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Jared Correia takes over both sides of the mic in a self-described "identity crisis" episode of Legal Late Night. In the monologue, Jared digs into artificial intelligence in the arts, dissecting an AI-generated Beatles cover of Oasis's "Don't Look Back in Anger," contrasting corporate AI efficiency with genuine human creativity, and explaining why machine learning struggles to recreate artistic "happy accidents" like the alarm clock on A Day in the Life.    For the interview, Jared dons a faux mustache to interview himself, costume changes and everything, as the founder and CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting. He walks through his origin story from college debate and state legal assistance to founding Red Cave in 2016, discusses launching the new redcavelegal.com website, and shares practical business advice on prioritizing firm goals, solving legal talent acquisition/retention issues, and tackling AI governance protocols.    The show wraps up in the Counter Program with a brand-new segment, "Number Five Is Live," where Jared challenges Google Gemini to generate a live, rapid-fire trivia quiz spanning astrophysics, thermodynamics, art history, and British monarchs. Check out this episode's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: AI in the Arts & The AI Beatles Covering Oasis (03:50) - Can AI Replicate True Human Creativity & "Happy Accidents"? (07:13) - Interview: Jared Correia Interviews... Jared Correia (08:43) - From College Debate to Launching Red Cave Law Firm Consulting (10:51) - Launching the New Red Cave Website & Designing an AI Logo (12:19) - The Vision for the Legal Broadcasting Company (13:38) - The First Steps in Law Firm Business Consulting & Managing Growth (14:25) - Law Firm Talent Acquisition, Retention, & Childhood Fears (16:45) - AI Governance Protocols: The Biggest Hurdle for Law Practices (18:27) - Counter Program: "Number Five Is Live" — Quizzing Live with Google Gemini (24:25) - Outro & "The Identity Crisis Playlist" Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia kicks off the episode exploring the collision between frontier AI vendors (Anthropic's Claude legal connectors, OpenAI's Astra4Legal) and traditional legal tech case management systems. Jared breaks down the existential crisis facing legal software vendors—whether to gatekeep their ecosystems or let the "Trojan horse" in. In the interview, Thomas Kranz, Director of Sales at ProfitSolv, shares his journey from SDR to sales director. Thomas outlines how ProfitSolv and CosmoLex approach AI security with SOC 2 compliance, highlights new embedded features like AI intake and document summarization, and details ProfitSolv's 12-product "a la carte" legal tech suite. He also offers actionable advice for law firm growth, including immediate lead response strategies, why lawyers must track non-billable time even on flat-fee cases, and why generic tools like QuickBooks struggle with IOLTA trust accounting. We lose out with a brand-new trivia game, "Thomas's Time Loops," testing Thomas on time-travel escape scenarios in iconic movies like Back to the Future Part III, Groundhog Day, and Avengers: Endgame. Learn more about ProfitSolv.Take a listen to our latest Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia opens with three broad, practical AI use cases for attorneys who aren't sure where to start: data collation, interactive/iterative search, and creative brainstorming. In the interview, NetDocuments Director of Product Management Nate Ruiz shares his journey from self-teaching web development to building an AI startup acquired by NetDocuments. Nate breaks down NetDocuments' "Next Gen Experience," detailing their new UX/UI architecture, automated "Doc Intelligence," and the "Legal Context Graph". He also explains the concept of "ambient AI"—AI that works passively in the background without needing prompts—and demystifies Model Context Protocol (MCP) and developer vibe-coding with Claude. The episode concludes in the Counter Program with the return of "Holidays on Holiday," where Nate tests his historical knowledge against Jared on defunct ancient and medieval holidays. Learn more about Nate Ruiz and NetDocuments.Check out this week's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: 3 Practical AI Use Cases for Lawyers (01:48) - Use Case 1: Collating & Aggregating Large Datasets (03:10) - Use Case 2: Interactive & Iterative AI Search (04:34) - Use Case 3: Creative Brainstorming & Revision Partnering (06:53) - Interview: Meet Nate Ruiz, Director of Product Management at NetDocuments (07:41) - Learning to Code, Bootcamp Life, & The Termscout / Screens AI Startup (11:39) - Transitioning to NetDocuments & Managing Customer Feedback (15:01) - Re-Architecting NetDocuments: The "Next Gen