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Avi is back from two weeks on the road — Singapore, Istanbul, and Iraq — and Jonah has spent that time doing actual work on the credit problem nobody wants to look at. They open on risk: the donut chain in Iraq pulling ten million a year because nobody else bothered to show up, Paul Tudor Jones’s “losers average losers,” why wealth is self-reinforcing, and the adverse selection problem that explains why the deal in your DMs is still open. Then Jonah walks through CoreWeave. The bonds are in distressed territory, the CDS trades sixteen points up front, and six-year paper is at seventy-nine cents. He models the company burning more than thirty billion in free cash flow a year, every year, with all of it having to come from public markets. Zoom out and it’s roughly a trillion dollars of AI CapEx this year against a free cash flow deficit of a hundred and sixty-five billion, going to three hundred and thirty-four billion next year. Then a full monologue on why compute futures are never going to work — no enduring benchmark, a fragmenting chip universe, physical delivery that’s far too bespoke, and incumbents who benefit from exactly the opacity a futures market would destroy. Jonah respectfully disagrees with Don Wilson on this one. And at the end, the first time this decade Jonah has been worried about Bitcoin — and it has nothing to do with quantum. -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: 00:00 Coming Up on 1000x... 00:48 Singapore, Istanbul, And Iraq 02:24 Donut World: $10M A Year Selling Donuts In Iraq 04:22 Losers Average Losers 13:09 CoreWeave’s Bonds Are In Distress 21:05 A Trillion In CapEx, And Who Has To Fund It 22:49 The Shale Playbook: Why The Neo Clouds Get Eaten 30:49 Why Compute Futures Won’t Happen 40:46 Jonah’s New Bitcoin Worry — And It Isn’t Quantum -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Avi sits down with Arthur Hayes at Token2049 in Singapore — the co-founder of BitMEX, the man who invented the perpetual swap, and now the founder of FLOP Network. Arthur traces the whole arc: growing up in Buffalo with parents who worked for General Motors, reading a book in high school that convinced him to learn Chinese and move to Asia, and starting his first day on a trading desk the morning Lehman Brothers failed. Then getting fired from Citibank in 2013, finding Bitcoin, and building the exchange that would go on to invent the product every venue in crypto now runs on — including why the first version of the perp failed, and what the funding rate was actually designed to fix. Then the hard part: why shutting BitMEX down was a relief, what it does to you to be the bearer of billions in customer assets, and what happens to the insurance fund. Arthur argues the AI buildout is a global misallocation of capital — that none of the frontier labs make money, that the unit economics get worse rather than better as data centers get more expensive and compute gets cheaper, and that he puts 75% odds on the labs needing a government bailout to honor their compute commitments. Which, in his view, is the most bullish thing in the world for crypto. Plus: why both political parties always print, why China can’t assign its losses either, Zcash and the privacy narrative, and the case for a cryptocurrency pegged directly to compute and designed for AI agents rather than people. -- Follow Arthur: https://x.com/CryptoHayes Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: 00:00 Coming Up on 1000x... 00:39 Buffalo, General Motors, And The Book That Sent Him To Asia 04:29 His First Day On The Desk Was The Day Lehman Failed 09:14 Building BitMEX, And The 100x Leverage Unlock 15:26 Inventing The Perp 18:57 Shutting Down BitMEX, And The 30,000 BTC Question 26:16 “We’re Wasting Trillions On AI” 29:22 Why The Bailout Is Inevitable 40:47 FLOP: A Currency For AI Agents -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Avi opens with the story of the last week — the RuneScape Gold allegations, what actually happened onchain, and a promise to the people who scammed his audience. Then he and Jonah get into why memecoin culture is a tax on your attention, and what separates a scam from a trade. From there it's markets. Jonah makes the case that Iran is a cornered animal with nothing left to escalate with, that the Strait of Hormuz is losing its relevance in real time, and that the deflation coming out of it is enormously bullish for risk assets. Avi calls macro "astrology for men." Jonah