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In this episode of the Collective Genius Podcast, host Leon Barnes talks with Rafa Loza, a CG Legacy member who is building five ultra luxury short term rentals at about $2 million each while running boutique hotels and long term rentals. Rafa started in 2017 with rental arbitrage, scaled to 16 units in his first nine months, watched COVID take his reservations from about $76,000 to $600, then rebuilt to 150 locations. He shares how hiring virtual assistants fixed his burnout, why he moved into ultra luxury stays and boutique hotels, how he structures investor deals with a 16% preferred return, and why masterminds were the biggest factor in his success. Rafa also walks through the eight AI agents that now handle his guest messaging and paperwork. If you're a real estate entrepreneur looking at short term rentals, hospitality, or using AI to scale, this one is required listening.   Timeline Summary [0:03] – Leon welcomes listeners and introduces Rafa, a CG Legacy member living lifestyle by design [2:24] – What Rafa does today: building five ultra luxury short term rentals at about $2 million each [7:14] – Rafa wanted to be a firefighter, but a four year wait pushed him toward entrepreneurship [9:32] – From collections and electronic recycling to catching the real estate bug [11:14] – Negative cash flow on a Southern California rental leads Rafa to Airbnb arbitrage [15:01] – Furnishing his first apartment on his twin brother's credit card for $9,000, with $6,000 profit in month one [16:12] – Raising money from family, hitting 16 units in nine months, and a $75,000 net monthly check [17:33] – COVID hits: reservations drop from about $76,000 to $600 and a 46 door lease is never signed [22:03] – Rebuilding with virtual assistants, scaling to 150 locations, and escaping the arbitrage guy label [23:15] – The market bubble bursts, regulations tighten, and Rafa cuts down to the locations that cash flow [26:21] – From brutal collections calls to hospitality, and hiring his first virtual assistant [30:22] – What separates Rafa's properties: guest experience and the ultra luxury customer [35:13] – How a 16 room boutique hotel became Rafa's first real estate purchase [39:39] – A 16% preferred return and an option to buy the house for investors who want depreciation [41:47] – Why masterminds were the biggest factor in Rafa's success [43:38] – Eight AI agents, automated guest messaging, and a Notion brain hub for virtual assistants   Key Takeaways Replace Yourself in the Work You Dislike. Rafa hired his first virtual assistant after burning out on guest messages, which freed him to scale. Know Your Customer. Rafa went ultra luxury because families and groups will pay about $1,500 a night to stay together in one amazing house. Keep Reserves and Watch the Market. Reinvesting everything left Rafa with no cushion when COVID hit, and the later short term rental bubble burst taught him to watch market conditions. Masterminds Accelerate Everything. Rafa credits the people he met in CG Legacy for his biggest deals and his growth as a leader. Use AI to Simplify First. Rafa started with one question, how can this make my life easier, and now eight AI agents handle guest messaging and paperwork.   Links & Resources The Big Break Show (Rafa Loza's podcast on Apple Podcasts): https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1598241366 The Big Break Show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7t83OU5jw5fXhIRbhI8Ccg Rafa Loza on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itsrafaloza/ Collective Genius Community: https://explorecg.com   Rafa's biggest takeaway was that none of this happened alone, since his first boutique hotel deal came through two fellow Legacy members. If you're a full time real estate entrepreneur looking to grow and scale, head to ExploreCG.com to learn more and apply.

John Heisler is a Collective Genius Premier member from Georgia who started in single family wholesaling and flipping, then pivoted his team into commercial real estate, buying eight commercial deals last year. Recorded live at CG's Q3 event in Dallas right after his Legacy room presentation, John breaks down how he brought residential acquisition systems into industrial and retail investing. He walks through his four lead channels for commercial deal flow (off market, brokers, on market, and referrals), how a tight buy box of 10,000 to 50,000 square feet sharpens every conversation, and the leadership lesson that hit him "like a ton of bricks." If you're a commercial or self storage operator struggling to close even 1 to 3 deals a year, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:29] – Recorded live at CG's Q3 event in Dallas, John Heisler returns after presenting to the Legacy commercial room [1:36] – How John moved from CG Select to Premier and from single family into commercial real estate [2:15] – Why commercial operators who skip wholesaling and flipping are far less focused on acquisitions [4:23] – The biggest gap in commercial: not making offers when a $2M building only underwrites at $1.2M [6:30] – Off market commercial leads from cold calling and direct mail to aging mom and pop owners [7:17] – Why commercial sellers respond at higher rates than residential sellers ever did [8:40] – Defining a tight buy box: industrial and retail, 10,000 to 50,000 sq ft, in a smaller radius [9:41] – Only about 10% of local parcels fit John's buy box, and why the rifle beats the shotgun [10:55] – Building broker relationships by calling on market listings and tracking KPIs in a CRM [13:12] – Winning on market deals in a stagnant market: talk to the broker first, then underwrite [14:18] – Free underwriting for CG members led to 4 commercial deals from referrals in 18 months [15:50] – The four lead channels for consistent deal flow: off market, brokers, on market, and referrals [17:13] – John realizes he's still micromanaging his team after the pivot to commercial [18:01] – Levi's horse to water lesson and what happens when the horse isn't thirsty [19:05] – John's action step: ask better questions instead of handing his team the answers [21:28] – From critical care to coaching operators, plus how to apply to Collective Genius   5 Key Takeaways Make More Commercial Offers — Most commercial investors underwrite a property, decide the number is too low, and move on without calling anyone. Make the offer anyway, because it's a business decision, not a personal one. Target Aging Mom and Pop Owners — Older owners of a few commercial properties still answer cold calls and open direct mail. Fewer investors are reaching out to them, so a real conversation stands out. Narrow Your Buy Box — Focusing on 10,000 to 50,000 sq ft industrial and retail in a tight radius means only about 10% of parcels qualify. That focus makes it easy for brokers and sellers to remember you as their buyer. Track Broker Relationships Like Leads — Use on market calls to start broker relationships, log them in a CRM, and measure weekly broker conversations as a KPI. Ask Before You Answer — Founders who solve every problem keep their teams dependent. Pausing to ask better questions builds leaders who can solve problems without you.   Links & Resources Apply to Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If John's four channel approach to commercial deal flow got you rethinking how many offers you're actually making, send this episode to an operator who's stuck relying on brokers alone. Follow the Collective Genius Podcast, and leave a rating and review so more real estate investors can find it.

