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The New For Purpose CEO

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83 episodes
Language
English
Date created
2025/03/04
Latest episode
2026/10/21
Average duration
29 min.
Release period
7 days

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Ever wondered what happens when CEOs of purpose-driven organisations sit down together for a chat? With 30 years’ of combined experience in the for-purpose space, we knew these conversations should be stored and shared!! We tackle the real questions: How do you build and sustain a thriving organisational culture? How do you manage relationships with your board and your chair? How do you preserve your peace of mind while carrying the weight of responsibility of being a for-purpose CEO. For those who are new to the role or eyeing it on the horizon, the importance of a support network cannot be overstated. This is why this podcast was created - to be a valuable source of information and support, offering ideas and insights you can implement in your organisation immediately. We share the stories and challenges CEOs tell each other when we get together - and chat through how to address issues unique to NFP CEOs in every episode. Wherever you are in your NPF CEO journey, there’s something here for you. We are about our community supporting each other. Creating more impact and driving better outcomes for the sector and those that we serve is what we are all about. LINKS Website: https://thenfpceo.com.au/ This podcast is recorded on country of the Cameraygal and Darramuragal Peoples.

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Thinking about a move from Corporate into CEO at a Not for Profit?
2026/10/21
Are your skills transferable to the not-for-profit sector? If you're considering a move from corporate leadership, professional services or a commercial business into a for-purpose organisation, you may have more relevant experience than you realise. In this episode of The NFP CEO Podcast, Michelle shares lessons from her own transition from private practice as a finance and corporate lawyer into business development, strategy and not-for-profit CEO role. She explains why commercial experience is valuable in the for-purpose sector, how success is measured differently, and what aspiring not-for-profit leaders need to understand about funding, governance, stakeholder relationships and working with limited resources. In this episode, you'll learn:How to identify your transferable skills: Why commercial acumen, financial management, negotiation, business development, operations and data skills are relevant to not-for-profit leadership.How to connect your skills to purpose: How to explain the contribution you want to make, even if your role won't involve direct service delivery.What success looks like in a not-for-profit: How financial sustainability supports broader goals such as service delivery, advocacy and social change.Why stakeholder management matters: How to navigate the different priorities of boards, funders, government, donors, staff, clients, families, volunteers and regulators.What to expect from resource constraints: Why you may need to take a hands-on approach and find practical ways to deliver results with smaller teams and less internal support.How to build a strong CEO–board relationship: Why understanding governance, delegations, communication and the respective roles of the CEO and board is essential.Why collaboration and consultation are important: How decision-making and working across organisational boundaries can differ from the private sector.How to prepare for the transition: Ways to learn about your chosen sector, including volunteering, attending sector events and speaking with people already working in it.How to answer “Why do you want to work in the for-purpose sector?”: Why a specific, credible explanation is more persuasive than simply saying you want to give back. Practical advice for people considering a moveBefore applying for a not-for-profit leadership role, take time to understand the organisation's funding model, regulatory environment, beneficiaries and key stakeholders. Think about how your existing skills would apply in that context, and be ready to explain how you would use them to support the organisation's purpose. Michelle's central message is that your commercial experience can be a significant asset. The transition is about learning the sector, adapting your approach and understanding what success means in a purpose-led organisation. Listen to the episode to learn how to prepare for a move into the for-purpose sector and make your existing experience relevant to a new leadership context. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
When Your Best Leaders Aren’t the Right Leaders
2026/10/14
