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AI promises to make work easier, but what happens when that same technology threatens our jobs, identity and sense of purpose? Claudine Wong and Lisa Bernard sit down with Cassandra Worthy to unpack 'AI grief'—the emotional response to changes artificial intelligence is bringing to work and everyday life. Drawing on her corporate experience and Change Enthusiasm framework, Cassandra explores why fear and frustration deserve attention, how leaders can support employees through uncertainty, and how curiosity, resilience and human connection can help us navigate what comes next. About the Guest Cassandra Worthy is a bestselling author, internationally recognized speaker, chemical engineer by training and founder of Change Enthusiasm Global. After 15 years in corporate roles, predominantly at Procter & Gamble, and experiencing two major acquisitions, she developed a three-step approach to navigating change: signal, opportunity and choice. Key Topics ·         What AI grief means beyond the fear of losing a job ·         The three steps of Change Enthusiasm: signal, opportunity and choice ·         Why acknowledging fear is different from forcing positivity ·         What managers owe employees when AI may eliminate positions ·         Learning AI while feeling threatened by it ·         Generational differences and the importance of human connection ·         Practical ways to turn anxiety into curiosity and action Episode Timestamps 00:00 — Welcome: AI anxiety and the changing workplace 01:12 — Defining AI grief 02:56 — Cassandra’s background and Change Enthusiasm 04:31 — Why constant change can be exhausting 05:07 — Signal, opportunity and choice 06:41 — Why AI feels different from previous disruptions 08:30 — Managing collective anxiety 10:13 — Why grief and fear deserve attention 13:02 — Focus on what you can control 14:25 — How long should grief last? 17:37 — Managers and emotional honesty 20:06 — Learning AI while fearing replacement 21:01 — Transparency about potential layoffs 24:21 — Finding support and taking action 25:20 — Community and human connection 28:53 — Generations and adapting to change 32:16 — Could AI make us more human? 34:33 — Entrepreneurship and new opportunities 35:05 — Cassandra’s own difficult days 37:03 — Concrete ways to begin 39:15 — Why difficult emotions help us grow 40:17 — Compassion and closing thoughts Key Takeaways ·         AI grief can involve the loss of familiar routines, colleagues, roles and a sense of security. ·         Cassandra encourages people to treat emotions as signals, then look for opportunities and make choices. ·         Leaders can help by allowing honest conversations rather than insisting on optimism. ·         Human relationships, curiosity and learning remain important amid AI disruption. “AI grief is the grief that comes when we are recognizing what we’re losing because of the advent of AI.” “You have got to allow employees to feel heard and understood by the difficult emotions that they experience.” “If you’re feeling anxious and fearful, listen to it. Don’t ignore it.” Notable Quotes (from the episode)“AI grief is the grief that comes when we are recognizing what we’re losing because of the advent of AI.” “You have got to allow employees to feel heard and understood by the difficult emotions that they experience.” “If you’re feeling anxious and fearful, listen to it. Don’t ignore it.” Connect With Us Claudine Wong — Instagram & Facebook: @ClaudineWongKTVU | TikTok: @ClaudineKTVU | YouTube: @ClaudineWong Lisa Bernard — Instagram: @DemystifyAI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former MLS player and San Jose Earthquakes standout Kelly Gray joins Claudine Wong and Alex Lobban for a candid conversation about his journey from Bay Area youth soccer to the professional ranks — and why he believes American youth soccer has lost some of its joy. After playing at the University of Portland under legendary coach Clive Charles and representing the United States at the 2001 FIFA U-20 World Cup, Gray faced a defining choice: pursue opportunities in Europe or sign with Major League Soccer. He chose MLS, beginning an eight-season career that included Chicago Fire, San Jose Earthquakes and Houston Dynamo. Now the founder of Cinch Sports, Gray discusses expensive club programs, excessive training, parental pressure, burnout and why giving kids more freedom to play could change the game. The conversation also explores coaching, team chemistry and the future identity of American soccer. Guest: Kelly Gray is a former Major League Soccer player, youth soccer coach, commentator and founder of Cinch Sports, a youth sports management company. A Bay Area native, he represented the U.S. at the U-20 World Cup and won the Supporters’ Shield with San Jose in 2005 and MLS Cup with Houston in 2006. Episode Highlights: [00:01:39] Growing Up with the Game — Playing multiple sports, pickup soccer and developing a love of competition. [00:03:42] The Importance of Perseverance — Overcoming a difficult stretch in youth soccer and rediscovering confidence. [00:06:45] The Coach Who Changed Everything — How Clive Charles shaped Gray as a player and person. [00:13:34] The Road to the U-20 World Cup — From college soccer to the U.S. national youth team. [00:15:39] Why Gray Chose MLS Over Europe — Weighing overseas opportunities against a professional pathway at home. [00:20:52] MLS Success, Burnout and Walking Away — Championship seasons and the personal choices behind retirement. [00:26:20] Life After Professional Soccer — Finding a new purpose through coaching and youth sports. [00:31:19] Has Youth Soccer Lost Its Way? — Why the sport has become too expensive and overstructured. [00:33:59] Why Kids Need More Free Play — Pickup games, creativity and independent decision-making. [00:39:16] The Reality of Pay-to-Play — Educating parents and changing club incentives. [00:44:40] The Cost of Competitive Soccer — Travel, fees and the missing middle between recreational and elite soccer. [00:47:49] Talent vs. Team Chemistry — Why the best players do not automatically make the best team. [00:52:21] Finding an American Soccer Identity — How U.S. Soccer can develop its own approach. [00:56:17] The Future of MLS — Gray’s vision for the league’s