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Angela McDow | Dr. Jerry CoatsExplicit
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Date created
2025/07/24
Latest episode
2026/10/22
Average duration
80 min.
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A weekly podcast exploring the lyrics, lore, and literary legacy of Taylor Swift. Hosted by Angela McDow, the Swiftie, and Dr. Jerry Coats, the Scholar, we read between the lines AND the liner notes. Join us each week for lyrical deep dive through Taylor Swift's eras.
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Art Becomes Memory in Tim McGraw
2026/10/22
In this episode, we are taking it back to the very beginning with Tim McGraw from Taylor Swift’s debut album. Uncle Jerry finds plenty to discuss and is charmed by hearing both young Taylor’s early poetics and her country twang.
Works Cited:
Tug McGraw
In medias res
Free indirect discourse
Alliteration
Metonymy
Signposting
Rasselas – Samuel Johnson
Palimpsest
Enjambment
Frame story or frame structure
Leitmotif
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BONUS: Interview with Sarah Anderson, Author of Fallow
2026/10/20
Today I have something a bit different for you! I sat down with Sarah Anderson, author of Fallow, to discuss getting published, her love of short stories, how she wrote the main character of the book, and so much more. All of the books we discussed are linked below.
Fallow – Sarah Anderson:
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
Take Me to Kirkland – Sarah Anderson: https://joylandpublishing.com/fiction/take-me-to-kirkland/
The Best American Short Stories 2025 – Celeste Ng, Nicole A. Lamy:
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
Marlena – Julie Buntin:
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
Famous Men – Julie Buntin:
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
Health Trackers Are Everywhere. Do Babies Need Them Too? – The Daily:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5QNrdUSF28Vsxla5a0exzK?si=TPgMlCapQwy4AJuqP1ptoQ
Temporary – Hilary Leichter:
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*Libro.fm
The Quick and the Dead – Joy Williams:
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
The Visiting Privilege – Joy Williams:
*Amazon
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*Libro.fm
All Fours – Miranda July
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
The First Bad Man – Miranda July
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
Margo’s Got Money Troubles – Rufi Thorpe
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
East of Eden – John Steinbeck
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
The Maltese Version – Katy Simpson Smith
*Amazon
*Bookshop.org
*Libro.fm
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Folklore as a Unified Literary Work | Wrapping Up Folklore: Part 2
2026/10/15
We did it! One album down, lots to go. Uncle Jerry takes us through alllllll the unifying themes, devices, questions, and more (13 to be exact) of the folklore album as a whole. Thanks for coming on this journey with us!
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Works Cited:
Sonnets from the Portuguese 20: Beloved, my Beloved, when I think – Elizabeth Barrett Browning
*Aurora Leigh: A Norton Critical Edition – Elizabeth Barrett Browning
*Morphology of the Folktale – V. Propp
*The Uses of Enchantment: The Meaning and Importance of Fairy Tales – Bruno Bettelheim
*Fairy Tales and the Art of Subversion – Jack Zipes
*Fairy Tale as Myth/Myth as Fairy Tale – Jack Zipes
*The Oxford Companion to Fairy Tales – Jack Zipes
*The Great Fairy Tale Tradition: A Norton Critical Edition – Jack Zipes
*Literary Theory: An Introduction – Terry Eagleton
*Witches, Ogres, and the Devil's Daughter: Encounters with Evil in Fairy Tales – Mario Jacoby, Verena Kast, Ingrid Riedel
*Retelling / Rereading: The Fate of Storytelling in Modern Times – Karl Kroeber
*Linguistic Criticism – Roger Fowler
*From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers – Marina Warner
*No Go, the Bogeyman: Scaring, Lulling, and Making Mock – Marina Warner
[anyone lived in a pretty how town] – e.e. cummings
Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird – Wallace Stevens
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Lore & Lyrics
Ulysses – James Joyce
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man – James Joyce
*Slaughter-House Five – Kurt Vonnegut
*The Catcher in the Rye – J. D. Salinger
*Adventures of Huckleberry Finn – Mark Twain
Hilary Duff is trying to listen to the healthy part of her brain – Los Angeles Times
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Wrapping Up Folklore: Part 1
2026/10/08
Well, guys, we’ve really stressed Uncle Jerry out with this one. He went so deep on the folklore album as a whole that this episode focuses mostly on the prologue and how it sets up this new style of storytelling, different from all her previous albums. Hope you enjoy, and we’ll see you back here next week for Part 2!
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Works Cited:
*Starship Troopers – Robert A. Heinlein
Folklore (Taylor Swift album)
*Shakespeare's Sonnets & Poems – William Shakespeare
*Sonnets from the Portuguese – Elizabeth Barrett Browning
*Astrophil and Stella – Sir Philip Sidney
Semiotics
The Odyssey – Homer
Beowulf
Dryads
Hulder
Folklore prologue
Daddy – Sylvia Plath
Anecdote of the Jar – Wallace Stevens
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The Despair and Persistence of This is Me Trying
2026/10/01
We’ve made it to the end of the folklore road! Join Uncle Jerry and Angela as they discuss this is me trying, where the duo finds some Typical Taylor, ambiguity, paradox, multiple meanings, and so much more.