In this episode of the Collective Genius Podcast, host Leon Barnes sits down with Clay Hepler, a Collective Genius member who acquires rural recreational and rural residential land an hour or more outside major cities. Clay started in house flipping, rentals, and wholesaling in Pittsburgh, acquired over 85 rental units in about a year, then rebuilt after rising rates and weak property management hit his cash flow. He shares how he moved into land flipping and then exempt minor subdivisions, growing profit per deal from about $20,000 to $200,000 and more, plus the hiring and process mistakes that cost him earnest money along the way. Clay and Leon also get into net profit over gross profit, why a CEO should act as the chief constraint officer, and how mobile homes on subdivided lots are the next step. If you're a real estate entrepreneur looking at land, subdivisions, or a more resilient way to scale, this one is required listening.   Timeline Summary [0:03] – Leon welcomes listeners and introduces Clay, the rare CG member who focuses only on land [2:48] – What Clay does today: buying rural recreational and residential land an hour or more outside major cities [3:37] – Cutting his teeth helping a Pittsburgh operator build an off market wholesaling and flipping company [6:38] – Scaling past 85 rental units in about a year with short term financing and private lenders [8:16] – Rising rates, falling rents, and bad property managers make the rental portfolio come crashing down [8:59] – Pivoting to land flipping as a virtual business when the competition was almost nonexistent [12:36] – The first year in Santa Rosa County, Florida, then building the business in South Carolina [15:46] – Why land lets profit per deal grow without risk climbing the way it does in house flipping [17:35] – Exempt minor subdivisions: how profit per deal grew from $20,000 to $200,000 and beyond [19:07] – Roughly 80% of the business is subdivisions, averaging $300,000 to $350,000 per deal in 8 to 10 months [21:07] – Following the affordable housing need by putting mobile homes on subdivided lots with a fellow CG member [24:08] – The biggest struggle: hiring before building the process, and losing earnest money because of it [26:49] – Why Clay now sees the CEO as the chief constraint officer instead of scaling out of the business [31:35] – How a weekly metric your team can see shows them you are in the boat [35:37] – Clay's college plan to become an ambassador, and what he is most proud of today [40:27] – Looking ahead to 2027 as a capital allocator and people allocator   5 Key Takeaways Profit Per Deal Can Outgrow Risk. With land, Clay says margins can grow as profit per deal rises, unlike house flipping where carrying costs climb with the price. Exempt Minor Subdivisions Opened a Niche. Targeting parcels with road frontage and utilities that skip heavy zoning requirements took Clay's profit per deal from about $20,000 to $200,000 and up. Build the Process Before You Hire. Clay lost earnest money and ran over on deals because he hired people before defining what good looks like. Focus on Net Profit, Not Scale. Clay measures progress by growing net profit 50% or 100%, not by scaling gross revenue. Lead From Inside the Boat. A weekly metric your team can see shows you are accountable, while talking about scaling out to live on a beach tells employees you will leave them on their own. Links & Resources Learn To Scale In Land: https://landman.io/ The Land Man Show (Clay Hepler's podcast): https://landman.buzzsprout.com Collective Genius Community: https://explorecg.com Clay's story of one conversation with a fellow member opening up a mobile home development is exactly why the right room matters. If you're a full time real estate entrepreneur looking to grow and scale, head to ExploreCG.com to learn more and apply.

Tim Vitale is a commercial multifamily operator and CG Legacy member who has built his reputation on low income LIHTC properties, with his last five deals all coming from the same seller. Recorded live at the Q3 Collective Genius event in Dallas, he returns to the show after presenting on acquisitions, even though he hasn't bought a deal in over two years. Tim breaks down why a tight buy box makes underwriting simple, how a reputation for closing gets you a seat at the table in commercial real estate, and where he sees opportunity as the debt maturity wall hits overleveraged multifamily owners. If you're a commercial or multifamily investor trying to buy smarter deals in a high interest rate market, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:22] – Leon welcomes Tim Vitale back, live from the Q3 Collective Genius event in Dallas, Texas [1:12] – Why acquisitions are the biggest challenge for commercial and multifamily operators right now [2:24] – Tim on presenting about acquisitions after going more than two years without buying a deal [3:27] – How a tight buy box beats shiny object syndrome and protects your time freedom [4:22] – Everyone has deal flow, so the real edge is learning to say no fast [6:00] – "Someone else's X is not ours" and why deal volume without context means nothing [7:07] – Doing a handful of deals at $500K to $1M each while wholesalers chase volume [7:46] – Treating underwriting like an algebra problem where X is your investor returns [9:32] – Why Tim's last five deals came from one seller and the power of reputation [9:55] – It took Tim three years to land his first commercial deal, and why reputation comes first [11:51] – How to figure out what you want to be known for before niching down [13:40] – Tim's late 2026 outlook on Treasury yields, inflation, and higher for longer interest rates [15:37] – How the commercial debt maturity wall is forcing distressed multifamily sellers to reprice [17:21] – Why staying power matters and knowing what you don't want beats knowing what you do [18:54] – The CG keynotes on operational excellence and leadership that hit hardest for Tim   5 Key Takeaways Define Your Buy Box First — A narrow, clearly defined buy box makes every decision easier. When you've decided ahead of time what fits, you can say no quickly and save your energy for the right deal. Underwrite Backward From Investor Returns — Tim treats underwriting like algebra, where X is what your investors will say yes to. Until you know that number, you don't know what to offer on a deal. Transacting Isn't Always Winning — Someone else doing 400 deals a year has nothing to do with your business. Decide what winning looks like for you and judge yourself against that. Reputation Opens Commercial Doors — In a small commercial real estate world, being known as someone who closes and is easy to work with gets you deals. Tim's last five acquisitions came from one seller for that reason. Distress Creates Buying Opportunities — With multifamily values down 20% to 30% and loans from the early 2020s coming due, overleveraged owners are motivated to sell. Operators who stay in one asset class will be best positioned to spot the good deals.   Links & Resources Collective Genius: https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If Tim's idea that someone else's X is not yours changed how you look at deal volume, share this episode with a commercial investor who's been chasing every deal that crosses their desk. Follow, rate, and review the Collective Genius Podcast so you never miss a live conversation from the room.

