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Before Episode 081
2026/09/08
Dear Terrible Friends,
This episode is going to be a little different. I wanted to let you know that I'm going to be taking a little bit of a break for a bit.
I’m actually about to leave (in a few days) for a three-week trip with my daughter. We’re going to bounce around the East Coast a little bit. Spending some time around the mountains of Virginia, then DC, then Philly, NYC, Boston then into the sticks of New England. By the way, if you’re in those areas, and want to grab coffee or a beer, let me know. I can try to make it work. I would love to meet some people.
But yeah, I’m going to take some pictures actually. I’m bringing my camera, with one 35mm lens and make some stuff and to document our trip obviously. And beyond that, I’m going to catch up on some reading. I’m going to think a lot. I’m probably going to write some things down that turn out to be completely stupid and irrelevant later.
And rather than frantically making a bunch of episodes before I leave so there’s something sitting in your podcast feed, I’m just… not going to do that.
But really though, I’m going to start figuring out what the next version of The Terrible Creative looks like.
I don’t know exactly what that is yet. And I actually think that’s a good thing.
I’m not announcing a new season. I’m not making some grand promise about what happens next. I don’t even know exactly when I’ll be back. I just know that after 80 episodes, I want episode 81 to feel like we’re going somewhere.
But before I go, I really do want to say thank you.
There are some of you who have been listening to this weird little project since the beginning. That was April of 2025.
Some of you listen every week. You’ve sent me emails. You’ve shared episodes with people. You’ve bought the book. Some of you have even supported this show with your own hard-earned money.
And I don’t take any of that lightly.
The fact that I can make something like this, put it out into the world, and there are actual people on the other side who choose to spend part of their day listening to me is still kind of incredible to me.
So to everybody who has listened to any of these first 80 episodes, and especially those of you who have stuck around through all the different versions of this thing…
Thank you.
Follow me at the links below. Email me, DM me and check in. I would love to hear from you.
So until...I come back with Episode 81, I will see you later, whenever later is.
Patrick
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Worth - Why Great Photographers Get $600 Clients
2026/09/01
Episode 80 — Worth
Photographers love telling each other to “know your worth.”
Okay. What’s mine?
One client trusts you with a production worth tens of thousands of dollars. Another pays you a few hundred bucks and tells you that you didn’t do a very good job.
Same photographer. Same experience. Same eye.
In this episode, I’m trying to figure out what those numbers actually mean. We talk about day rates, lowball inquiries, why better photography isn’t always more valuable to the person buying it, and what happens when we take economic information from the market and turn it into a judgment about our work—or ourselves.
Because maybe the estimate tells us something useful about the business.
But I’m not sure our worth has any business being on it.
Featured clip: Moneyball — used in Act Three as we get into how markets assign value, what they measure, and what they sometimes miss.
Handshake music: Instrumental version of “Take On Me” — a small nod to entering the 80s.
Episode artwork: Photograph by César Rincón.
Resources
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Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
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Photography - The Voice - What Do You Actually Want To Make? - Part Three
2026/08/25
You can buy the camera. You can learn the lighting. You can spend years mastering the technical side of photography until the camera finally gets out of the way.
Then comes the harder question: What do you actually want to photograph?
In the final episode of Photography: Gear, Craft & Voice, I’m talking about what happens when technical competence is no longer the problem—and you’re left alone with your own ideas, or the uncomfortable lack of them.
We’ll talk about creative avoidance, why inspiration so easily turns into imitation, the strange difficulty of making work nobody asked for, and why your voice may have less to do with developing a “style” than paying attention to the things you can’t stop thinking about.
Because eventually, the question stops being whether you know how to make the photograph.
It becomes: What do you actually care about?
Resources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
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Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
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Photography - The Gear, The Craft, and The Voice - Part Two
2026/08/18
There is a quiet, infuriating moment every creator faces: looking at the LCD screen and realizing the image in front of you isn't even in the same conversation as the one living in your head.
In Part Two of our series on Gear, Craft & Voice, Patrick Fore breaks down what it actually takes to close the gap between imagination and execution. From late-night isolation sessions trying to light reflective acoustic guitars to nearly blowing a high-stakes commercial architecture shoot by blindly following an online tutorial, this episode explores the unglamorous reality of building instinct.
