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In Roseburg, everybody has advice, whether it's for your truck, your marriage or your bad week. But when life gets hard, where do people find real help? Perry Sorensen talks with Dr. Andrew Rogers, Executive Director of Biblical Counseling Ministries Worldwide and a Fellow and Board Member of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors (ACBC). Dr. Rogers has more than 30 years of experience in pastoral ministry, education and missions. Together they explore what biblical counseling is, how it differs from simply giving good advice, and why it belongs in the everyday discipleship of every believer. They discuss the struggles many people in Roseburg and Douglas County face, such as isolation, addiction, family conflict, grief and hopelessness. They also describe what it would look like for local churches to become known as places where hurting people find compassionate care. The conversation looks at building a church-wide culture of care, equipping ordinary Christians to counsel one another, and knowing when someone needs additional medical or specialized help. It also covers reaching people outside the church and how churches across Roseburg could work together to train counselors and support pastors. Dr. Rogers shares a five-year vision for biblical counseling in Roseburg and practical next steps for anyone who wants to get involved or needs help but is hesitant to ask. Key Topics What biblical counseling is and how it connects to discipleshipCommon misconceptions about counselingThe needs of Roseburg and Douglas CountyCreating a church culture where people can admit they're strugglingEquipping ordinary believers to care for one anotherCounseling as a bridge to the gospelChurches partnering across RoseburgA five-year vision and first steps for listeners Scripture: Colossians 3:16; Galatians 6:2; Romans 15:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:11; Matthew 5:16; 1 Corinthians 12:26; 2 Timothy 2:2; James 1:22 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

Episode SummaryPerry and Pastor Dave welcome CLF member Cindy Landy for a conversation about her life, coming to know Jesus, and loving people who carry wounds we may never see.The conversation centers on questions about how difficult early experiences shape a person’s view of themselves, others, and God; what changes when someone becomes a Christian; and why patient relationships matter as people grow in faith.Together, they explore how Christians can listen more carefully, avoid easy assumptions, and offer meaningful welcome to people who feel ashamed, lonely, or overlooked. What does it look like to make room for someone whose story is different from ours—and to keep walking with them over time? Key Topics Covered• Cindy’s story and coming to faith in Christ• Difficult beginnings and learning to trust• Identity, shame, and belonging• New life in Christ and ongoing growth• Listening to people who are hurting• Unhelpful assumptions and well-intentioned words• Compassion for overlooked people• Hospitality, practical care, and lasting friendship Discussion Highlights• A person’s story includes much more than the hardest things they have experienced.• Trust takes time, especially when trust has been broken.• Faith in Christ and honest struggle can exist together.• Listen before deciding what someone needs.• People do not owe us painful details in exchange for friendship.• Welcoming people includes respecting boundaries and taking harm seriously.• Compassion becomes tangible when we follow through.• Church members can offer friendship and receive it from people whose lives look different from their own. Scripture References• Psalm 139:1–3; Psalm 34:18• Romans 8:15–16; Ephesians 2:8–9• 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 1:6• 1 Thessalonians 5:14• Romans 12:15; James 1:19• 2 Corinthians 1:3–4; Luke 14:12–14• James 2:1–5; Romans 15:7• Luke 10:33–37; Galatians 6:2• Colossians 3:12–14 Takeaway Questions• Who do I tend to overlook when I walk into church?• Do I listen to understand, or am I already preparing an answer?• What assumptions do I make about people whose lives are different from mine?• Have I ever made someone feel rushed to get over something painful?• Can someone be honest with me without becoming a subject of conversation with others?• Am I willing to build a friendship without expecting someone to tell me their whole story?• How do I respond when someone’s growth takes longer than I expected?• What practical help can I realistically offer and follow through on?• Is there someone I could invite to sit with me or share a meal this week?• What would patient, faithful love look like for our church right now? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🌍 Key Topics Covered• Matthew 6:1–15• Religious performance• Human approval• Prayer• The Lord's Prayer• God's fatherhood• Forgiveness• Motives• Hypocrisy• Intimacy with God 💬 Discussion HighlightsChristians can do good things for bad reasons.Prayer is relationship, not performance.God sees what others cannot see.The Lord's Prayer reshapes our priorities.Forgiven people become forgiving people.God's approval is better than human applause. 📖 Scripture ReferencesMatthew 6:1–15Galatians 1:10Matthew 23:5Matthew 6:6Matthew 6:8Matthew 6:10Matthew 6:14–15 📌 Takeaway QuestionsWho am I ultimately trying to impress?Do I seek God's approval more than man's approval?What motivates my service, giving, and prayer?Do I truly view God as my Father?How would my prayer life change if I believed God delights in me as His child?Am I harboring unforgiveness toward anyone?Would I still obey Christ if nobody ever noticed? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🌍 Key Topics CoveredBusiness and faithSuccessChristian ambitionIdentity in ChristAchievementWork and the gospelMoneyContentmentIdolatryEntrepreneurshipLeadershipFamily and workStewardshipFaithfulnessWork-life balanceGospel-centered success 💬 Discussion HighlightsSuccess is not inherently sinful.Good ambitions can become bad masters.Achievement makes a terrible identity.The gospel frees Christians from having to prove their worth.Healthy ambition asks, "How can I faithfully steward this?"Idolatrous ambition asks, "What does this say about me?"Christians can pursue excellence without worshiping achievement.Failure doesn't determine the believer's identity.Success should never come at the expense of the people God has called us to love.Biblical success is ultimately measured by faithfulness to Christ.Identity in Christ doesn't necessarily remove drive—it changes the reason behind it.The Christian works from acceptance, not for acceptance. 📖 Scripture References1 Corinthians 15:10Matthew 6:21Colossians 3:23Psalm 139:231 Corinthians 4:2Colossians 3:17Philippians 2:3Matthew 6:241 Timothy 6:10Philippians 4:11Romans 8:1 📌 Takeaway QuestionsWhat does success mean to me right now?What achievement am I tempted to believe will finally make me feel secure?Can I rest without feeling guilty?Can I celebrate someone else's success without comparing myself to them?How do I respond when I fail?If my career disappeared tomorrow, would I still know who I am?Do the people closest to me experience my ambition as a blessing or a burden?Is my work serving my family, or is my family increasingly serving my work?Do I view my career as an identity or as a stewardship?Am I trying to prove something through what I accomplish?What would it look like to pursue excellence for the glory of God instead of the glory of myself?Am I building something for my name or faithfully stewarding something for Christ's name? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🌍 Key Topics Covered • Biblical counseling • Secular therapy • Medication • Anxiety • Depression • Qualifications • Mental health • Common grace • Wise counsel • Church care • Spiritual growth • Hope in suffering 💬 Discussion Highlights Everyone needs help at times. Worldviews shape counseling methods. The Bible speaks to the deepest issues of the heart. Medication is a tool, not a savior. Body and soul both matter. Qualifications matter. The local church has a vital role in care. Christians should never be ashamed to seek help. 📖 Scripture References 2 Timothy 3:16–17 Proverbs 1:7 2 Timothy 2:2 Proverbs 15:22 Luke 5:31 Romans 12:3 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Galatians 6:2 📌 Takeaway Questions Where do I turn when life becomes difficult? What assumptions shape my understanding of counseling? Am I hesitant to seek help because of pride or fear? Who are the trusted counselors in my life? How can I better care for struggling people in my church? What role does God's Word play in how I think about emotional and mental struggles? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🌍 Key Topics Covered • Summer discipleship • Evangelism • Hospitality • Recreation and rest • Family discipleship • Church involvement • Spiritual disciplines • Vacations and faith • Stewardship of time • Gospel opportunities 💬 Discussion Highlights Summer is a gift from God. Spiritual growth requires intentionality. Hospitality creates opportunities for ministry. Vacations can deepen faith. Families can disciple children during everyday activities. Every season belongs to Christ. 📖 Scripture References James 1:17 1 Timothy 4:16 Colossians 4:5 1 Peter 4:9 Psalm 19:1 Hebrews 10:25 Deuteronomy 6:7 Matthew 28:19 1 Corinthians 10:31 📌 Takeaway Questions Am I being intentional with my summer? Who could I invite into my home this season? What opportunities for evangelism exist around me? How can my family grow spiritually this summer? Does my calendar reflect my priorities? Am I using my free time for God's glory? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🌍 Key Topics Covered • Abuse and pastoral care • Separation and safety • Remarriage after divorce • Divorce before conversion • Restoration and reconciliation • Repentance and forgiveness • Church care for divorced believers • Gospel hope 💬 Discussion Highlights Truth and grace belong together. Safety and protection matter. God's grace reaches past failures. Remarriage questions require careful biblical study. The gospel offers hope for every broken story. Faithfulness today matters. 📖 Scripture References Psalm 11:5 Ephesians 5:25 1 Corinthians 7:11,17 Romans 8:1 Romans 15:7 Luke 18:27 2 Corinthians 5:17 1 Timothy 1:15 1 John 1:9 📌 Takeaway Questions How can the church better care for hurting marriages? Am I trusting God's grace for past failures? How can I pursue faithfulness in my current season of life? Do I view divorced believers through the lens of the gospel? Where do I need God's healing and restoration? 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Episode Summary In Part One of this discussion, Perry and Pastor Dave explore God's design for marriage and why Scripture treats divorce so seriously. Beginning in Genesis and moving through the teachings of Jesus and Paul, they discuss covenant faithfulness, adultery, abandonment, and the biblical foundations that shape Christian views of divorce. Before considering difficult exceptions, Christians must first understand God's beautiful design for lifelong covenant marriage. 🌍 Key Topics Covered • God's design for marriage • Marriage as covenant • Why divorce matters • Jesus' teaching on divorce • Sexual immorality as grounds for divorce • Abandonment by an unbelieving spouse • Church care for struggling marriages 💬 Discussion Highlights Marriage reflects God's covenant love. Divorce is never God's design. Jesus points us back to creation. Biblical exceptions do not diminish God's ideal. Healthy churches help hurting marriages before crisis arrives. 📖 Scripture References Genesis 2:24 Malachi 2:14–16 Mark 10:2–12 Matthew 19:3–9 Exodus 20:14 1 Corinthians 7:12–15 Galatians 6:2 📌 Takeaway Questions Do I view marriage primarily as a covenant or a contract? How does God's faithfulness shape my understanding of marriage? Am I pursuing reconciliation and forgiveness in difficult relationships? How can our church better support struggling marriages? As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️ 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Episode Summary In this episode of CLF Conversations, Perry and Pastor Dave unpack one of the most confusing questions for many Christians: what parts of the Old Testament Law still apply today? By exploring the categories of moral, ceremonial, and civil law, they show how Jesus fulfills the Law and reshapes how believers relate to it. Rather than discarding the Law—or being crushed by it—Christians are invited to see it through the lens of Christ: fulfilled, clarified, and written on the heart. Because in the end— The Law doesn’t lead us to rule-keeping… It leads us to Jesus. 🌍 Key Topics Covered • Fulfillment of the Law in Christ • Moral vs. ceremonial vs. civil law • The Law of Christ • Obedience and grace • Legalism vs. lawlessness • Reading the Old Testament as a Christian 💬 Discussion Highlights The Law wasn’t abolished—it was completed in Christ. Not all laws apply the same way, but all reveal God. Obedience flows from salvation, not toward it. The Law points forward—the gospel fulfills. We don’t ignore the Law—we read it through Jesus. 📖 Scripture References Matthew 5:17 Matthew 22:37–39 Colossians 2:17 Deuteronomy 6:1 John 14:15 Galatians 6:2 Romans 15:4 Jeremiah 31:33 Romans 6:14 📌 Takeaway Questions Am I trying to earn what Christ has already fulfilled? Do I understand how the Law points to Jesus? Am I pursuing obedience from love—or obligation? How can I better read the Old Testament through the lens of Christ? 🔗 Stay Connected Subscribe to CLF Conversations wherever you listen. For sermons and resources, visit: clfroseburg.com Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Episode Summary In this episode of CLF Conversations, Perry and Pastor Dave explore what it truly means to be merciful—and how it differs from what we might call “unholy sympathy.” The discussion addresses how misplaced compassion can actually hinder repentance, short-circuit God’s discipline, and keep people from real transformation. Rather than calling Christians to be less compassionate, this episode calls us to a deeper, more biblical mercy—one that is rooted in truth and aligned with God’s purposes. Because in the end, mercy isn’t just about making people feel better— it’s about helping them be made new. 