Come back for the next two weeks as we wrap-up discussion of the album as a whole.
Works Cited:
Couplets
Heroic couplets
Anaphora
Starship Troopers (1997)
Enjambment
Ellipsis
In medias res
The Odyssey – Homer
Caesura
Why I Write – Joan Didion
Simile
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The Secretive Destruction of Illicit Affairs
2026/09/24
Today we’re covering our penultimate folklore poem with Illicit Affairs. Uncle Jerry finds this song fits perfectly within the category of folklore, and shows us just how Taylor Swift’s use of language showcases the lack of love in this song.
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Works Cited:
Interlocutor
Imperative verb
Dramatic irony
The Book of Jonah
Synecdoche
The Road Not Taken – Robert Frost
Aphorism
Assonance
Alliteration
*The Pleasure of the Text – Roland Barthes
Anaphora
Synesthesia
Sonnet 138 – William Shakespeare
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The Paradox and Parallelism of Peace
2026/09/17
Did we finally find Uncle Jerry’s least favorite folklore poem? And maybe Angela’s too? In this episode, we dissect Peace from Taylor Swift’s 2020 album, and Uncle Jerry finds many paradoxes and double meanings, while struggling to find a window to crawl through into the narrative.
Works Cited:
Paradox
Apostrophe
Synecdoche
I Would Die 4 U – Prince
You’ve Got a Friend in Me – Randy Newman
Easy Silence – The Chicks
Two Sleepy People – Fats Waller
Stuck in the Middle With You – Stealers Wheel
You Are My Sunshine – Jimmie Davis
Standing In The Rain – John Paul Young
Standing In The Rain – Al Green
Standing In The Rain – Electric Light Orchestra
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Time’s Mystic Meandering in Invisible String
2026/09/10
Buckle up, folks. This is a long one! Invisible String is up next in our folklore canon, and Uncle Jerry showed up PREPARED. He and Angela chat through folktales about the red thread, handfasting ceremonies, and more before diving into the poem. They then get into a long and philosophical conversation about fate and predestination and Forrest Gump.
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Works Cited:
All in green went my love riding – e.e. Cummings
Leaves of Grass – Walt Whitman
Red thread of fate
Handfasting
Pope Innocent III and Handfasting
2 Kings 14:21 – 16 as the age of ascension
Epizeuxis
*The Sun Also Rises – Ernest Hemingway
Enjambment
Metanarrative
Synecdoche
Goddesses of Fate
Heart of Darkness – Joseph Conrad
Caesura
Forrest Gump – Winston Groom
Forrest Gump (1994)
Design – Robert Frost
Hap – Thomas Hardy
Proverbs 16:33
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The Lives We Didn’t Live in The 1
2026/09/03
We have the opening track of folklore for you today! Uncle Jerry and Angela discuss the relatable way Taylor Swift writes about the ruminations about the different lives we never got to live during this discussion of The 1.
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Works Cited:
The Windhover – Gerard Manley Hopkins
Ellipsis
Caesura
Ernest Hemingway’s Iceberg Theory
Contrafactuality
Sight rhyme or eye rhyme
*The Great Gatsby – F. Scott Fitzgerald
Trochaic Hexameter
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The Devastating Paradox of Hoax
2026/08/27
In this episode, we are covering Hoax, the closing track from 2020’s folklore. Uncle Jerry starts out a bit iffy on his feelings about the poem, but talking through it with Angela helps him find extra meaning.
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Works Cited:
Anaphora
Ellipsis
Oxymoron
Polysemy
Parallelism
Paradox
Fatalism
Faithless Love – Linda Ronstadt
i sing of Olaf glad and big – e.e. cummings
To a Mouse – Robert Burns
*Of Mice and Men – John Steinbeck
To a Louse – Robert Burns
Jonah 3 – Jonah Goes to Nineveh
Synecdoche
Metanarrative
The Lord’s Prayer
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The Tragedy of Miscommunication in Exile
2026/08/20
Continuing along our folklore journey, this episode covers exile, the collaboration between Taylor Swift and Bon Iver. Uncle Jerry teaches us about different types of exile and how they appear across literature and folk tales. We then dig into the poem and Uncle Jerry admits to Angela that he almost cheated and listened to the song because he was so ready to hear how they spoke over each other.
Also, ICYMI, we will be finishing the entire folklore album. Stay tuned over the next few weeks as we tackle the remaining tracks and then do a comprehensive overview.