We look at why repetition without an audit is useless, how recipes differ from underlying principles, and the dangerous trap waiting for you at the top of technical execution.Key Takeaways
The Comparison Ritual: How placing your raw work side-by-side with a target image strips away ego and isolates the only question that matters: "What's different?"The Audit Over Mindless Reps: Putting in "ten thousand hours" doesn't teach you anything if you aren't changing one variable at a time and auditing the result.Practice Without an Institutional Studio: You don't need five-figure gear or a commercial space to learn light. A kitchen mug, a single desk lamp, and a piece of foam board obey the exact same laws of physics.Recipes vs. Principles: Recipes sell certainty by encoding someone else’s controlled environment. Principles give you the framework to solve unfamiliar problems under live client pressure.The Dark Side of Craft: Technical capacity answers how, but it never touches why. Flawless execution can easily become a comfortable, expensive hiding place.Resources
The Book Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
Support the Show terriblephotographer.com/support
Stay Connected Subscribe to Pub Notes (the newsletter)
The Terrible Creative on Instagram
Patrick Fore on Instagram
Email Me (Patrick Fore)
Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
Stuck on your website, portfolio, pricing, marketing, or business strategy?
Office Hours is a one-on-one, 60-ish minute conversation to help you work through whatever you’re trying to figure out. No agenda. No curriculum. No pitch. Just honest feedback, thoughtful questions, and a fresh perspective.
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Photography - The Gear, The Craft, and The Voice - Part One
2026/08/11
Photography: The Gear, The Craft & The Voice — Part One
Every photographer inherits a definition of good before they've earned one. This episode is about where that definition actually comes from, why gear ends up being the evidence of it, and why the real question was never which camera to buy.
Patrick walks through camera store tribalism, the teachers nobody asks to have (YouTubers, algorithms, magazines, the guy at the counter), a British portrait photographer who rewired how he thought about images during a COVID-era Clubhouse call, a viral coffee photo he's since made peace with, and why he was wrong to blame Canon for any of it. First of a three-part series on gear, craft, and voice.
In this episode:
The quiet neurosis of buying a new camera, and the specific lie it tells youWhy brand loyalty (Canon vs. Sony vs. Fuji vs. Leica) is never really about the gearThe trend history nobody wants to own: shallow depth of field, HDR, orange and teal, drone reveals, LUTs, AI skinTom Hoops and the conversations that happened on Clubhouse during lockdownA photo Patrick made that went semi-viral, and what he now understands about whyWhy "gear doesn't matter" and "gear matters" are both the wrong questionWhat actually changed his relationship to his own cameras, four to five years in the makingMentioned in this episode:
Tom Hoops, portrait photographer — tomhoops.com / @tomhoops on InstagramPeter McKinnon — YouTubeCasey Neistat — YouTubeJared Polin (FroKnowsPhoto) — YouTubeResources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
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Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
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Creep - You don't need a harder no. You need a better sentence.
2026/08/04
A client says "we love these." Then they ask for more images, for the same money, and call it a collaboration. This episode is about what that word is actually doing to you, why the moment feels impossible to say no to, and why the fix was never confidence. It was having the sentence ready before you needed it.
In this episode
Patrick breaks down the psychology behind scope creep and the "collaboration" ask, drawing on Dan Ariely's market norms vs. social norms, the classic foot-in-the-door effect, and a scene from The Negotiator that changed how he thinks about saying no. Along the way: four types of clients who are all testing the same thing without knowing it, why a rigid system is actually what makes generosity possible, and why bringing up your contract after the shoot has already happened means something already went wrong.
The three lines to save
These are built to do the same three things every time: validate the ask, protect the scope, offer a real next step. Swap in your own numbers and your own voice, the shape is what matters, not the exact wording.
At the proposal, before anything's shot:
"We'll lock down these five hero shots. If we spot extra opportunities on the day, I'm happy to grab them, we'll just treat those as separate add-ons so it doesn't mess with today's scope."On set, when the ask shows up live:
"Love that shot idea. Let's finish our main list first so we hit our schedule, and then I'll pull together a quick add-on price for the extras before we wrap."After delivery, when the compliment arrives with a bigger ask behind it:
"I'm so glad the set landed. If you want to expand delivery to twenty images, I can open up the rest of the gallery for an extra [your rate]."Is it a real collaboration? The three-part test
Before you say yes to a trade instead of a fee, check for all three:
Named upfront. Offered before the work happens, not as a consolation after the client can't hit their own number.Specific. Which posts, tagged how, to how many actual followers, not "some exposure."Reciprocal. Both sides chose it on purpose, not one side discovering it after delivery.If it shows up after the invoice as a replacement for the invoice, it's not a trade. It's the same ask wearing a nicer word.