continued growth. Why This Conversation Matters: Youth soccer has evolved from an affordable way to play and build friendships into an increasingly expensive, highly structured industry. Gray challenges parents, coaches and clubs to ask whether more training really means better development — and whether the game can become more fun, creative and accessible again. Connect with Us: Offside in the Bay: https://www.ktvu.com/tag/podcasts/offside-in-the-bay Claudine Wong: Facebook & Instagram: ClaudineWongKTVU | TikTok: ClaudineKTVU | YouTube: ClaudineWong Alex Lobban: Instagram: @thealexlobban Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave Clark hosts a fun conversation with a range of topics. Featured on the panel are pro boxers Steve Johnson, Jahoska Chamorro, and baker John Luckey. The panel features: - Celebrity/YouTuber Boxing Matches -     Family Coach/Working With Family -     Specializing in one sport/skill -     Participation trophies in youth activities - Cross-Combat Fighters (MMA, Kickboxers) - Same breakfast, every morning - Breakfast foods for dinner - Watching workout videos/selfies on social media - Driverless Cars - Asking ChatGPT for advice Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Torrez hosts an engaging conversation with a range of topics. Featured on the panel are comedians Jay Rich and Carinne Salnave. The panel features: - Splurging on Food -     Fast Food Deals -     Food Delivery -     Blocked Voicemails - Venmo to break no contact - Unadding on social media - Second Chances - Divorce Parties - Renewing Vows - Sports Betting - Casinos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bryan Gallo hosts a fun conversation with a range of topics. Featured on the panel is content creator C. Lee, artist Project Poppa, and podcaster Lord Rab. The panel features: - Following back -     Taking meal off the check -     Tip Included -     Favorite Rap Song - Best artist out now - Splitting the check Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andre Senior hosts a conversation that's all about music and social etiquette. Featured on the panel are DJ Tasi of 99.7, DJ Shellheart of the Golden State Valkyries, and owner of Studio X in Oakland, Karina Flonnoy. The panel features: - Verzuz Battles -     Comparing Bay Area Music to other regions -     AI Generated Music/Beats -     Judging an album after first listen - Vinyl records over streaming - Taking song requests from the audience - People who take karaoke too serious - Exercising without music - Dating someone with no social media - Paying to use a dating app - Using AI to write your dating app bio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bryan Gallo hosts a conversation that's all about comedy. Featured on the panel are comedians Corde Snell, Nina G, and Inac Karacaylak. The panel features: - Drunk audience -     Crowd work -     Swearing -     Punching Down - Dating comedians Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pam Cook hosts a conversation that's all about party and friendship etiquette. Featured on the panel is Nursing student Natalie Haro, radio personality Morris Knight, and caterer Krieg Fayed. The panel features: - Arriving First At A Party -     Leaving a party without saying goodbye -     Being in charge of the party music -     Randomly bringing a plus one - Public marriage proposals - Venmo requesting a friend for a $5 purchase - Canceling traditional homework - Replacing textbooks with audiobooks/podcasts - Sharing fitness achievements on social media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sal Castaneda hosts a fun conversation for this episode. Featured on the panel are comedians Emily Van Dyke, Paul Conyers, and Xander Beltran. The panel features: - All Inclusive Vacations -     Off season traveling -     Hecklers -     Comedy Roasts - Canceling Comedians - Texting first - Avoiding messy food - Updating friends on a date - Catering vs Home cooking Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bryan Gallo hosts a fun conversation with four local musicians. Featured on the panel is rapper Solus The Happy Human, R&B singer Sabrina Shauna, Singer Sunday, and Singer/Author Cash Campain. The panel features: - Clean Versions Of Songs -     AI Music -     Shooting your shot in a song -     Breaking up through song Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andre Senior hosts a fun conversation with three Bay Area creatives. Featured on the panel are musical artist Adrian Marcel, creative designer Antone Rushing, and executive director Damien "Uncle" Posey. The panel features: - Retail Therapy -     Wearing what's on trend -     Outfit repeating at public events -     Specializing in only one skill -     Comparing Bay Area music to other regions -     Using "Street Cred" in Hip-Hop today - Separating the artist from controversy - Politically Conscious Artists/Celebrities - Holograms of late music artists Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Torrez hosts an enlightening conversation with three Bay Area musicians. Featured on the panel are magician/photographer Ramon Piquero, comedy promoter Rudy Tabasa, and expert traveling healer, Crystal Lopez. The panel features: - Pumpkin Spice Lattes -     Change Home Decor -     Halloween costume shopping -     Gambling Apps -     Reality TV Shows -     AI Music - Splitting bill on first date - Dating friends' exes - Moving in first - Advice from strangers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bryan Gallo hosts an enlightening conversation with two Bay Area musicians. Featured on the panel is rapper P-Lo and Producer DJ Cilla. The panel features: - Musicians & Politics -     Older rappers -     Rebranding -     Country Rap -     Potty Mouth Rappers -     Drake Sampling - LGBTQ Musicians Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Start your day with KTVU's Dave Clark and Pam Cook as the Bay Area’s top news team bring you the latest this morning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

KTVU's Andre Senior, Pam Cook, Sal Castaneda, and Devin Trubey bring you mid-morning updates on the biggest news of the day . From breaking local developments to the day's top stories and weather, the Bay Area's top rated team has you covered. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices