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In this episode of Endurance State of Mind, Anthony and Zach sit down with world-renowned aging researcher Dr. Matt Kaeberlein to separate longevity science from the hype surrounding peptides, anti-aging treatments, biological age tests, and performance optimization. With more than 350 scientific publications and decades of experience studying the biology of aging, Dr. Kaeberlein brings a science-first perspective to an industry filled with bold promises and unanswered questions. From BPC-157 and TB-500 to GLP-1 medications, wearable technology, and the future of anti-aging research, this conversation explores what we know, what remains uncertain, and where people should be more skeptical. We break down why being told that a treatment is natural doesn't automatically make it safe, why consumer biological age tests may not tell you what you think they do, and how to interpret the data coming from devices like WHOOP, Oura, Garmin, and continuous glucose monitors. For endurance athletes, we also explore the relationship between performance and longevity, including injury prevention, recovery, nutrition, hormones, bone density, and the challenge of staying competitive as you get older. Dr. Kaeberlein shares his perspective on supplements, including creatine, vitamin D, omega-3s, NAD precursors, and emerging longevity compounds. We also dive into the Dog Aging Project, an ambitious research initiative investigating whether rapamycin can extend the healthy lifespan of our canine companions and what studying aging in dogs could teach us about human longevity. Whether you're a runner, ultrarunner, cyclist, biohacker, or simply someone who wants to stay healthy for as long as possible, this episode challenges you to think critically about the products, metrics, and protocols promising to slow the aging process. The biggest takeaway? Be skeptical. Because when it comes to longevity, understanding what we don't know can be just as important as understanding what we do. In this episode, we cover: The biggest misconceptions about longevity and anti-aging sciencePeptides explained: BPC-157, TB-500, and the difference between FDA-approved drugs and experimental compoundsCompounded peptides, product quality, contamination risks, and safety concernsWhy biological age tests can be misleadingWHOOP, Oura, Garmin, HRV, sleep scores, and continuous glucose monitors: which metrics deserve your attention?The difference between measurement accuracy and precisionThe relationship between endurance performance, lifespan, and healthspanHow injury prevention, recovery, nutrition, and bone density affect athletes as they ageSupplements and longevity: creatine, vitamin D, omega-3s, NAD precursors, and moreWhat the Dog Aging Project could reveal about aging in humansRapamycin and the ongoing search for interventions that improve healthy lifespanWhy you should be skeptical of anyone promising a guaranteed path to longevityEndurance State of Mind is about living the things other people only talk about. We're not interested in chasing every new trend just because it's popular. We're here to ask better questions, challenge assumptions, and learn from the people doing the work. Some people talk about it. We're dumb enough to live it. Subscribe to Endurance State of Mind for more conversations about running, ultrarunning, endurance training, sports science, recovery, and the mindset required to keep pushing your limits. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Welcome back to Endurance State of Mind! Episode 81 is packed with one of the wildest weekends in endurance sports, and Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt are breaking down everything from the cancellation of the Moab 240 to the Chicago Marathon, the Ironman World Championship in Kona, running shoe technology, and the ongoing conversation around honesty and integrity in the endurance community. We have a lot to cover this week, and we're getting right into it. The Berlin Marathon Cheating Controversy & Influencer Accountability We kick things off with a conversation about a Chinese influencer who allegedly took a shortcut during the Berlin Marathon, including catching a ride on a bicycle before rejoining the course and presenting the result as a personal record. We discuss the consequences of misrepresenting a race result, the importance of honesty in running, and what happens when protecting your online image becomes more important than being truthful with your audience. That leads into a broader discussion about influencers, sponsorships, peptides, and transparency in endurance sports. Where should the line be drawn between sharing personal experiences and promoting products or practices without enough context? We also revisit the feedback from episode 77 and discuss the importance of hearing different perspectives, having honest conversations, and bringing knowledgeable guests onto the show to explore the science behind these topics. We also talk about goal setting and why putting yourself in a position to fail isn't necessarily a bad thing. If every goal you set is guaranteed to happen, are you really pushing yourself? Moab 240: A Brutal Ending to an Incredible Race One of the biggest stories of the weekend was the cancellation of the Moab 240 due to dangerous weather conditions. We talk about the difficult decision to stop the race, the conditions runners faced on the course, and why safety has to come first, even when athletes have spent months training and thousands of dollars preparing for an event. A major part of the conversation centers on Amy and her attempt at the Triple Crown of 200s. She was deep into the race, making up ground, and putting herself in a position to potentially accomplish something incredible before the event was called off. We discuss how frustrating it must have been to come so close, the financial and physical investment involved, and what this experience could mean for her future in ultrarunning. We also give some attention to other impressive performances from the weekend, including Bethany's incredible 100-mile result of 14:41. Her progression has been remarkable, and we talk about how performances like hers deserve more attention from the endurance community. Chicago Marathon Recap: American Standouts and Adidas vs. Nike The Chicago Marathon gave us plenty to discuss, from the American field to the battle between the world's biggest running shoe brands. We talk about Vinny Maury, the relatively under-the-radar marathoner who has been turning heads with his performances and putting himself in the conversation with some of America's best. We discuss his race in Chicago, his impressive running ability, and the intrigue surrounding an athlete who reportedly does much of his training on a treadmill. We also break down the men's race and the showdown between Jacob Kiplimo and Amos Kipruto. With Nike hosting the event and Kiplimo entering as the defending champion, Kipruto's late-race move gave us another opportunity to discuss the growing success of Adidas at major marathons. Is Adidas entering a new era of dominance in elite running? How much does shoe weight matter when you're racing at the highest level? And can Nike's latest technology close the gap? We get into the differences between elite racing shoes, the importance of ounces over 26.2 miles, and Nike's newest footwear releases. We also discuss carbon-plated shoes, whether plated trainers belong in everyday training, and what runners should consider when choosing shoes for workouts, long runs, and races. The conversation isn't just about elite athletes, either. We talk about what this technology means for everyday runners and why finding the right shoe for your training matters more than simply buying whatever the pros are wearing. Marathon Training, Recovery, and Carbon-Plated Shoes After Anthony's Berlin Marathon debut, we talk about recovery, lingering calf soreness, and the physical demands of pushing your body over 26.2 miles. We discuss how difficult it can be to separate the effects of footwear from the normal soreness that comes with racing hard over a new distance. We also explore the difference between training shoes and race-day shoes, how new technology continues to change the sport, and why runners should think carefully about how they use their footwear throughout a training cycle. Ironman World Championship in Kona: Heat, Fueling, and Racing to the Limit We finish our weekend recap with the Ironman World Championship in Kona, where the world's best triathletes faced another demanding day of racing. We discuss the men's results, including Vincent Luis, Gustav Iden, Sam Long, and the American athletes who put together strong performances. We talk about the importance of the swim, how athletes can make up time on the bike, and what it takes to stay competitive across the full Ironman distance. One of the most dramatic stories came from the women's race, where a leading athlete appeared to reach her physical limit just a short distance from the finish. After fighting to keep moving, she ultimately finished eighth. We discuss the incredible mental toughness required to keep going when your body is telling you to stop, along with the risks athletes take when they're pushing for a world championship result. The conversation also touches on Kona's heat, race-day fueling, athlete preparation, and the high number of competitors who struggled to finish. How much does heat acclimation matter? What happens when fueling falls apart late in a race? And how do elite athletes balance taking risks with making it to the finish line? A Little Bike News to Close It Out We wrap up with some news of our own: Zach has officially acquired a bike. Naturally, Anthony is already looking forward to seeing him out on the Tuesday night group ride. We'll see how long it takes before Zach gets out there and starts putting in some miles. From ultramarathon heartbreak and marathon shoe wars to Ironman drama and the realities of endurance training, this episode is a reminder of just how much can happen in a single weekend. In this episode, we cover: Berlin Marathon cheating controversy and running integrityInfluencer accountability, sponsorships, peptides, and transparencySetting ambitious goals and learning to embrace failureMoab 240 cancellation and dangerous weather conditionsAmy's Triple Crown attempt and the disappointment of a race cut shortBethany's incredible 14:41 100-mile performanceChicago Marathon results and rising American marathon talentAdidas vs. Nike and the latest elite racing shoe technologyCarbon-plated shoes versus everyday running trainersMarathon recovery and Anthony's experience after BerlinIronman World Championship in KonaHeat, fueling, pacing, and the physical limits of endurance racingZach's new bike and what's coming nextIf you enjoy conversations about running, ultrarunning, triathlon, cycling, marathon training, endurance sports, and the people who push themselves to do things most of us would never attempt, make sure to like, subscribe, and share the show. Let us know what you think about the Moab 240 cancellation, the Chicago Marathon shoe debate, and the performances in Kona. Thanks for listening to Endurance State of Mind. Some people talk about endurance. We're dumb enough to live it. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

This is the best of the Endurance State of Mind podcast so far. Since we started this show, we've sat down with ultramarathoners, marathoners, cyclists, triathletes, coaches, race directors and everyday runners from Mississippi, the Gulf Coast and beyond. Every guest gave us something, but some moments stuck with us long after we stopped recording. Some made us laugh, some made us cry and some changed how we think about running and about life. This episode brings them together. Hosts Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt revisit the stories that shaped the show: rock bottoms and recoveries, 100-mile comebacks, finish lines worth more than any medal, and the people who carried us there. If you're new to the podcast, this is the best place to start. If you've been with us from episode one, thank you. This one's for you. IN THIS EPISODE Zach's Rock Bottom and the Road Back  Zach shares the night everything changed: a work trip to Vancouver, Canada, in August 2019. He tried to quit drinking cold turkey before the flight, went through withdrawal on the plane and ended up in a hospital waiting room in a foreign country, convinced he was dying. He hasn't had a drink since August 10, 2019. He talks about the "desert" that came after, how a documentary about the Iron Cowboy inspired him to run 10 miles a day for 50 days, and the streak that has never stopped. He also tells the story of going back a year later for his one-year coin. If you or someone you love is struggling with addiction, this is a story of hope. Aimee Warnke: Cancer, Courage and Keep Running  Aimee Warnke tells about running through a cancer diagnosis and what she learned about herself along the way. She shares a conversation that became her mantra, "If you were my sister, keep running," and how that mindset carried her through ultramarathons, trail races and the toughest days of her life. Her story is about resilience, perspective and showing up when nothing is guaranteed. Anthony's Coke Icy Tradition  Anthony opens up about his mom, who lived with Huntington's disease for years and passed away at 56. He talks about watching her lose her independence, his dad's years as her caretaker and the hard decisions that came at the end. Then he shares the tradition that keeps her memory alive: every year on her birthday, in the middle of December, he and Michaela order her favorite drink, a Coke Icy, and an ice cream Snickers. It's the coldest thing you could get that time of year, and they enjoy it in her honor. Jake Russell Chases Down the Win at Pinhoti 100  Jake Russell takes us inside one of the most dramatic finishes we've ever heard on the show. He forgot his soft flasks, wrote himself a note asking "Why are you doing this?" and kept pushing late in a 100-mile race, then ran down the leader to win the Pinhoti 100. Then he tells us where he was the next morning: in church. It's a masterclass in mental toughness, patience and racing when it counts. David Slowik: "You Ain't Done Nothing Yet"  David Slowik ran his first 100-miler at Pinhoti with his closest friends crewing him and a playlist made by a friend who had just died of brain cancer. At mile 95, with blisters on both feet, he told his wife Shelby he'd have to walk it in. She looked him in the eye, said "You ain't done nothing yet" and ran off into the woods at 2 a.m. He chased her all the way to the finish. It's a love story, a running story and a reminder of how much our crews carry us. Chris Lott: 10 Years Sober  Chris Lott reflects on a decade of sobriety and what running has meant in his recovery. It's an honest look at the hard road back and the daily choices that keep you moving forward. Zach's Tunnel Hill 100: "Good."  Mile 85. Cold rain. More than 192,000 steps on his legs. Zach takes us through the lowest point of his Tunnel Hill 100 and the one-word answer that got him through: "Good." He also reflects on why we chase goals that might be out of reach and what we learn when we come up short. Big Butts 2025: "Don't Let Them Pull Me"  Not every great moment is serious. Zach and Anthony relive Big Butts in the July Mississippi heat, from Zach dry-heaving on the course and begging not to be pulled to Anthony sprinting to avoid getting lapped. It's a reminder that suffering is better with friends and that sometimes all you can do is laugh. Josh Moore: Don't Think About 26.2, Think About 24.7  Mississippi runner Josh Moore breaks down the Rocket City Marathon course in Huntsville, Alabama, and shares one of the best mental tricks we've heard for the back half of a marathon. The climbing is done by mile 22, so stop thinking about the finish line and get yourself to mile 24.7, where the crowds come back. From there, the last mile and a half around the Von Braun Center is your victory lap. If you're running Rocket City this December, or any marathon, don't miss this one. WHY WE MADE THIS EPISODE When we started Endurance State of Mind, we wanted to tell the stories of endurance athletes from Mississippi and the Gulf South, people who wake up early, put in the miles and push through things most people never see. We didn't expect how much those stories would change us. Some of the people in this episode have finished the hardest races in the country. Others are still chasing their first finish line. All of them have a story about grit, perseverance and why they keep going. WHO THIS EPISODE IS FOR Runners training for their first 5K, half marathon, marathon or ultramarathonTrail runners and ultrarunners chasing 50K, 50-mile, 100K and 100-mile finishesAnyone in recovery or supporting someone who isCaregivers and families affected by Huntington's disease, cancer or chronic illnessAthletes who need a reason to get out the door tomorrow morningAnyone who loves a good comeback storyABOUT THE SHOW Endurance State of Mind is a running and endurance sports podcast hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt. Each week we interview runners, cyclists, triathletes, coaches and race directors about training, racing, nutrition, mindset and the stories behind the miles. We focus on the Mississippi running community and the Gulf Coast, from Hattiesburg to Ocean Springs, while bringing in voices from across the endurance world. Our motto is simple: we go further together. SUPPORT THE SHOW If this episode meant something to you, the best way to support us is to share it with someone who needs to hear it. Follow and leave a rating on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It helps other runners find the show. Join our Endurance State of Mind group on Strava to connect with listeners, guests and the hosts. If you see us at a race, come say hey. We want to meet you and hear your story. Have a guest suggestion or a story to share? Reach out to us at [email protected]. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Anthony does Berlin. After years of running, triathlons, ultras, and basically finding new ways to make endurance sports harder than they need to be, Anthony finally ran his first marathon. And he did it at the Berlin Marathon. In this episode, Zach sits down with Anthony just 48 hours after the race to hear exactly what happened from the days leading up to Berlin all the way through the finish line. And honestly, the week leading into the race was not exactly ideal. Anthony tweaked his back deadlifting just days before leaving for Germany. He hadn't run more than 15 miles since Big Butts in July. Berlin was never supposed to be the big marathon attempt. The original plan was to enjoy the experience, get the marathon under his belt, and save the serious marathon effort for Rocket City later in the year. Then Anthony decided he was going to race. What followed was a 3:43 first marathon. Zach and Anthony break down the entire race, including the Berlin Marathon atmosphere, the starting corral, race-day nerves, pre-race nutrition, carb loading, pacing, heart rate, GU gels, hydration, and how Anthony approached the first half of the race without burning himself out. They talk about what happened when the race started getting difficult around miles 14–16, why Anthony thought he might actually crush the race around mile 18, and how things changed during the final 10K when his legs and calves started to hurt. One of the biggest surprises wasn't even the 3:43 finish. It was how consistent the race was. Anthony went into his first marathon without a traditional marathon training block and still managed to hold a remarkably steady pace deep into the race. Years of running ultras and longer endurance events had given him a different perspective on what 26.2 miles actually meant. After running a 50-miler earlier in the year, a marathon didn't seem quite as intimidating anymore. The question was how fast he could run it. And then there's the bigger story behind Berlin. In 2020, Anthony weighed 316 pounds. Six years later, he was standing on the starting line of the Berlin Marathon at 215 pounds, getting ready to run his first marathon. That makes crossing the finish line about a whole lot more than a 3:43. Anthony talks about the moment he saw MaKayla at the finish, the emotion that came with completing his first marathon, and why the race ended up meaning so much more than he expected when he signed up. Zach and Anthony also talk about Berlin itself, the history of the city, the Berlin Wall, and what made running a marathon through one of the world's most historic cities such a memorable experience. And, of course, they talk about what's next. After running 3:43 with limited marathon-specific training, what could Anthony do with 10 straight weeks of focused marathon training? That's a question for another race. For now, this is the full story of Anthony's first marathon. Anthony Does Berlin. Endurance State of Mind is a Mississippi-based endurance podcast hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt. Two guys who run, race, train, travel, make mistakes, learn a few things, and keep signing up for things that seemed like a good idea at the time. If you like running, marathons, ultramarathons, triathlon, cycling, endurance training, race recaps, and the real stories behind the miles, you're in the right place. Some people talk about endurance. We're dumb enough to live it. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

