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Before the standards, before the safety protocols, there was a different era of rescue swimmer — and Kevin Trainor lived through all of it. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Kevin Trainor shares his years of service in the U.S. Navy, most of them as an Aviation Rescue Swimmer, starting out as a teenage Sea Cadet in Sonoma, California, and going through SAR School years before the Marecki tragedy changed the pipeline forever. Kevin takes us through a forward-deployed tour in the Philippines that few people talk about: flying armed into a U.S. embassy during multiple coup attempts, responding to the 1990 Baguio earthquake, and living through the eruption of Mount Pinatubo and a Category 5 typhoon back to back — flying rescues in total ash-out conditions with almost no sleep and no clean water. Kevin also opens up about the weight that built up over those years — including hoisting out a friend and fellow aviator who didn't survive a crash — and the toll it eventually took on him. He talks candidly about reaching the point where he had to walk away from flying, the drinking that followed, and the faith-based veteran recovery programs that brought him back from it, including the loss of a close friend to suicide that still drives his advocacy today. In this episode: Starting out in the Sea Cadet program and choosing aviation over the SEAL teamsGoing through SAR School in the era before the Marecki tragedy changed the training pipelineA forward-deployed tour in the Philippines during multiple coup attempts against MarcosFlying armed Marine security details into the U.S. embassy under threatResponding to the 1990 Baguio earthquake and years of medevac work across LuzonFlying through the eruption of Mount Pinatubo and a Category 5 typhoon in the same stretchThe toll of losing a fellow aviator — and the moment he knew he had to stop flyingRebuilding through faith and veteran recovery programs like Mighty Oaks and Operation Restored WarriorWhy asking for help is the hardest and most important step a warrior can takeKevin Trainor's story is a window into an earlier, rougher era of the rescue swimmer community — and a reminder that no matter how hard the mission was, the hardest fight sometimes comes after it's over. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 67 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinsonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer, #NavyRescueSwimmer, #AviationRescueSwimmer, #CalmInTheChaos, #KevinTrainor, #Philippines, #MountPinatubo, #BaguioEarthquake, #MightyOaksWarriors, #OperationRestoredWarrior, #VeteranRecovery, #PTSDAwareness, #FaithOverFear, #USNavy, #NavyVeteran, #MilitaryVeteran, #VeteranHealth, #SoOthersMayLive, #SearchAndRescue, #SAR, #MilitaryPodcast, #VeteranStories, #ResiliencePodcast, #MilitaryResilience, #LeadershipUnderFire, #MentalToughness, #ServiceAndSacrifice, #BrianDickinson, #VeteranPodcast

Some rescue swimmers wait years for the call. Chris Allen waited 11 — and when it finally came, it was two fighter pilots floating in the dark Pacific after an ejection gone sideways. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Chris Allen shares 18 years of service as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer with HSC6 — a career that started as a California kid who grew up BMX racing in the poorer parts of Orange County, nearly didn't make it into the Navy over a DUI, and ended up on the ground in Japan during the 2011 tsunami, loading relief helicopters with a broken wrist. Chris talks candidly about the darkest chapter of his career — the HSC8 helicopter mishap that killed two pilots and a fellow crewman, the memorial flight where he dropped roses at the crash site, and what it's like when a mishap isn't something that happened to another squadron, but to your own. And then there's the night everything changed: a squawking emergency no one told them about, two ejected F/A-18 pilots adrift at sea, and Chris finally getting the rescue he'd waited over a decade for. In this episode: 18 years of service as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer, currently with HSC6A California childhood of BMX racing, skateboarding, and a DUI that almost ended his Navy career before it beganDeploying to Japan during the 2011 tsunami and earthquake relief effort — with a broken wristThe HSC8 helicopter mishap: a ground resonance crash that killed two pilots and a crewmanFlying the memorial flight and dropping roses at the crash siteA night plane guard shift that turned into a real-world rescue after 11 years of waitingRecovering two ejected F/A-18 crew from the open ocean in the darkWhat it means to carry the "thank you for your service" line when the job still feels like just a job18 years, nearly 4,000 flight hours, and weighing what comes after the NavyChris Allen's story is a reminder that most of a rescue swimmer's career isn't the headline moment — it's showing up every day so that when the call finally comes, you're ready. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 66 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinsonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer, #NavyRescueSwimmer, #AviationRescueSwimmer, #CalmInTheChaos, #ChrisAllen, #HSC6, #HelicopterMishap, #MemorialFlight, #TsunamiRelief, #EjectionSeat, #OpenOceanRescue, #NavyAircrew, #USNavy, #NavyVeteran, #MilitaryVeteran, #SearchAndRescue, #SAR, #MilitaryPodcast, #VeteranStories, #ResiliencePodcast, #MilitaryResilience, #LeadershipUnderFire, #MentalToughness, #ServiceAndSacrifice, #BrianDickinson, #VeteranPodcast, #CarrierAviation