Song discussion starts at 19:12
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Works Cited:
Just Give Me a Reason – Pink ft. Nate Ruess
The Divine Comedy – Dante Alighieri
Gilgamesh, Nature, and Civilization
Paradise Lost – John Milton
The Odyssey – Homer
Exile of Ovid
Poems From Exile: Ex Ponto, Book I – Ovid
*Frankenstein – Mary Shelley
*Crime and Punishment – Fyodor Dostoevsky
*Ulysses – James Joyce
*Dubliners – James Joyce
*A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man – James Joyce
Polyphony in Contemporary Literature
Dramatic irony
Assonance
Alliteration
Iambic tetrameter
Iambic trimeter
Ballad meter or common measure
Synecdoche
Phaedrus
Epistrophe
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Finding Life’s Meaning in Epiphany
2026/08/13
We are tackling one of the most underrated tracks from Taylor Swift’s folklore album, epiphany. The poem compares past war tragedies to 2020’s pandemic, and Uncle Jerry uses the poem to teach us about Hemingway’s Iceberg Theory.
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Works Cited:
Wilfred Owen
Siegfried Sassoon
The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner – Randall Jarrell
The Angels at Hamburg – Randall Jarrell
Vignette poems
Rhapsody on a Windy Night – T. S. Eliot
Trochees
Iambs
The Song of Hiawatha – Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Ernest Hemingway’s Iceberg Theory
*Death in the Afternoon – Ernest Hemingway
Caesura
Parallelism
Synecdoche
*The Things They Carried: The Classic Work of American Literature on War, Memory, and Storytelling –Tim O'Brien
*Man's Search for Meaning – Viktor E. Frankl
Sonnet 19: When I consider how my light is spent – John Milton
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Imagined Futures in Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus
2026/08/06
We are back in our Tortured Poets Era with Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus. This song was much-requested and was voted on by our Patreon subscribers. Angela and Uncle Jerry talk through the poem and Uncle Jerry concedes that sometimes we try to find too much meaning in certain images.
Works Cited:
Sadie and Maud – Gwendolyn Brooks
maggie and milly and molly and may – e.e. cummings
[in Just-] – e.e. cummings
Brylcreem commercial
Synecdoche
Sonnet 12 – William Shakespeare
Sonnet 60 – William Shakespeare
Sonnet 73 – William Shakespeare
My Boyfriend’s Back – The Angels
Cold Cold Heart – Hank Williams
Ellipse in Linguistics
To His Coy Mistress – Andrew Marvell
Tricolon
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Finding Agency in Dear John
2026/07/30
We’re back in our Speak Now era with Dear John. Angela explains the lore behind this quintessential track 5 from Taylor Swift, and Uncle Jerry talks himself into being a fan of this poem.
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Works Cited:
Dear John Letter
Agnes von Kurowsky
*A Farewell to Arms – Ernest Hemingway
A Dear John Letter – Jean Shepard & Ferlin Husky
Dear John Letter – Whitney Houston
Epistolary frame
Poetic Inversion
Dramatic Irony
Metapoetry
Metonymy
The Scholar-Gipsy – Matthew Arnold
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The Peak of Innocence in Seven
2026/07/23
This week is the one year podcast anniversary, and Angela saved this song especially for this episode. But before we tackle seven from folklore, Angela and Uncle Jerry reflect on the past year and Angela surprises him with a little quiz to see just how much he’s learned about Taylor Swift and swiftie culture.
Thanks for being here with us!
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Works Cited:
7 as the number of completion
Apostrophe
Imperatives
Pastoral PoetryDramatic Irony
Assonance
To His Coy Mistress – Andrew Marvell
American Primitive – Mary Oliver*
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steph from tx 2026/09/12
Delightful
I don’t think you could call me a Swiftie, but I’ve always been a fan. I’m really enjoying the literary discussions and discovering more about Taylor’...
LitSwiftie 2026/08/28
Love!
As someone who is an absolute Swiftie and someone who has both a BA and a MA in English, this is absolutely perfect for my brain. My only gripe is the...
Stuckimoderate 2026/08/24
Great Podcast!
I really enjoy this podcast. As a relatively new fan of Taylor Swift, I am appreciative of the literary analysis, and I’ve learned a lot about some s...
me🍍 2026/08/13
An absolute delight
This podcast has ~swiftly~ become one of my favorites. It has the best lyrical analysis! My dad has become even more of a Swiftie than me and it has b...
JDog1994 2026/08/06
LOVE
Absolutely OBSESSED with Dr uncle Jerry and his journey to becoming a swiftie! This is hands down my favorite swiftie podcast and I love learning new ...
Pengy_0612 2026/07/30
Great but the giggling.
I really enjoy this podcast. The insights into lyrics and literary references by the scholar are phenomenal. I think the swiftie is bubbly and uplifti...
Jesse E.P. 2026/07/27
My favorite music podcast!
Thursday is my favorite day of the week thanks to this podcast! It teaches me something new every week, makes me laugh, and I feel connected to Angela...
MVBAILEY 2026/07/03
great listening!
I love listening to the break down of all of Taylor’s songs. You both have brought new meaning to her lyrics and shed light on certain portions of son...
Gem RN 2026/06/25
My favorite podcast!
I can’t rave enough about this podcast! Everything about it is so good! I love the energy between Angela and Uncle Jerry, Dr Uncle Jerry’s dissecting ...
Smw05312219 2026/06/04
Love! Love! Love!
Thank you for highlighting Taylor’s exceptional writing. I have learned so much listening to you both. It’s so fun! We need some merch! 🫶
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