gave her the hands-on experience she needed to embark on a career in movies. https://www.debbiedevilla.com/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0212139/ - Strangeland (1998) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124102/ - Other movies and shows discussed: Crystal Lake (2026-) Escape from New York (1981) Friday the 13th (1980, 2009) Heat (1995) The Last Laugh (1924) Love the Hard Way (2001) A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984, 2010) Nostalgia (1983) Saw (2004) SE7EN (1995) Ulee's Gold (1997) Wings of Desire (1987)

Debbie De Villa has decades of experience as a production designer on dozens of films, including but not limited to Caddo Lake (2024) and Trap (2024). Caddo Lake tells a twisty story with a sprawling narrative that intertwines family members in ways they never imagined. In M. Night Shyamalan's Trap, a father and daughter attend a pop concert but as the evening goes on, the anxiety builds and things quickly unravel for everyone including the pop star. Debbie joins the show to talk about bringing words in the script to life, why being resourceful matters in filmmaking, and taking the audience for a ride. - As a teenager, when Debbie De Villa saw an exhibition with work by set designers and production designers that was full of sketches, models, and works in progress, she knew she wanted to work in film. Studying set design for theatre gave her the hands-on experience she needed to embark on a career in movies. https://www.debbiedevilla.com/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0212139/ - Caddo Lake (2024) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15552142/ - Other movies discussed: Backfire! (1995) The Burbs (1989) Lake Placid (1999) Love the Hard Way (2001) Strangeland (1998) Trap (2024) Ulee's Gold (1997)

Sharing October updates, so you can learn about each guest and their movie, and watch or re-watch their movie of choice before you hear upcoming episodes. NOTE: there may be a Spooky Movie Theme here, we are near Halloween after all. - SCREAM (1996) with Matt Manos, who may not have worked on the movie but knows it backwards & forwards and has a lot to say about how masks are not only very necessary for each SCREAM killer but we discuss how masks also play a role in what designers do. https://www.mattmanos.com/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117571 - THE SUBSTANCE (2024) with Miriam Schulman who loves the movie and the dark take on what it means to be an artist. Miriam is author of "Artpreneur: The Step-by-Step Guide to Making a Sustainable Living From Your Creativity" and Host of The Inspiration Place. https://www.theinspirationplace.net/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17526714/ - CADDO LAKE (2024) with production designer Debbie De Villa who talks about what makes working in film fun, and we also discuss her earlier work on movies like STRANGELAND (1998), plus we touch on the M. Night Shyamalan movie TRAP (2024) and her contributions that shaped TRAP's look & feel. https://www.debbiedevilla.com/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15552142 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124102/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26753003/ - FRANKENSTEIN (2025) with professor, designer, and horror fan Jessica Barness who returns to the show having already dissected (sorry for the slashing suggestion, I mean she analyzed) NOSFERATU (2024) on a prior season of the show. https://jessicabarness.com/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1312221/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5040012/

Dr. George Ellis, who in addition to being a urologist is a producer making movies, has won plenty of awards in the film festival circuit. For his second time visiting the show, Dr. George talks about filmmaking as equal parts design thinking and social experimentation, and why as a producer it's important to have a methodical approach. Plus, learn about his film Starstruck, and what movies have impacted him, such as A Clockwork Orange with its modern take on violence fused with classical music. - Dr. George Ellis, MD is an award-winning filmmaker who has won multiple awards through his production company Coronado Beach Productions at several film festivals. Most recently, his film Starstruck was selected to be shown at the Central Florida Film Festival. He also won awards at the Tampa Bay Underground film festival and won the award for best Indie Short Film at the New York Movie Awards for his film The Eden Trials. George is an American Physician and Urologic Surgeon, and has been published numerous times in the scientific literature and now dedicates his medical skills to the under-insured as a volunteer. https://www.CoronadoBeachProductions.com https://www.imdb.com/name/nm15501484/ - Starstruck (2026) https://youtu.be/ha0N2HRNcyg - Mortal Sin (2025) https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EeFd3cDDA/ https://youtu.be/FH36AiDPNnE?si=WcfuL48wb-plUw7s - Dr. George's first guest spot (2025) from Season 2 https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/mortal-sin-2025-dr-george-ellis - Other movies and shows discussed: A Clockwork Orange (1971) Coma (1978) The Great Train Robbery (1978) M*A*S*H (1970) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) The Verdict (1982)