Referenced in this episode
Dan Ariely, Predictably Irrational (market norms vs. social norms)Freedman & Fraser, 1966, the original foot-in-the-door compliance studyThe Negotiator (1998), starring Samuel L. Jackson and Kevin Spacey, "never say no to a hostage-taker" scene. Resources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
Support the Show terriblephotographer.com/support
Stay Connected Subscribe to Pub Notes (the newsletter)
The Terrible Creative on Instagram
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Email Me (Patrick Fore)
Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
Stuck on your website, portfolio, pricing, marketing, or business strategy?
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The Audit Part II - The Soul of the C-Stand - What does competence actually look like?
2026/07/28
A lot of photographers assume it’s your portfolio. Your lighting. Your gear. Maybe your day rate.
I’m not so sure anymore.
A few weeks ago I spent three and a half days photographing hardware products in a twelve-by-fifteen room. White seamless. Capture One. Cardboard boxes. SKU spreadsheets. The kind of commercial job nobody posts on Instagram because it isn’t glamorous enough to be interesting.
On the drive home after the third day, I got rear-ended sitting on the on-ramp of Interstate 15.
The next morning I still had one day left to shoot, but my back had other plans.
That experience forced me to rethink something I’ve been saying for years about professionalism, leadership, pricing, and what clients are actually paying us for.
This episode is the follow-up to Episode 56, The Audit. That episode asked whether our work was replaceable. This one asks a different question:
Are we?
Along the way we talk about Photo Jail, why I strangely love my Canon AC adapter, the hidden physical labor of commercial photography, why leadership begins with understanding the jobs you’re asking other people to do, and why the best commercial photographers don’t just know how to make photographs—they know how to make sure the job survives when reality inevitably gets in the way.
I also share why I think most photographers have a distorted view of this industry, what a nine-thousand-dollar commercial assignment actually looks like once the math is finished, and why I still think there’s something valuable about loading C-stands into the back of a Subaru before sunrise.
Sometimes the most important lessons in photography aren’t learned behind the camera.
Sometimes they’re learned in the parking lot after the shoot is over.
In this episode
Why I started calling one commercial assignment “Photo Jail”The hidden, unglamorous side of professional photographyGetting rear-ended during production week—and finishing the job anywayWhy leadership starts with understanding the work yourselfThe difference between being a boss and being someone your crew trustsWhy I think professionalism is really about building marginWhat a commercial photography budget actually looks like after the expensesWhy small commercial jobs deserve more respect than they getThe real meaning behind The Soul of the C-StandMentioned in this episode
Episode 56 — The AuditThe Bear (FX), Season 2 – Garrett and Richie polishing forksCapture OneCanon EOS R5Resources
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Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
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Good Faith - The Small Decisions That Destroy Photography Careers
2026/07/21
Every creative career begins with an invisible handshake.
Before the photographs exist, before the campaign launches, before the work is delivered, someone decides to trust you.
In this episode, Patrick explores what happens when that trust is broken, beginning with North Carolina Attorney General Jeff Jackson’s May 2026 press conference announcing the state’s lawsuit against Holly Christina Photography, a wedding photography company accused of defrauding more than 200 couples out of nearly $1 million through overbooking, undelivered work, and broken promises. Audio clips from that press conference are used throughout the episode.
From there, the conversation becomes much more personal.
Patrick shares the story of an early freelance assignment he never should have accepted, and how one difficult phone call in a 7-Eleven parking lot changed the way he thinks about professionalism forever.
Because professionalism isn’t about never making mistakes.
It’s about telling the truth before someone has to chase you for it.
Key idea: Good faith isn’t believing nothing will go wrong. It’s the promise that when it does, you’ll remain reachable.