takes that personally and defends macro as a game of common sense played over a long enough timeframe. The back half is megatrends: how to spot one, why institutions structurally can't ride them, and why that's retail's biggest edge. Plus copper, uranium, AI drug discovery, the case against buying the index, and Jonah's term for the fastest-growing job in business — the meat proxy. -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: 00:00 Coming Up on 1000x... 00:59 Avi Responds To The Allegations 10:20 What Actually Counts As A Scam 12:32 Twitter Beef, Posers, And Getting Back To Builders 22:10 Iran Is Cornered: The Strait Of Hormuz Trade 26:47 "Macro Is Astrology For Men" 32:07 Megatrends, And Retail's Edge Over The Pros 44:44 Why Deflation Is Bullish 47:13 Meat Proxies: Doing What AI Can't 56:41 Done With Indices -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. #Crypto #Altcoins #StockMarket #Bitcoin #Altseason #1000xPodcast #Stocks #Macro #Trading #Investing #Ethereum #Solana #Fed #CryptoScam #Q4

Avi Felman sits down with Bryan Pellegrino, co-founder and CEO of LayerZero Labs, to talk about what happens when the largest institutions in finance start building on crypto rails. Bryan traces LayerZero's path from an MEV shop and a shockingly bad bridge to a protocol that has moved over $300 billion lifetime across roughly 170 chains, with $150 billion in assets built on top and $10–15 billion moving every month. Then he gets into what's next: ZERO, a ZK-first chain built from the ground up at multiple millions of transactions per second, and Atlas, a trading environment with roughly 10-millisecond block times that folds settlement, clearing, matching and credit into a single stack — with DTCC, ICE and Citadel among the announced partners, and four to five of the world's largest exchanges already live on testnet. They also cover the standards war LayerZero won, why a meaningful chain still rolls back every three to four months, DTCC's mandate to tokenize $100 trillion in assets, the fee switch, and how 75% of Atlas trading fees flow into buying and burning ZERO. Plus: dropping out of computer science to play poker professionally, losing his career overnight to the 2011 online poker ban, and selling machine learning models to Billy Beane. -- Follow Bryan: https://x.com/PrimordialAA Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (01:32) Poker, Bitcoin, And Selling Models To Billy Beane (07:19) MEV, Broken Bridges, And Building LayerZero (16:37 Winning The Standards War: Tether, PayPal, Ondo (26:51) When Chains Roll Back (30:54) Two Million Transactions Per Second (36:07) Atlas, And TradFi's $100M Checks (44:53) The Fee Switch, And Burning ZERO (48:30) Tokenizing $100 Trillion -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, Avi sits down with Scott Shay, co-founder and former chairman of Signature Bank and now founder of N3XT. Scott started at Salomon Brothers in the Liar's Poker era, taught the training class Michael Lewis was in, and went on to build Bank United of Texas from a distressed shell into a $20 billion bank alongside Lew Ranieri. He then founded Signature Bank, growing it to $110 billion in assets without ever making a single acquisition, and launched Signet in 2019, the first 24/7 blockchain-enabled payment system, which moved close to a trillion dollars. We discuss what Wall Street was actually like in the 1980s, why the most important decision you'll ever make is your business partner, why he became a blockchain maximalist back in 2013, his first-hand account of the weekend Signature was seized despite being mark-to-market positive and raising $20 billion, the personal toll of testifying before Congress, and why he's now building a full-reserve bank that removes fractional banking entirely. Enjoy! -- Follow N3XT: https://x.com/N3XTinc Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:40) Salomon Brothers & Teaching Michael Lewis (03:51) The Partner Who Gave The Money Back (06:46) Buying A Dead Texas Bank For Zero (09:33) You Can't Survive A Bad Partner (11:02) Signature: $110 Billion, Zero Acquisitions (14:32) Signet & Becoming A Blockchain Maximalist In 2013 (16:35) The Numbers Don't Add Up: How Signature Was Taken (22:57) Killing Fractional Banking -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, with Meta, Bitcoin, crude and the broader economy all ripping, we ask how long it can last? We discuss why diamond prices are collapsing. Jonah explains the anatomy of a bad commodity and why you should always