David Cronenberg's The Fly (1986) stars Jeff Goldblum as Seth Brundle, a brilliant scientist who creates a teleportation process. Geena Davis, who was Goldblum's real-life partner during the filming, plays the ambitious journalist Veronica who falls in love with Brundle. Cronenberg's remake of the 1958 movie (which was based on a 1957 short story) packs a lot in, getting right to the mad scientist's lab then plenty of body horror. Brundle, who teleports himself during a drunken pity party, did so with a fly on board. Since the computer doesn't know what to do with these two separate entities, it fuses them, resulting in Brundlefly, and utter tragedy. Daisy Koenig, a graduate of Winthrop University's design program, talks about what makes Cronenberg's The Fly so memorable and why unhappy endings are the best kind. When she's not rewatching The Fly or any of Cronenberg's other movies, Daisy works as a graphic designer for The Ben Silver Corporation in Charleston. Having debuted in 1986, The Fly turned 40 this year and it's the perfect way to kick off scary movie season. This episode originally appeared on an earlier season of the podcast. - Daisy Koenig, a graduate of Winthrop University's design program, is a designer for The Ben Silver Corporation in Charleston, SC. She's also an accomplished muralist and illustrator for a variety of clients. https://daisykoenig.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/daisykoe/ https://www.instagram.com/daisykoenigart/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-ben-silver-corporation/ - The Fly (1986) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091064/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000343/‍ ‍ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051622/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0486228/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Langelaan - Other movies and shows discussed: Alien (1979) Beetlejuice (1988) The Brood (1979) Call Me by Your Name (2017) Cosmopolis (2012) Dead Ringers (1988) eXistenZ (1999) Frankenstein (2025) The Fly (1958) The Fury (1978) Hereditary (2018) Hostel (2005) The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (2004) The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) Saw (2004) Scanners (1981) Spider (2002) Videodrome (1983) Wicked (2024)

Raiders of the Lost Ark captivated audiences on the big screen 45 years ago, today the movie feels just as fresh, exciting, and mesmerizing. Teacher, treasure hunter, preserver of rare antiquities Indiana Jones goes on a quest for the Ark of the Covenant, battling Nazis and his nemesis Belloq. But Indy can't do it alone, and has support from Karen Allen as Marion and John Ryhs-Davies as Sallah and George Harris as Katanga. For fashion designer Dan Stroupe, the movie has special meaning. Indy Influences are present in his brand and collections, notably the elements of travel since every collection of Dan's is based on a place he has been. With each collection he designs, and each garment and accessory created, Dan strives to inspire wonder and adventure through fashion. - Dan Stroupe is the founder of Oak & Audubon, an accessories and made-to-order clothing brand and labor of love. As its chief designer, he brings decades of experience in luxury retail, custom clothing, and creative direction to his fashion label. Born in Charlotte, NC on Old Oak Lane, Stroupe has lived in New York City on Audubon Avenue for over a decade. While the brand's namesake is based on places he has called home, Oak & Audubon evokes the pleasures and joys of travel, something Stroupe has been fortunate to experience all his life, having travelled all over the world. Stroupe has a degree in Illustration, has worked for many years as a graphic designer and art director, all while working in the luxury clothing industry. He cut his teeth at Bloomingdales on 59th Street, eventually moving to world renowned shirtmakers Turnbull & Asser where he spent over a decade serving business tycoons, actors, politicians, and royalty. While at Turnbull & Asser he managed their bespoke services in the New York Townhouse and the By Appointment trunk shows for North America, as well as internationally. Currently, along with Oak & Audubon, Stroupe is now back in ready to wear full time, managing the Men's Loro Piana business at Bergdorf Goodman. And he's designing a new menswear collection for a new completely American Made label debuting next spring. https://oakandaudubon.com https://instagram.com/oakandaudubon - Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) https://imdb.com/title/tt0082971/ https://esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a25848350/indiana-jones-style-fashion-outfits/ - Other movies discussed: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) Star Wars: A New Hope (1977)