Resources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book
Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
Support the Show
terriblephotographer.com/support
Stay Connected
Subscribe to Pub Notes (the newsletter)
The Terrible Creative on Instagram
Patrick Fore on Instagram
Email Me (Patrick Fore)
Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
Stuck on your website, portfolio, pricing, marketing, or business strategy?
Office Hours is a one-on-one, 60-ish minute conversation to help you work through whatever you’re trying to figure out. No agenda. No curriculum. No pitch. Just honest feedback, thoughtful questions, and a fresh perspective.
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The Imposter Filter - What If Confidence Was Never the Requirement For Success?
2026/07/14
Have you ever sat in a high-stakes room, looked around at the expensive titles and corporate validation, and quietly wondered when the actual adults were going to arrive to take over?
Eventually, you realize they aren't coming. Everyone is waiting on everyone else.
In this episode, Patrick Fore breaks down the messy, internal reality of managing high-stakes commercial sets when self-doubt is screaming in your ear. From a midnight operational collapse in a mildew-ridden Chicago elementary school to the quiet realization that authority isn't announced—it’s just transferred—we look at why the room doesn't actually need your internal confidence. It just needs your presence.
Audio Clip
Mark Watney (The Martian): "You just begin. You do the math. You solve one problem. Then you solve the next one, and the next. And if you solve enough problems, you get to come home."What We Cover in This Episode:
The Silent Room Rotation: What happens when an agency producer panics, an interpreter doesn't show up, and a room full of people quietly decides you are the grown-up in charge.What Clients Actually Buy: Why a commercial day-rate isn't an invoice for an f-stop or a camera body—it’s a premium insurance policy to absorb chaos and shield the client's timeline.The Insecurity Tyrant: How to spot the director who treats authority like a volume knob, and why micromanaging your crew forces them to let you fail.Borrowing Nervous Systems: The psychological power of co-regulation on a stressful set. Why clients don't hire cocky geniuses; they hire stable anchors.The Universal Shift: Why the Impostor Filter isn't a photography problem. How teachers, parents, and business owners all navigate the exact moment responsibility arrives long before certainty does.Deep-Dive References
The Impostor Phenomenon (1978): Shifting the perspective on the foundational study by psychologists Pauline Clance and Suzanne Imes, and exploring why the people who feel like frauds are often the least fraudulent minds in the room.Resources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book
Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
Support the Show
terriblephotographer.com/support
Stay Connected
Subscribe to Pub Notes (the newsletter)
The Terrible Creative on Instagram
Patrick Fore on Instagram
Email Me (Patrick Fore)
Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
Stuck on your website, portfolio, pricing, marketing, or business strategy?
Office Hours is a one-on-one, 60-ish minute conversation to help you work through whatever you’re trying to figure out. No agenda. No curriculum. No pitch. Just honest feedback, thoughtful questions, and a fresh perspective.
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The Missing Map - How To Become A Commercial Photographer in 2026
2026/07/07
A friend of mine named Megan has spent more than a decade making beautiful, deeply human photographs of families. The kind of work that makes you feel something long after you’ve put the camera down. More than once I’ve told her she should be shooting commercial lifestyle campaigns.
Every time I do, she smiles and says the same thing.
“I couldn’t.”
Not because she lacks talent.
Because somewhere along the way, she decided that world belonged to someone else.
That conversation sent me down a rabbit hole I wasn’t expecting. I started asking a deceptively simple question:
How do you actually become a commercial photographer in 2026?
The longer I looked for the answer, the stranger it became.
This episode isn’t really about AI. AI simply exposed a much older problem. It’s about invisible career paths, inherited knowledge, and the possibility that commercial photography has spent decades telling origin stories without ever drawing a map.
Maybe the next generation isn’t failing to find commercial photography.
Maybe commercial photography is failing to find them.
In This Episode
Why “How do I become a commercial photographer?” is much harder to answer than it should be.Why photographers like Megan may already have the eye for commercial work without realizing it.The surprising difference between a profession built on pathways and one built on folklore.Why AI isn’t the story, it’s the stress test.A challenge to every working commercial photographer: if we care about the future of this profession, maybe it’s time we start drawing the map.Resources
APA (Advertising Photographers of America) Find your local chapter at apanational.org
The Book
Lessons From a Terrible Photographer
Support the Show
terriblephotographer.com/support
Stay Connected
Subscribe to Pub Notes (the newsletter)
The Terrible Creative on Instagram
Patrick Fore on Instagram
Email Me (Patrick Fore)
Podcast written, produced, and hosted by Patrick Fore. Music licensed through Epidemic Sound and Blue Dot Sessions. Recorded from my garage in San Diego, California.