Not every rescue swimmer's story is about the water. Some of the most important ones are about who gets built in the schoolhouse. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, newly retired Senior Chief Jeff Plowman looks back on 26 years and 10 deployments as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer — a career that started with a recruiter's pitch to "jump out of helicopters" and ended full circle, back at Pensacola's Aviation Rescue Swimmer School, this time running it as the Leading Chief Petty Officer. Jeff opens up about a DUI that nearly ended his Navy career, the senior leaders who fought to keep him in, and how that second chance shaped him into the instructor who trained the next generation of swimmers. From surviving his own SAR School training to becoming the guy marching students down the seawall, Jeff's story is a study in what leadership actually looks like inside one of the toughest pipelines in the military. In this episode: 26 years of service and 10 deployments as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue SwimmerGrowing up a Navy dental tech's son who swore he'd never join — then didLife as a SAR instructor at Pensacola, learning from legends like Petty Officer Will YoungA DUI that nearly ended his career — and the leaders who stood up for himDeploying overseas with HSC squadrons out of Naples, ItalyComing back to Rescue Swimmer School as Leading Chief Petty Officer — full circleHow training has evolved from 1993 to 2026, and why the standard hasn't droppedHis message to the next generation of rescue swimmer candidates: just don't quit Jeff Plowman never got the dramatic open-ocean rescue — but he spent 26 years making sure the next swimmer would be ready for theirs. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 65 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast: Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CalmintheChaosPodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecalminthechaospodcast/ Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer, #NavyRescueSwimmer, #AviationRescueSwimmer, #CalmInTheChaos, #JeffPlowman, #SeniorChief, #SARInstructor, #RescueSwimmerSchool, #Pensacola, #NavyLeadership, #SecondChances, #FullCircle, #NavyRetirement, #USNavy, #NavyVeteran, #MilitaryVeteran, #SearchAndRescue, #SAR, #MilitaryPodcast, #VeteranStories, #ResiliencePodcast, #MilitaryResilience, #LeadershipUnderFire, #MentalToughness, #ServiceAndSacrifice, #BrianDickinson, #VeteranPodcast, #DontQuit

A Navy SEAL missed the deck during a night fast-rope insertion, and it fell to Shane Hallesy to go in after him—one small piece of a career that spans Navy rescue swimmer, Army Blackhawk pilot, and federal law enforcement aviator. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Shane Hallesy shares 5 years as a Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer followed by 30-plus years in the Army National Guard—flying Blackhawk medevac missions over western Iraq embedded with the Marines, changing tactics mid-deployment to keep from getting shot down, and later flying maritime interdiction for Customs and Border Protection in Puerto Rico. In this episode: Hoisting down at night to rescue a Navy SEAL who missed the deck during a fast-rope insertionTransitioning from Navy rescue swimmer to Army Blackhawk pilotFlying dust-off medevac missions over western Iraq with the MarinesFlying into a sandstorm during his first days in-countryA mass casualty response in Fallujah and learning to vary his approach to avoid getting shot atStruggling to assimilate after deployment—and finding a second calling flying law enforcement missions for CBP and the Department of Transportation From the flight deck to the desert to the border, Shane Hallesy never stopped being the guy who goes in after people. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 63 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast: Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer, #NavyRescueSwimmer, #AviationRescueSwimmer, #CalmInTheChaos, #IraqWar, #BlackhawkPilot, #DustOff, #Medevac, #NationalGuard, #ArmyNationalGuard, #SearchAndRescue, #SAR, #NavySEAL, #USNavy, #NavyVeteran, #MilitaryVeteran, #CustomsAndBorderProtection, #LawEnforcement, #SoOthersMayLive, #MilitaryPodcast, #VeteranStories, #ResiliencePodcast, #ServiceAndSacrifice, #BrianDickinson, #VeteranPodcast, #HonorTheFallen