You want more? YOU GOT IT! Plenty of tangents, arts and crafts talk, and more swear words than usual make this bonus episode go to eleven (apologies to Nigel Tufnel). In addition to more One Crazy Summer thoughts, hear Jason's pugs barking, learn about synthesizers & MIDI & PageMaker, how to organize your movies, packing and moving, murals, paint and emotion, beer can designs, sketchbooks versus laptops, NYC's Strand Book Store, and Bill Murray's brother Joel. This re-released episode originally appeared on Season 1 of the show. - A Southern, Jewish-American originally from New York, Mike Wirth is artist-in-residence with the Stan Greenspon Center for Holocaust and Social Justice Education, and full Professor of Graphic Design at Queens University of Charlotte. As an educator and community builder, Wirth's work focuses on social justice and identity, fusing complex and personal issues and influences into his art. He's led projects with Jewish federations across the US, has had How Our Laws are Made featured on The Daily Show blog, is the author of Hiddur Olam, a Torah art book, and is the host of The Jewish futurism Lab podcast where Jewish tradition meets design, technology, and speculative imagination, with each episode blending story, studio practice, and future-thinking. mikewirthart.com/ instagram.com/mikewirth/ mikewirthart.com/podcasts/the-jewish-futurism-lab/ - One Crazy Summer (1986) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091680/ - LETTERBOXD Season 3 https://boxd.it/UxwBk - contact us https://www.designersonfilm.com/hollaback

Although our guest Mike Wirth didn't work on 1986's One Crazy Summer, he loves the movie for all the right reasons. Guilty pleasure? Not quite, according to Wirth who wonders, "Why couldn't John Cusack's Hoops McCann have been Hoops Leibowitz?" In addition to One Crazy Summer, we discuss whammy animations, world-in-world experiences, Better Off Dead, Grosse Pointe Blank, Singles, Chainsaw Date and Hemorrhoids from Hell, Bobcat Goldthwait, comic book icons Archie and Betty and Veronica, and The Goonies, plus silly sequel and prequel ideas for One Crazy Summer. This re-released episode originally appeared on Season 1 of the show. - As an educator and community builder, Wirth's work focuses on social justice and identity, fusing complex and personal issues and influences into his art. He's led projects with Jewish federations across the US, has had How Our Laws are Made featured on The Daily Show blog, is the author of Hiddur Olam, a Torah art book, and is the host of The Jewish futurism Lab podcast where Jewish tradition meets design, technology, and speculative imagination, with each episode blending story, studio practice, and future-thinking. Wirth is artist-in-residence with the Stan Greenspon Center for Holocaust and Social Justice Education, and full Professor of Graphic Design at Queens University of Charlotte. mikewirthart.com/ instagram.com/mikewirth/ mikewirthart.com/podcasts/the-jewish-futurism-lab/ - One Crazy Summer (1986) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091680/ - Other movies and shows discussed: Better Off Dead (1985) The Goonies (1985) Grosse Pointe Blank (1997) Singles (1992) - about the podcast https://www.designersonfilm.com/frequently-asked-questions - LETTERBOXD Season 3 https://boxd.it/UxwBk - LETTERBOXD Season 2 https://boxd.it/Kkuik - LETTERBOXD Season 1 https://boxd.it/xfW8K - contact us https://www.designersonfilm.com/hollaback