What do you do when the executive team that got your organisation to where it is today is no longer the team you need for the future? In this episode of The NFP CEO, Michelle and Danielle explore how nonprofit and for-purpose CEOs can approach executive team restructuring following growth, a merger, changes in funding or a shift in strategic direction. They discuss how to recognise when leadership capabilities no longer match organisational needs, assess the skills required to deliver your strategy, and make difficult decisions without letting personal relationships dictate the structure. In this episode, you'll learn: The warning signs that your executive team may no longer fit your organisation.How to assess leadership capability against your three-to-five-year strategy.Why you should design roles around organisational needs, not individual personalities.How to improve role clarity, reporting lines and executive accountability.When to seek independent advice, and how to involve your board.How to communicate a restructure and manage redundancies with dignity and respect. A practical takeaway for CEOs: Start with your strategy, define the capabilities and structure you need, then assess your existing team against those requirements. Don't start with the people and build the structure around them. Executive restructuring isn't necessarily a judgement on past performance. It's about ensuring your leadership team has the capability to deliver your organisation's future mission. Listen to the episode for practical guidance on making difficult leadership decisions with clarity, fairness and purpose. Reach out if you are looking for support in restructuring or building your senior leadership team. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
The Imperfect CEO with Jim Brown
2026/10/07
What if being a better CEO doesn’t mean having all the answers? In this episode, Michelle and Danielle speak with Jim Brown, author of The Imperfect CEO and The Imperfect Board Member, about what it really takes to lead when you don’t and can’t have all the answers. They explore how CEOs can use humility, complementary leadership strengths and healthy disagreement to build stronger executive teams and more effective organisations. In this episode:Why CEOs need to stop trying to appear perfectHow acknowledging your weaknesses can strengthen your leadership teamCreating a culture where people feel safe to challenge the CEOWhy humility strengthens authority rather than diminishing itThe CEO’s role as a “translator” between the board and executive teamThe critical distinction between the board’s “what” and management’s “how”How boards can avoid slipping into operational managementTurning disagreement into better decision-making Ask yourself: Where am I trying to be the expert when I actually need to create space for someone else’s expertise? Great leadership is about creating the conditions for the right people to bring their best thinking. Access to the book: The Imperfect CEO: Making the Climb to Organizational Health Connect with Jim Brown: linkedin.com/in/authorjimbrown Connect with The NFP CEO: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
5 Ways I use AI as a CEO
2026/09/30
AI is quickly becoming another tool in the CEO toolkit, but how can a not-for-profit CEO actually use it in the day-to-day work of leading an organisation? In this episode of The NFP CEO, Danielle shares five practical ways she uses Microsoft Copilot in her own CEO role. This episode is about using AI as a CEO's chief of staff, strategic thinking partner and productivity amplifier. In this episodeDanielle explains how she uses AI to: 1. Create a personalised AI assistant 2. Build a CEO weekly briefing 3. Create slide decks and presentations faster 4. Improve board reports and business cases 5. Use AI as a strategic thinking partner The lesson for NFP CEOsThe most useful application of AI may not be automating tasks. It may be reducing cognitive load while increasing the quality of CEO thinking and communication. AI can act as a readily available Chief of Staff, strategic adviser and thinking partner but the CEO still needs to provide the judgement, context and accountability. And one final rule: AI makes mistakes. Check the output before you send it, publish it or rely on it. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Dysfunctional Executives. Actions for the CEO
2026/09/23
What happens when the problem isn’t one difficult executive, but the executive team itself? In this episode of The NFP CEO Podcast, Michelle and Danielle explore what CEOs can do when their leadership team is operating in silos, avoiding difficult conversations, undermining decisions or relying on the CEO to resolve disputes. They discuss: The difference between healthy debate and destructive conflictWhy CEOs need to look at their own leadership role in creating or reinforcing dysfunctionHow functional silos can affect the people and communities an organisation servesWhy CEOs need to set clear expectations for executive team behaviourThe importance of accountability for leadership behaviours, not just functional performanceWhen coaching, mediation or other interventions may be appropriateWhy an executive team needs to think beyond individual portfolios and take an organisation-wide view A key message for CEOs: you can’t manage around executive team dysfunction indefinitely. If the leadership team isn’t functioning as a team, it ultimately becomes the CEO’s responsibility to address it. Listen to the episode for a practical conversation about leading a high-performing executive team in a not-for-profit organisation. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Aligning your senior leadership team