What happens when you go from running just 4 miles in a month to becoming a 3:28 marathoner in just a couple of years? On Episode 78 of Endurance State of Mind, Anthony and Zach sit down with Peter Rupert to talk about his rapid rise in the running world, the lessons he learned the hard way, and what it takes to chase bigger marathon goals. Peter’s running journey started in 2023 after a little friendly peer pressure from his friend Brian Murphy. At the time, Peter barely considered himself a runner. He went from just 4 miles in January to 40 miles in February and 80 miles in March, quickly learning that enthusiasm can sometimes outpace what your body is ready for. Injuries, shin splints, ankle problems, questionable training decisions, and a serious lack of running knowledge became part of his early journey. Since then, Peter has completed multiple marathons, a 50K and a 50 mile race, while continuing to focus heavily on the marathon. He recently ran a 3:28 marathon at Rocket City and is now building toward another major marathon effort at the Jacksonville Marathon in December. In this episode, Peter breaks down how he went from a brand new runner to a serious marathoner, including the mistakes he made early on, how he learned to approach mileage, the importance of consistency, and how having a running partner and community helped keep him moving forward. The conversation also dives deep into one of Peter’s favorite topics: running nutrition. Peter explains how he started making his own homemade running fuel using ingredients like maple syrup, bananas and salt before eventually developing a more refined homemade fueling strategy. He talks about carbohydrates, electrolytes, sodium, gut training, fueling during long runs and races, and how making your own fuel can significantly reduce the cost of endurance training. And then there are the shoes. Peter is a self described shoe guy who has spent countless hours researching running shoes, testing different models and hunting for deals. The guys get into carbon plated shoes, super shoes, stack height, heel to toe drop, rocker geometry, cushioning, toe off mechanics and how different shoes can affect the way you run. Peter also shares some of his favorite places to find running shoes at a discount, including resale sites, outlet stores and brand specific resale programs. Peter also talks about balancing marathon training with being a husband and father, his work at William Carey University, helping bring the Carey Run Club back to campus, and why building a running community is just as important as chasing a finish time. With a new marathon build underway, Peter is currently running around 40 to 45 miles per week, running six days a week and incorporating three strength training sessions into his schedule. His goal for Jacksonville is simple: give himself the best possible chance to run a major personal best. This episode is packed with practical lessons for new runners, marathoners, endurance athletes and anyone who has ever fallen down the rabbit hole of running shoes, nutrition and training. Topics covered in this episode include: • Peter Rupert’s journey from barely running to becoming a 3:28 marathoner • Going from 4 miles to 40 and then 80 miles per month • The Hattiesburg Half Marathon and his first 1:57 half marathon • Training for his first marathon • Learning from running injuries and training mistakes • Marathon training and weekly mileage • Homemade running gels and endurance fuel • Carbohydrates, electrolytes and sodium • Fueling for long runs and marathon racing • Why Peter prefers making his own running fuel • Running shoe deals and finding discounted shoes • Carbon plated running shoes • Super shoes and marathon racing shoes • Stack height and heel to toe drop • Rocker geometry and toe off • How running shoes can affect your body • Peter’s marathon PR of 3:28 at Rocket City • Strength training for runners • Balancing running with family life • Restarting the William Carey Run Club • Building a stronger running community • Preparing for the Jacksonville Marathon • Chasing a new marathon PR If you are a marathon runner, beginner runner, road runner, endurance athlete or simply someone who loves talking about running shoes, training and fueling, there is a lot to take away from this episode. Endurance State of Mind is a Mississippi based endurance podcast hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt. We talk about running, marathons, ultramarathons, cycling, triathlon, training, nutrition, endurance sports and the real life experiences that come with chasing big goals. Some people talk about endurance. We’re dumb enough to live it. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

What if getting older doesn't have to mean getting slower? On this episode of Endurance State of Mind, Zach sits down with Tony Medrano, CEO and co-founder of LongevityPlan.ai, to take a deep dive into longevity, recovery, performance, peptides, hormones, biomarkers, wearable data, and what it really means to stay healthy and competitive as an endurance athlete gets older. Tony brings a unique perspective to the conversation. A former U.S. Navy officer, technology entrepreneur, AI and molecular diagnostics executive, and three-time Ironman finisher, Tony has spent years combining endurance training with data-driven health and performance optimization. He's currently training for his fourth Ironman in Cozumel.  The conversation covers some of the most controversial and interesting topics in endurance sports and longevity, including peptide therapy, BPC-157, TB-500, GLP-1s, testosterone replacement therapy, biological age, metabolic age, VO2 max, muscle growth, inflammation, recovery, and the potential role of artificial intelligence in personalized health optimization. Tony explains why he believes endurance athletes shouldn't focus solely on maximizing VO2 max and why strength training and maintaining muscle become increasingly important as we age. He also discusses his own experience using peptides and GLP-1s, including his dramatic weight loss, changes in recovery, and his approach to using different compounds for different goals.  We also get into the controversy surrounding peptides in competitive sports, including WADA's banned-substance list, BPC-157, testosterone, and the difference between optimizing your health and trying to gain an unfair competitive advantage. Tony makes his position clear: the rules of competition matter, but he views longevity and health optimization differently from competing for a podium.  Later, Tony explains LongevityPlan.ai's Digital Twin, a platform designed to combine wearable data, blood work, DEXA scans, genetic testing, VO2 max and other information into an AI-driven model designed to help athletes better understand their health and performance.  If you're a runner, cyclist, triathlete, ultrarunner, or simply someone who wants to keep performing at a high level for decades, this is a conversation worth listening to. In this episode:  Longevity and endurance sports  How aging affects recovery  Peptides and athletic performance  BPC-157 and TB-500  GLP-1s and weight loss  Testosterone and TRT  Biological age vs. chronological age  Metabolic age and body composition  VO2 max and endurance performance  Strength training for longevity  Muscle mass and aging  Inflammation and recovery  Wearables and data overload  AI and personalized health optimization  Digital Twins for athletes  Peptides and WADA regulations  Tony's journey from the Navy to Silicon Valley to Ironman  Training for Ironman Cozumel at 55  How endurance athletes can stay healthy and competitive as they age Learn more about Tony and LongevityPlan.ai: LongevityPlan.ai Connect with Tony Medrano: LinkedIn: Tony Medrano Instagram: @tmedranosd X: @TMedrano2 Facebook: Tony Medrano YouTube: @LongevityPlanAI LongevityPlan.ai: YouTube: @LongevityPlanAI · @LongevityPlanAI-Videos Instagram: @longevityplanai X: @longevityplanai TikTok: @longevityplan.ai Substack: @longevityplanai Reddit: u/LongevityPlan_AI Bluesky: longevityplan-ai.bsky.social Quora: LongevityPlanAI For booking & media inquiries: [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Anthony and Zach are back for Episode 76 of Endurance State of Mind, and this week the guys sit down for a wide-ranging conversation about marathon training, altitude, ultramarathons, cycling, racing strategy, and the Mississippi endurance community. Anthony is currently in Breckenridge, Colorado, spending time at roughly 9,000 to 10,000 feet of elevation just weeks before the Berlin Marathon. The guys talk about what it actually feels like to train at altitude, including headaches, poor sleep, elevated heart rate, increased effort, and the challenges of trying to maintain normal training while your body is adjusting to less oxygen. They also discuss altitude acclimatization, the idea of “train high, recover low,” and whether hiking and running at elevation can provide useful aerobic benefits for marathon training. With the Berlin Marathon only about 20 days away, Anthony breaks down where he is in his marathon preparation, how he is feeling heading into one of the biggest races on his calendar, and what he is thinking about when it comes to pacing and fueling. The conversation gets into one of the biggest challenges of marathon racing: getting through the first 20 miles with enough energy left to actually race the final 10K. Anthony and Zach discuss the importance of patience early in a marathon, fueling properly, managing effort, and potentially using Berlin as a stepping stone toward the Rocket City Marathon later in the year. The guys also take a detour into professional cycling and the Vuelta a España, talking about Tadej Pogačar’s crash, injuries, racing at the highest level, and the role that luck can play in professional cycling. They discuss how a serious crash can affect a rider mentally even after the physical injuries have healed. Tom Pidcock’s incredible bike-handling skills and aggressive downhill racing also become part of the conversation as Anthony and Zach talk about just how much confidence and technical ability it takes to descend at the highest level of the sport. Back on the running side, Zach talks about his recent 5K race and how strategy and race execution helped him come away with a strong result. Instead of simply focusing on fitness, Zach explains how he approached the race mentally, battled with a younger runner, and used experience and positioning to his advantage. The conversation turns into a larger discussion about racing smart, learning how to compete, and the growing group of young runners coming through the Mississippi running community. One of the biggest topics of the episode is the upcoming inaugural Last Wolf Howling backyard ultra at Petal River Park on November 21, 2026. Anthony and Zach dive deep into what it takes to compete in a backyard ultra, including the traditional 4.167-mile loop, the 36-hour time limit, pacing, nutrition, caffeine, sleep deprivation, and the mental challenge of repeating the same loop hour after hour. The guys discuss the strategy behind running a backyard ultra, including why athletes may want to avoid running too fast early in the race and how the difference between a 45-minute lap and a 55-minute lap can dramatically impact how much recovery and sleep a runner gets. They talk about nighttime strategy, managing fatigue, eating and drinking enough to keep going, and the psychological battle that develops when the race becomes less about raw speed and more about consistency, patience, and the ability to keep showing up every hour. Anthony and Zach also compare backyard ultra performances and discuss athletes such as Mark Dowdle and Phil Gore, looking at the different strategies used by runners attempting incredibly long endurance efforts. The conversation explores why slowing down can sometimes be the key to going farther and how backyard ultras create a completely different type of endurance challenge than a traditional marathon or ultramarathon. The episode also highlights the Mississippi running and endurance community, the importance of local races, and the growth of the sport throughout the state. Anthony and Zach talk about the people who continue to push the local running scene forward and their plans to feature more runners, athletes, and members of the endurance community on future episodes of Endurance State of Mind. They also talk about future podcast guests, including larger names in the endurance world as well as local Mississippi runners and athletes. The guys