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In this episode of Word on the Street, Mick Morrissey, Mark Goodale, and Katharine Van Leer sit down with Michelle Mongeon Allen, CEO of JLG Architects, to explore how a small architecture firm from North Dakota grew into a nationally recognized design practice. Michelle joined JLG in 2000 when the firm had roughly 12 people. More than 25 years later, she has helped guide its growth to approximately 200 employees, expanding across the Upper Midwest while developing nationally recognized expertise in areas including sports architecture and ice facilities. Michelle shares the story behind JLG’s “accidental expansion,” how a move to Minneapolis helped unlock an entirely new market, and why the firm’s one-company, single-profit-center model became an important foundation for growth. She also explains how JLG evolved from a regional generalist into a firm built around specialized expertise and discusses the role that design excellence, branding, relationships, and business development have played along the way. The conversation also dives into JLG’s growing national presence, its work on the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library, the strategy behind its sports and hockey practice, and how the firm is approaching AI and the rapidly changing architecture industry. Most importantly, Michelle offers a practical look at what it takes for a firm to move onto a bigger stage: focus, depth, a strong bench, and the ability to recognize when the market is already telling you that you’re ready. 0:00 Introduction and welcome 1:25 Meet Michelle Mongeon Allen and JLG Architects 2:50 Joining JLG when it had just 12 people 3:45 From a small firm to a 200-person organization 4:20 The challenges of scaling a design firm 5:20 Putting yourself in position to capitalize on opportunity 6:40 Michelle’s journey from North Dakota to Minnesota 7:45 JLG’s “accidental expansion” 9:40 Building the Minneapolis office from a second bedroom 10:00 The power of the one-firm, single-profit-center model 11:20 Winning JLG’s first major Minnesota project 13:45 The roots of JLG’s design excellence 16:15 When Minneapolis became a major market 17:10 Letting opportunities shape growth 19:15 What it really means to become a national firm 21:00 The Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library 23:45 Building a national sports architecture practice 25:00 Finding JLG’s competitive advantage 26:45 Branding, marketing, and relationships 28:20 The importance of knowing what to say no to 30:45 Designing the ultimate hockey experience 34:30 Building a growth and business development engine 37:45 How JLG is approaching AI 41:05 The story behind JLG’s Minnesota conference rooms 45:35 What excites and concerns Michelle about the future 47:40 Word to the Wise

In this episode of Word on the Street, Mick Morrissey, Mark Goodale, and Katharine Van Leer sit down with Chad Brown, CEO of Thompson Holdings. Unlike many leaders in the AEC industry, Chad did not come up through engineering or architecture. Trained as an attorney, he spent more than two decades helping shape Thompson's governance, ownership structure, employee stock ownership plan (ESOP), acquisitions, and long-term strategy before becoming CEO in 2025. The conversation explores what leadership looks like from a nontraditional path, how employee ownership changes culture and decision-making, and why governance, patience, and long-term thinking are critical to sustainable growth. Chad also shares lessons learned from acquisitions, succession planning, community leadership, and growing a business from a regional engineering firm into a diversified family of companies. Whether you're navigating leadership transitions, considering growth through acquisition, or looking to build a stronger ownership culture, this episode offers practical insights from a leader focused on creating lasting value for employees, clients, and communities. 0:00 Introduction and welcome 1:30 Chad Brown's path from attorney to CEO 4:10 Thinking like a lawyer vs. thinking like a leader 7:20 The value of outside boards and governance 10:15 Building a family of businesses beyond engineering 13:00 Source Toad and technology-driven growth 16:20 Eight-state strategy and regional expansion 18:30 What makes acquisitions successful 22:00 Governance as a growth tool 25:30 The power of employee ownership 29:00 Culture, ESOPs, and creating owners 33:00 Growth through recessions and economic cycles 36:00 Lessons from M&A integration 39:00 Why patience matters in leadership 41:30 Community impact and giving back 44:30 Building a culture of "Best Job Ever" 47:00 Word to the Wise: embracing unexpected opportunities Subscribe to the WOTS Podcast: https://www.morrisseygoodale.com/word-on-the-street-podcast/