-----------------------Office Hours with Patrick
Stuck on your website, portfolio, pricing, marketing, or business strategy?
Office Hours is a one-on-one, 60-ish minute conversation to help you work through whatever you’re trying to figure out. No agenda. No curriculum. No pitch. Just honest feedback, thoughtful questions, and a fresh perspective.
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Let's Talk Money (Again) - A Terrible Conversation with Shelly Waldman
2026/06/30
This week, we are throwing a match into one of the most heavily guarded hiding places in the creative industry: financial trauma, pricing shame, and the business choices we make when the market goes cold. In this special "pod swap" episode, Patrick joins forces with Shelly Waldman from the Creative Campfire podcast. This isn't a sterile lecture on spreadsheets or corporate accounting pipelines. It is a raw, trench-level interrogation into why independent creators systematically undercharge, how childhood conditioning shapes our adult business anxiety, and what it actually takes to maintain your premium pricing integrity when you are trapped in a financial desert.
Meet Shelly Waldman
Shelly Waldman sits at the rare, hyper-focused apex of analytical data and pure creative execution. Before launching her commercial photography business in 2009, she earned a degree in economics and spent ten years working as a corporate financial analyst for Citibank. Today, through her commercial portfolio, her podcast Creative Campfire, and her educational platform at Creative Camp, she teaches creative entrepreneurs how to strip the emotional baggage out of their pricing models, look flatly at the data, and run a business that actually builds long-term wealth.
Portfolio: shellywaldman.comEducation & Resources: creativecamp.proKey Moments & Deep Dives
1. Blue-Collar Anchors vs. Corporate Expectations
Patrick and Shelly dissect where our foundational money scripts are written. Patrick shares the memory of his father being laid off from a Midwestern factory job at age twelve, creating a permanent, tight-rope anxiety of living between "poor and doing okay." Shelly details growing up with stable, thirty-year career educators who couldn't fathom why their children would abandon secure office desks to chase volatile, high-risk creative fields like professional sports or freelance lifestyle photography.
2. The $7 Latte and the Illusion of Control
We have all heard the exhausting, surface-level financial advice telling struggling freelancers to cut out their daily premium coffee habits to balance their books. Patrick and Shelly flip the script on this narrative. In highly volatile, economically stressful environments, that expensive drink isn't a math error—it is a cigarette. It is a deliberate, calculated hit of micro-joy and environmental control when the larger financial structures around you are completely collapsing.
3. The "Spicy Take" on Second Shooter Exploitation
Patrick drops a heavy indictment on the direct-to-consumer wedding market. When a primary studio hires a second shooter for a ten-hour day, drops a five-hundred-dollar Venmo payment, and uses a one-sided contract to strip away the rookie's copyright and portfolio rights, it isn't "just business." It is photographers actively capitalizing on the ignorance of other photographers. They break down the legal realities of B2B transactions and why the industry standard day rate for second shooters has criminally stalled for over fifteen years.
4. The Ballpark Trap: Walking Away in a Money Desert
Shelly breaks down a real-time contract negotiation drama from her recent work in London. A corporate charity client handed her an incredibly complex orchestra brief—complete with multiple conductors, split lightning keys, backstage portrait demands, and a requirement for perpetuity image usage across three separate companies. When they tried to slash her estimated rate completely in half, she walked away from the table—despite being in a dry market.
"If you reward the screaming toddler with a cupcake, you are punishing the entire creative industry. You teach the client that whatever an independent artist quotes, it can always be sliced in half."5. Gamifying the "No" vs. Rooting Out the Trauma
When a creative professional is terrified to raise their rates, Shelly and Patrick deploy two completely different, equally necessary coaching frameworks:
Shelly’s Data Method: Break down your cost of living into a hard, non-negotiable survival line. Then, increase your rates incrementally by fifty dollars on every single new inquiry until the market explicitly tells you "No." Run the 100 No Project and treat rejection like a game of Monopoly.Patrick’s Identity Method: Stop looking at the spreadsheet and look in the mirror. Identify the ghost inside your ego. Ask yourself if you are undercharging because your portfolio is weak, or because your family history has trained you to believe you don't deserve to hold capital.Surviving Another Day in 2026
Patrick shares the whiplash reality of his first few years of complete independence: bringing in $123,000 in 2024, only to watch the entire client pipeline vanish into complete silence throughout 2025, forcing him to stand on his front porch and sell his backup camera gear just to cover his California rent.
