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Show NotesThis conversation first aired in December 2025 and remains one of our most-requested episodes. We're resharing it for anyone who missed it the first time.In this edition of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer sits down with Carrie Ann Cleveland, Director of Cleveland Family Counseling and a licensed marriage and family therapist, for a clear-eyed conversation about gaslighting, narcissistic abuse, and the lasting toll both take on mental and emotional health. Carrie Ann draws the line between an ordinary disagreement and a deliberate manipulation tactic, unpacks the unpredictable dynamics of relationships with narcissists, and offers grounded, usable guidance for recognizing these patterns—in clients, in colleagues, and sometimes in our own lives. For the professionals who sit across from survivors, this is a conversation about naming what's really happening and helping people find their footing again. 🌟 Topics Covered:The clinical definition of gaslighting and the trauma it producesWhat distinguishes narcissistic abuse from ordinary conflictHow narcissism shows up at work, in families, in churches, and in nonprofitsThe core behaviors and mindset that drive narcissistic abuseLove bombing and the arc of gaslighting over timeThe financial, social, and medical risks of prolonged exposureBoundaries, disengagement, and the reality of leavingWhere survivors and the professionals who treat them can find support Key Takeaways:Gaslighting works by eroding a person's trust in their own perception of reality—naming the tactic is the first step to disarming it.Narcissistic abuse is fundamentally about power and control, which is why it surfaces in so many settings beyond the home.Narcissistic personality disorder is one of the few conditions where the person rarely seeks treatment while everyone around them ends up in therapy.Manipulation doesn't always look hostile; sometimes it arrives as excessive affection, or "love bombing."Recovery is possible, and expert guides, organizations, and practical tools exist to support both survivors and clinicians. Some Questions I Ask:What is gaslighting, really, and how is it different from a normal disagreement?What makes narcissistic abuse so traumatic for the people who experience it?Why does the narcissist so rarely end up in the therapy room?How does love bombing fit into the larger pattern of gaslighting?What does the arc of gaslighting look like as a relationship unfolds?What are the real costs—financial, social, medical—of staying?How does someone begin to protect themselves and set boundaries?Where can people turn for support and reliable information? Learn More About Our Guest:Website: clevelandfamilycounseling.comEmail: [email protected] Resource List:Organizations mentioned: Cleveland Family Counseling (Carrie Ann Cleveland's practice) #NarcissisticAbuse#Gaslighting#MentalHealth#EmotionalHealth#TraumaRecovery#HealthyRelationships#MESHPodcast#PamelaBrewer#CarrieAnnCleveland#TherapyResources

What if the very wounds that drew you into helping others are also the ones quietly putting you at risk of burnout? On this thoughtful and deeply affirming episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes back Dr. Adam McCormick, professor of social work at St. Edward's University and author of Healing the Helping Professional: The Unfinished Business of Childhood Trauma. 💛 Together they turn the familiar phrase "hurt people hurt people" on its head, exploring how so many caregivers, clinicians, and helpers were shaped by early adversity into people of remarkable kindness, compassion, and emotional intuition. Dr. McCormick shares his own story of growing up as his father's "social worker," unpacks why the same gifts that make us extraordinary at this work can leave us most vulnerable to compassion fatigue, and offers a hopeful path forward through self-awareness, supervision, and reconnecting with our authentic needs. This is an empowering conversation for anyone in a helping role who has ever wondered whether there's room in this work for them, too. 🌟 Topics Covered: Why healing professionals benefit from examining their own pastReframing "hurt people hurt people" as "hurt people help people"One-over and one-under adaptations from childhood traumaHow emotional intuition becomes both a gift and a vulnerabilityThe real reason self-care advice so often falls flatSupervision as a space for modeling and supportAttachment versus authenticity in childhoodCompassion fatigue and the two buckets of helping work Key takeaways: The wounds that shaped you can make you an exceptional, compassionate helper.Ask "what happened to me?" rather than "what's wrong with me?"You can't care for a self you've become disconnected from..Sustainable caregiving means actively filling the bucket of compassion satisfaction.Learn more about our guest: Book: Healing the Helping Professional: The Unfinished Business of Childhood Trauma (published through NASW Press)Weekly author newsletter on trauma-related topics (linked via LinkedIn)LinkedIn: Dr. Adam McCormickDr. Adam McCormick is a professor of social work at St. Edward's University and an author, educator, and trauma-informed care trainer Resource List: Books mentioned: Healing the Helping Professional: The Unfinished Business of Childhood Trauma by Dr. Adam McCormickPrograms mentioned: Trauma-informed care training for communities and practitionersOrganizations mentioned: St. Edward's University; NASW Press (National Association of Social Workers Press)patreon.com/meshjourney #HelpingProfessionals #Trauma #CompassionFatigue #WoundedHealer #SocialWork #MentalHealth #SelfAwareness #TraumaInformed #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #AdamMcCormick #Burnout