2026/09/16
High-performing leaders don’t always make a high-performing leadership team. In this episode of The NFP CEO, Michelle and Danielle explore how CEOs can build a more aligned, cohesive executive team. They discuss shared priorities, collective accountability, healthy disagreement, decision-making and leading beyond individual functions to achieve the best outcomes for the organisation. This episode covers: Top 5 Topics DiscussedBuilding a cohesive senior leadership team – Moving from high-performing functional leaders to one aligned executive team.Shared priorities and organisational strategy – Ensuring leaders focus on what the organisation needs to achieve, not just their own functions.Healthy disagreement and decision-making – Creating space for debate while achieving alignment and collective accountability.The CEO’s role in leadership alignment – Setting clear expectations, decision-making responsibilities and leading across the organisation.Breaking down silos and strengthening culture – Improving collaboration, resource allocation and consistent communication across teams. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Non Profit Branding - Your Zone of Unique Value
2026/09/09
What does your brand actually say about your organisation and does it match the experience people have when they deal with you? In this episode of The NFP CEO, we chat with Chelsea Beech, founder of Beech Agency, about why branding, communications and audience engagement matter so much for not-for-profits and for-purpose organisations. Chelsea shares a practical way for CEOs and leadership teams to think about their zone of unique value — moving beyond jargon like “unique value proposition” to ask a much more useful question: what makes our organisation valuable and relevant to the people we most want to reach? We talk about: Finding your organisation’s zone of unique valueWhy understanding your audience is just as important as understanding what you doBringing frontline and operational teams into brand and strategy conversationsCreating consistency across fundraising, marketing, corporate communications and the wider organisationThe changing expectations of donors, particularly younger generationsWhy trust, transparency and accountability are increasingly important in charity communicationsUsing storytelling to explain not just what you do, but how and why you do itWhy brand is much more than a logo, colours or fontsHow CEOs can assess whether their organisation’s messaging is clear, compelling, consistent and confidentHow to make the business case for brand investment to your board One of Chelsea’s most useful reminders is that your brand is ultimately about the place your organisation holds in the hearts and minds of the people you serve, your supporters, your employees and your wider community. For NFP leaders, that makes brand much bigger than marketing. It is about the experience of your organisation and whether everything you do tells the same story. Beech Agency | Strategy & creative for non-profit & for-purpose orgs Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Your CFO is more than numbers - how the CEO can maximise their skills
2026/09/02
Financial management is about much more than balancing the books. For not-for-profit CEOs and boards, understanding the numbers is critical to financial sustainability, managing risk and delivering on mission. In this episode, Michelle and Danielle are joined by Tom Nisevic, an experienced CFO and business transformation leader, to explore how NFP leaders can use financial insight to make better strategic decisions. In this episode, we discuss:What every NFP CEO should know about their organisation’s financesWhy “no margin, no mission” mattersUnderstanding the true cost of delivering impactManaging funding concentration risk and diversificationHow CEOs should use budgets and forecasts to look forward, not just backwardThe importance of understanding the assumptions behind the numbersBuilding an effective CEO-CFO partnershipThe CFO’s role in board governance and decision-makingWhy every board paper should answer the question: “So what?”Creating a culture where CFOs can challenge thinkingWhy the CFO should be a strategic partner, not the “bad cop” The key messageYour CFO should be much more than the person who reports the numbers. A strong CEO-CFO partnership connects financial performance, strategy, risk, opportunity and organisational impact — helping NFPs make informed decisions and build long-term financial resilience. As Tom puts it, sustainable performance is about: Results × Behaviours Because in the NFP sector, financial sustainability isn't separate from mission — it enables the mission. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
5 Cyber Safe Moves Every CEO Should Make
2026/08/26
Cybersecurity is a CEO and Board responsibility, not something you delegate to the IT crowd. In this episode, we explore five practical actions NFPs can take now to reduce cyber risk and protect people, data and service continuity. Our 5 prioritiesEnable MFA everywhereTrain your peopleLimit accessTest recoveryPatch, monitor and test The CEO questionIf your organisation suffered a major cyberattack tomorrow, could you protect your data, recover your systems and continue delivering essential services? Cybersecurity is now a core part of NFP governance, risk management and organisational resilience. This may be the prompt you need to review how you protect your data, your people and community. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Secrets of Successful Grant Seeking with Jo Garner