The underlying consensus of this pod swap is simple: if you are operating an independent creative business in 2026, navigating the structural shifts of AI and platform manipulation, and simply managing to survive to shoot another frame—you get the gold star. Survival is a badge of honor.
Connect With the Show:
Patrick’s Portfolio & Archive: patrickfore.com | terriblecreative.comGrab the Audiobook: Check out Lessons From a Terrible Photographer on Audible, Apple Books, or find the direct links at terriblecreative.com/the-book.Shelly’s Podcast: Tune into Creative Campfire on all major streaming platforms.
(00:00) - Intro: Money Shame & Pod Swap
(00:39) - Origin Stories: Where Our Money Beliefs Come From
(43:30) - Licensing, Usage & Second Shooters
(01:01:14) - Practical Tactics: Getting to the Number
(01:03:06) - Why Photographers Undercharge — & How to Fix It
(01:31:51) - Coaching Corner: Advice for the Scared Photographer
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Money Talks - Audiobook Preview: The psychology of undercharging and how financial stability creates true creative freedom.
2026/06/23
We are doing something a little different this week. To give the live microphone a brief rest, we are pulling back the curtain on a project that has been built in the dark for months. In this episode, you are getting an exclusive, unedited listen to an entire chapter from my newly released audiobook: Chapter 14 — "Money Talks."This chapter cuts straight down to the bone of creative capitalism. It’s about the raw, visceral panic of quoting a number that makes your palms sweat, why the romanticized "starving artist" trope is an absolute lie, and how your pricing is a profound statement about your creative self-worth, not just a line item on an invoice.🎧 THE AUDIOBOOK IS OFFICIALLY OUT IN THE WILDThe wait is over. The complete audiobook version of Lessons From a Terrible Photographer is officially live and streaming onsite at Audible, Apple Books, and everywhere else you consume audio.If you want to grab your copy, listen to the rest of the book, or check out what people are saying, head directly to the link below:👉 Get the Audiobook Here: theterriblecreative.com/the-bookIn This Chapter:
The Starbucks Recalibration: The story of the first time I quoted a five-figure rate ($32,000) that made my hands sweat in Irvine, California—and the epiphany that followed.The Trust Fund Myth: Why the "starving artist" romance loses its appeal the exact second your electricity gets turned off, and who actually invented that narrative.The $500 Downtown LA Disaster: A painful look back at my early freelancing days on Upwork, lugging backgrounds up thirty flights of stairs, and realizing my business was just a very expensive hobby.The Discount Photographer Death Spiral: The exact self-perpetuating psychological trap that keeps talented creatives broke, resentful, and suffocated.The Intention Effect: How walking away from a corporate salary at Taylor Guitars forced my brain's Reticular Activating System to prioritize non-negotiable financial targets.The Freedom Equation: Why financial stability isn't for "sellouts"—it is the literal foundation that gives you the breathing room to take true artistic risks.🪵 NEXT WEEK: Money Shame & Trauma with Shelly WaldmanThis audiobook drop is the exact intellectual foundation for where this show is heading next week. Next week, we are continuing our dive into the financial muck with a massive pod-swap conversation featuring Shelly Waldman from the Creative Campfire podcast.We are leaving the dry business strategies at the door and getting entirely real about money trauma, freelance precarity, and what happens when an empty inbox makes you feel like a failure as a human being.Go grab the audiobook, digest Chapter 14, and brace yourself for next week.Connect With the Show:
Audiobook Links: theterriblecreative.com/the-bookMain Website & Archive: theterriblecreative.comEmail is Always Open: Send your thoughts, questions, or unfiltered hate mail directly through the link in the show notes. I read everything.Stay curious. Stay courageous. Stay terrible.