What if a trip to the dentist is about far more than your teeth—about health, history, access, and who gets to see themselves reflected in the people who care for them? On this illuminating episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Leo E. Rouse, Dean Emeritus of the Howard University College of Dentistry, the first African American president of the American Dental Education Association, and former commander of the Army Dental Command. 💛 With warmth and quiet authority, Dr. Rouse traces his path from a wax-carving third grader inspired by his family dentist to a 50-year career devoted to breaking paradigms and holding doors open for others. He makes a compelling case that oral health is total health, explains why representation in dentistry is a genuine concern when only 3.8% of U.S. dentists are African American, and shares the legacy captured in the book Undaunted Trailblazers. This is a rich, hopeful conversation about mentorship, legacy, and the truth that becoming a trailblazer means holding the door wide open for everyone who follows. 🌟 Topics Covered:Why representation in dentistry matters for a 14% population served by 3.8% of dentistsThe deep link between oral health and total body healthBreaking the historical paradigm of mistrust in careMentorship, role models, and seeing yourself in othersA 28-year Army dentistry career devoted to equitable careThe legacy of HBCUs like Howard University in training dentistsThe book Undaunted Trailblazers and the stories it preservesDiversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging in the professions Key takeaways:Oral health is total health—your mouth can reveal diseases throughout the body.Representation matters; seeing yourself reflected in a profession is powerful.Mentorship can plant a seed that grows into a lifelong calling.HBCUs remain vital to training clinicians, researchers, and leaders.Trailblazing means holding the door wide open, not just ajar. Learn more about our guest:Book: Undaunted Trailblazers 2: Contemporary Men of Color Shaping Oral Health (co-authored with Dr. Jean Sinkford, Dr. Keith Mays, and Dr. Todd Ester)Dr. Leo E. Rouse is Dean Emeritus of the Howard University College of Dentistry, the first African American president of the American Dental Education Association board of directors, past president of the American College of Dentists, and former commander of the Army Dental Commandpatreon.com/meshjourney Resource List:Books mentioned: Undaunted Trailblazers 2: Contemporary Men of Color Shaping Oral Health; the U.S. Surgeon General's report on oral health (2000), authored under Dr. David SatcherOrganizations mentioned: Howard University College of Dentistry; Meharry Medical College; American Dental Education Association; American College of Dentists; U.S. Army Dental Command #OralHealth #Dentistry #Representation #HBCU #HowardUniversity #HealthEquity #Mentorship #Trailblazers #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #LeoRouse #TotalHealth #DrLeoRouse #HBCU’S

What if fear didn't get to decide your next step—and resilience was simply a choice you could make again each morning? On this energizing episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Michelle Kuei, founder of Elevate Life Coaching, for a conversation about courage, choice, and the quiet power of refusing to let expectations become your reality. 💛 Michelle shares the remarkable story of hiking 26 miles to the summit of Machu Picchu—on two crutches, at four feet four inches tall—and what that four-day journey taught her about belonging, possibility, and who she really is. Along the way, she offers her "Five C's" framework for building resilience, a practical reframing exercise anyone can try today, and a liberating truth: courage, like fear, is already inside you. This is a warm, galvanizing conversation for anyone who has ever felt too different, too afraid, or too anything to begin. 🌟 Topics Covered:How resilience begins with a single daily choiceThe Five C's: choice, commitment, courage, connection, confidenceLessons from hiking Machu Picchu on crutchesWhy fear and courage are both already within youTurning discomfort into useful informationThe role of accountability and communityA simple reframing exercise for negative self-talkMoving from "comfortable" toward courageous Key takeaways:Resilience starts with recognizing the choices you make every single day.Courage isn't found outside you—it's already within, waiting to be cultivated.You can be fearful and courageous at the same time; fear doesn't have to decide.Discomfort is information, not a stop sign.Connection and accountability help you stick to the choices you make.You can reframe the story you tell yourself—one neutral or positive line at a time. Some questions I ask:What are your thoughts about how to overcome fear and build resilience?Can you tell us about hiking Machu Picchu on crutches?What did you learn about yourself at the end of that journey?Can you falter along the way, and what do you do then?You coach other coaches—help me understand that.Can you be courageous and fearful at the same time?What do you say to someone who feels too different, too old, or too afraid to begin? Learn more about our guest:Website: elevatelifecoaching.org (her story, her book, and her work as a marketing coach)Michelle Kuei is the founder of Elevate Life Coaching, a clinical pharmacist of over 20 years, an International Coach Federation–certified coach, author, speaker, and business and marketing coach for coachesResource List:Books mentioned: Michelle Kuei's book (available via elevatelifecoaching.org)Programs mentioned: Elevate Life Coaching; business and marketing coaching for coachespatreon.com/meshjourney #Resilience #OvercomingFear #Courage #LifeCoaching #Mindset #PersonalGrowth #Confidence #Choice #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #MichelleKuei #Empowerment #Dr.PamelaBrewer #Bravery