Kevin Ramirez is a longtime Collective Genius member who runs a fully virtual real estate investing company out of Raleigh, North Carolina, doing wholetail, fix and flip, and wholesale deals statewide. Since joining CG Select in 2020, he has nearly tripled his transactions and is on pace to roughly quadruple revenue, all while running lean with overseas talent. Kevin and host Leon Barnes talk through how he pivots exit strategies with the market, why he built a lifestyle first business that let him take two weeks in Spain, and how he skip traced Dana White with 14 direct mail letters to land floor seats at UFC 205. If you're a real estate entrepreneur trying to scale without bloating your team, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [1:09] – Leon welcomes Kevin Ramirez, the first Collective Genius member from North Carolina's Triangle on the show [2:07] – Kevin's path from applying in 2020 to joining the very first CG Select room [3:07] – Inside Kevin's fully virtual, statewide model: 60% wholetail and fix and flip, 40% wholesale and rentals [4:07] – Why tough back end sales and cash conversion cycles pushed Kevin toward wholetail [4:35] – How Kevin nearly tripled transactions and is on pace to quadruple revenue in six years [6:22] – Staying lean with overseas talent to build a lifestyle first real estate business [7:46] – How a stable acquisitions team let Kevin take a two week trip to Spain [9:33] – Fix your biggest pain first and ignore the shiny objects [10:37] – Moving from Venezuela at 14 and learning real estate through a Fortune Builders login [11:58] – Kevin's first deal: a 14 cent PPC click that became a $90,000 fix and flip [14:08] – Selling car wash memberships while doing 50/50 JV flips in his first year [16:34] – Hiring his first acquisitions manager in 2018 and running in person appointments until 2020 [20:08] – How Kevin skip traced Dana White and sent 14 letters to land floor seats at UFC 205 [25:37] – The two reasons Kevin kept growing while others in his CG cohort left the business [27:15] – Why hiring top talent is the key to scaling and Leon's case for operations over marketing [38:48] – Kevin's favorite Jason Medley quote: focus on the fact that you have what you asked for   5 Key Takeaways Match the Exit to the Market — Kevin went from 90% wholesale to mostly fix and flip in 2023 to leaning on wholetail now. Picking the best exit strategy for each deal is what kept him growing through a tough market. Fix Your Biggest Pain First — Instead of chasing every new strategy, Kevin focuses on whatever is draining the most energy right now. That pain point is usually where the most revenue is leaking out. Build a Lifestyle First Business — A lean, fully virtual team built on overseas talent keeps overhead low and lets Kevin travel. Revenue matters, but he treats it as secondary to the life the business supports. Scaling Is an Operations Problem — Your ability to scale reflects your ability to get other people to take action. More marketing and sales won't break the ceiling if hiring, delegating, and leadership lag behind. Use Your Business Skills Everywhere — Kevin used the same skip tracing and direct mail he uses on sellers to reach Dana White. Conviction plus the tools you already have can open doors most people assume are closed.   Links & Resources Collective Genius: https://explorecg.com The CG Podcast: https://thecgpodcast.com Follow Kevin on Instagram: https://instagram.com/gaylordfocker BiggerPockets: https://www.biggerpockets.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If Kevin's 14 letter play to reach Dana White got you thinking about how to use your own skills differently, share this episode with a fellow investor who's trying to scale without bloating their team. Follow, rate, and review the Collective Genius Podcast so you never miss a member story.

Jordan Samuel Fleming is the chairman of Smrtphone, the phone system and CRM integration platform he bootstrapped to nearly 60 employees with zero investors, and the author of The AI Workforce: How to Redesign and Scale Your Business with Intelligence. After eight years as CEO, he stepped into the chairman seat and now spends his time helping real estate investors understand how AI agents actually fit into a business. Recorded live at the Collective Genius Q3 event in Dallas, this conversation breaks down why plugging AI agents into your current process creates bottlenecks instead of leverage, and how redesigning your systems and org chart can let you scale revenue without scaling headcount. If you're a real estate investor spending money on marketing and wondering how to actually get ROI from AI, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:24] – Live from Dallas with 250 members across the CG CEO, Premiere, and Legacy groups at the Q3 September 2026 event [2:18] – Why Jordan hasn't been this excited about business in 15 years [2:46] – Bootstrapping Smrtphone to nearly 60 people with no outside investors [3:09] – Stepping out of the CEO seat after 8 years and into a chairman role [3:33] – How Smrtphone started by accident after Jordan met his partners at a Podio event [4:15] – Adding text messaging, power dialing, and AI agents by listening to customers [4:53] – Why syncing seller and buyer conversations to your CRM protects your marketing spend [6:01] – Smrtphone's out-of-the-box integrations with 12 real estate investor CRMs [6:44] – The presentation: why AI agents belong on your everyday org chart [7:11] – The hidden problem with putting a limitless AI agent into a limited human process [8:51] – Your AI agent can handle 500 leads an hour, but your team can only handle five [11:33] – Breaking the link between scaling your business and scaling your headcount [12:07] – Going from $1M to $5M with the same team instead of hiring more acquisitions managers [12:50] – The invisible human work hiding inside every process you think you've mapped [14:27] – Why agentic AI is the next wave and most investors aren't touching it yet [17:12] – Why real estate compliance matters as more investors get sued   5 Key Takeaways Fix the Process Before Adding AI — An AI agent dropped into a manual workflow just moves the bottleneck downstream. Redesign the handoffs first, or the extra capacity goes nowhere. Capacity Means Nothing Without Throughput — If your agent qualifies 500 leads an hour but your acquisitions team can only make offers on five, you haven't gained any real leverage. Scale Revenue, Not Headcount — People are the biggest expense in most businesses. Done right, AI agents let you grow from $1M to $5M or more with the team you already have. Work the Leads You Already Have — Before buying more leads, make sure every seller and buyer conversation syncs to your CRM so nothing you paid for slips through the cracks. Agentic AI Is Where Leverage Lives — Using AI for copy and scripts is table stakes. Agents that make decisions, take action, and own outcomes are the next real competitive edge for real estate operators. Links & Resources Smrtphone — https://smrtphone.io The AI Workforce: How to Redesign and Scale Your Business with Intelligence by Jordan Samuel Fleming Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If the idea of an AI agent handling 500 leads an hour while your team handles five hit a little too close to home, send this episode to the operator or acquisitions lead you're building your systems with. Then follow the Collective Genius Podcast and leave a rating and review so more real estate investors can find these conversations.

