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What happens when a journalist turns to sex work to fund the stories he really wants to tell? After losing his job, Bension discovered he could earn the equivalent of his former wage in just five hours of sex work. That income gave him time to pursue his true love: investigative journalism, with the freedom to investigate without corporate bosses deciding what he could publish. Sharing his slutty pursuits on social media became a way to build an audience for that reporting. Bension main goal is to challenge to an outdated assumption: being sexually adventurous doesn’t diminish your intelligence, professionalism or ambition! We talk about the clients he gets as a bisexual man, the man who threatened to out him, and why being bi makes him better in bed! Find more of Bension at www.bensiondoesboth.com instagram: @bensionfindsout

Recorded live at a SexTech event in partnership with Nocturnal Animals, this special episode brings together three influential voices from Australia’s kink and sex-work communities; Professional Dominatrix Vera Beauford, Kitty Obsidian - an Indigenous queer sex worker and creator of Australia’s first live sex show for trans audiences and Kyron Kruger, a male escort specialising in kink and latex.We explore how they entered the industry, came out to their families, and found meaning and community through their work. They also share why they’re fighting for greater acceptance, stronger rights, and the destigmatisation of kink and sex work.From censorship and deplatforming to the evolving role of technology in the adult industry, this candid conversation examines the challenges facing sex workers today. We also dive into how kink varies across cultures - and the history behind those differences.This is an honest, provocative conversation about identity, technology, liberation, and the future of Australia’s kink community.This episode contains frank discussions of sex work, kink, sexuality, and discrimination. Intended for mature audiences.

Why are we drawn to certain kinks and fetishes? How do body image, low libido, or past trauma affect the way we experience intimacy? And what can couples do when communication breaks down or they start to feel emotionally distant?This week, I’m joined by Aleks, the sex and couples therapist behind The Pleasure Centre. Aleks helps individuals and couples explore their relationships with sex, pleasure, and each other. We get curious about the psychology behind kinks and fetishes, talk openly about self pleasure, and put some of your burning relationship questions to her.We also discuss challenges many people face but find hard to talk about: feeling disconnected from your partner, struggling to express what you want, and navigating trust after cheating. Whether you’re curious about your own desires, looking to improve communication in your relationship, or simply want a more open conversation about sex and intimacy, this episode is full of thoughtful insights—and plenty of fun along the way.Find more of Aleks athttps://www.thepleasurecentre.org/‪@ThePleasureCentreOrg‬ @_thepleasurecentre Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

Kryon Kruger began exploring his latex fetish as a teenager, hidden behind a mask in the privacy of his bedroom. Growing up in a small country town, he kept that side of himself secret, ashamed of being seen as a weirdo.Then his best friend outed him and instead of retreating further, Kryon chose to embrace who he was.Today, he is one of the leading male creators in the kink, fetish and latex spaces, as well as an established escort and OnlyFans creator. In this interview, Kryon opens up about discovering his passion for fetish, what his clients are coming to him for, overcoming shame, creating authentic and caring experiences for his clients, and what it really takes to succeed as a man in the adult industry.

What happens when an OnlyFans creator becomes pregnant, and discovers that her baby bump is good for business? In this candid and wildly entertaining episode with Emily Mai, we explore pregnancy fetishes, breeding fantasies, lactation requests and the unexpectedly nurturing “mummy energy” behind some subscribers’ desires. Our guest reveals how pregnancy transformed her income, introduced her to an entirely new world of kinks and helped her embrace the stretch marks, sagging boobs and body changes she once felt insecure about. But greater confidence and financial freedom came at a price. We unpack the judgement she faced from other mothers, the double standard that allows women to share sexualised images for free but condemns them for putting a price on their labour, and the persistent belief that becoming a mother means surrendering your sexuality. From getting kicked out of a mothers’ group to earning in a day what a corporate job might pay in a week, this episode asks some confronting questions: Why does money make female sexuality “disgusting”? Can society accept that mothers are still sexual beings? And why wouldn’t a woman profit from something others are already consuming? Unfiltered, funny and thought-provoking, this is a conversation about sex work, motherhood, body acceptance, money and refusing to let anyone else determine your value.

Ally is the social media strategist behind some of OnlyFans biggest names - Annie Knight, Alex Lynx, and more - and she got there by working inside the industry herself first, from online companionship to financial domination. This week she breaks down how "spicy" creators actually go viral (on purpose, not by accident), why shadow bans are the online industry's biggest threat, and the "seduction archetypes" she uses to build a creator's entire brand around who they really are. We get into content strategy, the shift toward "female gaze" content, the mistakes new sex workers make online, and how Ally used the money she made from Financial Domination to build her dream business - Electric Feel ! Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

Evie & Axel aren’t just partners - they work together as a two-person escort team. In this juicy episode, they reveal how their relationship became their business, why clients seek them out to explore sexuality in a safe environment, and what intimacy at home looks like when it’s also your job. We get into bisexual curiosity, jealousy, boundaries, cuckolding, sexual healing, couples therapy, and why some encounters that appear taboo can actually be deeply empowering. They also explain why sx work doesn’t threaten their relationship, how they handle clients who cross the line, and why connection - not sx -is often what people are truly paying for. Find them at www.evieplusaxel.com.au www.evieelysian.com.au www.axelmeridius.com.au YouTube: @evieplusaxel Instagram @evieaxelagain

Isabelle Fox started working in a brothel at just 18, earning $150 an hour. A few years later, she was charging $2,000 an hour as a private escort. Now, Isabel has launched Escort Academy - a mentoring program for women who are curious about entering the industry but don't know where to start. In this episode, we talk about why she created it, the backlash she's faced, and why she believes education makes the industry safer and more legitimate. We also dive into what separates six-figure earners from everyone else, the business lessons that helped her build a premium brand, and the advice she'd give to women considering escorting. This conversation will challenge a lot of assumptions. Find Isabelle at yt: https://www.youtube.com/@isabellefox/videos Ig: https://www.instagram.com/isabellefoxmentor/ tt: https://www.tiktok.com/@isabellefox?