In this episode of the Word on the Street Podcast, Mick Morrissey, Mark Goodale, and Katharine Van Leer sit down with Frank Ricciardi, CEO of Weston & Sampson, one of the nation’s oldest and most respected employee-owned engineering firms. Founded in 1899, Weston & Sampson has spent more than 125 years building a legacy of service, innovation, and community impact. Frank shares what it means to lead a firm with such deep roots while preparing it for the future through strategic growth, technology investment, and a commitment to employee ownership. The conversation explores succession planning, leadership transitions, ESOP culture, AI adoption, organic growth, and the challenge of balancing long-term stewardship with the demands of a rapidly changing industry. Frank also discusses Weston & Sampson’s mission-driven approach to infrastructure, giving back through global community projects, and why people remain the most important investment any firm can make. Whether you're leading an organization through growth, preparing the next generation of leaders, or navigating the future of engineering and infrastructure, this episode is packed with practical lessons on leadership, culture, and long-term success. 0:00 Introduction and welcome 1:15 Leading a 125-year-old engineering firm 3:50 Stewardship, legacy, and accountability 5:20 Why people are at the center of Weston & Sampson 6:30 Preserving culture while embracing growth 7:30 How Frank uses AI as a CEO 10:15 Becoming CEO during the pandemic 12:00 Succession planning done right 14:40 Creating an authentic leadership style 16:30 From engineer to CEO: learning to make decisions 17:45 Leadership lessons from ACEC SEI 19:10 The journey to 100% ESOP ownership 21:15 Using employee ownership to attract talent 22:20 Rewarding top performers in an ESOP 23:30 Building the next generation of leaders 26:00 Strategic planning through multiple horizons 27:30 Investments that will pay off years from now 28:45 Organizational changes to support future growth 31:20 Lessons learned from an MWRA internship 32:45 Why technology has always been a differentiator 35:00 Expanding beyond the East Coast 36:00 Critical infrastructure and cybersecurity 37:15 Mission, vision, and sustainable growth 39:30 FICA and building infrastructure that changes lives 41:15 Why younger generations are redefining success 41:50 Word to the Wise Subscribe to the WOTS Podcast: https://www.morrisseygoodale.com/word-on-the-street-podcast/

In this episode of the Word on the Street Podcast, Mick Morrissey, Mark Goodale, and Katharine Van Leer sit down with Steve McKay, CEO of DLR Group, to explore what it takes to lead one of the most respected employee-owned design firms in the industry. Steve shares his journey from growing up in Scotland and playing competitive rugby to building a 30-year career at DLR Group—culminating in his role as CEO. Along the way, he breaks down how teamwork, resilience, and leadership lessons from rugby shaped his approach to business, culture, and growth. The conversation dives into how DLR Group has successfully scaled while staying true to its employee-owned model, why global thinking is essential for modern design firms, and how leadership can create alignment across a distributed organization. Steve also offers thoughtful insights on the evolving role of AI in design, the importance of storytelling in architecture, and why human judgment and creativity will remain the ultimate differentiators. Whether you’re an industry leader or early in your career, this episode delivers practical perspective on building a meaningful, long-term career—not just a job. 0:00 Opening + guest introduction 1:30 Rugby, teamwork, and early lessons in leadership 4:20 From Scotland to the U.S. — a global journey 8:30 Joining DLR Group and early career growth 11:00 Understanding employee ownership 14:00 Becoming CEO and shaping firm-wide aspiration 18:20 The “rock band” leadership model 21:00 Scaling without losing culture 24:00 What employee ownership really looks like in practice 28:30 ESOP vs private equity — industry shifts 33:00 Talent, compensation, and changing workforce expectations 37:30 Global expansion and building a truly global firm 41:30 Why design still matters (more than ever) 45:00 AI in design — hype vs reality 49:30 The future of architecture firms and technology 53:00 Career advice: visibility and participation 56:00 Final thoughts and closing

What does it take to scale an engineering firm from a few hundred to nearly 2,000 people—without losing culture, performance, or purpose? In this episode of the Word on the Street Podcast, we’re joined by Jesse Kropelnicki, CEO of Verdantas (ENR #73), one of the fastest‑growing environmental and infrastructure consulting firms in the U.S. Jesse shares his unique journey from structural engineer to elite endurance sports coach—and how those experiences shaped his leadership philosophy. This wide‑ranging conversation explores how lessons from elite athletics apply directly to engineering leadership, including managing growth, building trust, giving effective feedback, navigating private equity, and preparing firms for AI and data transformation. Jesse also dives deep into culture, emotional intelligence, and why human skills—not technical knowledge alone—will define the future of AEC firms. Whether you’re leading a growing firm, managing teams, or thinking about the future of engineering work, this episode is packed with insight you can apply immediately.

In this episode of the Word on the Street Podcast, Mick Morrissey and Mark Goodale are joined by Katharine Van Leer, Senior Consultant at Morrissey Goodale, as she makes her debut as the newest member of the podcast team. Together, they discuss the forces shaping the AE industry today—from M&A activity and valuation trends to the growing influence of AI and private equity. The conversation explores market uncertainty, leadership transition, and why CEO‑only forums and peer connections are more important than ever as firms navigate rapid change.

