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The Messy Middle features casually unhinged bonus episodes while The Happily Never After is between seasons. Short and sweet, they get right to the point. Today we're talking about how you can be a good friend to someone in your life who is in trenches of the divorce process.

The Messy Middle features casually unhinged bonus episodes while The Happily Never After is between seasons. Short and sweet, they get right to the point. Today we're talking about the origins of self care, and why it's rooted in social justice.

In the season two finale of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes bestselling author Stefanie Wilder-Taylor to discuss her journey with alcohol and sobriety. Stefanie candidly shares her experiences, from the role alcohol played in her life to the pivotal moment that led her to getting sober. The conversation delves into self-awareness, acceptance, and how to change the things in our life that aren't serving us.  ABOUT STEFANIE WILDER-TAYLOR Stefanie is the author of six books including the bestseller Sippy Cups Are Not for Chardonnay and her latest, Drunk-ish. She’s been seen on NickMom hosting her humorous talk show Parental Discretion with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, she’s also the host of four podcasts: For Crying Out Loud, Bored AF, Rose Pricks – a Bachelor Roast, and Drunk-ish.  Learn more about Stefanie, including her work and classes, at stefaniewildertaylor.com ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

Carrie Hauskens is here to talk about why she is happily childfree after a long journey through infertility. After surviving treatments, surrogacy, and devastating loss, Carrie has redefined her life's plan, and it turns out, life today is pretty great. She's sharing all that she has learned through this experience with incredible candor, emotional meaning, and the kind of humor you develop after making it through the deep trenches of life. This can't miss conversation is for anyone who has found themselves making a hard left after life didn't turn out the way they had originally planned. Sometimes the new destination is happier than you could have imagined. ABOUT CARRIE HAUSKENS Carrie is a freelance writer and MFA student based in Northern California. Her expertise is writing about infertility and the many tangents that radiate from that experience. Her trademark is vulnerable and authentic writing. Follow Carrie on Instagram at @bloomingwithcareFollow Carrie on TikTok at @bloomingwithcareRead more from Carrie at Blooming with Care ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