2026/08/19
How do you move beyond “apply for everything” and build a sustainable funding strategy? In this episode, Michelle and Danielle are joined by Jo Garner, CEO and founder of Strategic Grants, to unpack what it really takes to secure grant funding. Jo brings more than 30 years of experience across the for-profit and not-for-profit sectors and has worked with thousands of organisations across Australia and New Zealand. She shares why successful grant seeking starts long before the application is written — with strategy, planning, strong governance, clear priorities and genuine relationships with funders. In this episodeWe explore: What it means to be “funder ready”Why grant seeking should start with your organisation’s strategic plan and missionHow to avoid the “spray and pray” approach to grant applicationsWhy the best grant application is often determined before the writing beginsHow to identify and package projects that are genuinely fundableWhat funders want to see when assessing need, capability, outcomes and impactHow to build a funding prospect pipelineWhy relationships with funders are critical to sustainable philanthropic supportWhat should stay in-house and what can be outsourcedHow CEOs, boards and fundraising teams can manage funder relationships effectivelyUsing AI to improve grant-writing efficiency without losing your organisation’s voice, authenticity and confidentialityHow the rise of AI-generated applications could change the way funders assess open funding roundsWhy brand, reputation and networking may become increasingly important in getting noticed by fundersWhat happens after you win: acquittal, stewardship and nurturing the funder relationshipWhy organisations need to be careful about growing faster than their capacity to deliver Grant writing is only one part of successful grant seeking. The real work starts much earlier: understanding your mission, identifying your priorities, building evidence around need, developing fundable projects, researching the right funding opportunities and building authentic relationships with potential funders. As Jo puts it, the goal is to become “funder ready” creating a proactive, strategic and repeatable approach to funding rather than relying on last-minute applications. Strategic Grants | Secure Grant Funding for Nonprofits Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Committees: Getting More from Your Board
2026/08/12
Board committees can be a powerful governance tool for NFP CEOs — but only when they are used effectively. In this episode of The NFP CEO, Michelle and Danielle discuss how CEOs can use committees to: Test business cases, recommendations and assumptions before they reach the boardKeep operational detail out of the boardroomStrengthen board decision-making and assuranceAvoid duplicating discussions between committees and the boardWork effectively with committee chairsUse committees as a sounding board for complex issuesShowcase executive capability and organisational bench strengthMaintain clear terms of reference, roles and responsibilities They also explore what to do when committees become too operational, how to avoid “no surprises” when reworking board papers, and how CEOs can help boards spend more time on strategy and less time on operational detail. Topics: NFP governance, board committees, NFP CEOs, board governance, CEO and board relationships, committee terms of reference, strategic governance. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
The Neuroscience of Change Leadership with Clare Edwards
2026/08/05
Change is constant in the NFP sector and it's accelerating. So how can CEOs and leaders help their people navigate uncertainty, change fatigue and organisational transformation? In this episode of The NFP CEO Podcast, we speak with Clare Edwards from Brain Smart People Development about the neuroscience of change leadership and what it means for NFP leaders. We explore: Why change fatigue is becoming a major leadership challengeHow neuroscience explains our response to uncertainty and changeWhy traditional change management approaches aren't always enoughHow leaders can build psychological safety, agency and autonomyPractical tools for managing uncertainty, including the Circle of CertaintyWhy leaders need to create dialogue rather than simply communicateHow empathy, self-awareness and storytelling can improve change leadershipWhy CEOs need to help people become more comfortable with uncertainty and ambiguityThe importance of listening to sceptics and creating genuine employee engagement For NFP CEOs and leaders navigating reform, restructuring, funding uncertainty or organisational transformation, this conversation offers practical insights into leading people through change while keeping the human element at the centre. Guest: Clare Edwards: Human-centred Professional Development Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
What is Your Reserves Policy?