Noah Smith is a multidisciplinary visual storyteller specializing in UX design. With a background in film, Noah's also a big, big fan of Ferris Bueller's Day Off, the 1986 comedy that's also full of action, drama, and sprawling musical numbers. Ferris, an extremely popular teenager, skips school and with his best friend Cameron and his girlfriend Sloane, they embark on a series of adventures. What about the possibility of Ferris being a figment of Cameron's imagination, the so-called Fight Club theory? And how does Ferris connect to Spider-Man? Plus, the movie's small but memorable baseball moments make it perfect for the month of March and Major League Baseball's season openers. - Noah Smith's true love for all things 80s includes some pretty rad engagement photos that made their way into People and Huffpost. An accomplished woodworker, he's designed tables, bowls, cutting boards, spoons, and everything in-between, a hobby he began in 2020. For a few years in college he produced music (under the name, Hard Mix) and eventually signed to a record label. https://www.noahdanielsmith.com/ https://www.instagram.com/noahdanielsmith/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/omg-these-80s-themed-engagement-pics_n_5978cffce4b0e201d57a8f96 https://people.com/human-interest/couple-80s-throwback-engagement-pics/ - Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098795/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/why-ferris-bueller-never-existed/327276/ https://www.businessinsider.com/the-ferris-bueller-fight-club-theory-and-other-fan-conspiracies-sending-people-on-reddit-into-a-tailspin-2015-6 https://www.slashfilm.com/503532/the-ferris-bueller-fight-club-theory/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMuj85ngEo https://theweek.com/speedreads/540187/john-hughes-wrote-ferris-buellers-day-6-days-79-other-facts-about-80s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rose_House - Pop culture discussed https://www.bustle.com/p/the-ferris-bueller-reference-in-spider-man-homecoming-you-mightve-missed-68654 https://typographica.org/on-typography/corbis-buys-veer-whither-the-fonts/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooney_(band) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcazL5yNukw - Other movies and shows discussed: Alfie (1966) Deadpool (2016) Fight Club (1999) Hello Dolly! (1969) The Matrix (1999) Napoleon Dynamite (2004) Point Break (1991) Pretty in Pink (1986) Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) Toy Story 5 (2026) WALL-E (2008) WarGames (1983) Weird Science (1985)

Season 3 will have more great guests and more great discussions about movies, including Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein, and Capra's It's a Wonderful Life, among others. See this episode's notes for links to our LETTERBOXD with each season's films collected season by season. Plus, you can contact us to recommend a movie, suggest a guest, or nominate yourself as a guest. Remember! Subscribe AND provide a review of the show wherever you listen to podcasts! - about the podcast: https://www.designersonfilm.com/frequently-asked-questions - LETTERBOXD Season 3 https://boxd.it/UxwBk - LETTERBOXD Season 2 https://boxd.it/Kkuik - LETTERBOXD Season 1 https://boxd.it/xfW8K - contact us, online form: https://www.designersonfilm.com/hollaback - contact us, hotline, text or voicemail: 704-681-6880

We've done it again, made it through another season of DESIGNERS ON FILM. Having just finished Season 2, here are highlights and episodes of note. - Sam Beddoes, who developed a video game based on The Rocky Horror Show, talked about the movie, aka The Rocky Horror Picture Show. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/the-rocky-horror-picture-show-1975-w-sam Leading up to Halloween in 2025, we continued our Spooky Cinema theme with plenty of new additions, Season 1 and 2 are collected at… https://www.designersonfilm.com/scares/ Erik Wiese discussed the work that went into Snoopy Presents: A Summer Musical, and how design played a role in this fun, heartwarming movie that honors Charles Schulz and Schulz's development as an artist. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/snoopy-presents-a-summer-musical-2025-with-erik-wiese Guests Scott Amyx and Cameron Tau analyzed David Fincher's The Social Network and critiqued the ways Facebook has caused disruptions impacting people at a very human level. But, the Uplifty app Scott and his team developed aims to do something very different, helping people build relationships. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/the-social-network-2010-with-scott-amyx-and-cameron-tau University of Washington's Professor Karen Cheng recalled seeing Working Girl for the first time, and explained what makes it such a fun, rewatchable movie. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/working-girl-1988-with-karen-cheng Christie Wu, who introduced me to the movie Clockwatchers, analyzed its well-composed cinematography. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/clockwatchers-1997-with-christie-wu Designer and filmmaker Sofia Cababa Wood, who has always loved Marie Antoinette, shared her own personal connections to Sofia Coppola's movie. https://www.designersonfilm.com/podcast/marie-antoinette-2006-with-sofia-cababa-wood‍ ‍ DESIGNERS ON FILM is available on Amazon, Apple, iHeart, Spotify, or wherever you enjoy podcasts. Do you have a question about the show? A guest to recommend? A movie or movies you'd like to learn more about? See this episode's notes and the link to our contact form. We'll be off for a few weeks. I hope you watch plenty of movies this summer!! I sure will! - CONTACT US https://www.designersonfilm.com/hollaback - We're on LETTERBOXD Season 3 https://boxd.it/UxwBk - Season 2 https://boxd.it/Kkuik‍ ‍ - Season 1 https://boxd.it/xfW8K

In this bonus episode, you'll hear more from Sofia Cababa Wood who discusses Marie Antoinette, its themes, and movies that would pair well with it. Antoinette was ruled by her circumstances, but the 2006 movie shows us a more personal side, all while avoiding graphic imagery of her ultimate demise. We also talk about the funny, entertaining MTV Cribs parody that Jason Schwartzman did which appears on the DVD's special features. - Sofia Cababa Wood is a Seattle-based product designer at eBay. She received her Bachelor's Degree in Visual Communication Design from the University of Washington in 2020. She cut her teeth at various design studios, with a specialty in data visualization. Her experiences living in the Netherlands, Japan, and South Korea have shaped her as a designer and helped her view her work through a systems-centered lens. These days, she also makes and sells pottery! https://www.sofiacababawood.com/ https://scwstoneware.com/‍ ‍ - Marie Antoinette (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0422720/ https://www.instagram.com/reels/DNY8hQuSOyU/ - Other movies and shows discussed: Barry Lyndon (1975) The Bear (2022-) The Beguiled (2017) The Bling Ring (2013) Bodies Bodies Bodies (2022) Bottoms (2023) Bride of Frankenstein (1935) Bridgerton (2020-) The Great (2020-2023) Her (2013) Lost in Translation (2003) Pride and Prejudice (2005) Priscilla (2023) The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) Shiva Baby (2020) Somewhere (2010) The Virgin Suicides (1999)

Based on Lady Antonia Fraser's 2001 biography and directed by Sofia Coppola, the 2006 Oscar-winning movie Marie Antoinette portrays the queen in a way you might not expect, making her a relatable person, a teenager who becomes a leader, coping with life's ups and downs all while trying to have some fun too. The stylistic flair and visual embellishments (watch for a pair of Converse sneakers) make plenty of scenes feel like a dessert tray thanks to the friendly, sweet color choices and Milena Canonero's work which won a 2007 Oscar for Best Achievement in Costume Design. Designer Sofia Cababa Wood has always loved the movie and as a teenager reenacted moments while visiting France, it's a movie the Seattle-based product designer at eBay definitely watches once a year. - Sofia Cababa Wood is a Seattle-based product designer at eBay. She received her Bachelor's Degree in Visual Communication Design from the University of Washington in 2020. She cut her teeth at various design studios, with a specialty in data visualization. Her experiences living in the Netherlands, Japan, and South Korea have shaped her as a designer and helped her view her work through a systems-centered lens. These days, she also makes and sells pottery! https://www.sofiacababawood.com/ https://scwstoneware.com/ - Marie Antoinette (2006) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0422720/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DO8szHyCH91/ https://www.history.com/articles/marie-antoinette https://variety.com/2006/film/awards/marie-antoinette-4-1200515977/ https://letterboxd.com/journal/marie-antoinette-retrospective-deep-impact/‍ ‍ https://www.vulture.com/2013/06/defense-of-sofia-coppolas-marie-antoinette.html - Other movies and shows discussed: Barry Lyndon (1975) The Bear (2022-) The Beguiled (2017) The Bling Ring (2013) Bridgerton (2020-) The Favourite (2018) The Great (2020-2023) Lost in Translation (2003) Priscilla (2023) Somewhere (2010) The Virgin Suicides (1999)

Designer Christie Wu shares more thoughts about Clockwatchers (1997), talking about iconic, memorable, and funny scenes. Starring Toni Collette, Parker Posey, Lisa Kudrow, and Alanna Ubach, Clockwatchers tells the story of four female temp workers struggling to get through each day of their 9 to 5 job. - Christie Wu is a concept-driven designer working at the intersection of culture, design, and technology. Specializing in digital and interactive design, she crafts playful interactions and inventive visual stories that reverse expectations and bring joy to everyday experiences. At DEPT, she has designed for Twitch, eBay, Nordstrom, E*Trade, and Ariana Grande Fragrances. Her work has been recognized by PrintMag, Loadmo.re, and WeDirectory. Her personal project, Wandering Wombs, rebrands menstrual health visually, conceptually, and culturally. Launched in November 2024, it weaves together education, innovative design, and community engagement to empower individuals and spark meaningful conversations about the menstrual cycle. https://christiewu.design/ https://christiewu.fun/index.html - Clockwatchers (1997) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118866 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHACMZl4ud0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taf5HhMAmOI