discuss the challenge of balancing recognizable guests with the stories of everyday runners who are helping grow the sport in their own communities. Whether you are training for a marathon, preparing for an ultramarathon, interested in backyard ultras, getting ready for your next 5K, following professional cycling, or simply enjoy hearing honest conversations about endurance sports, Episode 76 has something for you. In this episode, Anthony and Zach cover: • Altitude training in Breckenridge, Colorado • Training and recovering at 9,000 to 10,000 feet • Altitude acclimatization and the effects of elevation • Running and hiking at altitude • The “train high, recover low” concept • Berlin Marathon preparation • Marathon pacing and race strategy • Fueling for the marathon • Surviving the final 10K of a marathon • Using Berlin as preparation for Rocket City Marathon • Tadej Pogačar and his Vuelta crash • The mental side of recovering from a cycling crash • Tom Pidcock and professional cycling • Downhill bike handling and descending • Zach’s recent 5K race • Racing strategy and competing against younger runners • The Mississippi running community • The inaugural Last Wolf Howling backyard ultra • Backyard ultra strategy and pacing • The 4.167-mile backyard ultra loop • Running 100 miles and beyond • Sleep deprivation during ultramarathons • Nutrition and caffeine during long races • Nighttime backyard ultra strategy • Mark Dowdle and Last Soul Ultra • Phil Gore and extreme endurance performances • The mental side of ultramarathons • Growing the Mississippi endurance community • Future Endurance State of Mind guests and episodes Endurance State of Mind is a podcast for runners, marathoners, ultrarunners, cyclists, and anyone interested in the physical and mental side of endurance sports. Hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt, the show covers everything from marathon training and ultramarathons to local races, endurance athletes, training struggles, race strategy, and the mindset required to keep pushing when things get difficult. If you enjoy running podcasts, marathon training podcasts, ultramarathon podcasts, backyard ultra racing, endurance sports, cycling, or stories from the running community, make sure to subscribe to Endurance State of Mind, leave a review, and follow the show for future episodes. Berlin Marathon is right around the corner, Last Wolf Howling is coming to Petal, and Rocket City Marathon is next on the calendar. The guys are just getting started. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

In this episode of Endurance State of Mind, we sit down with Mississippi native, former Mississippi College runner, content creator, and entrepreneur Brock Kelly to talk about his journey from competitive high school and collegiate running to becoming one of the most recognizable running creators in Mississippi. Brock takes us all the way back to his introduction to running in Tupelo, Mississippi, his rise through the high school ranks, becoming Mississippi’s Gatorade Runner of the Year, and his time competing at Mississippi College. He also opens up about the pressure of competing at the collegiate level, injuries, learning how to handle failure, and the mental side of endurance sports. We dive deep into how Brock first picked up a camera and began documenting his running journey on YouTube, long before running content became what it is today. He shares how early videos, limited equipment, and countless hours of editing eventually led to opportunities with Tinman Elite and a summer in Colorado working alongside some of the biggest names in running. Brock also breaks down the story behind The Daily Mile, the Instagram series that exploded after he suffered a stress fracture and began documenting his return to running through swimming, cross-training, and eventually racing again. He talks about why vulnerability and consistency connected with his audience, how creating content became a form of accountability, and what it is like turning your own running journey into something that thousands of people follow. We also get into Brock's transition from collegiate track to the marathon, including his first marathon at Grandma's Marathon, the brutal conditions, cramping late in the race, barely qualifying for Boston, and what he learned from the experience. Beyond running, Brock talks about creativity, videography, building an audience, brand partnerships, authenticity, and his work with Over Everything Athletics. We discuss what it means to create with intention and how running, storytelling, business, and community can all come together. Whether you're a runner, marathoner, content creator, or someone interested in building something from the ground up, this is a conversation packed with lessons about consistency, creativity, failure, injury, ambition, and finding your own path. Follow Brock Kelly: Instagram: @bkelly5192 YouTube: The Brock Kelly Over Everything Athletics: https://oe.run/pages/thearchives In this episode: • Brock Kelly's introduction to running in Mississippi • High school running and becoming Gatorade Runner of the Year • Running at Mississippi College • The transition from runner to content creator • Learning photography and videography • Early YouTube videos and building an audience • Tin Man Elite and the Colorado experience • Running 100 miles per week • Injury, stress fractures, and the creation of The Daily Mile • The power of vulnerability and consistency • Building a running community through content • Transitioning from collegiate track to the marathon • Grandma's Marathon and qualifying for Boston • Creativity, entrepreneurship, and Over Everything Athletics • Staying authentic while working with brands • Creating with intention and purpose This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in running, endurance sports, marathon training, running content creation, YouTube, Instagram, storytelling, and the mindset behind building a life around the things you love. Listen, subscribe, and follow Endurance State of Mind for more conversations with athletes, runners, creators, and people pushing the limits of what is possible. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Anthony and Zach are back for another episode of Endurance State of Mind, and this time it’s just the two hosts taking a deep dive into everything happening across the endurance sports world. From incredible ultramarathon performances and backyard ultras to cycling, marathon training, upcoming races, and updates from some of the athletes we’ve had on the podcast, there is a lot to talk about. The guys start by breaking down Aimee Warnke’s incredible performance at the Bigfoot 200, where she battled deep into the race and ultimately moved into the lead around the 170-mile mark. After previously sharing Aimee’s story on Endurance State of Mind, seeing her return to Bigfoot and put together such an impressive performance makes this one of those endurance stories that is impossible not to follow. They also talk about Last Soul Ultra, one of the backyard-style ultras that has Anthony and Zach seriously considering taking on a backyard ultra themselves. The conversation eventually turns to Mark Dowdle, his incredible backyard ultra performances, and the upcoming 2026 Big's Backyard World Team Championship. What makes backyard ultras so fascinating? How far can someone like Mark Dowdle actually go? And what happens when you put some of the best backyard ultra runners in the world together? The conversation also covers Phil Gore and Project 168, Leadville 100, and some of the other major endurance events that have captured the attention of runners and fans recently. The guys talk about the growing popularity of following endurance sports from a distance, how social media and live race tracking have changed the way fans experience ultramarathons, and why it feels like there is always another incredible race happening somewhere. Cycling gets some attention too, including updates on Grayson Taylor, his recent racing, and the crossover between running and cycling. Anthony and Zach also discuss the differences between the two sports and how racing experience, bike handling, training, and consistency can all play a role when a runner makes the jump into competitive cycling. And, of course, there are plenty of Endurance State of Mind life updates. Anthony talks about his upcoming Berlin Marathon, the guys discuss the possibility of finding a local backyard ultra, and they look ahead to what's coming next for both the podcast and their own endurance goals. Whether you're into ultramarathons, 200-mile races, backyard ultras, marathon training, trail running, cycling, endurance racing, or simply the stories behind the people who push themselves way past what seems possible, this episode has a little bit of everything. In this episode:  Aimee Warnke and the Bigfoot 200  The incredible world of 200-mile ultramarathons  Last Soul Ultra  Mark Dowdle and backyard ultras  Big's Backyard World Team Championship  Phil Gore and Project 168  Leadville 100  Grayson Taylor and competitive cycling  Running vs. cycling and the crossover between the two  Anthony's Berlin Marathon preparation  Backyard ultra plans and race hunting  Updates from previous Endurance State of Mind guests  What's happening next for Anthony, Zach, and the podcast Endurance State of Mind is a podcast about the people, races, struggles, victories, and completely unreasonable decisions that make endurance sports so addictive. Join Anthony Herrington and Zach Vogt as they talk running, ultramarathons, cycling, marathon training, and everything in between. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

What does it actually take to race the Rocket City Marathon? Not just finish 26.2 miles, but actually execute a smart marathon from the starting line to the finish? On this episode of Endurance State of Mind, we're heading to Huntsville, Alabama, for the 50th edition of the Rocket City Marathon with Josh Moore, a coach, marathoner, and two-time Rocket City Marathon finisher. This isn't just a Rocket City Marathon course preview. We're talking about how to actually race the course, how to pace yourself, when to be patient, when to start pushing, and what runners chasing a PR, Boston Qualifying time, or sub-three-hour marathon should be thinking about before race day. Josh takes us through the Rocket City Marathon course and shares his experience racing it, including his time pacing the three-hour group during the 2025 race. We break down the opening miles, the residential sections, the Space Center, the Botanical Gardens, the final 10K, and the fast finish toward the Von Braun Center. One of the biggest lessons of the episode is simple: don't try to win the marathon in the first half. The opening miles can feel easy. You're rested, the adrenaline is high, the crowds are around you, and your goal pace can suddenly feel much faster than it should. We talk about why staying disciplined early can make all the difference when you reach miles 20, 22, and beyond. Josh also shares lessons from the 2025 Rocket City Marathon three-hour pace group, including what happens when runners leave a pace group too early, how the race changes in the second half, and why the runners who are patient early can often be the ones still moving late in the race. We get into one of the most practical questions for marathon runners: Do you