Scott Haskell and his crewmate Tater have a standing joke: they're one of the only rescue swimmers who ever rescued a rescue swimmer. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Anthony Haskell shares 20 years in Naval Aviation—from a 100-mile scramble to recover a downed EA-6B crew, to a secret six-day mission into Iraq to bring home an ejected F-18 pilot, to a flight deck wire-snap that nearly took his crew out and earned his aircraft a painted purple heart. After the Navy, he kept saving lives as a drill instructor, combat pool instructor, police officer, and lifeguard trainer. In this episode: The 100-mile scramble to recover a downed EA-6B crew—and the "rescued a rescue swimmer" story that followedA secret six-day mission into Iraq to search for a downed F-18 pilotFinding him in a salt lake near Karbala—and the honor guard that met the aircraftA flight deck wire-snap during an F-18 ejection that injured deck crew and earned his helicopter a painted purple heartBecoming a drill instructor and training non-swimmers at the "combat pool"Earning his first official live rescue at HS-14 Two decades of recoveries, rescues, and near-misses—and a career that never stopped saving people, in or out of uniform. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 62 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast: Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #IraqWar #F18 #CSAR #SearchAndRescue #SAR #NavalAviation #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #FlightDeck #CarrierAviation #DrillInstructor #LawEnforcement #LifeguardInstructor #SoOthersMayLive #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #ResiliencePodcast #ServiceAndSacrifice #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast #HonorTheFallen #LeaveNoManBehind

A last-minute decision to re-enlist and go home to get married kept Bryan Huggett off the USS Stark—just months before it was struck by two Iraqi Exocet missiles. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Bryan shares 20 years of service split between the U.S. Navy and the Michigan Army National Guard: flying tanker escorts through Persian Gulf minefields during the Iran-Iraq War, rescuing a flipped Zodiac while sharks circled below, and later trading Navy wings for a decade as a Huey crew chief fighting wildfires and training Navy SEALs for Afghanistan. In this episode: The twist of fate that kept him off the USS Stark before it was hit by two Exocet missilesFlying tanker escort missions through Persian Gulf minefields during the Iran-Iraq WarThe night the USS Samuel B. Roberts hit a mine—and locking and loading on one of his ownRescuing a flipped Zodiac in the Atlantic, circled by sharksTrading Navy wings for a decade as a Huey crew chief in the Michigan Army National GuardTraining Navy SEAL Team 1 ahead of their deployment into Afghanistan Two branches, two decades, and one calm head no matter what got thrown at him. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 61 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast: Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #USSStark #PersianGulf #IranIraqWar #USSSamuelBRoberts #NavalAviation #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #MichiganNationalGuard #ArmyNationalGuard #HueyCrewChief #SearchAndRescue #SAR #SEALTeam #NeverForget #SoOthersMayLive #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #ResiliencePodcast #ServiceAndSacrifice #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast #HonorTheFallen

Collin Koss built a remarkable Navy career as a Rescue Swimmer, performing multiple rescues at sea before witnessing one of the most harrowing moments imaginable — an F/A-18 ejection that struck the back of the carrier. Later, Collin made the jump to officer, leading from the front and shaping the next generation of sailors. Now, with retirement on the horizon, he reflects on a career of service, sacrifice, and lessons that will last a lifetime. In this episode, Collin shares the highs and lows of his journey — from rescues in the fleet to the burden of command — and the perspective that only comes with decades in uniform. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST Episode 43 So Others May Live! 🫡🇺🇸 Keep Calm in the Chaos Merch (Link in bio or https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com) Military and First Responders get 10% discount with code: SARRESCUE10 applied at checkout 100% of proceeds go to support the podcast! #NavyRescueSwimmer #USNavy #HelicopterRescue #CombatRescue #MilitaryPodcast #NavalAviation #CarrierLife #F18 #RescueSwimmer #MilitaryLife #VeteranStories #SearchAndRescue #AviationPodcast #MilitaryHistory

