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40 episodes
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Date created
2025/06/02
Latest episode
2026/02/06
Average duration
36 min.
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The Rad N' Bad Podcast by Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero isn’t your average ABA podcast, it’s a full-blown wake-up call. These two BCBAs from Hickory Learning Group are smashing through outdated norms and calling out the BS in the field. No fluff, no sugar-coating, just raw, unfiltered truth about what ABA should be. They challenge you to think, question the “why,” and push past complacency. If you're ready to disrupt the status quo and make this field better for clients and practitioners alike, buckle up, Rad N' Bad is here to raise hell and raise standards.
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Episode 27: Who the Hell is That? Cutting Through the Clinical Sludge with Rebecca Urbano Powell
2026/02/06
In this episode of the Rad n’ Bad Podcast, Sean and Mike scrape off the "clinical veneer" to expose the "metallic stench" of a field currently governed by the path of least resistance. They are joined by a true industry heavy hitter, Rebecca Urbano Powell, CEO of Seven Dimensions Behavioral Health and a veteran with 25 years in the trenches.
The trio dives headfirst into the messy reality of 2026 ABA: where BCBAs have become "marionette puppets" for insurance funders and social media influencers. Rebecca breaks down why the "square peg, round hole" insurance model is failing families and why "good enough" data is actually a block of clinical sludge clogging client progress.
From her roots in old-school darkroom photography to picking apart Medicaid misinformation for fun, Rebecca brings the fire. She challenges every clinician to stop hiding behind "standardized packages" and start investing in their own mastery. This isn't just a podcast episode; it’s a call to arms for providers to stop being customer service reps and start being scientists again.
The Photography Pivot: How the science of developing film mirrors the creativity needed in behavior analysis.
Insurance vs. Reality: Why "medically necessary" boxes are strangling individualized care.
The Power of Parents: Why grassroots family advocacy is the only reason the field still has a pulse.
The Profit Problem: A candid look at why prioritizing bottom lines over patient outcomes is ruining the science's reputation.
The Seven Dimensions or Bust: If you aren’t adhering to the dimensions, you aren’t doing ABA—you’re just billing for it.
"Learning shouldn't suck and punishment doesn't teach. I get to bring my fun and my humor into a scientific industry... why not?" — Rebecca Urbano Powell
Connect with Rebecca on Linkedin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-urbano-powell-bcba-380b523/
Episode 26: No-Man’s Land — The Stereotypy Standoff
2026/01/28
The box of conversation is officially open. In this second installment of No-Man’s Land, Sean Yocum and Mike Carrero take on one of the most taboo subjects in ABA: Addressing and Treating Stereotypy.
As always, the rules are rigid—no "it depends" and no using "nuance" as a shield. The coin flip decides their fate, and this week, Mike is forced to argue for the treatment of stereotypic behaviors, while Sean defends the right to stim. From "Quiet Hands" to "Bodily Autonomy," the guys trade verbal nukes over whether reducing repetitive behavior is a violation of human rights or a necessary gateway to independence and safety. Can they find a middle ground that respects neurodivergent identity while still expanding a learner’s access to the world?
In this episode, we pressure test:
Bodily Autonomy vs. Access to Learning: Is treating stereotypy "behavioral conversion therapy" or a prerequisite for functional communication?
The "Vending Machine" vs. The "Jumper Cables": How do we differentiate between aesthetic "normalizing" and clinical safety?
Contingency Design over Behavior Reduction: Why the "Old Way" of suppression is failing and how to reframe treatment as expanding choices rather than constraining them.
Redefining Social Validity: Moving from "looking typical" to increasing the quality of life as defined by the learner and their community.
Stay edgy. Stay bad. Analyze that behavior.
Episode 25: No-Man’s Land — The Battle of the Skittles
2026/01/19
Welcome to the front lines of Season 2. Comfort has killed curiosity in this field, and Sean Yocum and Mike Carrero are officially done applauding mediocrity. In this high-stakes season premiere, the guys introduce their newest segment: No-Man’s Land. The rules are simple but brutal—the flip of a coin decides which side of a toxic topic you have to defend, and "it depends" is a forfeit.
This week, the coin lands on one of the most polarizing practices in ABA: Food as Reinforcers. Mike wins the toss and forces Sean into the hot seat to argue for the use of edibles, while Mike takes the side of the critics. They strip away the clinical politeness to debate whether contingent food is a biological necessity for progress or just glorified "dog training" that strips away client dignity. Can they find a middle ground between the "Ultimate Motivator" and the "Vending Machine Effect," or is the gap too wide to bridge?