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Mark and Mick welcome Jon Kramer, CEO of OHM Advisors. The discussion covers a range of topics including OHM's growth trajectory, Kramer's personal journey from intern to CEO, the importance of culture, innovation, and AI in the architecture, engineering, and planning field. Kramer highlights OHM's recent acquisitions, strategies for managing hybrid work environments, and the importance of continuous learning and adaptability. The episode concludes with insights into Kramer's leadership philosophy and his vision for OHM Advisors' future.   Topics 01:04 Guest Introduction: Jon Kramer, CEO of OHM Advisors 02:35 Jon's Early Career and Intern Program 05:23 OHM's Growth and Culture 09:22 Challenges and Strategies in AE Industry 16:21 Acquisitions and Strategic Growth 21:59 Engineering vs. Architecture: A Complex Integration 22:13 Challenges of Leading a Multi-Disciplinary Firm 23:25 Personal Journey: From Engineer to CEO 24:12 Balancing Diverse Teams and Cultures 24:39 Learning from Peers and External Advisors 26:37 Daily Operations and Team Dynamics 29:15 Strategic Growth and Future Plans 30:58 Artificial Intelligence and Innovation 40:21 Leadership Advice and Reflections 43:47 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Jim Stamatis, CEO of True Environmental Mark and Mick welcome Jim Stamatis, CEO of True Environmental. Jim shares insights from his varied career, including his professional soccer background, his leadership roles at Louis Berger, and the launch of True Environmental. He emphasizes the importance of team dynamics, culture, and adaptability in business, drawing parallels from his sports experience. Jim also discusses the rapid growth of True Environmental, the significance of trust and communication in successful integrations, and the evolving impact of technology and private equity in the environmental industry. Throughout the conversation, Jim advocates for a culture of resilience, transparency, and continuous improvement, highlighting the critical role of leadership in navigating industry challenges and opportunities.   Topics 00:48 Welcome to Morrissey Goodell's Podcast 01:45 Introducing Jim Stamatis and His Accomplishments 02:46 Jim's Soccer Career Highlights 05:41 Transition from Soccer to Professional Career 08:22 Building True Environmental 09:44 Lessons from Leading Louis Berger 16:40 Importance of Teamwork and Trust 21:40 Vision and Philosophy Behind True Environmental 24:14 The Story Behind True Environmental 25:03 Key Ingredients for Successful Integration 27:20 Maintaining Entrepreneurial Spirit 28:53 Successful Acquisition of Sundance Consulting 31:48 The Role of Private Equity in the Industry 32:50 Using AI in Daily Work 34:13 Growing the Next Generation of Leaders 36:29 Executing Strategic Plans 38:31 Environmental and Infrastructure Trends 44:08 Reflections on the Industry and Career 48:44 Word to the Wise: Success and Culture

Mark and Mick interview Matt Bissett, the president of Atwell, discussing his leadership experiences and strategies for navigating change. Bissett shares insights on the firm's growth from a regional to a national player, addressing challenges such as market diversification, embracing technology, and maintaining a unified company culture amidst rapid expansion. With in-depth discussions on acquisitions, employee development programs like Top Gun, and the impact of financial crises like the 2008 downturn, this episode offers a comprehensive look at leading an engineering and consulting firm through dynamic industry landscapes.   Topics 01:36 Introducing the Special Guest: Matt Bissett 03:24 Matt Bissett's Leadership Journey at Atwell 05:19 Navigating Challenges and Embracing Change 11:33 The Impact of Technology and AI on the Industry 13:54 Matt Bissett: The Renaissance Man 14:56 The Art of Acquisitions and Integrations 22:16 Maintaining Positive Energy and Client Engagement 24:12 Maximizing Influence and Leadership 24:33 Top Gun Program and Rodney Williams 28:38 Challenges and Culture at Atwell 32:12 Virtual Reality and Connectivity 39:36 Diversification and Resilience 43:59 Lessons from Sports and Decision Making