trust your GPS watch or the official mile markers? We discuss GPS accuracy, certified marathon courses, running tangents, and why runners chasing a specific finishing time should build a little cushion into their goal rather than expecting their watch to perfectly match every official mile marker. That leads to a bigger conversation about marathon pacing strategy. If you're chasing a three-hour marathon, should you run exactly 6:52 pace from start to finish? Or should you give yourself some room for turns, aid stations, crowds, GPS variation, and the reality of running 26.2 miles? We break down how to approach your goal pace without becoming obsessed with the number on your watch. We also talk about the biggest moments on the Rocket City course, including the Space Center, Botanical Gardens, elevation changes, and final miles back toward Huntsville. The final 10K becomes especially important. Instead of spending your energy early, the goal is to arrive at the final 10K with something left. Josh explains why runners shouldn't be afraid to change gears around the 10K-to-go mark and start racing when the course begins to work in their favor. We also discuss a key mental checkpoint late in the race: 24.7 miles. Instead of thinking about how much farther you have to go until 26.2, getting to roughly 24.7 miles means you're almost home. The crowds are coming back, the finish is getting closer, and it's time to spend whatever you've been saving. Beyond pacing and course strategy, we get into the practical side of marathon racing. We talk about fueling, hydration, aid stations, warm-ups, clothing, cold-weather racing, and watch data. Josh explains how he uses lap pace and lap time to stay on target instead of constantly chasing the instantaneous pace on his watch. We also look back at the difficult conditions during the 2025 Rocket City Marathon, including cold temperatures and strong winds, and talk about how runners can prepare for unpredictable December weather in Huntsville. If you're running Rocket City, preparation isn't just about the miles. It's about knowing the course, understanding the conditions, having a fueling plan, knowing your goal pace, and being prepared to adjust when race day doesn't go exactly according to plan. We also talk about what makes the Rocket City Marathon such a special race. With nearly 50 years of history, a fast course, strong organization, and a race-day experience designed around the runner, Rocket City has developed a reputation as a race for runners, by runners. From transportation and parking to aid stations, course support, the expo, and the finish inside the Von Braun Center, the goal is to take as much of the logistical stress away from runners as possible. Once you're on the starting line, there's really only one thing left to do: Run. And that's where the conversation gets bigger than Rocket City. We talk about what it means to stand on a marathon starting line with a PR or Boston Qualifying goal after months of training. You've already done the work. You've already completed the long runs. You've already put in the early mornings, the late nights, the sacrifices, and all the miles that brought you to race day. Now it's time to be present and see what that work can produce. We talk about gratitude, staying in the moment, accepting the possibility of failure, and remembering that simply putting yourself on a starting line with a difficult goal is something worth celebrating. Because not everyone is willing to put themselves in a position where they might fail. That's part of what makes endurance sports so special. Whether you're running your first marathon, chasing your next PR, trying to break three hours, pursuing a Boston Qualifying time, or simply looking for a smarter way to approach 26.2 miles, this episode is packed with practical advice you can take straight to the starting line. In this episode: • Rocket City Marathon 2026  • 50th edition of the Rocket City Marathon  • Rocket City Marathon history  • Huntsville, Alabama  • Rocket City Marathon course breakdown  • Rocket City elevation and course strategy  • Marathon pacing strategy  • Marathon PR strategy  • Boston Qualifying strategy  • Sub-3 marathon strategy  • Three-hour marathon pacing  • Marathon pace groups  • GPS vs. official mile markers  • Marathon fueling and hydration  • Cold-weather marathon racing  • The 2025 Rocket City Marathon  • Racing the final 10K  • The 24.7-mile mental checkpoint  • Space Center and Botanical Gardens  • Von Braun Center finish  • Marathon race-day strategy  • How to avoid going out too fast  • When to start pushing  • How to finish a marathon strong  • Two-time Rocket City Marathon finisher Josh Moore  • Endurance State of Mind Know your pace. Know the course. Be patient early. Save something for the finish. And when you get to that final 10K, it's time to race. This is Endurance State of Mind — a podcast about running, racing, endurance sports, the people behind the miles, and everything that happens between the starting line and the finish. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

What makes ultrarunning so compelling? Is it the elite athletes breaking records, the runners fighting through the final miles, or the stories of ordinary people doing something they never knew they could accomplish? On this episode of Endurance State of Mind, we sit down with Chris Worden, one of the most recognizable voices behind the live coverage of some of the biggest races in ultrarunning. Chris has completed more than 170 races and has spent years on both sides of the microphone—as an ultrarunner and as a broadcaster covering some of the most iconic endurance events in the country. Through his work with Mountain Outpost and Aravaipa Running, Chris has had a front-row seat to the evolution of trail running, ultramarathons, and the rapidly growing world of live ultrarunning coverage. From Cocodona 250 and Western States to Hardrock 100, Black Canyon, Javelina, Desert Solstice, and other major trail races, Chris has watched some of the greatest performances in the sport unfold in real time. But what makes his perspective unique is that he isn't only interested in the front of the pack. Chris believes some of the most powerful stories in ultrarunning are happening much farther back. In this episode, we talk about how Chris went from being a runner and former radio broadcaster to becoming one of the voices of modern ultrarunning. He explains how an opportunity to help broadcast Desert Solstice in 2018 ultimately turned into years of covering major ultramarathons and trail races across the country. Chris shares what it is actually like to spend hour after hour behind the microphone covering an ultramarathon, including the preparation, research, storytelling, sleep deprivation, and constant attention required to follow races that can last 24, 48, 60, or even 100+ hours. We also get into what Chris calls "farming for engagement"—his approach to meeting runners before races, walking around race towns, attending expos, talking with competitors, learning their stories, and finding the details that can later bring a live broadcast to life. Because in ultrarunning, everyone has a story. Chris explains why getting to know the runners before the race allows him and his broadcast partners to tell better stories once the race is underway. A runner who may be completely unknown to the audience on Friday can suddenly become one of the people thousands of viewers are cheering for on Saturday. And that leads into one of the biggest themes of this conversation: the importance of covering the back of the pack. The front of an ultramarathon gets the headlines. The records, the podiums, the course records, and the elite athletes naturally attract attention. But Chris believes the runners fighting through the final miles can create just as much—if not more—emotional investment from the audience. We discuss some of the unforgettable moments from Cocodona 250, including the incredible story of Wayne Amo, who came within roughly a minute and a half of the cutoff after covering 250 miles. Chris describes what it was like watching the clock, doing the math, and trying to will Wayne toward the finish line as the entire broadcast team became emotionally invested in the outcome. That story becomes a perfect example of why ultrarunning is different. You may not be able to relate to a professional athlete running a record-setting performance, but you can relate to someone fighting through exhaustion, doubt, pain, and uncertainty just to make it to the finish line. We talk about why those stories matter and why the ultra community has become such an accessible and welcoming part of endurance sports. Chris also shares his thoughts on how ultrarunning has changed over the years. More generous cutoffs, more coaches working with everyday runners, improved race coverage, better production, social media, documentaries, YouTube, and the growing number of people discovering trail running have all helped make the sport more accessible. The conversation also dives into the incredible people working behind the scenes to make live ultramarathon coverage possible. We talk about follow filmers, bike crews, drones, camera operators, and the people running miles and miles alongside athletes just to capture footage for the broadcast. Some of these camera operators are elite-level runners themselves, while others are simply willing to put themselves through an incredible physical effort to tell the story of someone else's race. Chris explains why all of these pieces are necessary to create a live ultramarathon broadcast and why following a runner through difficult terrain for hours can be its own endurance event. From there, we look toward the future. Could ultrarunning eventually have a regular place on ESPN or another major sports network? Chris doesn't necessarily believe full live broadcasts of 100-mile races are the most realistic model for mainstream television, but he sees a real opportunity for an ultrarunning roundup or weekly show that highlights the biggest races, performances, personalities, and storylines in the sport. With major races already drawing thousands—and sometimes tens of thousands—of viewers online, the audience is clearly there. We discuss what needs to happen for ultrarunning to continue breaking into the mainstream, including sponsorship, increased viewership, better storytelling, documentaries, athlete-created content, and the importance of demonstrating the value of the sport to sponsors and media companies. Chris also talks about the growing influence of ultrarunning films and documentaries, including The Chase, and why he believes the next generation of storytelling could be a major part of the sport's future. One of the most interesting parts of the conversation is the discussion around failure. In a world where social media often shows only the wins, podiums, PRs, course records, and perfect finishes, Chris believes the stories where things go wrong can sometimes be even more compelling. A DNF. A failed attempt. A race that doesn't go according to plan. An athlete who has to go back to the drawing board. Those moments create vulnerability and make elite athletes more relatable to everyday runners. We discuss how that idea applies to athletes like Max Jolliffe, whose difficult experience at Cocodona was followed by an incredible performance at Badwater 135. Chris