In this episode, we dive into:
The Biological Contract: Does food respect the Matching Law for learners with significant barriers?
The Dependency Trap: What happens when the Skittles run out and the "jumper cables" are pulled?
Social Validity vs. Clinical Efficiency: Are we conditioning the brain or just creating transactional compliance?
The Middle Ground Verdict: How to transition from primary reinforcers to natural, social contingencies without "ripping the rug out" from under the learner.
Stay edgy. Stay bad. Analyze that behavior.
Rad N Bad: Season 2 Trailer-The Escalation
2026/01/12
Season 2 Trailer of what is to come on the Rad N Bad podcast....get ready for the escalation!
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Episode 24: The Spark, the Systems, and the Fire for Season 2
2025/12/29
In this Season 1 finale, host Sean Yocum strips away the "conference scripts" and polished professionalism to reflect on why Rad and Bad was created. This episode is a raw manifesto for the podcast’s mission: providing a voice for the "whispers in the hallways" of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA).
Yocum acknowledges the community—from RBTs and clinicians to students and families—who have supported the show's unapologetic stance on the field's most uncomfortable truths. He clarifies that the podcast isn't born out of bitterness, but out of a deep love for the science of behavior analysis and a refusal to ignore its systemic flaws.
Key highlights from the episode include:
The Mission: Challenging the status quo on 40-hour RBT training, private equity in healthcare, and the tendency to prioritize billing efficiency over human outcomes.
The "Underground" Movement: Reflections on the launch of the Underground Conference, aimed at providing real tools and "no bullshit" CEUs.
A Call for Accountability: A commitment to never protect failing systems at the expense of people or confuse tradition with evidence.
Season 2 Preview: An "escalation" of the conversation, promising bolder, sharper, and more interdisciplinary discussions to help rebuild the field "with the lights on."
Systems Over Symptoms: Focusing on why burnout and clinical failures happen at a structural level.
People Over Palatability: Refusing to water down truths to appease the "status quo."
Compassion Over Compliance: Shifting the ethical conversation from checking boxes to genuine care.
Episode 23: Do As I Say, Not As I Do: The BACB’s Punishment Problem
2025/12/19
In this episode of Rad N' Bad, Sean Yocum critically analyzes the Behavior Analyst Certification Board's (BACB) disciplinary process, highlighting its hypocrisy and emotional toll on behavior analysts. He cites "Ethical and Regulatory Investigations in ABA: A Qualitative Analysis of Practitioner Responses and Outcomes (Voulgarakis, 2025)He discusses the profound impact on early career practitioners and the organizational failures within the BACB. The episode concludes with proposed solutions aimed at creating a more compassionate and effective disciplinary system.
References:
Voulgarakis, H.M. Ethical and Regulatory Investigations in ABA: A Qualitative Analysis of Practitioner Responses and Outcomes. Behav Analysis Practice (2025). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-025-01134-0
Episode 22: The Evolution of ABA: Traditional vs. New, Social Validity, and the Cultural Debate
2025/12/10
In this impromptu episode recorded live from the Underground Conference, hosts Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero tackle the controversial and nuanced debate surrounding "Traditional" versus "New" Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA). They explore whether the shift in terminology represents a genuine change in practice or just a rebranding effort. The conversation delves deep into the history of ABA, acknowledging the valid trauma and criticism from the neurodivergent community regarding compliance-based and normalization-focused methods.
Sean and Mike dissect the core argument that while the science of behavior analysis—its principles of reinforcement and environmental interaction—remains neutral, the application has evolved significantly based on changing ethical values. They discuss the critical roles of assent, autonomy, and social validity, debating who ultimately defines "acceptable" behavior: the individual or the culture they live in. This episode challenges practitioners to move beyond defensiveness and embrace a compassionate, values-driven approach that prioritizes the dignity and self-determination of the individual while navigating the complex realities of societal norms.
Key Topics Discussed:
Traditional vs. New ABA: Defining the differences and understanding the historical context of compliance-based models vs. modern assent-based care.
The Neutrality of Science: How behavioral principles remain constant while the ethical application shifts.
Social Validity & Assent: A deep dive into the complexity of honoring a client's "no" while balancing long-term outcomes and safety.
Cultural Context: The role of societal norms in defining acceptable behavior and the tension between individual autonomy and environmental consequences.
Addressing Trauma: Validating the lived experiences of autistic individuals and the field's responsibility to do better.