Some warriors fight their battles in the ocean. Others fight them long after the uniform comes off. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Kevin McNease shares 20 years of service as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer—including a harrowing rescue in the South China Sea, pulling a Marine from the water who was still gripping his weapon, and one of the most terrifying mechanical failures imaginable: losing a helicopter door mid-flight—only to watch it shred through the rotor system. And then there's the battle he's fighting now. Kevin has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s. And he's facing it the same way he faced every mission—with courage, clarity, and calm in the chaos. In this episode: 20 years of service as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue SwimmerRescue in the South China SeaPulling a Marine from the water—still armed, still holding his weaponA helicopter door lost in flight—and what happened when it hit the rotorsMechanical failure at altitude with no margin for errorReceiving a Parkinson’s diagnosis after two decades of serviceWhat resilience really looks like when the mission becomes survival itselfThe mental and emotional weight carried by those who serve Kevin McNease gave 20 years to this nation. His story—every chapter of it—deserves to be heard. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 58  So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:  Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #Parkinsons #ParkinsonsWarrior #ParkinsonsAwareness #SouthChinaSea #NavyRescue #MarineCorps #HelicopterFailure #MechanicalFailure #NavalAviation #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #VeteranHealth #SoOthersMayLive #SearchAndRescue #SAR #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #ResiliencePodcast #MilitaryResilience #LeadershipUnderFire #MentalToughness #ServiceAndSacrifice #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast #HonorTheFallen

Some missions go wrong before they even begin. Others turn into something no one could have planned for. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Richard Swope shares his career as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer—including two of the most intense moments a rescue swimmer can face: surviving a helicopter crash at night in the open ocean during an active rescue, and gaining sonobuoy contact on a Russian submarine trailing a U.S. aircraft carrier—moments before a collision with the carrier itself. These aren't training scenarios. These are the real missions that define what it means to operate at the edge of human capability—in the dark, in the water, with no margin for error. In this episode: Helicopter crash at night during an active ocean rescueSurviving open-ocean impact and the chaos that followedGaining sonobuoy contact on a Russian submarineNear-collision with a U.S. aircraft carrierDecision-making when everything goes wrong at onceMental toughness forged in real-world high-stakes missionsWhat it means to serve as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer Richard Swope's story is a masterclass in staying calm when the situation is anything but. This is exactly what the Calm in the Chaos podcast was built for. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 57  So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net 📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:  Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #HelicopterCrash #NavyHelicopter #RussianSubmarineContact #ColdWarNavy #AircraftCarrier #NavyMilitary #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #SoOthersMayLive #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #RescueMission #SearchAndRescue #SAR #NavalAviation #OpenOceanRescue #SurvivalStory #MilitaryStories #SpecialOperations #ResiliencePodcast #LeadershipPodcast #MentalToughness #MilitaryLeadership #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast

The whole world watched the Orion capsule splash down in the Pacific and the U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer hanging from a cable beneath an MH-60S Sea Hawk—lowered down to bring the astronauts home from the Moon. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Chris Upton shares what it was like to be one of the Aviation Rescue Swimmers on the hoist during the historic Artemis II recovery. After NASA astronauts Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and Canadian Space Agency astronaut Jeremy Hansen splashed down off the coast of San Diego—returning from humanity's first lunar mission in over 50 years—Chris was part of the team trusted to physically bring them up out of the Pacific and onto the helicopter that would deliver them to the USS John P. Murtha. This is the view from the cable. Chris takes us inside the training, the rehearsals, the precision, and the quiet pressure of being the person at the end of the hoist when the world is watching—and four lives are in your hands. In this episode: Being lowered on the hoist during the Artemis II astronaut recoveryWhat it felt like to come face-to-face with astronauts returning from the MoonThe rehearsals, mockups, and training that prepared the team for splashdown dayFlying with HSC-23 and the precision required between pilot, crew chief, SMT, and swimmerWorking alongside the Navy dive medical team and NASA's Landing and Recovery teamBringing astronauts home one by one to the USS John P. MurthaThe legacy of Navy Rescue Swimmers in U.S. space recovery missionsWhat it means to be the last link in the chain that brings someone home Chris Upton was part of one of the most historic recovery missions in modern naval aviation. His story is a window into the quiet professionalism of the men and women who live by four words: So Others May Live. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 60 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net  📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:  Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #ArtemisII #Artemis2 #ArtemisIIRecovery #NASA #OrionCapsule #Splashdown #AstronautRecovery #MoonMission #ReidWiseman #VictorGlover #ChristinaKoch #JeremyHansen #USSJohnPMurtha #HSC23 #SeaHawk #MH60S #HelicopterRescue #HoistRescue #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #NavyRecovery #NavalAviation #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #SoOthersMayLive #SearchAndRescue #SAR #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #ResiliencePodcast #LeadershipUnderFire #MentalToughness #ServiceAndSacrifice #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast #SpaceRecovery #NASARecovery #PacificOcean #SanDiego