Drea Renee is here to share what she's learned about love, and why we all need to get more comfortable when relationships don't work out. She's talking about taking control of her love life, creating a full, happy life, and the life decision that changed everything for her. This is a conversation about leveling up by letting go, and it all starts with you. ABOUT DREA Drea Renee is a media personality, host, and longtime poker insider who has spent over a decade on some of the biggest stages in the game, from the World Poker Tour to PokerGO and the WSOP. Beyond the poker felt, she is the co-host of the hit podcast Hey Babe, Can We Talk?, a show that dives into modern dating, relationships, and self-growth with humor, honesty, and heart. Known for blending wit with real talk, Drea has created a space where guests and listeners alike can laugh, reflect, and get closer to themselves and their partners. Whether she’s interviewing world-class poker players or unpacking the chaos of love and connection, Drea’s signature energy makes every conversation both entertaining and meaningful. Follow Drea at @heybabecanwetalk ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this episode of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes Vanessa Bennett, a licensed depth psychotherapist and author, to discuss the profound journey of resilience and self-discovery following life's unexpected challenges. Vanessa has worked with so many via her professional expertise as a therapist, but this year she was personally challenged as she lost her home in the devastating Altadena fires. She will talk to us about what happened, the aftermath, and the new chapter she is beginning in Costa Rica. She will also talk about her powerful new book The Motherhood Myth, which critiques societal myths about motherhood, offers tools for self-reclamation, and provides guidance on redefining parenting, intimacy, and one's sense of self. ABOUT VANESSA BENNETT Vanessa is celebrated for her deep, soulful exploration of the cultural, social, and relational dynamics that shape motherhood and our most vital connections. After thirteen years in corporate advertising, she became a licensed depth therapist—skilled at combining Jungian and depth-oriented psychology to bring "below the neck" work to the surface. Her work is the go‑to resource for anyone ready to move beyond performance and step into authentic, wholehearted living. Learn more about Vanessa at VanessaBennett.com ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this episode of "Happily Never After," host Heather McG welcomes Dr. Nellie Tran, a professor at San Diego State University and daughter of Vietnamese refugees. Together, they explore the profound impact of generational trauma, the experience of migration, and the resilience found in connecting to your roots. Nellie shares her family's harrowing escape from Vietnam, the challenges they had to overcome, and the reclaiming of her ancestral roots. This conversation delves into the power of storytelling in healing and understanding our past. Tune in for an inspiring dialogue on history, identity, and the enduring spirit of family. ABOUT DR. NELLIE TRAN Dr. Nellie Tran (she/they) grew up as the daughter of Vietnamese refugee "boat people" and is now a professor at San Diego State University. Her work and passion focus on making sense of the traumas we inherit, reclaiming identity, and creating spaces where our stories matter. Her most recent project centers on reclaiming the family traumas and stories that war and migration once made unspeakable. Follow Dr. Nellie on TikTok at @drnellieFollow Dr. Nellie on Instagram at @drnellietranLearn more about Dr. Nellie on her website at nellietran.comABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this compelling episode of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes Kate Anthony, renowned author and host of The Divorce Survival Guide Podcast. Together, they delve into the complexities of divorce, exploring Kate's personal journey and her work as a divorce coach. Discover insights on navigating emotional abuse, the importance of self-discovery, and the societal challenges women face in leaving toxic relationships. Whether you're contemplating a major life change or seeking empowerment, this episode offers valuable perspectives and practical advice for reclaiming your happiness. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that challenges norms and inspires transformation. ABOUT KATE ANTHONY Kate Anthony is the author of The D Word: Making the Ultimate Decision About Your Marriage, host of the critically acclaimed and New York Times recommended podcast The Divorce Survival Guide Podcast and the creator of the groundbreaking online coaching program, "Should I Stay or Should I Go?" which helps women make the most difficult decision of their lives using coaching tools, relationship education, geeky neuroscience, community support, and deep self-work. Kate is certified as a Domestic Violence Advocate, a Co-Parenting Specialist, and a High Conflict Divorce Coach. Follow Kate on Instagram at @kateanthony_divorcecoachFollow Kate on Facebook at Your Divorce Survival GuideLearn more about Kate at KateAnthony.comABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this heartfelt episode of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes Denise Hendricks, an award-winning television producer and proud mom, to share her journey to motherhood through adoption. From her early career days at The Oprah Show to navigating the complexities of adoption, Denise opens up about the challenges and joys of becoming a mother. Tune in to hear about the emotional highs and lows, the importance of a supportive community, and the life-changing decisions that have shaped Denise's path. Whether you're considering adoption or simply seeking a compelling, meaningful story, this episode offers valuable insights, heartfelt moments, and a lot of laughs.  ABOUT DENISE HENDRICKS Denise Hendricks is an award-winning television producer, and writer, but the title she enjoys most is Mom. She has been in the news and entertainment industry for several years producing for: CNN, MSNBC, The Oprah Winfrey Show, the OWN network, HLN, ABC, BET’s late- night talk show The Mo’Nique Show, and for NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX television news affiliates across the country. She is currently Supervising Producer of CNN Headlines, the streaming channel for cable news giant CNN. Denise holds a B.S. in Journalism from Florida A&M University, an M.A. in Christian Education from the Interdenominational Theological Center, and a Screenwriting certificate from Emory University. She is a member of Delta Sigma Theta, Inc., and the Producers Guild of America. Denise resides in Atlanta with her 9 year old son, they both love to travel, visit parks and spend time with family and friends. Follow Denise on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@cdenisehendricksConnect with Denise on LinkedIn ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

Shayna Ferm and her co-founder Tracey Tee designed The Pump and Dump Show to connect to new moms about the realities of motherhood with humor, music, and community. Their show was growing exponentially, until in 2020 the covid-19 pandemic brought about an unexpected collapse. Today, Shayna is sharing candid reflections about her journey in forging a new path as a women's fiction author. Join us for an inspiring conversation about resilience, creativity, and the unexpected paths that lead to personal growth.  ABOUT SHAYNA FERM BRYAN Shayna is a lifelong creative with nearly thirty years as a performer, producer, musician and writer. After building the brand, Band of Mothers, which included a nationally touring comedy show for moms called The Pump and Dump Show, alongside the Band of Mothers Podcast co-produced by Warner Bros, Shayna has redirected her talent to writing women's fiction novels that focus on crisis and self-discovery in midlife.  Follow Shay on Instagram at @shaynafermwritesLearn more about Shay at her author websiteMentioned in this episode: Heather Garbo Book CoachingABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