Episode 21: Medicaid Hunger Games: Rate Cuts, Caseload Collapse & the Fight for ABA Survival
2025/12/01
In this episode of the Rad and Bad Podcast, Sean Yocum discusses the critical issues facing clinicians in ABA therapy, particularly the impact of Medicaid funding cuts. He emphasizes the need for clinicians to speak out against systemic failures and to advocate for better practices and policies. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the Medicaid system, the consequences of silence among clinicians, and actionable steps for empowerment and advocacy.
Episode 21: Medicaid Hunger Games: Rate Cuts, Caseload Collapse & the Fight for ABA Survival
2025/12/01
In this episode of the Rad and Bad Podcast, Sean Yocum discusses the critical issues facing clinicians in ABA therapy, particularly the impact of Medicaid funding cuts. He emphasizes the need for clinicians to speak out against systemic failures and to advocate for better practices and policies. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the Medicaid system, the consequences of silence among clinicians, and actionable steps for empowerment and advocacy.
Episode 20: Private Equity Part 2-Private Pockets & Patient Plunder: The Private Equity Takeover of ABA
2025/11/21
In this fiery, no-holds-barred episode, Sean Yocum returns to the mic to rip the mask off one of the most dangerous forces creeping through the field of Applied Behavior Analysis — private equity. What started as a clinical revolution has become a corporate gold rush, and Sean calls it exactly what it is: behavioral gentrification.
From Wall Street boardrooms to therapy rooms, Sean exposes how venture capital vultures have infiltrated autism services, transforming care into commodity and compassion into cash flow. He breaks down the “three D’s” — Debt, Dominance, and Destabilization — the unholy trinity driving overbilling, burnout, and the collapse of clinical fidelity. Backed by data, real-world examples, and an unapologetic voice for ethics, this episode pulls zero punches.
You’ll hear the truth about what happens when finance runs therapy: supervision disappears, turnover skyrockets, and the very kids this field was built to serve become financial line items. But Sean doesn’t just vent — he rallies. He calls on BCBAs, RBTs, and leaders across the country to demand transparency, document pressure, and prioritize people over profit.
This episode isn’t about fear. It’s about rebellion.If you’ve ever wondered who really owns your company — and what that means for your clients — this is your wake-up call.
Stay rad. Stay bad. And remember: when finance walks in, fidelity walks out the back door.
Check out the article here:
https://cepr.net/publications/pocketing-money-meant-for-kids-private-equity-in-autism-services/
Join the Underground Conference Here:
https://sean-s-site-2244.thinkific.com/products/communities/theunderground
Learn about Hi-Rasmus Here:
https://hirasmus.com/
Episode 20: Private Equity Part 2-Private Pockets & Patient Plunder: The Private Equity Takeover of ABA
2025/11/21
In this fiery, no-holds-barred episode, Sean Yocum returns to the mic to rip the mask off one of the most dangerous forces creeping through the field of Applied Behavior Analysis — private equity. What started as a clinical revolution has become a corporate gold rush, and Sean calls it exactly what it is: behavioral gentrification.
From Wall Street boardrooms to therapy rooms, Sean exposes how venture capital vultures have infiltrated autism services, transforming care into commodity and compassion into cash flow. He breaks down the “three D’s” — Debt, Dominance, and Destabilization — the unholy trinity driving overbilling, burnout, and the collapse of clinical fidelity. Backed by data, real-world examples, and an unapologetic voice for ethics, this episode pulls zero punches.
You’ll hear the truth about what happens when finance runs therapy: supervision disappears, turnover skyrockets, and the very kids this field was built to serve become financial line items. But Sean doesn’t just vent — he rallies. He calls on BCBAs, RBTs, and leaders across the country to demand transparency, document pressure, and prioritize people over profit.
This episode isn’t about fear. It’s about rebellion.If you’ve ever wondered who really owns your company — and what that means for your clients — this is your wake-up call.
Stay rad. Stay bad. And remember: when finance walks in, fidelity walks out the back door.
Check out the article here:
https://cepr.net/publications/pocketing-money-meant-for-kids-private-equity-in-autism-services/
Join the Underground Conference Here:
https://sean-s-site-2244.thinkific.com/products/communities/theunderground
Learn about Hi-Rasmus Here:
https://hirasmus.com/
Episode 19: The Digital Tightrope — Ethics, Ego, and the ABA Professional Online
2025/11/12
In this unapologetic solo episode, Sean Yocum walks the digital tightrope — that dangerous, dopamine-fueled space where ABA professionals try (and often fail) to balance ethical integrity with online visibility. With zero filters and full accountability, Sean dismantles the myth of the “private” professional account and calls out the ethical trainwrecks playing out across social media feeds.