Jason Reynolds is the founder of Home Run Home Solutions in Allentown, Pennsylvania, and a Collective Genius Select member. He's also a former Division I pitcher who was drafted in the 32nd round and played up to High-A ball before going full time in real estate at the end of 2022. Jason shares how he used his draft signing bonus to buy his first duplex during Covid, then spun his wheels trying to scale on rental properties alone. He explains how flipping, wholesaling, and bringing construction in-house turned his business into a fast-growing fix and flip operation. If you're a real estate investor trying to scale through better marketing, stronger leadership, and smarter use of capital, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [1:31] – Leon Barnes welcomes back Select member Jason Reynolds, one year after his first CG podcast appearance [3:56] – Home Run Home Solutions in Allentown, PA, and the shift from a 50/50 to an 80/20 flip-to-wholesale mix [5:08] – From childhood dream to Division I pitcher, and why minor league baseball mirrors entrepreneurship [7:52] – Reinventing his pitch mix as a reliever, and what changing your game means for scaling a business [10:38] – Knowing the big leagues weren't in the cards after topping out at 90 to 92 mph in High-A Fort Wayne [12:33] – Turning a $50K draft signing bonus into a $135K duplex during Covid, now worth about $300K [15:50] – Living on a $12K minor league salary and working for a wholesaler in the off season [17:38] – Hanging up the cleats: identity, mindset, and making peace with leaving baseball [18:29] – The biggest early mistake: trying to scale a full-time real estate business on rentals alone [20:12] – Why rentals without active income don't work, and how wholesaling and flipping fill the gap [22:02] – The year it clicked and the decision to go all in on building an active real estate business [23:46] – Joining Collective Genius for 100% financing, then realizing the community mattered more [26:30] – Bringing construction in-house with help from Phil Jackson and saving thousands per flip [28:20] – Rising days on market and why upgraded finishes can raise your after repair value [31:50] – Direct mail response drops, TV, PPC, and SEO step in, and local brand trust matters more than ever [35:00] – Becoming a girl dad in two weeks, and why leadership is the limit on the business in 2027   5 Key Takeaways Change Your Pitch Mix to Level Up — Jason had to completely rework his pitching to survive in the minors. What gets you to a deal or two a month won't get you to four, so be ready to add new channels and strategies. Rentals Need Active Income — Building a rental portfolio sounds great, but you can't scale marketing or a team without cash coming in. Flipping and wholesaling create the active income that makes long-term wealth possible. Capital Access Is Capacity — The jump from 90% to 100% financing let Jason keep cash in reserve and take on more fix and flip projects at the same time. Better terms can be rocket fuel for growth. Bring Construction In-House — Moving away from general contractors saved Jason thousands per flip and gave him more control over quality. In a market with rising days on market, that control matters. Leaders Study Leadership — As the team grows, the founder's leadership becomes the ceiling on the business. Jason is making leadership his main focus heading into 2027.   Links & Resources Collective Genius: https://explorecg.com Connect with Jason Reynolds on Instagram and Facebook Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki   Enjoyed This Episode? Jason went from a $12K minor league salary to running a growing fix and flip business with in-house construction and a local brand. If you know an investor who's stuck trying to scale on rentals alone, send them this episode. Follow the Collective Genius podcast, then rate and review the show so more real estate investors can find it.

James Heartquist runs Property Leads, a pay per lead company that delivers motivated seller leads from homeowners looking for cash offers, with live transfers and branded seller handoffs built for real estate investors. Recorded on day one of the Collective Genius Q3 event in Dallas, James gives a preview of the live PPL account audit he's running in the marketing track. Leon and James break down how to measure lead quality with sold house data, realistic lead to contract ratios, and why PPL still works when your process is built right. If you're running pay per lead or wondering whether it belongs in your real estate marketing mix, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:22] – Leon opens day one of the CG Q3 event in Dallas with a sneak preview of James's marketing track session [0:59] – James introduces Property Leads, a pay per lead company focused on motivated sellers looking for cash offers [1:23] – How PPL lets newer operators turn leads on and off by area to fit a limited budget and schedule [2:10] – Why 9 to 5 investors, hospital workers, and firefighters use PPL to work leads at night and go full time [2:50] – What sets Property Leads apart, starting with live transfers that remove the race to call sellers first [3:37] – Why seller experience wins, and the feedback that PPL leads took 12 touch points vs 3 for branded leads [3:57] – The branded handoff that puts the investor's name, number, and video on the seller's thank you page [4:58] – Why sellers want to know who's coming to the house, just like hiring a contractor on Angi or Thumbtack [5:45] – Inside the CG marketing track and the live PPL account audit James is running on stage [6:34] – Why lead to deal math is lumpy early on: 20 leads for your first deal, 5 for your second [7:12] – Why sold house data within six months is the real measure of lead quality, and credits when it falls short [9:02] – Is PPL dead? Why the channel still works and your 2020 lead process may be what needs a rebuild [10:20] – The lesson from jaded customers: never sacrifice lead quality and always answer the phone [11:24] – Lead to contract ratios from 1 in 6 to 1 in 50, and why 1 in 25 is a smart starting target [13:31] – Why investors who buy 200+ leads cancel less than 1% of the time [14:38] – Building a marketing mix of direct mail, PPC, PPL, and TV, plus using PPL to test a new county   5 Key Takeaways Judge Leads by Sold House Data — Conversion rate says as much about your sales skills as the leads. Ask how many of your leads actually sold their house within six months. Buy Enough Leads to Beat Luck — Fifty leads can produce ten deals or zero. At 200 leads the averages kick in, which is why those buyers almost never cancel. Set Realistic Lead to Contract Expectations — Budget for something like 1 in 20 or 1 in 25 out of the gate. If you're not hitting it, audit your own team and system before blaming the vendor. Speed and Branding Win the Handoff — Live transfers and a branded thank you page tell sellers exactly who's calling. That cuts touch points and builds trust before you ever show up at the house. PPL Supports, It Doesn't Replace — The strongest operators run PPL alongside direct mail, PPC, and TV. It also makes a low risk way to test a new county before committing big budget.   Links & Resources Property Leads — https://propertyleads.com Apply to Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If you've ever bought 30 leads, closed nothing, and called PPL dead, this one's worth sharing with whoever runs marketing on your team. Follow the Collective Genius podcast and leave a rating and review so more real estate investors can find conversations like this.