Experience" (18:08) - Unpacking the Legal Context Graph & Automated Doc Intelligence (22:46) - Ambient AI: AI That Works Without Asking (26:42) - Integrating Legal Authorities, Citations, & CourtListener (29:55) - How Developers Use AI Coding Agents & Claudecode (31:17) - What Is Model Context Protocol (MCP)? (34:14) - Data Cleanliness, Security, & AI Governance Best Practices (37:20) - Counter Program: "Holidays on Holiday" Defunct Holiday Trivia (47:58) - Outro & "Songs About Going on Trips" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared starts off by heavily criticizing the toxicity of John Morgan's employee surveillance policies at Morgan & Morgan. Next, Andrea Cannavina joins us to explain how the push-pull mechanics of early mobile tech shaped modern digital addiction.  Andrea advises lawyers to thoroughly read software Terms of Service to avoid becoming the product, breaks down why AI output degrades over time, and shares her triad of office processes (DAFT, Control Journal, and Uncalendaring) to tame email and protect mental capacity. She also previews her unique, live-streaming, screen-free podcast, From Paper to Portals. Learn more about Andrea Cannavina.Subscribe to Andrea's new podcast From Paper to Portals.Check out our latest Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Law Firm Spy Games & Morgan & Morgan's Remote Work Surveillance (07:07) - Interview: Meet Andrea Cannavina, "The Law Firm Therapist" (08:08) - The 2007 Tech Landscape: Palm Pilots, WebOS, & Push vs. Pull Technology (11:38) - Digital Disconnect Days & The Addiction of Modern Smartphones (14:22) - Cloud Computing, Private Equity, & Reading Your Tech Terms of Service (23:27) - The Reality of AI: Why ChatGPT Degrades and the Truth About Tokens (27:57) - Becoming the Law Firm Therapist: Why Attorneys Need Process Consulting (32:42) - How Email "Push" Tech Destroyed Work-Life Boundaries for Lawyers & Staff (36:43) - The 3-Step Process: DAFT, Control Journals, & Uncalendaring (39:05) - Announcing the "From Paper to Portals" Screen-Free Podcast (40:40) - Counter Program: Regional Slang ("StuffLong Islanders Say") (42:30) - "Chopped Meat," "Waiting Online," & The First US Supermarket (50:47) - Up Island vs. Down Island & The Economics of Long Island (54:24) - The "Bag Speck" Deli Order & The Secret to NY Bagels (56:26) - Outro & "Boomers (Songs About Explosions)" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia opens with an in-depth retrospective on the legendary Marvin Gaye. He traces Gaye's multi-faceted career from his early days as an aspiring jazz crooner and Motown hitmaker to his iconic duet era with Tammi Terrell, his groundbreaking protest album What's Going On, his sexy late-period reinventions, and his tragic death.  In the interview, Author and True Worth Expert Vanessa Ugatti joins host Jared Correia to explore the psychology behind lawyers’ fee conversations and client boundaries and how self-worth affects what they charge, the boundaries they set, and ultimately the revenue they generate. Then it's time for the Counter Program with "The Internet Pricing Cavalcade of Fun and Danger," where Vanessa guesses prices for absurd online products ranging from a James Bond Florida mansion to dinosaur chicken nugget throw pillows. Learn more about Vanessa Ugatti.Check out her book.Listen to this episode's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: The Life, Art, and Legacy of Marvin Gaye (Part 1: Jazz Singer) (06:32) - Motown Hits, Songwriting, & Hitsville USA (09:20) - The Duets Era & Tammi Terrell's Tragic Story (14:33) - What’s Going On: The Birth of a Protest Album (19:26) - Let’s Get It On, Sexual Healing, & Late Career (21:33) - Personal Struggles, Tragic Death, & Reprise (25:43) - Interview: Meet Legal Pricing Expert Vanessa Ugatti (28:32) - Mindset & Self-Worth: The Psychology Behind Fees (33:46) - The True Worth Formula & Eliminating "PITA" Clients (46:45) - Setting Client Boundaries & Charging Premium Rates (52:58) - Fee Adjustments, Inflation, & How to Get Paid Your True Worth (56:26) - Counter Program: "The Internet Pricing Cavalcade of Fun and Danger" (01:09:01) - Outro & "Marvin Gaye Favorites" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia opens with a strategic breakdown of why managing attorneys must practice at the top of their law license. He details a three-tier task delegation framework—Administrative, Low-Level Substantive, and High-Level Substantive—explaining how structured workflows and non-attorney incentive systems maximize revenue and employee satisfaction.  For the interview, Case Compass CEO Joey Organisciak reflects on his career, spanning Apple during the launch of the iPad, composing marching band music, and scaling MedTech startups. Joey explains why legal intake is an underserved discipline in practice management, how Case Compass focuses exclusively on pure intake and landlord-tenant automation, and why he views current AI valuations as an overinflated bubble.  