Mark and Mick speak with Gayle Packer, CEO and President of Terracon, a leading nationwide employee-owned engineering consulting firm. Gayle shares insights on Terracon's remarkable story of growth and innovation, reflecting on pivotal leadership moments, such as navigating a company-wide crisis and strategically implementing technological advancements. The discussion covers the importance of aligning culture and business plans, promoting employee experience, and the significance of feedback and accountability in driving excellence. Gayle also talks about her personal career journey, strategic planning at Terracon, and future aspirations for the firm. The episode provides key lessons on leadership, risk-taking, and purposeful growth in the engineering consulting industry.   Topics 00:58 Introducing the Guest: Gayle Packer 02:03 Gayle's Recent Travels 05:03 Gayle's Leadership Journey at Terracon 07:38 Terracon's Values and Safety Culture 09:40 Navigating Challenges: Fatality and COVID-19 16:48 The Role of Technology and Innovation 25:00 The Importance of Growth and Employee Experience 27:53 The Rebranding Effort at Terracon 29:23 Career Trajectories and Risks 32:12 Partnerships and Leadership at Terracon 35:34 Aligning a Large Organization 43:11 Technological Innovations at Terracon 46:42 Reflections and Future Plans 51:36 Words of Wisdom

Mark and Mick engage in a compelling conversation with Greg Kelly, CEO of STV, one of North America's leading architecture, engineering, and consulting firms. The discussion covers a range of topics, including leadership styles, strategic market decisions, client management, and the intricacies of firm acquisitions. Greg shares his perspectives on the importance of humility, the evolving nature of leadership, and the value of emotional intelligence in team building. The episode also delves into the impact of hybrid work models on leadership development and innovation in the AE industry. Finally, Greg reflects on the legacy he hopes to leave and offers valuable advice for emerging leaders.   More on Greg at https://stvinc.com/person/greg-kelly/   Topics 01:39 Guest Introduction: Greg Kelly 03:29 Discussing Leadership and Strategy 10:13 Market Analysis and Decision Making 22:08 Client Relationships and Expectations 31:20 Leadership Development in a Hybrid Work Environment 37:06 Innovation and AI in the Industry 38:57 Greg Kelly's Legacy and Leadership Lessons 42:37 Conclusion and Farewell

Mark and Mick sit down with Megan Miller, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Deltek, to break down the most compelling findings from the 46th Annual Deltek Clarity Report—featuring insights from nearly 700 AE firms across the US and Canada.   From rising net revenue per employee to shifting industry mindsets, Megan unpacks how the most successful firms are using data, tech, and strategic planning to drive growth. You'll hear what separates firms that thrive from those that fall behind—plus key benchmarks and future-facing trends heading into 2025.   Topics Include: - Industry performance and financial benchmarks - AE firms’ adoption of tech and automation - Strategic use of data for growth - Project management best practices - The real cost of lagging behind in innovation - What to expect at the 2025 M&A Symposium in Vegas   Don’t miss this if you're in leadership, strategy, or biz dev in AE.   Topics 01:05 Guest Introduction: Megan Miller 01:55 Overview of the 46th Annual Deltek Clarity Report 02:27 Key Insights from the Clarity Report 06:34 Industry Sentiment and Trends 10:16 Financial Performance Highlights 16:00 Strategic Use of Data for Growth 20:23 Shifts in Industry Mindset 22:13 Strategic Pursuits in AE Firms 23:25 Integrating New Technologies 25:00 Misconceptions and Costs of Technology 26:18 Genuine Innovation vs. Marketing Hype 30:01 Net Revenue Per Employee Insights 34:33 Industry Outlook and Client Engagement 40:54 Transforming Operations with Deltek Solutions 42:29 Final Thoughts and Wise Words   📩 Don’t miss an episode — subscribe here: https://www.morrisseygoodale.com/word-on-the-street-podcast

Mark and Mick chat with Andra Kidd, CEO of Spheros Environmental. The discussion spans Andra's extensive career, the challenges and strategies of leading a fast-growing environmental firm, and the importance of innovation and digital strategies in the industry. Andra also shares insights on balancing personal wellness and professional responsibilities, the complexities of integrating acquisitions, and fostering a science-forward and employee-centric culture. The conversation highlights the significance of scrutinizing market conditions, strategic thinking, and the power of accountability in leadership.   Topics 01:50 Insights from Alaska Experience 07:27 Leadership and Accountability 09:56 Challenges and Strategies in Leadership 13:26 Balancing Personal Interests and Professional Life 15:40 Building Effective Leadership Teams 18:02 Differentiating in the Environmental Consulting Market 18:37 Vision and Mission of Spheros 19:28 Recruitment and Acquisitions Strategy 19:37 University Connections and Acquisitions 20:53 Assessing Company Culture 21:57 Digital Strategies and Innovation 25:22 CEO's Role in Acquisitions 26:53 Travel and Personal Organization 28:59 Partnership with Union Park 29:55 Market Opportunities and Strategic Services 35:17 Integration and Collaboration 36:37 Balancing Business and Science 39:12 Final Thoughts and Advice