trade demand squeezes rather than supply squeezes, why copper just hit all-time highs, and why higher rates are counterintuitively bullish for Bitcoin and gold. We get into Meta's Muse assistant finally making AI useful for normal people, why AI agents may be what actually saves crypto, the chart showing artificial intelligence depreciating faster than any frontier technology in history, why real estate is getting torpedoed while luxury demand goes vertical, the barbell economy and the vanishing middle class, and Avi's case that income inequality is a fake issue. Enjoy! -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (03:02) Diamonds Are Collapsing (And Might Become Chips) (13:28) The Anatomy Of A Bad Commodity (17:35) Why Higher Rates Are Bullish For Bitcoin (26:09) AI Will Save Crypto (28:23) The Most Bullish Chart We've Ever Seen (33:30) Real Estate Is Getting Torpedoed (39:14) Barbell America & The Vanishing Middle (43:37) "Income Inequality Is A Fake Issue" -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. #Bitcoin #Meta #StockMarket #Crypto #META #Stocks #Oil #AI #Macro #Trading #1000xPodcast #Investing #Fed #BTC #MetaConnect

This week, we break down the Financial Times exposé on how Poland lost $230 million trying to buy Venezuelan oil with crypto, and why Avi thinks it's actually the most bullish crypto story in a long time. Jonah explains how oil scams really work from seven years at Vitol, why the minimum ticket size makes street-corner deals impossible, and the $100 million wired for Indonesian coal mines that didn't exist. We also discuss the new oil barons of Venezuela and whether there's room for an individual to get in, treasury yields at highs we haven't seen since 2008, Canada and the EU suddenly getting competitive, why copper is the next meme coin, how Zuckerberg's latest blog post killed the idea of pacing the frontier, why AI doomerism is just the oldest sales pitch in the book, and why Avi believes a rate hike is counterintuitively bullish for Bitcoin and gold. Enjoy! -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:55) Poland Lost $230M Buying Oil With Thumb Drives (07:44) How Oil Scams Actually Work (20:22) The New Oil Barons Of Venezuela (27:43) Treasury Carnage & The Canada Surprise (31:18) Copper Is The Next Meme Coin (34:37) Zuck Just Killed "Pacing The Frontier" (39:53) AI Doomerism Is A Sales Pitch (50:37) Why A Rate Hike Is Bullish For Bitcoin -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed. #FOMC #Crypto #StockMarket #Fed #Bitcoin #Stablecoins #RateHike #1000xPodcast #Tether #Macro #Oil #Trading #Investing #KevinWarsh #Stocks

This week, Avi is joined live by GMoney, a trader who ran a desk for over a decade before becoming one of the most recognized collectors and investors in crypto, and who now hosts Full Port. We discuss whether NFTs are ever coming back and why Pokemon cards are just physical NFTs, why the last month has been the most exciting stretch on-chain since DeFi summer, the rise of MemeFi and tokenized stocks, why there is no way to diligence a meme coin, why the PVP mentality would get you kicked off a real trading desk, the Luna trade that worked despite being built on fake data, why both of them give away their thesis publicly, GMoney's framework that AI is a matter of national defense so any hike cycle will be short, why Avi thinks the CDS spreads on hyperscalers are fake, and why getting Americans invested is becoming a national security issue. Enjoy! -- Follow GMoney: https://x.com/gmoneynft Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:54) The $3 Million Ether Rock & Are NFTs Coming Back? (06:09) The Best Month Onchain Since DeFi Summer (10:43) There's No Way To Diligence A Meme Coin (14:18) Why Give Away Your Alpha? (18:04) AI Is National Defense: Why The Hike Won't Last (23:44) The CDS Spreads Are Fake (27:13) Be The House: Inside Fake World Assets (33:00) Investing Is A National Security Issue -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, Intel rips 20% and Avi's $88 call pays off. We discuss Hunter Biden's $LAPTOP coin and why every political meme coin is explicitly telling you it exists to extract from you, why a bad first experience in crypto poisons the well for everyone, and where the actual trade is if you want to punt it anyway. Jonah then makes the case for putting commodities onchain — jet fuel perps, regional gasoline, Nigerian crude differentials — and why ICE and NYMEX are structurally incapable of launching anything new. We also get into why