explains why the story doesn't end with the failure—and why watching an athlete come back and try again can be one of the most compelling narratives in endurance sports. We also get Chris's thoughts on the future of athlete storytelling and why runners may benefit from putting more of their journey out into the world instead of only documenting the final successful result. And then we get into one of the most fun parts of the episode: Chris Worden's Mount Rushmore of North American ultrarunners. His four selections: Ann Trason Courtney Dauwalter Scott Jurek Carl "The Speedgoat" Meltzer Chris explains why each of them deserves a place on his personal ultrarunning Mount Rushmore and discusses the possibility that today's generation of runners—including names like Jim Walmsley and Rachel Entrekin—could eventually force their way into that conversation. We also talk trail running shoes as Chris reveals his current favorites for a 50K, including the HOKA Speedgoat 7, Mizuno Neo Vista/Neo Acero, and Mount to Coast H1, and he explains which shoe he'd grab for a fast, runnable Arizona trail. Finally, we look ahead to the future of Aravaipa Running, Mountain Outpost, and live race coverage, including the possibility of coverage expanding to races such as Zion 100. This is a conversation about much more than broadcasting. It's about why people run, why people watch, why stories matter, and why ultrarunning continues to attract people who are willing to do things they aren't sure they can accomplish. Whether you're an ultramarathon runner, trail runner, marathoner, triathlete, endurance athlete, race director, crew member, pacer, or simply someone fascinated by human performance, there's something in this conversation for you. In this episode: 00:00 – Introducing Chris Worden 01:30 – How Chris got into running 03:39 – Chris's path into radio and broadcasting 06:30 – From finance and accounting back to broadcasting 07:00 – The beginning of Mountain Outpost live coverage 08:00 – Broadcasting 24-hour endurance events 10:00 – Covering more than 170 races 10:30 – The dream of working in ultrarunning 12:00 – Preparing for major ultramarathons 14:00 – Chris's research process before races 15:00 – Why runner surveys matter 16:00 – "Farming for engagement" 17:00 – Meeting runners before the race 18:00 – Finding the stories behind the bib numbers 20:00 – The incredible story of Wayne Amo at Cocodona 22:00 – Watching a runner fight the cutoff 24:00 – Why telling back-of-the-pack stories matters 26:00 – The Golden Hour at Cocodona 27:00 – What Chris learned from Ironman 29:00 – Why the back of the pack represents most runners 31:00 – Why ultrarunning is becoming more accessible 33:00 – Generous cutoffs and the growth of the sport 35:00 – The people behind the cameras 36:00 – Follow filmers, bikes, and drones 38:00 – How difficult it is to follow elite ultrarunners 39:00 – The future of ultrarunning coverage 40:00 – Could ultrarunning make it to ESPN? 42:00 https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Walker Higgins joins Endurance State of Mind for one of our most anticipated episodes yet. If you've spent any time in the ultrarunning or trail running community throughout the Southeast, you've likely heard Walker's name. His resume includes some of the toughest endurance events in the world, including Badwater 135, Spartathlon, expedition racing, multi-day adventure races, elite 100-mile performances, and one of the most remarkable pacing displays we've ever seen at Six Days in the Dome. Beyond his accomplishments as an athlete, Walker has inspired countless runners through coaching, race directing, and creating unforgettable endurance events that have helped shape trail running throughout Louisiana and the Gulf South. In this episode, Walker shares his journey from an adventurous kid growing up in Louisiana to becoming one of the most respected ultrarunners in the region. He talks about the races that changed his life, the mindset required to compete at the highest level, and the lessons he's learned after decades of pushing the limits of human endurance. Walker tells the story of how his very first 5K sparked a competitive fire that never went away. After getting passed late in the race by another runner—and then by someone pushing a stroller—he became determined to see just how far he could take his potential. That single race ultimately led him into adventure racing, expedition racing, ultramarathons, and some of the most demanding endurance competitions on the planet. We spend time exploring Walker's background in expedition racing, where athletes spend multiple days navigating forests, rivers, mountains, and wilderness using mountain biking, kayaking, trekking, climbing, swimming, and running. He explains why those experiences became the perfect foundation for ultrarunning and how they built the mental resilience that continues to define his racing today. The conversation then shifts to Badwater 135, widely considered one of the toughest foot races in the world. Walker discusses what it takes to qualify, why he intentionally built an aggressive racing schedule to strengthen his application, and the valuable lessons he learned after pushing his body to its limits in pursuit of one goal. We also dive into Spartathlon, the legendary 153-mile race from Athens to Sparta, Greece. Walker shares the rich history behind the event, what it's like to follow the ancient route of Pheidippides, run past centuries-old ruins, cross mountains in the middle of the night, and experience one of the most iconic endurance races ever created. One of the most entertaining stories of the episode comes from Walker's own wedding, where a friendly challenge from another ultrarunner convinced him to sign up for his very first 100-mile race. That moment became the catalyst for a career that would eventually take him around the world. One of the biggest highlights of this conversation is Walker's detailed breakdown of his incredible performance at Six Days in the Dome. If you're interested in race execution, pacing strategy, or elite ultrarunning, this section alone is worth the listen. Walker explains: How he maintained nearly identical lap splits for over 100 miles.Why consistency beats speed in long-distance racing.The mental tricks he used to stay focused for nearly fourteen hours.Why bathroom breaks became part of his race strategy.How positive thinking helped him push through some of the hardest moments of his career.What it takes to execute an elite 100-mile performance from start to finish.Throughout the episode, Walker shares practical advice for runners of every level. We discuss: Preparing for your first ultramarathon.Why most runners lose the race before the starting line.The importance of pacing discipline.Training slower to race faster.Nutrition and hydration strategies.Learning to adapt when your race falls apart.The difference between physical fitness and mental toughness.Why consistency always beats shortcuts.Building grit over years—not weeks.Walker also discusses his coaching philosophy and why learning to embrace discomfort during training often becomes the difference between success and disappointment on race day. Rather than chasing instant results, he encourages athletes to become comfortable with patience, consistency, and long-term development. Anthony and Zach also share their own experiences with endurance sports, pacing mistakes, visualization techniques, caffeine strategies, and the mental battles that occur deep into ultramarathons. One of the biggest announcements of the episode comes in the second half: WHOA Racing is back. Walker officially shares the return of WHOA Racing, the Louisiana race organization known for creating some of the South's most unique endurance events. He discusses: The return of the Cane Field Classic.Plans for bringing back Children of the Cane.The legacy of Beast for a Day.Why he stepped away from race directing.What inspired him to bring these races back.New endurance event ideas currently in development.His vision for the future of trail running throughout Louisiana and the Gulf South.Walker also talks about The Block Fit in Baton Rouge, where he coaches everyone from beginner runners to collegiate athletes and elite ultramarathon competitors. He explains how the gym has grown into a complete training facility featuring strength training, endurance coaching, yoga, Pilates, sauna, cold plunge, recovery services, and personal coaching. Later in the episode, Walker discusses his upcoming goals, including chasing a sub-five-minute mile at 44 years old, returning to the New Orleans Ultramarathon, and pursuing an ambitious sub-six-hour 50-mile performance. His willingness to set bold goals—even when failure is possible—offers valuable perspective for athletes at every level. Walker closes the conversation with one of the most powerful messages we've heard on Endurance State of Mind: Don't rush your endurance journey. You don't have to run a 100-mile race next year. You don't need to copy elite athletes. You don't need to constantly chase bigger races. Build your fitness, enjoy the process, and allow endurance sports to become something that lasts for decades rather than just a few seasons. Whether you're training for your first marathon, your first 50K, your first 100-mile race, preparing for Badwater 135, dreaming about Spartathlon, or simply looking for inspiration to become mentally stronger, this episode is packed with stories, lessons, and practical advice from one of the Gulf South's most accomplished endurance athletes. If you enjoyed this episode, please like the video, subscribe to the channel, and leave a comment letting us know your favorite takeaway from Walker's story. Your support helps us continue bringing conversations with elite athletes, coaches, race directors, and inspiring members of the endurance community. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you on the next episode of Endurance State of Mind. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