We wrap it up with the Counter Program, where Joey spins "The Wheel of Justice." Click here to learn more about Joey Organisciak and Case Compass. Check out this episode's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Practicing at the Top of Your Law License (02:38) - The 3 Tiers of Law Firm Tasks & Workflow Delegation (07:05) - HR, C-Suite Staffing, & Non-Attorney Incentive Structures (09:35) - Interview: Meet Joey Organisciak, CEO of Case Compass (10:33) - Working at Apple (2008–2013) & The Launch of the iPad (13:31) - Music Composition, Computer Science, & Marching Band Scoring (17:24) - Transitioning into MedTech, Telehealth, & Digital Health Startups (25:40) - Co-Founding Sandbox Union & Knowledge-Sharing Leadership Lessons (29:53) - What Case Compass Does: Pure Intake OS & Landlord-Tenant Tech (35:47) - Overinflated AI Valuations, Compute Costs, & Legal Tech Hype (45:08) - Counter Program: "The Wheel of Justice" Trivia & Random Q&A (58:05) - Outro & "Alliterative Songs" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia opens with a nostalgic look back at network television, the loss of TV monoculture, and NBC's forgotten 2012 high-concept drama Awake starring Jason Isaacs.  In the guest interview, Phil Rozek, CEO of Local Visibility System, breaks down the fundamentals of local search for law firms and location-bound businesses. Phil discusses how attorneys should adapt to Google AI Overviews, why foundational local SEO strategy remains unkillable, the ROI of YouTube long-form content vs. traditional social platforms, and the crucial trade-offs between hiring an industry-specialist versus a generalist SEO vendor.  We close out in the Counter Program with "Fill-Ins," a retro TV trivia game testing Phil on famous sitcom recasting decisions across classics like The Dukes of Hazzard, Bewitched, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, and Roseanne. Learn more about Phil Rozek and the Local Visibility System.Check out our latest Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Sitcoms, the Death of Monoculture, & Awake (2012) (01:12) - The Evolution of TV: Live Broadcasts, VCRs, & Sitcom Golden Age (05:32) - Prestige TV, Network Dramas, & NBC’s Forgotten Drama Awake (10:55) - Interview: Meet Phil Rozek, CEO of Local Visibility System (11:54) - What Is Local Search & Why It Matters for Law Firms (16:54) - Google AI Overviews, Search Trends, & Adapting Your SEO (23:17) - Systematizing SEO: One-Time Setup vs. Ongoing Maintenance (27:14) - YouTube vs. Social Media for Legal Marketing & Local Visibility (34:49) - Reddit, Quora, and the Degradation of Answer Engine SEO (39:35) - How Lawyers Should Choose an SEO Vendor (Specialist vs. Omnivore) (44:13) - Counter Program: "Fill-Ins" Sitcom Recasting Trivia (57:08) - Outro & "Sitcom Theme Songs" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia opens by explaining how managing attorneys can easily build internal professional development and training hubs using existing cloud drives, CLE archives, and mentorship structures to improve lawyer retention. In the interview, RPC Strategies CEO Melissa Rogozinski joins Jared to discuss her work helping operationalize an edge data center startup designed to power the future of AI. She dives deep into her memoir, Becoming Phoenix: A Fiery Memoir, reflecting on her survival of a public sexual assault by a lawyer, holding perpetrators accountable, and speaking out against toxic dynamics in the legal industry. Melissa also details how she launched the viral ESI Round Table eDiscovery education series, expanding it to nine cities and over 300 programs. In the Counter Program, we play a round of "Autobiographical," a memoir-themed trivia game where Melissa achieves the show's first-ever perfect score. Learn more about Rogo and RPC Strategies.Buy Rogo's new book Becoming Phoenix: A Fiery Memoir.And listen to this week's Spotify Playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Building In-House Professional Development Programs (03:19) - Sourcing Templates, CLE Archives, and Setting Up Mentorship Hubs (07:16) - Interview: Meet Melissa Rogozinski, CEO of RPC Strategies (09:47) - "Lawyers in Pompeii" & Building AI Edge Data Center Infrastructure (14:08) - Becoming Phoenix: Writing an Unfiltered Memoir After Epic Crises (26:50) - Facing Trauma, Accountability, and Speaking Out in the Legal Industry (37:05) - Navigating Gender Dynamics and Insecurity in Business Settings (40:37) - Sourcing the ESI Round Table & Scaling to 300+ eDiscovery Programs (48:27) - Counter Program: "Autobiographical" Memoir Trivia (01:04:08) - Outro & "Biographical Songs" Spotify Playlist