What does it really take to succeed as a top male OnlyFans creator? Today I'm joined by Apollo, one of Australia's leading OnlyFans creators, Porn star, stripper AND male escorts. We dive into the mindset, discipline, and realities behind building a career in the adult industry, covering everything from performance pressure, confidence, and physical conditioning to audience growth and personal relationships. Apollo shares why a significant portion of his audience is made up of straight men, how he approaches fitness like a professional athlete, and the unique marketing strategies that helped him stand out in female dominated industry. We also discuss the challenges of dating, navigating jealousy when both partners create explicit content, and the unexpected requests that eventually led him from content creation into full-service sex work!

Madelene is the founder of Nocturnal, a members-only erotic society creating elevated experiences through intimate workshops, erotic cinema nights, and beautifully curated luxury parties in Melbourne. In this episode, we explore the psychology of desire, modern relationships, and the emotional complexity of entering erotic spaces as a couple. We discuss why these experiences can deepen connection for some relationships and expose fractures in others. Madelene shares how Nocturnal was born, what draws people into the lifestyle, the importance of communication and consent, and the conversations couples need to have before stepping into these environments. An intimate and nuanced conversation about sex, trust, fantasy, jealousy, and human connection. https://www.nocturnalcreatures.com.au/ https://www.instagram.com/nocturnal_____animals/ https://www.instagram.com/bruxaofficial/ Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

Kit grew up in a strict Mormon household and left the Church at just 16. After a falling out with her parents left her couch surfing and struggling financially, she took a chance on OnlyFans - and quickly found success. With her distinctive look and a highly engaged fanbase, Kit now earns over $110K per week Despite holding degrees in mathematics and psychology, she’s chosen to focus full-time on building her OnlyFans business and personal brand. In this episode we touch on what it really takes to connect with fans and grow a loyal audience, the unexpected twists in her journey, what sexual oppression at a young age does to girls, how she accidentally got herself a sugar baby, her experience with a male escort and what men are doing wrong when it comes to pleasing woman these days!!

Journalist by day, high-class escort by night. Amanda stepped into a double life in her late 30s, becoming “Samantha X” after growing bored of the newsroom and craving more money and time with her family. She was worried her age would hold her back, but quickly discovered the opposite. Building a thriving career, running her own escort agency, and becoming a more confident version of herself. But when she outed herself on national TV at a time when sex work was still deeply taboo, everything changed. In this episode, we dive into how she built her Samantha X empire, what she’d never do again, what she still misses… and the reality of life after leaving the industry, when the world knows your name.

Georgie Percell was elected at just 30 years old, making her the youngest woman in Parliament at the time. She’s also one of the most unconventional MPs - refusing to conform to the standard boring suit and openly owning her “colourful” past as a stripper. We talk about the skills she brought from the strip club to Parliament House, how stripping taught her to advocate for herself and handle difficult men, and why she refuses to hide parts of her story. We also dive into the constant online harassment she receives for challenging misogynistic industries, the scrutiny women in politics face, especially those who bravely speak out about harassment -and the backlash she experienced for returning to work after her recent pregnancy. Sex workers are often told that if we do this work, we’ll never go on to get a “real job.” Georgie is living proof that when you own your past, it can actually become your biggest strength.

To be an ‘out’ sex worker is not an easy title to hold because in 95% of the world, it’s a criminal offence. NSW, Australia was the first place in THE WORLD to decriminalise ‘prostitution’ - thanks to a few iconic whores, including Julie Bates. She fought for sex worker rights, testified against police corruption and took on organised crime lords to enforce condoms in brothels during the AIDS pandemic during a time where a condom was used as evidence against woman and brothel owners and grounds for arrest!! She’s an activist, and icon, recognised by the queen and still a sex worker to this day! Julie bates changed the world for sex workers everywhere and literally saved countless lives through AIDS prevention. It’s an honour to have her on Make Them Pay

Tilly Lawless was the first young, Australian woman I followed who spoke publicly and unapologetically about her work in the sex industry. She is highly educated, articulate, and strikingly nonchalant when describing her experiences in brothels or as a private escort. Tilly has transformed her lived experience into two novels and is currently writing a third, all while continuing to work as an escort in Sydney. Although she does not identify as a sex worker advocate, her TED Talks and books have had a profound impact on sex workers and have played a significant role in educating civilians about the realities of the sex industry. Today, we talk about the impacts of speaking publicly, the scrutiny she received, and how it ultimately led her to step back from the online world. We explore why she never wanted to be a role model, and how she was simply doing what felt right to her, and the high standards forced upon you when you gain an online following