This week on Endurance State of Mind, we bring on one of the most well rounded athletes and sharpest cycling minds we've had on the show. John Daly. Six foot seven, 250 pound former Citadel football player. 18 year active duty Navy Civil Engineer Corps officer. Deployed across the world with the CBs, including hard tours through Europe and Africa. Powerlifter who has bench pressed 500 pounds on two different continents. Road cyclist. Rower. Peloton dominator turned Gulf Coast Bicycle Club regular. And the guy in our group chat who can actually make sense of what we just watched at the Tour de France. We open with John's journey. From growing up in Marietta, Georgia playing baseball as a right handed first baseman who nobody needed, to earning a football scholarship at The Citadel where he studied civil engineering under a full ride. From working construction and design out of school to joining the Navy in 2007 to build in some of the toughest places on earth. And from powerlifting his way to a 500 pound bench in the 275 pound class to picking up a Peloton bike with his wife in 2017 that quietly rewrote what he thought was possible. John tells us about the moment he realized dominating the Peloton leaderboard was not the same thing as being a road cyclist, buying his first entry level Giant Contend 3 from a shop in Georgia, and finding his community on the Mississippi Gulf Coast under the mentorship of Eddie Holmes and the Gulf Coast Bicycle Club. He talks about deploying with NMCB 133 across Europe and Africa, using sport as a shared language when no other language works, and how a soccer ball or rugby ball can build trust and camaraderie faster than any English speaking classroom ever could. He walks us through his climb of Haleakala in Hawaii, the 10,000 foot stratovolcano that taught him a hard lesson about watts per kilogram when you weigh 250 pounds. The bonk. The nutrition failure. The fact that he had to drive down the first 5,000 feet of descent because he could no longer safely hold the brakes on a six percent grade. And what it means to prepare for one specific day when you do not live on the island where the climb sits. Then he takes us inside his most recent big ride. Seattle to Portland (STP). 206 miles from Husky Stadium to Portland in a single day. Five AM wave, on the road for over 12 hours, on the bus back until midnight, home at 2 AM. 6,400 people signed up. Roughly 10 percent do it in one day. John was one of them. And then we get into the reason a lot of you clicked this episode. The 2025 Tour de France, unpacked from the inside out by someone who actually understands what he is looking at. We dig into Tadej Pogačar's performance on Alpe d'Huez. Seven watts per kilo for 35 minutes. A two and a half minute gap to Sep Kuss, Carapaz, and Lenny Martinez that Tadej closed alone after Adam Yates set him up at the base of the mountain. John explains why he thinks Tadej was fully peaked for that specific stage, why his consistency across the year is the strongest evidence for his physiology being legitimate, and how his relatively heavier build at 68 kilos changes the math on wattage output. He also explains why Tadej climbing that mountain on a Colnago Y1 Rs aerobike matters, and why Chris Froome's high cadence style might not be what works for the current era of climbers. We tackle the doping questions head on. The high altitude alibi and the theory of microdosed EPO hiding under expected altitude bloodwork spikes. Whether the anti doping wake up calls at 2 AM for Jonas Vingegaard and 5 AM for Tadej Pogačar between two of the hardest mountain stages of the tour were necessary, appropriate, or a step too far. Whether Jonas being woken in the middle of the night played a role in his crash on stage 14 that broke his collarbone and ended his tour. And what a real biological passport can and cannot prove. We break down the wide open podium fight for second and third after Jonas went out. Remco Evenepoel. Isaac Del Toro. Paul Seixas. Tom Pidcock. Florian Lipowitz. The Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe two team leader problem. Sep Kuss missing his feed and going over the barrier at speed on the descent (thankfully into the safety net). What the Peloton dynamics look like when the whole race is essentially a Tadej Pogačar exhibition. We get into cutting edge nutrition science. The exogenous lactate gels being tested by Labdafield, Exolactate, Santa Madre, and Innervit. Whether a four percent gain is actually meaningful at the top of the sport, or whether it disappears into the noise of training effect and individual variability. Why ketones seem to have shifted from performance to recovery in the peloton. We close with the Champs Elysees finish that John calls one of the most otherworldly moments in cycling. Matthew van der Poel kicking Tadej Pogačar off his wheel on the Montmartre climb. Tadej holding 700 watts for over a minute just to hang on. MVDP dropping an estimated 1,500 watt sprint (two horsepower) to take the stage by the width of a wheel. Whether Jasper Philipsen sat up and let van der Poel take it. And Lance Armstrong's observation on The Move that Lance himself would have never even bothered racing that stage. We finish with the big question. How many more Tours can Tadej win? Zach says five. John says four. Both of us agree the window will narrow, but nobody in the current peloton looks like they can push him one on one the way Jonas can. If you love the Tour de France, want to actually understand the numbers, or just want a great conversation about the sport we all love, this one is for you. EPISODE TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome. Introducing John Daly.  01:15 From Marietta baseball to The Citadel football and engineering.  03:00 Joining the Navy Civil Engineer Corps in 2007.  04:00 Powerlifting to a 500 pound bench on two continents.  05:15 The Peloton bike that started the cycling journey.  06:20 Getting the first road bike and joining the Gulf Coast Bicycle Club.  07:30 Deploying with NMCB 133 across Europe and Africa.  08:15 Sport as an international language.  09:30 Shoutout to Eddie Holmes and the Gulf Coast Bicycle Club community.  10:20 From engineering right out of college to active duty.  11:00 How height changes the drafting math on a bike.  12:20 Bart and the impossible draft off a small rider.  13:00 Why powerlifting eventually reaches a diminishing returns wall.  14:30 The five pound difference at the top of any sport.  16:45 Seattle to Portland 206 miles in a day.  19:45 6,400 riders, 700 do it in one day.  20:45 Climbing Haleakala from sea level to 10,000 feet.  22:45 The descent when your hands are too cashed to hold the brakes.  23:45 Sep Kuss missing his feed and the net that saved him.  25:30 The physical feeling of missing nutrition mid climb.  27:00 Kicking off the Tour de France deep dive with Alpe d'Huez.  29:00 Why John's evidence for Tadej is consistency across the year.  30:00 Adam Yates as leadout and the two and a half minute chase.  31:00 Seven watts per kilo for 35 minutes.  32:30 Johan Bruyneel's take on The Move.  33:00 Greg LeMond and Anthony's thoughts on cadence versus wattage.  34:30 Genetic VO2 max versus trainable VO2 max.  35:30  Why Tadej climbing on an aero bike matters.  36:00 Bike frame material evolution from Lance's era to now.  37:40 Cadence as a personal fingerprint.  38:00 The exogenous lactate gel discussion.  39:30 Whether four percent is real or noise.  41:00 Did Jonas's absence help Tadej run away with it?  43:00 The Remco versus Lipowitz Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe leadership question.  45:00 Zach on the high altitude alibi and microdosing EPO.  46:00 Why the microdose ceiling limits the theory.  48:00 Middle of the night anti doping wake up calls.  50:00 Tadej's response and the character piece.  53:00 Descending as a mental endurance event.  55:00 Tadej's simple disciplined life in Slovenia.  56:30 Van der Poel on Montmartre.  57:00 Why Tadej skipped the Vuelta this year.  58:00 The UCI Worlds in Rwanda as the next big target.  01:00:15 Facing Primoz Roglic once he drops in.  01:01:15 The 2021 Vuelta time trial where Tadej snatched yellow.  01:01:45 Neutralizing the general classification times on the final stage.  01:04:15 Why the neutralization actually cost France a podium.  01:05:20 Ending on Van der Poel's 1,500 watt sprint to win it by a wheel.  01:07:00 How many more tours can Tadej win?  01:08:00 Mads Pettersen bridging gaps for green jersey points.  01:09:00 Did Jasper Philipsen let Van der Poel take Montmartre?  01:11:00 The one wheel finish and Lance's take on The Move.  01:12:00 Tadej with no theory of victory still refusing to sit up. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Just the two hosts this week, back behind the mics fresh off Big Butts 50K in the Mississippi summer, with a heat index that touched 106 and a story arc that included a two hour personal best, a survival mode second half, and a whole lot to unpack. We open with the reality of racing an ultra when the sun peaks at 97, the humidity turns the course into a sauna, and the heat advisories keep rolling in. Anthony walks through his day lap by lap. How he set expectations without telling anyone, how he executed nutrition to a T after learning from Mississippi 50, how he lost his entire bottle of carbs and electrolytes in the first half mile of lap four, and how he still hunted down a sub 6 hour finish by sprinting the last two miles at a 190 heart rate with 10 minutes to spare. Two hour PR. Mission accomplished. Zach walks through his own race, including how the humidity hit like a light switch at the start of lap three, how his ice bandana strategy stopped working, and how his core body temperature stayed elevated so long that he registered a low grade fever seven hours after crossing the line. Real talk about what it takes to just get to the finish line in these conditions, and why the Big Butts 100K finish rate this year was four out of seventeen. We give major shoutouts to David Slowick for a podium finish at the 100K, the Delot family, Ward, Jamie, Lacey Saul, and Michael Yarbrough for showing up in that oven. And we talk through Anthony's three bucket framework that made this his best race in years: execution discipline, sleep hygiene, and nutrition. Then we pivot to one of the coolest sporting moments of the year. Josh Kerr broke the mile world record over the weekend. 3:42, taking down Hicham El Guerrouj's 27 year old record. Kerr called his shot months in advance under a project he named Two Two Two (222 seconds to break 3:43). He documented the entire vulnerable journey publicly, showed his prep workouts, and delivered on the biggest stage. We dig into what made it special beyond the number: the courage to call your shot in front of the world, the discipline of showing up every day, and the Steve Magness quote that stopped us both in our tracks. "On the starting line, trying harder is the enemy. You spend years grabbing control, then in the moment that matters most, the skill is letting go of it." Then we head to France for a Tour de France week 2 that flipped the entire race on its head. Tadej Pogačar answered every question people had about whether the field could keep him close. He went from being down 8 minutes on Jonas Vingegaard early to putting up an 11 minute swing on a single stage, opening a lead that already feels insurmountable with a week to go. Then Jonas crashed on stage 14 and broke his collarbone, ending his tour. And a controversy exploded around the anti doping officials waking Jonas at 2 AM and Tadej at 5 AM to test them between two of the most demanding mountain stages of the tour, with the cycling community raising real questions about how that was handled. We break down what a wide open podium fight for second and third looks like now. Remco Evenepoel, Isaac Del Toro, Paul Seixas, Tom Pidcock, Florian Lipowitz, and the mess at Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe with two team leaders who clearly do not want to work together. Plus a great Lance Armstrong quote from The Move about Tade being fully aware of the yellow jersey count he could be chasing. And of course we wrap the tour segment with the running Watch Update from the peloton. Pogačar wore his $989,000 Richard Mille. Matthew van der Poel showed up with a $300,000 Richard Mille and a Rolex Daytona. Jasper Philipsen sported a $60,000 AP. Quinn Simmons in a Tudor Black Bay flying the American flag. And Ben O'Connor in a Cartier Santos. We close with a huge shoutout to Sierra Morris, host of the Shattered Runner Podcast, who absolutely shattered her goals at the Vermont 100 this weekend after publicly documenting her mental and physical training. Both Anthony and Zach will be appearing on her show soon. If you love endurance sports, PR stories, world records, cycling drama, or just watching normal people do genuinely hard things in horrible conditions, this one is for you. EPISODE TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome. Fresh off Big Butts 50K.  01:05 Heat index of 106 in Jackson, Mississippi. The AAR from weather.com.  02:00 Only 4 of 17 finished the Big Butts 100K.  04:45 Anthony's expectations coming into year two of Big Butts.  