Host Heather McG sits down with debut author Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez, who survived eight years of conversion therapy then began his empowering journey to healing and belonging. He discusses the challenges and revelations that led him to co-found an organization that helps queer individuals find affirming faith communities. Timothy's story, featured in major outlets like NBC and Vice, is a testament to resilience and courage. Tune in to hear about his upcoming book, Conversion Therapy Dropout, and his ongoing advocacy for queer people of faith. Don't miss this transformative conversation about faith, identity, and how to take the steps needed to live one's truth. ABOUT TIMOTHY SCHRAEDER RODRIGUEZ Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez spent almost a decade in gay conversion therapy—all while working behind the scenes at some of the most influential Evangelical Christian megachurches. After embracing his identity as a gay Christian and stepping away from church work, he co-founded Church Clarity, an organization that helps queer people find affirming faith communities. His story and work have been featured by NBC, VICE, Huffington Post, Religion News Service, and Newsweek. Born in the Midwest, he now calls New York City home, where he continues his work as a writer, digital strategist, and advocate for queer people of faith. His first book, Conversion Therapy Dropout: A Queer Story of Faith and Belonging will be released on May 5, 2026. Pre-order his book here. Follow Tim on social at @timothy.s.rodriguez on Instagram and Threads, or follow him on Substack at timothysrodriguez.substack.com.  ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this episode of "Happily Never After," host Heather McG sits down with Ish, a comedian and former lawyer, to explore the tumultuous journey of recovering from a toxic relationship. Ish candidly shares her experiences with a narcissistic partner, the emotional rollercoaster of breaking free, and how she transformed her pain into a viral TikTok series. Through humor and raw honesty, Ish discusses the complexities of revenge, healing, and self-discovery. Tune in for an eye-opening conversation that delves into the depths of emotional abuse and the power of reclaiming one's narrative. If you are experiencing domestic abuse you can reach out to the National Domestic Violence Hotline via web or at 800.799.7233 ABOUT ISH SIDHU Ish is a comedian and former lawyer turned TikToker. In the last year she has amassed a following of 573k+ followers on TikTok and 275k followers on Instagram and is best known for her series Revenge Ideas from a Lawyer That Won't Get You Arrested... Probably. It's definitely not legal advice, but it sure is funny. Follow Ish on Instagram and TikTok at @whattheishMORE ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER "The Happily Never After" is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

In this episode of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes Andrea Rappaport, co-host of top How Not to Suck at Divorce. Andrea shares her journey of overcoming an abusive marriage, the impact of her childhood on her adult relationships, and her path to healing and self-discovery. She discusses the importance of recognizing red flags, the challenges of rebuilding life post-divorce, and the ongoing process of personal growth. TAKEAWAYSWe often marry before knowing our true selves and worth.Ignoring the truth can lead to detrimental life choices.Panic attacks can be a sign of unresolved past trauma.Rebuilding life post-divorce requires laying a new foundation.It's common to seek validation through dating after divorce.Children can sense unhealthy parental relationships.Personal growth is an ongoing journey, not a finished product.Physical movement can help break mental paralysis.Professional help is more beneficial than relying solely on friends. ABOUT ANDREA RAPPAPORTAndrea Rappaport is the co-host of the popular podcast How Not to Suck at Divorce. She's been featured on News Nation, TODAY show online, The Tamron Hall Show, as well as numerous appearances on local TV. Andrea uses her comedy skills and money her father spent on voice lessons, dance lessons and The Second City Conservatory to help divorcing individuals exhale and feel less alone. After leaving an abusive marriage when her boys were 2 and 4, Andrea is an advocate and public speaker on not only recognizing, red flags in relationship, but acting on them. She is happily remarried to man funnier than she is and lives in the northern suburbs of Chicago with her wildly crazy blended family. When she's not on the air or running her marketing firm, she can be seen hunting for discount fashion at TJ Maxx or Marshalls.Follow Andrea on Instagram at @theandrearappaportFollow Andrea on TikTok at @divorcepodcast MORE ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com⁠