getting people invested in the market is a national security issue, why you can no longer earn your way out of your income bracket, why it has never been easier to be a quant, why the Bitcoin trade is in peril as flows rotate back to AI, and why Jonah thinks AGI is already here and markets melt up right until Skynet terminates us all. Enjoy! -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:37) Intel Rips: The $88 Call Pays Off (05:27) Hunter Biden's Laptop Coin Is Pure Extraction (16:13) Putting Commodities On Chain (20:42) Why ICE And NYMEX Can't Innovate (34:50) Getting People Invested Is A National Security Issue (41:55) It's Never Been Easier To Be A Quant (46:27) The Bitcoin Trade Is In Peril (51:09) AGI Is Here (And Skynet Is Coming) -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, in a Friday solo stream, Avi breaks down a hot jobs report that has traders nervous about a September hike, and why crypto is ripping anyway. He's then joined by Se, co-founder of FOMO, for a wide-ranging conversation on the future of trading. We discuss why the entire market is really just attention, how onchain data gave FOMO an edge trading Robinhood, why you couldn't have built a social trading platform two years ago, why trading is inherently social and the stigma around posting positions is disappearing, the $4 million in creator rewards FOMO paid out in two weeks and the vision of a thousand Roaring Kittys, the real drawbacks of trading in public, and why net-new investors are entering markets through meme coins. Avi then closes with why 94.4% of FOMO users have lost money, what MemeFi actually is, why GPT-6 could pull attention back to the AI trade, and why he's constructive on crypto into year-end. Enjoy! -- Follow Se: https://x.com/seyong Follow FOMO: https://x.com/fomo Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:48) Hot Payrolls & The Fed Credibility Problem (06:02) Everything Is Attention: Se From FOMO (09:29) Why You Couldn't Build FOMO Two Years Ago (15:51) Why Trading Is Inherently Social (25:31) $4M In Creator Rewards & A Thousand Roaring Kittys (33:07) The Dark Side Of Trading In Public (43:36) 94.4% Of People Lose Money (52:39) Beat The BART: Why Avi's Bullish Into Year-End -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, we break down the MemeFi mania taking over Robinhood chain, where meme coins are tying themselves to tokenized stocks and pumping microcaps on the NASDAQ. We discuss what's actually happening with tokens and why hope is the most powerful drug in trading, where the value in all of this actually accrues, and Avi's rules if you're going to gamble anyway. We also get into how Wall Street manufactures fake alpha, survivorship bias and why length of time is the best disinfectant, why Kevin Warsh's jawboning is toothless and there's no rate hike coming, why AI is the new shale and the most deflationary force of our lifetime, a full post-mortem on the NVIDIA earnings trade, and why Iran's leverage over the Strait of Hormuz is degrading by the day. Enjoy! -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (02:51) What Is MemeFi? Inside The Robinhood Chain Mania (18:37) Where Does The Value Actually Accrue? (24:02) If You're Going To Gamble, Here Are The Rules (31:58) How Wall Street Fakes Alpha (41:09) Warsh Has No Spine: Why There's No Rate Hike (44:14) AI Is The New Shale (51:07) The NVIDIA Trade Post-Mortem (55:04) Iran Is Getting Stopped Out -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Recorded live at the Out East Conference, Avi sits down with Seth Ginns, CIO of Franklin Crypto and formerly of CoinFund and Jennison Associates. Seth spent eighteen years in public equities before becoming a seed investor in Coinbase in 2012 and building one of the largest liquid crypto funds in the market. We discuss how the Global Financial Crisis is what pushed him into crypto, why he waited years for institutional custody before launching a fund, why he believes 2026 is the year crypto and traditional finance finally converge, what Tesla and Amazon taught him about betting on founders instead of cash flows, why you can't bet on cash cows in the age of AI, why Franklin Templeton doubled down on crypto in a downturn, why the Clarity Act doesn't actually need to pass for the market to move, and his front-row stories from Lehman's headquarters the day it collapsed. Enjoy! -- Follow Seth: https://x.com/sethginns Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:31) 18 Years At Jennison, Then Crypto (01:59) Seed