Off-the-shelf, cookie-cutter workflows fail modern law practices. Jared breaks down how managing partners must channel their experience to draft bespoke standard operating procedures (SOPs) tailored to their specific firm culture and client intake before locking them into legal management software. In the guest interview, Jared sits down with Russell Matson, former criminal defense attorney turned marketing and local SEO consultant. Russell discusses how artificial intelligence platforms like Claude, ChatGPT, and Gemini are reshaping online visibility for lawyers. He shares strategies for criminal defense practice, including hyper-specific niche targeting (like old warrants and leaving the scene of an accident), collecting authentic Google reviews, and setting up simple, voice-driven AI stacks for maximum efficiency. Russell also reflects on his shift from courtroom litigation to entrepreneurship, poker, and traveling New England.  The episode concludes in the Counter Program with a look into Russell’s past as a fire-eating punk band frontman ("High Stepping Seafood"), followed by "The Norm Macdonald Hour"—a trivia gauntlet covering the late comedian’s iconic career. Learn more about Russell.Check out our latest Spotify Playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Why Law Firms Need Bespoke Workflows & SOPs (03:06) - Overcoming Cookie-Cutter Processes and Implementing Legal Tech (05:38) - Interview: Meet Russell Matson, Criminal Defense Marketing Consultant (09:22) - Niche Marketing Across New England's Criminal District Courts (14:12) - "Criminal Defense Marketing Using AI" & Navigating LLM Search Engines (19:25) - Distinct Quirks of Criminal Defense: Court Appointments & In-Person Presence (23:29) - Leveraging Hyper-Specific Niches & Old Warrant Search Strategies (29:42) - Launching a Law Practice in 2026: Google Reviews & Simple AI Stacks (36:13) - Transitioning from Trial Lawyer to Entrepreneurship, Poker, & Freedom (40:24) - Counter Program: Punk Bands, Juggling, and "The Norm Macdonald Hour" Trivia (58:22) - Outro & "Russells and/or Norms" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia kicks off this episode with a deep dive into internet-famous animals, tracing viral legends from Jimothy the short-spined Seattle raccoon and Punch the macaque to Moo Deng, Shoebert the Beverly harbor seal, and Tillman the skateboarding dog. In the interview segment, Jared speaks with Adam Hersh, founder and principal of Blue Chip Law. Adam shares how his early experience in-house at a biotech company shaped his business-first legal mindset, explaining why lawyers should facilitate deals rather than act as roadblocks. The conversation turns to "crisis litigation," where Adam details how attorneys must balance traditional courtroom strategy with the court of public opinion. He also argues that the federal diversity jurisdiction threshold of $75,000—which hasn't been updated since 1996—is severely outdated, proposing higher jurisdictional limits and early damage estimates to streamline litigation. Finally, Adam breaks down how Florida's statutory non-binding arbitration can drastically cut costs for mid-tier business disputes. We wrap it up with a hilarious game of "What Would Florida Man Do?", testing Adam on absurd real-life crime stories involving scuba-diving burglars, Smokey the Bear sign thieves, and gerbils in leopard-print onesies. Learn more about Adam and Blue Chip Law.Check out this episode's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Viral Internet Animals & Jimothy the Seattle Raccoon (08:43) - Interview: Meet Adam Hersh of Blue Chip Law (14:05) - Business-First Mindset: Moving from In-House Biotech to Private Practice (23:01) - Navigating Crisis Litigation & Courts of Public Opinion (32:19) - Why the $75K Federal Diversity Jurisdiction Threshold is Broken (38:23) - Requiring Early Proof of Damages in High-Stakes Cases (41:49) - Leveraging Statutory Non-Binding Arbitration to Cut Litigation Costs (46:42) - Counter Program: "What Would Florida Man Do?" Trivia Game (59:11) - Outro and Animal-Themed Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Is generic AI content ruining law firm marketing? Host Jared Correia opens with a breakdown of how busy attorneys can leverage outside vendors while creating authentic, lawyer-forward content across niche channels without blowing up their billable hour targets. Jared lays out a practical framework for carving out focused marketing time blocks, maintaining high efficiency, and avoiding "AI slop." Then, Lexicon Legal Content Founder & CEO David Arato joins the show to discuss the evolving landscape of Search Engine Optimization (SEO), Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), and Google AI Overviews. David breaks down why "zero effort content has zero value", how search algorithms evaluate legal content under YMYL (Your Money Your Life) and EEAT (Experience, Expertise, Authority, Trust) standards, and why modern AI visibility relies heavily on third-party PR mentions rather than traditional technical hacks. He also details Lexicon's strategic B2B pivot from white-label agency work to direct law firm partnerships. The episode finishes with a round of the Counter Program, where David tests his regional knowledge in "Shit Coloradans Say"—decoding terms like "flannel blind," "Blucifer," "Trustafarians," and the culinary reality of Rocky Mountain oysters. Learn more about David and Lexicon Legal Content.Check out this episode's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Authentic Marketing & Content Strategies for Busy Lawyers (02:12) - 3 Steps to Specialize, Schedule, and Scale Law Firm Marketing (07:34) - Interview: Meet David Arato, Founder of Lexicon Legal Content (10:05) - Overcoming AI Panic & Why "Zero Effort Content Has Zero Value" (16:52) - Decoding Google's EEAT, YMYL, and Avoiding Scaled Content Penalties (22:22) - Information Gain, AEO, and Ranking in AI Overviews (25:19) - Omnichannel Marketing: Turning Legal Blogs into Social Video Shorts (28:37) - Backlinks vs. Brand Mentions: Why AI Visibility Looks Like PR (33:19) - Lexicon 2.0: Pivoting from White-Label B2B to Direct Law Firm Partnering (36:51) - Counter Program: "Shit Coloradans Say" Trivia & Mountain Slang (48:13) - Outro and "Find Your Mountains" Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Jared Correia kicks off the episode with a deep-dive track analysis of Boston's legendary 1976 self-titled debut album. Jared explores how multi-instrumentalist Tom Scholz spent nearly a decade in his Watertown, Massachusetts basement meticulously engineering a multi-platinum, pop-rock masterpiece without label interference. From the progressive organ riffs of "Foreplay/Long Time" to the classic rock hooks of "Peace of Mind" and "More Than a Feeling," Jared breaks down why this 40-minute record remains one of the greatest debut albums in music history.  In the guest segment, Jared sits down with Kurt London, managing partner of London Harker Injury Law. Kurt shares his wild origin story, explaining how a severe motorcycle crash at age 25—and a terrible experience dealing with insurance adjusters without an attorney—inspired him to dedicate his life to personal injury law. Kurt provides actionable insights on starting a personal injury firm, mapping out 6-to-12-month capital runways, finding the right business partner, and navigating Utah’s evolving legal tech landscape and sunsetting regulatory sandbox. Learn more about Kurt London and London Harker Injury Law.Check out this week's Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Perfect Albums Recap and Introducing Boston's 1976 Debut (04:31) - Tom Scholz, MIT Engineering, and Recording in a Watertown Basement (08:38) - Track Breakdown: Foreplay/Long Time, Let Me Take You Home Tonight & Smokin' (16:20) - Analyzing "More Than a Feeling," "Peace of Mind," and "Something About You" (23:00) - Interview: Meet Kurt London of London Harker Injury Law (28:08) - Selecting the Best Legal Conferences and Pitch-Slap Traps (30:26) - Kurt's Motorcycle Crash Origin Story and Why He Built an Injury Firm (37:15) - Navigating Utah's Legal Scene, Silicon Slopes, and the Sunsetting ABS Sandbox (39:46) - How to Launch a Personal Injury Practice and Build a 12-Month Runway (46:40) - Vetting AI Demand Letters and Environmental Impacts in Utah (50:41) - Counter Program: The Rock Shrine and "The Rock Trivia" Gauntlet (01:01:44) - Outro and Dunkin-Inspired Boston Rock Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Is AI giant Harvey making a genius play or risking a catastrophic, public collapse? Host Jared Correia dissects the company’s high-stakes gamble to build its own frontier AI model to break free from outside vendors and control its own training data. Then, Chief Bar Counsel Suzanne Thompson steps into the studio to strip the fear away from bar grievances. From the strict rules governing non-refundable fees and bartering legal work to managing automated tech supervision and executing honest mistake remediation, Suzanne provides a clear roadmap for professional compliance. Stick around for the Counter Program to see if an outsider can decode authentic Maine slang. Learn more about Suzanne Thompson.Check out our latest Spotify playlist. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: The 1950 Movie "Harvey" and Legal Tech AI Valuations (02:03) - Deconstructing Harvey's OpenAI Reliance and the Frontier LLM Bet (04:04) - Controlling Training Data and the Innovation Lag in Legal Software (07:14) - Interview: Meet Suzanne Thompson of the Maine Board of Overseers (08:57) - The Mechanics of Self-Regulation, Burnout, and Alternative Discipline (13:14) - Trust Accounting, IOLTA Funds, and Insufficient Fund Notifications (14:51) - Transitioning from Shakespeare Scholar to Family Law Practice (21:01) - The Thorny Ethics of Non-Refundable Retainers and Reasonableness Rules (25:07) - Bartering Legal Work: Trading Contracts for Goats and Valuing Input (28:36) - AI Ethics: Disclaimers, Duty to Prospective Clients, and Supervision (33:02) - Why the Core Ethics Rules Adequately Handle Modern Artificial Intelligence (35:36) - The Power of Remediation: How to Properly Respond to a Bar Grievance (39:03) - Counter Program: "Shit Real Mainers Say" Trivia Gauntlet (47:41) - Unpacking "From Away" Status, Maine Maple Sunday, and Oyster Festivals (51:26) - Outro: "Main Event" Spotify Playlist and Harvey Outtakes Click here to view the episode transcript.

In this special episode, host Jared Correia partners with MCLE New England to decode the exact strategy lawyers need to deploy to secure high-visibility speaking engagements, build domain authority, and generate massive referral networks. Bruce Richard, Director at MCLE New England, breaks down the inner workings of CLE selection, revealing that his organization coordinates over 360 programs annually and is constantly hunting for fresh educational curriculum and proactive legal voices. Bruce shares his direct access channel for any attorney ready to pitch a program topic. Stepping up to the microphone, an elite panel of veteran presenters share their diverse shortcuts and real-world execution strategies for commanding the legal stage: Victoria Santoro (Santoro & Gray) reflects on the brutal workload of balancing a new law firm launch with serving as the immediate past President of the Massachusetts Bar Association. She reveals how her early marketing blog, "The Limber Lawyer," built an authentic brand identity, and emphasizes that joining volunteer bar section councils is the fastest track to getting noticed by major CLE decision-makers.Pete Jamieson (Hastings, Jamieson Lipschutz Family Law Group) charts his unique path from a mailroom clerk to managing highly technical marital asset division and tax algorithms. Pete explains how his background in the performing arts shaped his courtroom delivery and details why attorneys must ditch text-heavy slide decks in favor of high-energy pacing, unique handouts, and well-placed engagement tools like GIFs.Gabriel Cheong (Infinity Law Group) shares how he scaled his practice by transitioning fully to fixed-fee divorce litigation models and developing proprietary guideline apps for family court judges. Gabriel provides a brilliant masterclass in speaker positioning, explaining how he cornered the legal market early by establishing himself as an expert in tech-adjacent business frameworks rather than competing in crowded substantive fields.Jennifer Mikels (Goulston & Storrs) pulls back the curtain on her high-stakes trial practice defending fellow lawyers in professional liability, ethics, and partnership conflicts. Jen shares a vital warning regarding a recent business litigation court ruling that denied a lawyer entry on a pro hac vice basis due to unvetted AI hallucinations. She outlines how to systematically collaborate with internal advisory committees to seamlessly refresh recurring CLE topics.The episode ends with a showdown in the Counter Program as Tori Santoro and Bruce Richard square off for a round of "How Broke Am I?". Interested in finding a speaking opportunity?  Reach out to MCLE New England, your local bar or local CLE organization. Check out our Spotify playlist for this episode. We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Partnering with MCLE New England to Land Legal Speaking Gigs (01:29) - Bruce Richard on Coordinating 360 Annual Programs and Pitching CLE Ideas (02:43) - Quebec Nordiques Hockey Logos and Powder Blue Jerseys (04:30) - Victoria Santoro on Bar Association Leadership and "The Limber Lawyer" Blog (11:07) - Utilizing Volunteer Organizations as a Springboard for Referral Networks (16:40) - Pete Jamieson on Transitioning From Mailroom Clerk to Complex Asset Math (21:35) - Ditching Boring PowerPoints and Injecting Personality into CLE Presentations (28:53) - Old Old-Fashioned Drink Mixology and Silicone Cube Trays (31:54) - Gabriel Cheong on Acquiring Practices and Transitioning to Fixed-Fee Litigation (35:48) - Building Child Support Apps and Dominating Tech-Adjacent Speaking Niches (46:44) - Jennifer Mikels on Legal Malpractice Defense and the "ER of Law" (48:13) - Breaking Down AI Hallucination Punishments and Court Entry Denials (52:04) - Collaborating with MCLE Advisory Committees to Get in the Speaker Rolodex (01:01:08) - Counter Program: Tori Santoro vs. Bruce Richard on "How Broke Am I?" (01:18:12) - Outro, Grillos Pickles, and the All-Bands Spotify Playlist Click here to view the episode transcript.