Avi Ohana and Moshik of Atlas Residential went from New York day jobs to building a Charlotte, North Carolina real estate business. Along the way, Avi went from going broke twice to running sales and acquisitions, while Moshik, a Special Forces veteran, spent 20 years in development, including a 400,000 square foot Amazon warehouse in Brooklyn. Today their fix and flip operation runs alongside three land development projects totaling about 225 units around Charlotte. Avi and Moshik share how they invested out of state while working full time, survived a money-losing first deal, and turned unused leads into land entitlement and development opportunities. This episode is for any real estate investor who wants to scale through partnerships, team building, and new ways to monetize the leads they already have.   Timeline Summary [1:30] – Leon Barnes welcomes Avi Ohana and Moshik, CG members who live in South Florida but invest in Charlotte, NC [3:44] – How two New York professionals met at an Israeli networking event and teamed up on Charlotte real estate [5:30] – Their first deal, a single family portfolio, lost money but proved the partnership could handle failure [7:35] – Avi on going broke twice, Rich Dad Poor Dad, and buying a $170K Charlotte rental from New York [10:29] – Moshik on why New York doesn't cash flow and the remote team you need to invest out of state [12:04] – Why a trusted, patient realtor gave Avi the confidence to buy his first out-of-state rental [14:46] – Choosing a business partner by shared values, life story, and complementary sales and ops skills [17:29] – Total trust, waterfront walks, and fully committing to decisions even when partners disagree [19:22] – First deal lessons: missed inspections, miscalculations, and writing down exactly what went wrong [21:59] – Landing deals from New York with one VA, a realtor, and a contractor while working full time [24:18] – A bad paid mentorship, a good one, and how a mentor's mention led them to Collective Genius [26:11] – Why asking 3 questions on every call helped Avi climb fast inside a real estate mastermind [29:12] – How in-house seller outreach and a CG presentation sparked their move into land development [32:13] – Lead monetization: making sure no lead is left behind, including land sitting in your pipeline [33:50] – Today's business: three land development projects in Kannapolis, Newton, and Shelby, about 225 units [37:33] – What excites them heading into 2027: the team they built and development deals finally moving   5 Key Takeaways Let Your First Deal Test You — Avi and Moshik lost money on their first portfolio deal, but they didn't blame each other. How partners handle a failure tells you more than any success will. Out-of-State Investing Runs on Trust — You don't need to live in your market. You need a trusted realtor, contractor, inspector, attorney, and accountant on the ground, and everything else can happen over Zoom. Partner for Different Skill Sets — A strong real estate partnership pairs a sales and acquisitions person with an operator. Two people with the same strengths leave the same gaps. Monetize Every Lead You Pay For — The land deals in their seller outreach pipeline became an entire development business. Know what else your leads could become before you toss them. Scale People Before Scaling Deals — Their fix and flip team runs well enough that the founders can focus on land development. You can't scale a real estate business without investing in your team.   Links & Resources Collective Genius: https://explorecg.com Atlas Residential: https://atlasresidentialco.com Connect with Avi Ohana on LinkedIn Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki   Enjoyed This Episode? Avi and Moshik went from a first deal that lost money to roughly 225 units in development in about five years, and they did it from out of state. If you know an investor who's stuck in a market that doesn't cash flow or sitting on leads they don't know what to do with, send them this episode. Follow the Collective Genius podcast, then rate and review the show so more real estate investors can find it.

Levi Gurno is an executive coach, keynote speaker, and workshop facilitator who coaches CEOs and executive teams on leadership and culture, including Collective Genius member Chad Young as he scaled from $2 million to $5 million. Recorded live at the Collective Genius Q3 event in Dallas, this conversation follows a keynote that brought the whole room to its feet. Levi breaks down leadership audits, the three shifts to becoming a coaching leader, and why most real estate investors hit a ceiling when every problem still lands on their desk. If you run a real estate business doing $1 million or more and your team still can't make decisions without you, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:22] – Leon opens live from the CG Q3 event in Dallas, where every meeting starts with a member's scaling story [0:54] – Levi's name came up seven times as Chad Young explained how he scaled from $2M to $5M [2:33] – Levi's mission as an executive coach: helping leaders build winning cultures that transform lives [3:37] – The audit most real estate investors skip: looking at their own leadership in the mirror [4:27] – How team leadership audits expose the gap between a leader's vision and how it gets executed [5:44] – The complaint Levi hears most from teams: "we feel like tools, not people" [6:27] – Why high D entrepreneurs miss slower paced team members, explained through the DISC language [7:25] – "I'm just not a good leader" and why business owners don't get to opt out of leading [9:41] – The first step for anyone who doubts they can lead: gather evidence against the story you tell yourself [10:49] – The SHACK acronym for auditing yourself: skills, habits, attitude, capacity, and knowledge [11:46] – Shift one of becoming a coaching leader: from vague standards to clear expectations with no gray [12:25] – Shift two: from telling to asking, the only approach that truly transfers ownership [13:30] – Shift three: from solving problems to developing problem solvers so you stop being the bottleneck [15:03] – Levi's ideal client: $2M+ operators with teams of 7+ moving from entrepreneurial to purposeful [16:28] – Why most investors stall at $1M and why $2M to $5M is easier than $1M to $2M [17:02] – How to connect with Levi and how to apply for a seat at the Collective Genius table   5 Key Takeaways Audit Your Leadership, Not Just Marketing — Investors audit their marketing and financials constantly but rarely audit themselves. Ask your team for honest feedback and treat it as information, not judgment. Remove the Gray From Expectations — If a standard is open to interpretation, your team will miss it. Define exactly what winning looks like so ownership and accountability have something to stand on. Ask More, Tell Less — Telling works when someone is new to a role, but only asking builds critical thinking. Better questions lead to better outcomes and people who don't need to be told twice. Develop Problem Solvers to Scale — When you solve every problem your team brings you, you become the bottleneck and burn out. Systems and processes matter, but undeveloped people will still cap your growth. Leadership Is Built, Not Born — Nobody comes out of the womb a natural leader. Define what a great leader looks like in your business using SHACK, rate yourself honestly, and work on the gaps.   Links & Resources Levi Gurno's website — https://levigurno.com Follow Levi on Instagram — https://instagram.com/levi_gurno Apply to Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If Levi's point about every problem landing on your desk hit a little too close to home, send this episode to a business partner or leader on your team who needs to hear it. Then follow the Collective Genius podcast and leave a rating and review so more investors can find conversations like this one.