2026/07/29
How much money should a not-for-profit have in reserve? Is three months of operating expenses enough? Six months? Or should your board be thinking about reserves in a completely different way? In this episode of The NFP CEO Podcast, Michelle and Danielle unpack a misunderstood area of nonprofit financial governance: reserves policies. Many charities and not-for-profits either don't have a reserves policy or rely on outdated rules of thumb that don't reflect today's operating environment. With increasing financial uncertainty, government funding changes, marketisation of services, and growing cash flow pressures, having a clear reserves strategy has never been more important. Rather than focusing only on how much money should sit in the bank, this episode explores why organisations hold reserves, when they should be used, and how boards can make better strategic decisions about their financial sustainability. In this episode you'll learn: What a reserves policy is and why you should have oneHow much money a not-for-profit should keep in reserveWhy "three months' operating costs" isn't always the right answerThe difference between a reserves policy and a minimum reserves policyHow to calculate reserve requirements using organisational wind-up costsWhen it is appropriate to use financial reservesHow reserves can fund growth, innovation, acquisitions and strategic investment to meet purposeWhy reserves improve board governance and CEO decision-makingThe growing importance of reserves as government-funded services move to payment in arrearsHow annual board discussions about reserves strengthen organisational strategy and risk management Whether you're a CEO, board director, CFO or finance manager, this episode will help you rethink what financial resilience looks like in today's nonprofit environment. Listen now to discover how a well-designed reserves policy can become one of your organisation's most powerful governance and strategic planning tools. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
From Tension to Trust. The Chair/CEO Relationship
2026/07/22
The relationship between a not-for-profit CEO and their board chair is arguably the most important leadership relationship. When it's working well, it creates trust, clarity and better governance. When it's under strain, it can affect decision-making, organisational culture, executive performance and mission impact. In this episode of The NFP CEO Podcast, Michelle and Danielle unpack the realities of the Chair–CEO relationship, exploring why tension develops, how CEOs can identify early warning signs, and practical strategies for strengthening one of the most critical partnerships in nonprofit leadership. Whether you're a first-time CEO, an experienced executive, a board chair or a director, this episode offers practical advice for creating a productive, respectful and high-performing governance relationship. In this episode you'll learn:Why the Chair–CEO relationship is the foundation of effective nonprofit governance.The common causes of tension between CEOs and board chairs.How unresolved conflict impacts organisational culture, leadership teams and board effectiveness.Why most Chair–CEO challenges are situational rather than personal.How CEOs can identify the real source of conflict before it escalates.The importance of regular communication and structured CEO–Chair check-ins.How to have difficult conversations without damaging the relationship.Why focusing on issues—not personalities—leads to better governance outcomes.Strategies for working with an overcommitted board chair.Practical advice for first-time CEOs building relationships with their board.How experienced CEOs can support first-time board chairs while maintaining good governance.What to do when your board publicly challenges your proposal or business case.Why curiosity and inquiry are more effective than defensiveness in the boardroom.How to receive criticism professionally and move discussions towards constructive outcomes.Why understanding your Chair's communication and leadership style matters.How to build trust over time through consistency, transparency and strategic alignment. The most effective leaders avoid making disagreements personal. Instead, they remain focused on organisational outcomes, ask thoughtful questions and work collaboratively to find solutions that benefit the organisation. When CEOs approach difficult governance conversations with curiosity rather than defensiveness, they strengthen both their leadership and the effectiveness of their board. Connect with us: LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn
Resilience: How to Thrive Under Constant Pressure with Dr Alison Taylor
2026/07/15
What keeps non-profit CEOs going when the pressure never seems to stop? In this episode, we sit down with leadership researcher and resilience expert Dr Alison Taylor to explore one of the most critical capabilities for today's nonprofit leaders: resilience. From funding uncertainty and workforce shortages to regulatory reform, board expectations and growing community demand, not for profit CEOs are leading in an environment where constant change has become the norm. Dr Taylor explains why resilience is something you're born with AND a leadership capability that can be intentionally developed. Together, we unpack the practical habits, mindsets and systems that help leaders remain effective, make better decisions under pressure and sustain their wellbeing over the long term. Whether you're a CEO, executive or emerging leader, this conversation offers practical strategies to move beyond survival mode and build resilience that lasts. In this episode, we discuss:Why resilience is a capability, not just a personality traitThe four pillars of leadership resilienceHow to build and protect your resilience reservesThe role of trust in reducing leadership stressHow to build a strong support network as a leaderMoving from reactive leadership to intentional resilienceWhy the skills that get you into a CEO role aren't always the ones that sustain you Connect with The NFP CEO PodcastIf you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a review and share it with another nonprofit leader who could benefit from the conversation. Strong organisations need resilient leaders—and resilience is something we can all continue to build. LinkedIn: The NFP CEO: Overview | LinkedIn Website: thenfpceo.com.au Michelle Cutler: Michelle Cutler | LinkedIn Danielle Ballantine: Danielle Ballantine | LinkedIn

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