🌍 Key Topics Covered • Mercy vs. enablement • The danger of “unholy sympathy” • God’s use of discipline and consequences • Compassion rooted in truth • Speaking hard truth in love • Restoration vs. avoidance • Aligning with God’s work in others 💬 Discussion Highlights We don’t just show compassion—compassion shapes outcomes. The question isn’t just “Am I kind?” but “Am I faithful?” Unholy sympathy prioritizes comfort over transformation. God’s discipline is an expression of His love. True mercy moves toward healing—not just relief. 📖 Scripture References Matthew 5:7 John 1:14 Proverbs 27:6 Hebrews 12:6 John 8:11 Ephesians 4:15 Galatians 6:1 Romans 12:9 Proverbs 4:23 📌 Takeaway Questions Am I practicing true mercy—or avoiding hard truth? Where might I be enabling instead of helping? Do I trust God’s process of discipline and growth? How can I better reflect both grace and truth? 🔗 Stay Connected Subscribe to CLF Conversations wherever you listen. For sermons and resources, visit: clfroseburg.com Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Episode Summary In this episode of CLF Conversations, Perry and Pastor Dave explore how technology and social media are shaping our attention—and ultimately our hearts. The conversation addresses how digital habits form us, why distraction is a serious spiritual issue, and how social media can subtly influence our identity, desires, and thinking. Ultimately, Scripture calls believers to something deeper than constant scrolling: a life of beholding Christ. Because we are always being formed— and what we consistently behold will shape who we become. 🌍 Key Topics Covered • How technology disciples us • The formative power of social media • Distraction and spiritual life • Comparison and identity • Beholding Christ vs. constant scrolling • Stewarding attention intentionally • Practical ways to fight digital distraction 💬 Discussion Highlights We are always being discipled—by something. What we consume shapes what we love. Distraction is not neutral—it affects our spiritual life. We become like what we behold. Attention is a spiritual discipline. 📖 Scripture References Romans 12:2 Psalm 1:2 Psalm 46:10 2 Corinthians 3:18 2 Corinthians 10:12 1 Corinthians 6:12 Philippians 4:8 Ephesians 5:15–16 Colossians 3:2 📌 Takeaway Questions What is shaping me more right now—Scripture or my screen? Where is most of my attention going each day? What habits need to change so I can better behold Christ? Am I using technology… or being used by it? 🔗 Stay Connected Subscribe to CLF Conversations wherever you listen. For sermons and resources, visit: clfroseburg.com Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️

🎙️ Episode Summary In this episode of CLF Conversations, Perry and Pastor Dave explore how technology and social media are shaping our attention—and ultimately our hearts. The conversation addresses how digital habits form us, why distraction is a serious spiritual issue, and how social media can subtly influence our identity, desires, and thinking. Ultimately, Scripture calls believers to something deeper than constant scrolling: a life of beholding Christ. Because we are always being formed— and what we consistently behold will shape who we become. 🌍 Key Topics Covered • How technology disciples us • The formative power of social media • Distraction and spiritual life • Comparison and identity • Beholding Christ vs. constant scrolling • Stewarding attention intentionally • Practical ways to fight digital distraction 💬 Discussion Highlights We are always being discipled—by something. What we consume shapes what we love. Distraction is not neutral—it affects our spiritual life. We become like what we behold. Attention is a spiritual discipline. 📖 Scripture References Romans 12:2 Psalm 1:2 Psalm 46:10 2 Corinthians 3:18 2 Corinthians 10:12 1 Corinthians 6:12 Philippians 4:8 Ephesians 5:15–16 Colossians 3:2 📌 Takeaway Questions What is shaping me more right now—Scripture or my screen? Where is most of my attention going each day? What habits need to change so I can better behold Christ? Am I using technology… or being used by it? 🔗 Stay Connected Subscribe to CLF Conversations wherever you listen. For sermons and resources, visit: clfroseburg.com Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. 🎙️ Stay Connected Thanks for listening to CLF Conversations, the podcast of Covenant Life Fellowship in Roseburg, Oregon. For sermons, articles, event information, and more resources to help you follow Christ, visit: Covenant Life Fellowship As always— Worship. Fellowship. Grow. & Serve. We'll see you next time on CLF Conversations—where we grow in Christ one conversation at a time. 🎙️