When NASA's Orion capsule splashed down in the Pacific off the coast of San Diego, four astronauts came home from the Moon for the first time in over 50 years. And right there—feet from the capsule, voice on the radio, eyes on every moving piece—was a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Sean “Sondy” Sondergaard takes us inside one of the most historic recovery missions in modern naval aviation history—the Artemis II astronaut recovery. From the safety boat positioned right next to the Orion capsule, Sean was coordinating communications between the divers, the helicopters, the recovery ship USS John P. Murtha, and NASA's Landing and Recovery team as Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and Jeremy Hansen were brought home from lunar orbit. But Artemis II is just one chapter. Sean shares what it takes to earn the wings of a Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer, the missions that shaped him, and what it felt like to be part of a team trusted by NASA to bring astronauts safely back to Earth. In this episode: Inside the Artemis II splashdown and recovery operationWhat it's like to be in the safety boat next to the Orion capsuleCoordinating communications between divers, helicopters, NASA, and the recovery shipThe training that prepares Navy Rescue Swimmers for missions of this magnitudeAssigned to HSC-23, working with the Navy dive medical team, and the USS John P. MurthaBringing astronauts home from the Moon for the first time in over 50 yearsThe legacy of Navy recovery operations—from Mercury and Apollo to ArtemisWhat it means to wear the wings and live "So Others May Live" Sean Sondergaard's story is a reminder that behind every historic mission is a team of quiet professionals doing the hard, dangerous, precise work the world rarely sees. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 59 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast 📖 Calm in the Chaos — The Book by Brian Dickinson Available at www.briandickinson.net  📩 Booking & Media Inquiries: [email protected] For more content, subscribe and follow @TheCalmintheChaosPodcast:  Twitter: https://x.com/briancdickinson/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandickinson/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/briancdickinson  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briancdickinson Calm in the Chaos: The Rescue Swimmer Podcast Untold Stories from U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmers #ArtemisII #Artemis2 #ArtemisIIRecovery #NASA #OrionCapsule #Splashdown #AstronautRecovery #MoonMission #ReidWiseman #VictorGlover #ChristinaKoch #JeremyHansen #USSJohnPMurtha #HSC23 #RescueSwimmer #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #NavyRecovery #NavalAviation #USNavy #NavyVeteran #MilitaryVeteran #SoOthersMayLive #SearchAndRescue #SAR #MilitaryPodcast #VeteranStories #ResiliencePodcast #LeadershipUnderFire #MentalToughness #ServiceAndSacrifice #BrianDickinson #VeteranPodcast #SpaceRecovery #NASARecovery #PacificOcean #SanDiego

For the first time, Apollo-era and Artemis-era recovery are compared side by side by the people who actually did the job. Mike Longe, U.S. Navy helicopter aircrewman from the Apollo recovery missions, and Steve Williams, Senior Chief rescue swimmer supporting Artemis operations, break down what really happens when a capsule hits the water. Same mission. Different era. We walk through the full evolution—splashdown, swimmer deployment, stabilization, and hoist—and compare what’s changed from Apollo 13 recovery operations to modern Artemis procedures. No theory. No commentary. Just operators. Topics covered: Apollo 13 recovery operations (Navy helicopter aircrew)Artemis recovery procedures and modern systemsRescue swimmer role vs legacy aircrew operationsSplashdown timeline and critical first minutesHoist operations in open ocean conditionsWhat’s actually harder now vs thenIf you’re interested in NASA recovery operations, helicopter rescue, or real-world decision-making under pressure, this is the breakdown. #Apollo13 #Artemis #NASA #RescueSwimmer #HelicopterRescue #SearchAndRescue #NavalAviation #SpaceRecovery #MilitaryOperations #Leadership

Combat Search and Rescue Veteran Bryan Trembath | 10 Gulf Deployments, 300+ Missions, Pentagon 9/11 First Response Some careers are built in training. Others are forged in real-world missions. In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Bryan Trembath shares 21 years as an Aviation Rescue Swimmer, including 10 deployments to the Gulf and over 300 direct action missions in Combat Search and Rescue. His first real mission started on September 11, 2001—responding by helicopter to the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. That moment set the tone for a career defined by operational intensity, responsibility, and sustained performance under pressure. We talk about what it takes to operate at that level over time—mission after mission, deployment after deployment. In this episode: • 21 years as an Aviation Rescue Swimmer • Combat Search and Rescue operations • 10 deployments to the Gulf • 300+ direct action missions • Responding to the Pentagon on 9/11 • Sustaining performance over a long career • Decision-making under pressure • Leadership in high-risk environments No shortcuts. Just experience earned the hard way. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 55 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast  #CSAR  #911Pentagon #DirectAction #SpecialOperations #SoOthersMayLive

Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer Ben Thacker | Real SAR Rescues from NAS Whidbey Island, Leadership & Decision-Making Under Pressure What does it take to execute real-world rescues when there’s no margin for error? In this episode of Calm in the Chaos, Aviation Rescue Swimmer Ben Thacker breaks down multiple live rescue missions out of NAS Whidbey Island SAR. This is a look inside the reality of Search and Rescue—where preparation meets pressure and decisions carry weight. We cover what it takes to stay ready, perform under stress, and operate as part of a crew when conditions deteriorate fast. In this episode: • Real-world SAR missions out of NAS Whidbey Island • What it’s like to be an Aviation Rescue Swimmer • Decision-making under pressure • Crew coordination and trust • Training vs. real rescues • Staying sharp when lives depend on it • Leadership at the operator level This one is for anyone in the military, aviation, or first responder world—and anyone responsible for making decisions when it counts. 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these stories. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST — Episode 56 So Others May Live. 🫡🇺🇸 Rescue Swimmer Merchandise https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com Military & First Responders: Use code SARRESCUE10 for 10% off 100% of proceeds support the podcast #NavySAR  #NASWhidbey #RescueSwimmer #CalmInTheChaos #SoOthersMayLive

Greg Baker spent 20 years as a U.S. Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer, operating where hesitation costs lives and preparation is everything. From multiple real-world rescues to serving as a SAR School instructor responsible for shaping future Rescue Swimmers, Greg understands what separates average from dependable. He finished his career supporting Naval Special Warfare, operating in intense environments to track suspected bad guy vehicles based on intel. In this episode: • 20 years as a Navy Aviation Rescue Swimmer • Multiple real-world rescue missions • Serving as a SAR School instructor • Supporting Naval Special Warfare (NSW) • Leadership under pressure • The mindset that sustains a long operational career (2) Bronze Stars — Joint Task Force Iraq (1) Joint Service Commendation Medal — Iraq (1) Navy Commendation Medal — HVBSS operation discussed on the show (7) Navy Achievement Medals — for multiple rescue missions 👉 Subscribe, share, and leave a review. It helps more veterans, first responders, and families find these conversations. CALM IN THE CHAOS PODCAST Episode 53 So Others May Live! 🫡🇺🇸 Keep Calm in the Chaos Merch (Link in bio or https://shop.calminthechaospodcast.com) Military and First Responders get 10% discount with code: SARRESCUE10 applied at checkout 100% of proceeds go to support the podcast! #NavyRescueSwimmer #AviationRescueSwimmer #SARSchool #NavalAviation #NSW #NavalSpecialWarfare #SearchAndRescue #MilitaryLeadership #FirstResponder #CalmInTheChaos #SoOthersMayLive