Shaka Senghor is a resilience expert and bestselling author who shares his transformative journey from incarceration to freedom. Shaka discusses the hidden prisons we all face, the importance of vulnerability, and how shame and guilt can hinder personal growth. He reflects on his early life, the role of reading and writing in prison, and the impact of solitary confinement. Shaka emphasizes the power of active journaling, mindfulness, and creating safe environments for children, ultimately defining freedom as being present and embracing joy. TAKEAWAYSEveryone has hidden prisons.Vulnerability is key to personal growth and connection.Shame and guilt can impede progress in life.Reading and writing can be transformative, even in prison.Mindfulness helps in overcoming past traumas.Active journaling can unlock deeper insights about oneself.Creating a safe environment for children is crucial for their development.Our worst deeds do not define us; we can evolve beyond them.Freedom is about being present and embracing joy. CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to Transformation03:07 Shaka's Early Life and Challenges05:45 The Role of Reading and Writing in Prison09:06 Experiences of Solitary Confinement11:51 Parole Journey and Life After Prison15:10 The Premise of 'How to Be Free'17:47 Understanding Hidden Prisons20:59 The Impact of Shame and Vulnerability24:06 Navigating Life's Challenges27:47 Unpacking Childhood Trauma30:03 The Power of Active Journaling33:27 Vulnerability as a Strength36:35 Creating Healing Through Vulnerability39:07 Breaking Generational Cycles42:06 Redefining Freedom48:41 Mindfulness and Moving Forward52:28 Finding Freedom in Adversity ABOUT SHAKA SENGHORShaka is a resilience expert, bestselling author, and speaker whose journey from incarceration to transformation has connected with audiences worldwide. Born in Detroit amid economic hardship, he spent 19 years in prison before finding his own path to freedom. Today, he shares the frameworks that transformed his life, helping executives, entrepreneurs, and athletes break free from their own invisible barriers. His mission is to show that everyone can achieve freedom and create a life full of possibility, purpose, and joy.Follow Shaka on Instagram at @shakasenghorLearn more at shakasenghor.com MORE ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com⁠

In this season finale, Heather McG shares her personal journey deprogramming from a fundamentalist Christian environment. Joined by guest host Sydney Davis Jr. Jr., Heather talks about what it was like growing up with 21 siblings, confronting the beliefs that no longer served her as an adult, and redesigning her life from the ground up. Heather and Sydney explore the complexities of fundamentalism, the impact made on their lives, and how to shed your shame. The conversation also talks about how we are more than the worst things that have happened to us, and how changing your life starts with you. After all, happiness is an inside job. CHAPTERS04:53 Facing Loss and Personal Growth09:56 The Impact of Fundamentalism15:04 Racism and the White Savior Complex20:05 Acknowledging Privilege and Moving Forward22:14 The Power of Sharing Personal Stories24:41 Navigating Change and Growth25:08 The Systemic Nature of Fundamentalism28:35 Confronting New Realities in Chicago31:20 The Shift in Beliefs35:17 The Great Unlearning39:15 Finding Closure with a Complicated Past44:52 The Complexity of Grief and Freedom48:03 Shame and Its Impact on Healing51:24 The Power of Sharing Stories57:22 Finding Hope and New Beginnings ABOUT SYDNEY DAVIS JR. JR.Sydney Davis is a comedian, satirist and host of the podcast Growing Up Fundie. Her standup comedy special, Trash, is available on Amazon Prime, and she holds an MFA in creative non fiction. She currently lives in Arizona with one husband, four parrots, and three venus fly traps.Follow her on IG: @sydneydavisjrjrYouTube: SydneyDavisJrJr MORE ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at  www.heathermcg.com.