Investing In Coinbase In 2012 (05:30) 2026: The Year Crypto And TradFi Converge (08:31) Tesla, Amazon & Why Value Capture Is A Myth (11:12) You Can't Bet On Cash Cows Anymore (13:45) Why Franklin Templeton Bought A Crypto Fund (16:53) The Clarity Act Doesn't Need To Pass (20:13) Lehman, COVID & The Craziest Days In Markets -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, with Bitcoin ripping 25% off the lows and NVIDIA earnings on deck, we break down why the market has flipped from fundamentals back to macro. We discuss the lockout rally and the two conditions that turned Avi bullish on Bitcoin and gold, why all roads lead to debasement, whether the Druckenmiller op-ed against Scott Bessent was actually an op, the history of the Bank of England trade and why intervention almost never works, the Zcash ETF launch and why the chart is setting up, why you should never take advice from someone who's never traded, how to pick a megatrend and ride it without getting shaken out, the Costanza rule for taking the other side of panic, the best list of trading rules Jonah has ever received, and why NVIDIA might finally rip on earnings this time. Enjoy! -- Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:59) Bitcoin's Lockout Rally & The Return Of Debasement (11:03) Was The Druckenmiller Op-Ed An Op? (14:59) Why Bessent's Intervention Might Actually Work (25:58) Zcash's ETF & Why The Chart Looks Strong (31:27) Pick Your Megatrend And Ride It (37:02) Take The Other Side Of Panic (45:24) Mind Like Water: The Best Trading Rules Ever Written -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Recorded live at the Out East Summit, Avi sits down with Evgeny Gokhberg, founder and CIO of Re7 Capital, one of the last market-neutral funds still managing serious capital in crypto. We discuss his decade in TradFi trading emerging markets — shorting Chinese real estate through Australian iron ore, trading Egyptian stocks after the Arab Spring, why he left a comfortable seat to "1000x" his career, the DeFi "aha" moment when crypto finally had real businesses to value, how Re7 earns yield by doing what banks do (market-making and lending, now on tokenized stocks like Nvidia), what a DeFi vault actually is and who's investing in them, why he never touched Luna and why Michael Saylor isn't the same trade, and the real AI risk to DeFi — which has nothing to do with AI breaking smart contracts. Enjoy! -- Follow Evgeny: https://x.com/evgeny_re7 Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:53) One Of The Last Market-Neutral Funds In Crypto (02:17) Shorting China, Trading Egypt After The Arab Spring (07:43) How AI Is Distorting Research (And Who It Fools) (12:16) Why He Left TradFi To "1000x" His Career (16:23) The DeFi Aha Moment & How Yield Actually Works (22:01) Doing What Banks Do: Market-Neutral On Tokenized Nvidia (27:53) Surviving Luna, Saylor & The Real AI Risk To DeFi -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This week, Avi sits down with Andrew Chanin, CEO of ProcureAM and founder of PureFunds, one of the best in the business at spotting narratives before the market catches on. We discuss how he launched HACK, the first cybersecurity ETF, just two weeks before the Sony breach, what it was really like market-making ETFs on the floor of the American Stock Exchange during the 2008 crisis, why the real edge is reading the documents nobody wants to read, the story behind the UFO space ETF, whether SpaceX is the only game in town after its IPO, the militarization of space and the new space race, and why companies staying private for so long is quietly reshaping the ETF model. Enjoy! -- Follow Andrew: https://x.com/ETFwunderkind Follow Avi: https://x.com/AviFelman Follow Jonah: https://x.com/jvb_xyz Follow 1000x: https://x.com/1000xPod Join the 1000x Telegram: https://t.me/thousandxpod Try the 1000x Terminal: https://1000x.money -- Timestamps: (00:00) Coming Up on 1000x... (00:32) The First Cyber ETF — Two Weeks Before The Sony Hack (03:01) Confessions Of An ETF Market Maker (08:59) Stop Picking Up Pennies: Read What Nobody Reads (15:36) The NASDAQ Lawsuit That Cost Him A $10B Business (20:17) What Is The UFO ETF? (27:22) Is SpaceX The Only Game In Town Now? (31:30) The Militarization Of Space & The New Space Race (38:01) Why Private Markets Are Breaking The ETF Model -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on 1000x is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Avi, Jonah and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.