Travis Copeland is a Columbus, Ohio real estate investor who left an eight year career at OhioHealth, where he rose to system manager of customer experience, to go full time in wholesaling and fix and flip. His business now runs about 75% flips and 25% wholesaling across central Ohio and Dayton, and bringing design in-house helped him hit 9 days on market in a tough year. Travis shares how a $9.95 course led to a $75K first deal, why he walked away from a turnkey general contractor as margins tightened, and why he now cares more about net margin than top line revenue. If you're a fix and flip or wholesaling operator watching days on market creep up and wondering whether bigger is really better, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [1:30] – Host opens on CG's go-giver culture and introduces Travis Copeland from Columbus, Ohio [3:18] – How Columbus investors built an abundance mindset, from Covid shutdowns to trips to Egypt and Costa Rica [5:56] – Expanding beyond Columbus into Dayton and Newark for cheaper price points and good school districts [6:49] – The current model: 75% fix and flip, 25% wholesaling, plus long term and short term rentals [7:57] – Tertiary markets have fewer buyers, but some own 500 to 600 rentals and buy in bulk [10:39] – From hospital CEO ambitions and a master's in health administration to eight years at OhioHealth [13:37] – Starting with Austin Rutherford's $9.95 course, VA cold callers, and calling leads after work [16:36] – A first wholesale deal that paid $75K, close to his full hospital salary [16:58] – Why his first acquisitions hire didn't work and what the lean team looks like today [19:04] – Moving off a turnkey GC as margins shrank and every flip started looking the same [20:47] – Hitting 9 days on market last year with in-house design [21:06] – Ditching white subway tile: the small finish upgrades that make a median priced flip stand out [23:57] – Buying in good school districts at median prices as houses see 25 to 30 showings with no offers [26:09] – Joining CG to scale fast and learning why speed leads to bad decisions [28:40] – Chasing net margin over revenue and why $10M with under 10% net isn't the goal [31:14] – Leaning out the team and cutting expenses to be ready if rates come down in 2027   5 Key Takeaways Small Finish Upgrades Sell Flips Faster — Swapping out white subway tile, standard light fixtures, and basic plumbing fixtures costs little but makes a median priced flip stand out. Travis credits those upgrades for hitting 9 days on market in a tough year. Tertiary Markets Have Fewer, Bigger Buyers — Markets like Dayton and Akron don't have Columbus's buyer depth, but a handful of buyers there own 500 to 600 rentals and buy in bulk. Find them and you can move deals consistently. Turnkey Contractors Get Expensive When Margins Shrink — A GC who buys materials and floats construction costs is convenient but pricey. Bringing design in-house helped Travis protect margins as the market shifted. Scaling Fast Leads to Bad Decisions — Chasing volume targets pushes operators to sign deals that aren't really deals. Slowing down and buying based on data is where responsible scaling starts. Net Margin Beats Top Line Revenue — A $3 million business netting $1 million beats a $5 million business keeping less. Travis is cutting expenses and leaning out his team to do fewer, more profitable deals.   Links & Resources Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com Follow Travis on Instagram — https://instagram.com/trav_cope The Real Estate Blueprint course by Austin Rutherford   Enjoyed This Episode? If Travis's point about doing fewer deals that make more money made you rethink your own numbers, share this episode with a flipper or wholesaler who's been chasing volume. Want to be in the room with members like Travis? Head to https://explorecg.com, and don't forget to follow, rate, and review the Collective Genius Podcast.

Chad Young is a seven-time Collective Genius belt winner whose real estate investing business hit $2 million gross in year two and $5 million in year five, growing from CG Select to Premier along the way. His company scaled to 150 transactions a year within three years and now mails 100,000 direct mail pieces a month at a 4.5x to 5x ROI. Recorded live at the Collective Genius Q3 event in Dallas, Chad walks through the three levers that took his business past the $2 million plateau: a direct mail overhaul worth roughly $2.5 million in added revenue, plus a heavy investment in coaching and leadership that pulled him out of the day-to-day. If your business has hit a ceiling and you suspect the bottleneck might be you, this episode is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:22] – Live from the Collective Genius Q3 event in Dallas, Chad Young joins fresh off stage [1:47] – $2M gross in year two, $5M in year five, and why almost everything from 0 to $2M broke on the way up [3:41] – Direct mail was a mediocre channel at 3.5x ROI on 30,000 to 40,000 pieces a month [4:27] – The 90 day split test: 80,000 records mailed head to head against Tim McGarvey's system, now Airmail [5:38] – Scaling to 100,000 pieces a month at a 4.5x to 5x ROI, worth about $2.5 million in revenue [7:01] – Why marketing channels are cyclical and how check mailers lost their edge [8:53] – Mo money, mo problems: growing from 6 staff to 22 by hiring every six weeks for 18 months [10:03] – Coaching as a core investment with required book clubs, paid coaches, and a mission of improving lives [11:48] – Culture is just leadership repeated, and how Chad became the chief problem solver bottleneck [12:58] – A team that brings tested solutions, leaving Chad with just two standing meetings a week [14:47] – Scale math: how addition plus subtraction leads to multiplication [16:58] – Replacing 40% of in-office staff in six months and the pain of letting loyal people go [17:55] – Don't scale businesses, scale people: why scaling starts with the leader [19:50] – Living your culture instead of hanging it on the wall, starting with Chad's definition of "humble" [21:16] – Standards and expectations as a clear line of acceptability to coach people up or out [22:08] – Why an efficient company with weak leadership trains your competitors' next great hires   5 Key Takeaways Split Test Before You Scale Direct Mail — Chad mailed 40,000 records through his existing vendor and 40,000 through a new system over 90 days. The winner held a 4.5x to 5x ROI even at 100,000 pieces a month. Stop Being the Chief Problem Solver — Answering every question is fast in the short term and bad leadership in the long term. Once Chad stopped solving his team's problems, they started bringing him solutions they'd already tested. Addition, Subtraction, Then Multiplication — Fast growth brings on people who got you here but won't get you there. Coach them up or out, and the team that's left is what multiplies the business. Define Your Core Values in Writing — A value like "humble" means nothing until you define it. Chad's company defines it as extreme ownership over mindset, actions, and outcomes, which makes hiring decisions obvious. Weak Leadership Trains Your Competitors' Hires — An operationally efficient company with poor leadership is easy to join and easy to leave. Investing in coaching and leadership is what keeps your best people around.   Links & Resources Collective Genius — https://explorecg.com Airmail (Tim McGarvey's direct mail company) Scaling Up (book referenced by the host)   Enjoyed This Episode? If Chad's point about being the chief problem solver hit a little close to home, send this episode to a business partner or leader on your team who needs to hear it. Ready to get in the room? Head to https://explorecg.com and make sure you follow, rate, and review the Collective Genius Podcast so you never miss an episode.