Beau Atkins, CEO of Evolve Family Law, joins the program to share how his firm is completely disrupting the Canadian legal ecosystem from the province of Saskatchewan. Putting himself through law school working as a construction tile setter, Beau realized that the trade philosophy of quoting an exact price up front for a project was directly applicable to legal services. He details how his practice operates entirely on customized flat fees—even for highly volatile litigation—by quoting incrementally as far as the firm can see and transparently managing out-of-scope adjustments. Furthermore, Beau pulls back the curtain on how he captures the massive 80% legal latent market, why traditional firms charging standard billable hours for immediate AI workflows are bordering on fraud, and how his new AI virtual reception platform systematically eliminates inbound interruptions to preserve an attorney's peak flow state. The Calzone Flight Crisis — Jared recounts the grueling structural failure of his digestive system after eating heavy dairy before boarding a cross-country flight.The Tile-Setting Pricing Model — Beau breaks down why selling certainty and peace of mind means abandoning the billable hour in favor of predictable, upfront project pricing.The Canadian Sandbox Advantage — How small-scale regulatory settings and regional mobility agreements allow midwestern Canadian firms to experiment heavily with alternative frameworks and document workflows.Protecting the Dome of Concentration — The empirical data behind why every minor phone interruption costs an associate 22 minutes of productivity and how automation seals that drain.The Wheel of Justice Canada Edition — A chaotic trivia gauntlet diving into Drake vs. Kendrick, strategic maple syrup reserves, regional anomalies in Alberta, and the culinary science of ketchup chips.Click here to learn more about Evolve Law.And take a listen to this week's Spotify playlist. Click here to watch a video of this episode. Follow more shows on Legal Broadcasting Company. And be sure to follow on AppleSpotify.Jared's LinkedIn We're grateful to be supported by Attorney at Work Today, and Lawyer 2 Lawyer. Subscribe to Attorney at Work Today.Subscribe to Lawyer 2 Lawyer. (00:00) - Monologue: Travels with Jared and the 2002 Las Vegas Travel Log (01:44) - Southwest Airlines Seating and a Harrowing Calzone Flight Disaster (04:15) - The 2002 San Diego World Cup and Fenton Marketplace Mark Twain Statue (06:01) - Qualcomm Stadium Baseball Memories and the Drive to Vegas (08:37) - New York, New York Rollercoasters and the Spearmint Rhino Trip (12:05) - Kaleidoscope Conference and Meet Beau Atkins of Evolve Family Law (15:29) - Saskatchewan Regulatory Sandboxes and Signing the Historical Book (20:48) - Transitioning from Law School Tile Setter to Entrepreneurial Lawyer (24:19) - The Tile-Setting Philosophy: Bringing Flat Fee Certainty to Family Law (32:11) - Building Canada's First National Family Law Practice via Mobility Rules (33:41) - Capturing the 80% Latent Legal Market and the Reality of AI Billing Fraud (37:26) - Finding Family Law Associates and Segmenting Firm Production Roles (41:43) - Simone Agentic: Building an AI Virtual Receptionist to Protect the Flow State (44:57) - Escaping the Legal Tech Price Gouge and Managing a Firm Inside Claude (46:58) - Counter Program: Wheel of Justice Canada Edition Trivia Game (01:02:34) - Outro and the Viva Las Vegas Spotify Playlist Outtake Click here to view the episode transcript.