06:00 Nailing nutrition and heart rate management.  07:30 Lap one and two overconfidence.  08:00 The two hour PR and sub 6 finish.  09:20 Losing the bottle of carbs and electrolytes at the start of lap four.  12:15 The sprint to the finish at 190 heart rate.  15:00 Zach's survival lap and the humidity light switch.  17:30 Ice bandanas, core body temperature, and a post race low grade fever.  20:00 Shoutout to David Slowick and the 100K podium.  22:30 Anthony's three bucket framework: execution discipline, sleep hygiene, nutrition.  25:30 Not going to Taco Bell (this time).  27:00 Josh Kerr breaks the mile world record.  28:00 Project Two Two Two and calling his shot.  30:00 The vulnerability of documenting the journey publicly.  34:00 The Steve Magness quote that stopped us both.  38:00 Tour de France week 2 recap.  39:00 Tade's massive swing on Jonas.  40:00 Jonas crashes on stage 14 and breaks his collarbone.  41:00 The 2 AM anti doping controversy.  42:00 A wide open podium fight for second and third.  47:00 Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe's two team leader dysfunction.  50:30 Lance Armstrong from The Move on Tade and the yellow jersey count.  53:00 The Watch Update from the peloton.  55:00 Sierra Morris shatters her Vermont 100 goals.  56:00 Big Butts shoutouts across the running community.  57:30 Mic drop. TOPICS COVERED Racing an ultra in extreme heat and humidity  Pacing, nutrition, and execution discipline for a 50K  Sleep hygiene as a race performance lever  Big Butts Ultra 50K and 100K race recap  Community shoutouts across the Mississippi ultra scene  Josh Kerr breaking the mile world record after 27 years  Project Two Two Two and the value of calling your shot  Steve Magness on automaticity and letting go on race day  Tour de France 2025 week 2 recap  Tadej Pogačar's dominant swing on the general classification  Jonas Vingegaard's crash and broken collarbone  Anti doping test timing and rider health controversy  The wide open podium fight between Remco, Del Toro, Seixas, Pidcock, and Lipowitz  Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe's leadership dynamic  The rider watch trends and the money on the wrist at the tour  Sierra Morris and the Shattered Runner Podcast Vermont 100 story ABOUT THE SHOW Endurance State of Mind is a podcast for endurance athletes who want more than splits and finish times. Hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach, we sit down with ultra runners, triathletes, cyclists, coaches, and everyday athletes to talk training, mindset, recovery, race day strategy, and the stories behind the stories. New episode every week. Follow Endurance State of Mind on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. If this episode hit you, please rate, review, and share with a friend who needs to hear it. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu

Every now and then you come across an athlete whose story forces you to rethink what endurance is really about. Not because of how many races they have won, but because of how many times they have been willing to start over. That is exactly who Epic Bill Bradley is. This week on Endurance State of Mind, we sit down with one of the most respected and recognizable figures in the ultra endurance world. Bill has swum the English Channel. He has finished the Badwater 135 in Death Valley in 57 hours cramping so hard he had to sit in a cold bath through the night. He has biked across America. He has climbed Denali. He has crossed the Grand Canyon rim to rim seven times. He is a nine time Ironman finisher. He has raced the Ultraman in Hawaii against Olympians. And he has become one of the most iconic figures at the legendary Arrowhead 135. But if you ask Bill, that is not what his legacy is built on. His legacy is built on the fact that he keeps showing up. After his marriages ended. After his 10 million dollar video store empire fell to Netflix. After more DNFs than most athletes would ever be willing to talk about. After the depression. After the bankruptcy. Bill made persistence his identity. In this conversation, Bill takes us through the entire journey. He starts with getting cut from every ball sport in the ninth grade, running out of the basketball locker room crying, and watching a teammate quietly practice all summer and make the baseball team while everyone else quit for good. That was the moment he decided he was never going to quit anything again in his life. He walks us through the drinking years as a young union electrician, opening 13 video stores with a stack of credit cards after every bank in San Francisco turned him down, growing that chain into a 10 million dollar empire that beat Blockbuster head to head, and then watching Netflix quietly wipe it all out. He talks about filing for bankruptcy, being told by his second wife "this is not what I signed up for," his dad calling every night to do what Bill would later find out were suicide checks, and how running was the only tool that would let him think straight for an hour a day. He talks about the Tony Robbins seminar at 30 that started his exit from drinking, walking on coals as a metaphor for attacking his fears, and finally quitting for good and going to AA. Then we get into the racing. His first Ironman DNF in Canada at 105 degrees. Coming back the next year to finish. Nine Ironmans and one Canada tattoo on his left calf. Sneaking his way into the Ultraman in Hawaii. Making the decision to swim the English Channel on the spot after realizing a channel swimmer had only beat him by five minutes in an Ultraman ocean swim. Qualifying with a six hour cold water swim inside of six months. Finishing Badwater 135. Biking across America in the Race Across America at 18 hours a day on the seat for 16 straight days, wearing four pairs of bike shorts by the end. We get into Denali. Five attempts. Getting stuck in an eight day blizzard at the 10,000 foot camp. His mountain guide roasting him for peeing outside the tent during a blizzard. Getting so sick he had to descend with a Russian tent mate who had boot bang while Bill kept falling weak, both of them chained together on the rope like a chain gang. And then rock climbing Half Dome via the snake dike route to attack his fear of heights. Skydiving. Illegal after hours bungee jumping off a bridge. And the incredible moment his lead climber told him "if you fall on this granite slab, I am going to pancake you and we are going to grind down together until we stop." We finish with the one piece of advice Bill gives every young athlete or entrepreneur who tells him they want to do something big. Do not sit in the bike shop cutting the ends off your gear shifters trying to make things perfect. Get in the arena. Start. Stumble. Learn. Come back. Then you can stand tall and look people in the eye. That is the entire game. Bill is featured in six documentaries. His two most well known are Epic Bill (available on Amazon and Apple TV) and Forty Below, which follows his journey at the Arrowhead 135 in International Falls. Watch them. Then come back and listen to this conversation. If you have ever been cut, laughed at, broken, bankrupt, or told what you were chasing was impossible, this is your episode. EPISODE TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome. Introducing Epic Bill Bradley.  02:36 If a little is good, a lot has to be better. The origin of an extreme mindset.  03:05 Fifth in the county in 7th grade. Cut from every ball sport by 9th grade.  04:39 Running out of the basketball locker room crying.  05:43 The teammate who practiced all summer while everybody else quit.  07:00 Never quitting anything ever again.  07:31 The four mile Tahoe run that ended with a bus ride back to the hotel.  08:20 Union electrician years. Marriage, three kids, and heavy drinking.  10:00 Opening the video store with 15 credit cards after every bank said no.  11:00 The Tony Robbins seminar. Walking on coals. Starting the exit from drinking.  12:00 Losing the drinking crowd. Finding new friends who ride bikes.  13:30 Building a $10 million video store empire that beat Blockbuster.  19:22 Netflix arrives. The second divorce. The bankruptcy filing.  22:15 "This is not what I signed up for." Dad's nightly suicide checks.  23:22 Running was the only way to think straight.  24:42 Chasing an Ironman Hawaii qualifying time.  26:00 The 105 degree DNF at Ironman Canada. Learning about hyponatremia the hard way.  27:00 Coming back the next year to finish.  28:00 Nine Ironman finishes. One Canada tattoo on the calf.  29:00 The Ultraman in Hawaii and how it opened the door to the English Channel.  30:15 Deciding to swim the English Channel on the spot.  32:00 Chasing races that scare him. Big stakes as a way to feel alive.  32:35 Biking across America in 16 days at 18 hours a day.  35:32 Finishing Badwater 135 in 57 hours. The cramping he still remembers.  39:00 Seven big races a year at his peak.  42:34 Denali. Five attempts.  45:00 The blizzard, the pee stake, and the guide who almost failed him for it.  46:00 Getting sick on Denali and descending on a rope chained to a Russian.  48:15 Cold versus heat. Which race is a darker mental place.  49:00 Attacking a fear of heights through rock climbing, skydiving, and bungee jumping.  52:00 The illegal bungee jump off a bridge at dusk.  54:00 Climbing Half Dome via the snake dike route.  56:00 "If you fall, I will pancake you."  58:00 The single best piece of advice Bill gives every young athlete.  01:00:10 Where to watch Epic Bill and Forty Below. TOPICS COVERED The mindset behind extreme endurance events  Getting cut in ninth grade and using rejection as fuel for life  Building a $10 million business with credit cards  Losing an empire to Netflix and rebuilding through running  Divorce, bankruptcy, and using ultras as therapy  Quitting drinking at 30 through Tony Robbins and AA  Ironman racing and qualifying for Hawaii  The Ultraman Hawaii experience  Swimming the English Channel qualifier  Finishing the Badwater 135 in Death Valley  Racing across America (RAAM)  Climbing Denali five times  Rock climbing Half Dome via the snake dike  Skydiving and bungee jumping to attack a fear of heights  The Arrowhead 135 in minus 40 degree conditions  Why you need to get in the arena and start  Documentary filmmaking as an endurance athlete  Inspiring the next generation of young athletes ABOUT THE SHOW Endurance State of Mind is a podcast for endurance athletes who want more than splits and finish times. Hosted by Anthony Herrington and Zach, we sit down with ultra runners, triathletes, cyclists, coaches, and everyday athletes to talk training, mindset, recovery, race day strategy, and the stories behind the stories. New episode every week. Follow Endurance State of Mind on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. If this episode hit you, please rate, review, and share with a friend who needs to hear it. Further Together. https://www.instagram.com/endurance_stateofmind?igsh=cjBnanNobHhhYXNu