Elizobeth Lunsford spent nine years at Honeywell working on the International Space Station's habitation node, earned a Six Sigma Green Belt, then went on to management consulting for Fortune 100 companies like Chevron and Shell before co-founding True Homes with her husband Ryan in Colorado. Today she runs a fix and flip, wholesale, and rental operation across Denver Metro, Colorado Springs, and Pueblo, and she's the founder of Rev North, an AI-powered revenue intelligence platform built for real estate investors. Leon and Elizobeth get into why most investors keep throwing money at marketing while 70 to 80 percent of their paid leads sit in the CRM unconverted, and how the four visibility gaps in her own pipeline led her to build a tool that reads every recorded homeowner call and tells you exactly who to close next. If you're spending five, six, or seven figures a month on leads and can't see where the revenue is leaking, this episode is for you. Timeline Summary [1:30] – Leon welcomes CG member Elizobeth Lunsford of True Homes, a fix and flip, wholesale, and rental operator out of Colorado [4:08] – From aerospace to real estate: nine years at Honeywell building the ISS habitation node and earning a Six Sigma Green Belt [5:55] – An MBA, Newmont Mining in Africa, and Fortune 100 consulting for Chevron, Shell, and Huntsman on change management and blind spots [6:22] – Crystal ball exercises: how corporations hire teams to find operational blind spots before they hit quarterly revenue [8:31] – The one problem every investor and every boardroom shares: if you can't measure process variation, you can't get consistent results [11:34] – How True Homes started as a side portfolio, why Ryan left oil and gas 18 months in, and how they split acquisitions and marketing [13:47] – Water availability killed their fix and flip cash cow market, forcing a pivot to wholesaling and buy and hold [15:39] – Biggest scaling struggles: stacking appointments across a two hour drive and knowing which mastermind ideas to ignore [19:42] – "The smallest company with the most processes" and why they chose family owned over speed to growth [23:36] – The four visibility gaps that led to Rev North: 3D call insight, mishandled call revenue threats, skill gaps, and a leaky pipeline [30:10] – Even great closers convert 20 to 30 percent, so 70 to 80 percent of paid leads are sitting in the CRM waiting to be worked [32:12] – Inside the insights engine: 500 selling signals, 18 revenue linked skills, 250 decision branches, plugs into any CRM and phone system [36:47] – Agents who get feedback right after a call improve up to 20 percent on the next one, so Rev North serves up two coaching priorities per call [41:06] – After analyzing thousands of calls, the money is lost on the call close, and built-in redundancy catches leads the CRM misses [42:46] – Rev North offer for CG members: $1,500 onboarding fee waived plus 20 percent off the first three months [44:39] – Why the timing is right as the industry standardizes on one or two CRMs, and where to find Elizobeth and Rev North 5 Key Takeaways You Can't Close What You Can't See — Closers keep asking "who do I call next" because the CRM only shows what an agent typed in, not what actually happened on the phone. Real pipeline visibility comes from the conversation itself, not the stage column. Buy Fewer Leads, Convert More of Them — Top closers land 20 to 30 percent of their appointments, which means 70 to 80 percent of your paid leads are still sitting in the CRM. Improving conversion on what you already own beats adding another marketing channel. Immediate Feedback Beats Weekly Sales Pods — Research shows agents who get feedback right after a call can improve up to 20 percent on the very next one. Two specific coaching priorities per call move the needle; generic scorecards get ignored. The Deal Dies on the Call Close — After analyzing thousands of homeowner conversations, the biggest revenue leak is a call that ends with a vague "I'll follow up" instead of a verbally agreed next step. Momentum lost on the close rarely comes back. Reduce Variation Before You Chase Growth — True Homes is a small family operation with more documented processes than most companies twice its size. Lower process variation gives you predictable results, and predictable results are what let you scale on purpose. Links & Resources Rev North (CG member offer, demo, and pipeline diagnosis) — https://revnorth.io/cg Collective Genius Community — https://explorecg.com Elizobeth's background in Six Sigma and corporate blind spot analysis is exactly what most real estate operations are missing: someone who refuses to accept that "leads don't close" is just the cost of doing business. Her point that you can't close what you can't see should sting a little if you have hundreds of paid leads sitting unworked in your CRM right now. Share this one with an operator who keeps upping their marketing spend instead of fixing conversion, and then head to https://explorecg.com to learn more and apply.