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We’ll See - The quiet anxiety of marketing
2026/06/16
She said two words and I haven't stopped thinking about them since.
This episode started at an APA event in La Mesa, in an artist's studio, in a conversation with a commercial photographer who's doing everything right. Personal work that matters, cold pitches going out every day, a real strategy executed with discipline. I asked how it was going.
"We'll see."
This one is about that phrase. What it actually means to operate a creative business in 2026, where the feedback loops are fast, the wins are public, and the silence feels personal even when it isn't. About confidence as a product people sell you. About the gap between effort and outcome that nobody's content calendar accounts for. And about a camera I had to sell on Facebook Marketplace, and what it felt like to hand it to a stranger on my front porch.
Your marketing not working isn't a referendum on your talent. Sometimes it's just the weather.
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Playing Hurt - How Professional Creatives Perform at Full Capacity When Everything Goes Wrong
2026/06/09
There is a version of this job that looks incredible from the outside. The gear. The clients. The portfolio. What nobody sees is what it costs to produce it.
In this episode I'm talking about the part of the creative life nobody puts in the brochure. What it actually means to be a professional. Not the romantic version. The real one. Where you photograph a CEO with a fractured finger, shoot a full day with walking pneumonia, and drive to Los Angeles at 4am for a job you agreed to six months ago when it seemed manageable.
The amateur has the luxury of the craft. The professional has the obligation of it. And nobody tells you that from the outside.
This one is about divided focus, muscle memory, and the strange, specific capacity to override every biological alarm you have because there is a job to do and you are the only one who can do it.
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Death Grip - Google AI Just Changed How Clients Find You. Here's What It Can't Replace.
2026/06/02
Something shifted last week. Not dramatically. Quietly, the way things in this industry tend to change — while you're working, while you're trying to keep the phone ringing.
Google's AI Mode is rewriting how clients find photographers. The search box that used to send people to your website now answers their question and keeps them inside Google. The content you spent years building to get found is being consumed by the machine that replaced you.
So I did what I always do. Stayed up too late, rebuilt half my website for an algorithm, and unpublished pages I'd spent months on.
This episode is about that night. About what it costs to hold the wrong things too tight. About a portrait subject who sat in her car for ten minutes before she could walk through my studio door — and what happened in the room after she did. And about the part of this work that no platform update, no search algorithm, no AI announcement has ever been able to touch.
The ninety percent is window dressing. This episode is about the ten.
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Truth4all 2026/06/23
Raw and Real
This podcast is raw and real. A welcome voice amongst a lot of noise. Not the typical gear reviews and tech talk, just real experience and thoughtfu...
inktree 2026/01/30
Honest and real info for all creatives
As someone who’s worked with Patrick several times, I always appreciate his honesty and self reflection. This podcast reflecting on his craft and thin...
bent shaft 2026/01/11
Podcast
Patrick. Thanks for your podcast. I am enjoying the show each week. Thx
GeeHawYall 2025/10/10
A buffet of creative nourishment
No matter who you are or what you make, this show will always leave you with uniquely-crafted insights and you might find you feel less alone in your ...
Christal Houghtelling 2025/09/26
This podcast is so relatable!
This podcast is a gem. Listening to him feels like he crawled into my brain and said everything I couldn’t put into words. So relatable. Everyone who ...
Danielle Dott 2025/09/12
Warning: Addictive!
The Terrible Photographer quickly became my favorite photography podcast. The conversations are so deep and relatable, they usually linger in my brain...
junitaki 2025/09/09
for artists of all disciplines
Really appreciate the blending of deep research, storytelling, and heart. Terrible Photographer is a rewarding podcast for artists of all disciplines.
DeeNicFry 2025/08/20
Finally, a Photography Podcast That Doesn’t Put Me to Sleep!
The Terrible Photographer Podcast is exactly what the photography world needed. It’s deep and thought provoking. Patrick shares real experiences that ...
Mdkauffmann 2025/08/17
Patrick is awesome
Patrick speaks real talk to photographers. It’s the stuff we don’t want to admit or think about, but it’s the important stuff. More than once I’ve sto...
Verse&Vibe 2025/07/26
Required listening for anyone pursuing a creative life
As someone who hires photographers and freelance creatives, The Terrible Photographer has quickly become one of my favorite listens (& lessons). Benea...
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