From viral memes that weaponize client experiences to “hot takes” masquerading as science, this episode hits hard on professionalism, digital ethics, and scope of competence. Sean unpacks how algorithms reward outrage, how one careless post can dismantle a career, and why your digital footprint is either your strongest professional asset or your fastest liability.
He doesn’t stop at criticism — he offers solutions. Learn how to train your supervisees in digital ethics, protect your license from “funny” skits gone wrong, and create content that’s radically ethical, not recklessly viral. The message is clear:
Your client is not content.Your science is not clickbait.Your integrity is not for sale.
If you’re using your license to chase likes, you’re walking the tightrope blindfolded — and this episode is your wake-up call.
Episode 18: The 40-Hour Lie: Fixing RBT Training (w/ Tara Zeller)
2025/11/03
When “check-the-box” courses crank out certificates, patients and frontline staff pay the price. In this Rad N Bad episode, Sean and Mike square up with guest Tara Zeller, BCBA—Chief Empowerment Officer at Apple Tree Connection and creator of the Empowered RBT program—to tear down the 40-hour myth and rebuild it around fluency, mentorship, and real accountability. We hit the quality gap between compliance and competence, how employers weaponize minimums, and why onboarding and BST—not glitchy videos—decide outcomes.
Tara brings solutions: synchronous + asynchronous design, prove-it performance checks, “train–mentor–empower” pipelines, and a 91.7% RBT exam pass rate that backs it up. We debate crisis training (exposure vs. in-job fluency), propose provisional licensing and payer incentives tied to retention and outcomes, and call out the revolving-door clinics starving supervision. If you’re still treating 40 hours like a finish line, this one’s your audit.
Check Out Appletree Connection here: https://www.appletreeconnection.com/
Episode 18: The 40-Hour Lie: Fixing RBT Training (w/ Tara Zeller)
2025/11/03
When “check-the-box” courses crank out certificates, patients and frontline staff pay the price. In this Rad N Bad episode, Sean and Mike square up with guest Tara Zeller, BCBA—Chief Empowerment Officer at Apple Tree Connection and creator of the Empowered RBT program—to tear down the 40-hour myth and rebuild it around fluency, mentorship, and real accountability. We hit the quality gap between compliance and competence, how employers weaponize minimums, and why onboarding and BST—not glitchy videos—decide outcomes.
Tara brings solutions: synchronous + asynchronous design, prove-it performance checks, “train–mentor–empower” pipelines, and a 91.7% RBT exam pass rate that backs it up. We debate crisis training (exposure vs. in-job fluency), propose provisional licensing and payer incentives tied to retention and outcomes, and call out the revolving-door clinics starving supervision. If you’re still treating 40 hours like a finish line, this one’s your audit.
Episode 17: The Data Wrecking Ball: De-Risking ABA with a Clinivise
2025/10/24
Episode 17: The Data Wrecking Ball: De-Risking ABA with a Clinivise
Rad N Bad moves from calling out the broken system to showing you how to rebuild it. Host Sean Yocum welcomes special co-host Christopher Jones, PhD (CTO & Co-Founder of Clinivise) to dissect the intersection of data science, entrepreneurial excellence, and clinical impact.
Dr. Jones, a Caltech-educated veteran and Tillman Scholar, brings his mission-driven expertise to the chaotic world of behavioral health. In this episode, we dive deep into:
Eliminating the Blindfold: How data transparency and platforms like Clinivise dismantle the "information asymmetry" that gives multi-billion dollar payers leverage over smaller, clinician-owned practices.
The Access Problem: Why simply "revealing" provider deserts isn't monetizing failure, but is the crucial first step in de-risking underserved markets, incentivizing ethical expansion, and utilizing creative solutions like telehealth and mobile units.
Negotiation Anchors: How objective market benchmarks for salaries and reimbursement rates can empower new BCBAs and RBTs, eliminate unconscious pay bias, and prevent employers from simply "low-balling" labor costs.
Beyond the Billable Hour: Shifting the industry from a "zero-sum game" (volume over value) to a "positive-sum game" by establishing a baseline for outcome-based negotiation, where clinical progress directly translates to higher value.
If you believe a broken system can’t be profitable forever, you need the intelligence layer to challenge the status quo. Get ready to raise some hell.
Check out Clinivise here:
https://www.clinivise.ai/
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