Matt Miller is co-founder of Fair Trade Real Estate, a California-only wholesale brokerage launched in July 2020 that now runs five offices and roughly 60 team members alongside his partner Deke Blake. A former Army paratrooper who enlisted at 17 and served nearly five years including deployments to South Korea and Iraq, Matt brings 14 years of real estate experience to one of the most competitive markets in the country. Recorded live at the Collective Genius Q2 event in Oceanside, this episode covers how Fair Trade survived a partnership split and months of six figure losses while refusing to abandon the dispositions technology they were building. If you're a wholesaler in a competitive market wondering whether to keep investing through a downturn, or a leader trying to get more out of a mastermind, this one is for you.   Timeline Summary [0:00] – Leon opens live from Oceanside at the CG Q2 event with 200 plus Premier and 40 to 45 CEO members in the room [0:40] – Fair Trade Real Estate: exclusively wholesale, exclusively California, 5 offices, 60 team members since July 2020 [1:03] – Matt's path from enlisting in the Army at 17 to deployments in South Korea and Iraq [1:45] – Why former athletes and military veterans consistently scale the biggest real estate businesses [2:41] – How military leadership, good and bad, shaped Matt's approach to running a company [3:51] – The difference makers presentation: from peak performance to falling off a cliff after a partnership split [4:17] – Why the hardest part wasn't telling the story but telling it respectfully [5:56] – Committing to the tech build while hemorrhaging $100K plus per month, funded entirely by retained earnings [7:08] – Why off the shelf software couldn't give their agents an edge and why building was the only option [7:37] – Keeping the doors open: cutting staff, subleasing offices, killing software that didn't work [8:55] – The broken dispositions problem and why they rebuilt it as an investor marketplace [10:01] – Training agents to think like sales professionals with pipeline management and buy windows [10:51] – Southern California is a top five most competitive market, and why "I can't compete" is the wrong response [12:14] – The goal: become the largest home buyer in California within five years, with talent as the only constraint [12:56] – Why Fair Trade won't expand to new states unless it's a culture fit [14:01] – Top three takeaways from 18 months in CG: real networking, a mini leadership offsite, and industry intel [17:33] – Why the best operators stay an extra day after events to turn notes into a strategic plan [19:06] – Borrowing one CG networking exercise per event to make internal team trainings more impactful   5 Key Takeaways Invest Through the Downturn — Fair Trade kept building its dispositions platform even while losing six figures a month. Technology gives you an edge for a short window, and waiting until things are comfortable means someone else builds it first. Cut Everything Except the Priority — Staying committed to the tech build meant cutting staff they liked, subleasing office space, and killing underperforming software. You can't fund a vision on business as usual when revenue is down. Agents Are the Number One Customer — Sellers are a single transaction and investors need to repeat, but agents have to win for the business to grow. Every tool Fair Trade built was designed to give their agents the best chance to close. Competitive Markets Reward Differentiation — Every market is tough, so "I can't compete" is not a strategy. Fair Trade picked dispositions as its differentiator and built a marketplace nobody else in Southern California had. Stay the Extra Day — The best operators in mastermind rooms don't fly home right after the last session. They spend a few hours decompressing the notes and picking the one domino that will move the business.   Links & Resources Collective Genius, application only, 500 plus members meeting four times a year — https://explorecg.com Deke Blake's episode on the Collective Genius Podcast (released a few weeks prior)   Enjoyed This Episode? If Matt's story of building through $100K monthly losses reminded you that the tough season you're in is survivable, share this with a partner or operator who needs to hear it today. Then follow the Collective Genius Podcast, leave a rating and review, and head to explorecg.com to find out which room you qualify for.

Tim Vitale is a Wilmington, North Carolina based multifamily investor who owns 28 properties and roughly 1,100 units across the Southeast, 25 of which are LIHTC affordable housing. A former Wall Street accounting and finance professional who hit assistant vice president at 28, Tim walked away from the corporate ladder and will mark five years as a full time real estate investor this September. In this episode, Tim breaks down why he built his entire business around a niche most operators avoid, including 0% interest 40 year debt, property tax abatements up to 90%, and why he now underwrites strictly on day one in-place cash flow. If you're a single family investor eyeing commercial, a multifamily operator trying to buy in today's market, or a W-2 employee wondering how to make the jump, this conversation is for you.   Timeline Summary [1:30] – Leon opens the show and introduces CG Legacy, the commercial room formed through the merger with Tim Bratz's group [3:14] – Tim explains LIHTC affordable housing and why he's the only person in the room focused on it [3:54] – 28 properties, 25 of them LIHTC, and why a tight buy box makes it easy to say no to deals [5:38] – Why nobody wants affordable housing: paperwork, red tape, housing authorities, and difficult residents [6:21] – The upside: 90% property tax abatements, 0% interest loans with no payments for 40 years, and one asset free and clear [7:37] – The bad stuff: inheriting prior owners' compliance mistakes and why Tim built an in-house compliance department [8:59] – Inflation's hit on affordable housing, with rent collection slipping from 80 to 85% in 12 days to 80% in 15 to 20 days [11:10] – Why LIHTC deals rarely hit the market and why Tim and Tim get the first broker call in the Carolinas [12:07] – Selling two Alabama assets and consolidating into the Carolinas for centralized operations and shared resources [13:13] – Why AMI growth in Charlotte and Raleigh makes major metros outperform tertiary markets [15:26] – Refining underwriting after insurance costs jumped 2,400% and putting the weight on day one in-place cash flow [19:25] – The Wall Street AVP promotion, a 3% raise, and the dinner that made Tim ask when the life changing money starts [21:26] – Doing the books for his grandmother's Connecticut portfolio and realizing how much passive income real estate created [22:10] – First condo bought in November 2019, a flat appraisal, and the loan officer comment that pushed Tim into commercial [24:36] – Selling the house, downsizing to an apartment, and giving himself two years and $150K to make it work, his wife's idea [28:44] – Why it's better to do no deal than a mediocre one, and the confidence that comes from not needing the next deal [30:05] – Tim's forecast: construction starts down 80%, no new supply until 2030, and why 2029 into 2030 is when things heat up [32:49] – Values down 20 to 30% in 24 months and why the next 6 to 24 months could be the buying window of the decade   5 Key Takeaways The Riches Are in the Niches — Tim built a 1,100 unit portfolio by focusing on LIHTC affordable housing, a niche most investors avoid because it's hard. Being the specialist means brokers call you first when the rare deal surfaces. Affordable Housing Comes With Real Trade-Offs — Tax abatements, 0% interest debt, and higher cap rates are the reward. Compliance audits, higher delinquency, heavier CapEx, and difficult residents are the price, so build the team around the problem. Underwrite on Day One Cash Flow — After a 2,400% insurance spike, Tim stopped paying for someone else's future upside. In-place cash flow is the baseline now, and rent growth is gravy on top. No Deal Beats a Mediocre Deal — Marginal deals drain your team and your investors. Tim would rather sit out than put his people through another property that doesn't perform. Going Full Time Requires a Runway, Not Just Guts — Tim bought one rental in three years, got up at 5 a.m. to study, and sold his house for $150K of runway before quitting. Active income or savings has to bridge the gap while commercial deals take shape.   Links & Resources Collective Genius and the CG Legacy commercial room — https://explorecg.com   Enjoyed This Episode? If Tim's story of trading a 3% raise for 1,100 units got you thinking, you know someone stuck on the same corporate ladder he climbed off of. Send them this episode. And if you want more conversations like this every week, follow the Collective Genius Podcast and leave us a rating and review.