Show NotesWhat if the behavior we're quickest to punish is actually a wound asking to be understood? On this profound episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Adam McCormick, a professor of social work at St. Edward's University, author, and facilitator of trauma and masculinity groups for boys and young men in the foster care and criminal legal systems. 💛 With deep compassion and clarity, Dr. McCormick reframes trauma not as the terrible things that happen to a young person, but as the wound left behind—and the stories a child constructs to make sense of it. He explains why boys so often push away the very connection they need to heal, how the most rigid institutions hold the most wounded young people, and why accountability and compassion can absolutely coexist. Through a striking story of a young man placed in 26 different foster homes, Dr. McCormick reveals both the depth of the harm and the profound hope at the center of his work: while we can't rewrite what happened, the meaning a young person makes of it is negotiable—and connection is what heals. This is a moving, illuminating conversation for parents, caregivers, helpers, and anyone who loves someone carrying old wounds. 🌟 Topics Covered: Understanding trauma as the wound, not just the eventWhy boys often can't access what they need to healThe stories traumatized children construct—and confirmHow rigid, punitive systems deepen traumaWhy boys are hungry, not reluctant, to open upHolding accountability and compassion togetherThe brilliance of a child's survival adaptationsConnection as the only true path to healing Key takeaways: Trauma is the  meaning we make of the wound—not simply the event itself.Boys often push away the connection they most need to heal.The most punitive systems tend to hold the most traumatized young people.Accountability and compassion can, and should, coexist.Connection and relationship are the only true path to healing trauma. Learn more about our guest: Book: "Healing the Helping Professional: The Unfinished Business of Childhood Trauma"Weekly author newsletter on trauma-related topics (linked via LinkedIn)LinkedIn: Dr. Adam McCormickhttps://www.stedwards.edu/directory/sociology-social-work/adam-mccormickResource List: Books mentioned: "Healing the Helping Professional: The Unfinished Business of Childhood Trauma" by Dr. Adam McCormickPrograms mentioned: Trauma and masculinity groups for boys and young men in foster care and criminal legal systemsOrganizations mentioned: St. Edward's University, Austin, Texas  #Trauma #TraumaInformed #Masculinity #FosterCare #Healing #MentalHealth #BoysAndTrauma #Connection #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #DrAdamMcCormick #ChildhoodTrauma

What does it really mean to be on the autism spectrum—and how can we build a world that meets people where they are? In this warm and illuminating episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Alisha Simpson-Watt, a social worker, board-certified behavior analyst, author, and founder of Collaborative ABA Services. 💛 Drawing on both her professional expertise and her experience as the parent of a child on the spectrum, Alisha helps us understand autism as it truly is: not a one-size-fits-all diagnosis, but a spectrum that looks different across individuals and across a lifespan. She walks us through what autism can look like in children and adults, why early support matters, and how to talk about a diagnosis with family members who may be reluctant to hear it. Throughout, Alisha offers a message of grace and hope—reminding parents that a diagnosis is not their fault, that inclusion means adjusting our world rather than the person, and that focusing on a child's strengths changes everything. This is a compassionate, myth-busting conversation for parents, partners, employers, and anyone who wants to understand the spectrum more deeply. 🌟 Topics Covered: What autism is, and why it's understood as a spectrumHow autism can present in children versus adultsRecognizing developmental milestones and early signsReleasing parental blame and self-judgmentTalking about a diagnosis with reluctant family membersThe meaning and value of true inclusionReasonable accommodations at work and schoolWhat current science says about causes and vaccines Key takeaways: Autism is a spectrum—it looks different across individuals and across a lifespan.A diagnosis is not a parent's fault; give yourself grace and seek support early.Focusing on a child's strengths and needs is more helpful than focusing on a label.True inclusion means adjusting our environment and expectations, not the person.Reasonable accommodations are often simple, and protected by law.There is no scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism. Some questions I ask: What does it mean to be autistic, or to be on the spectrum?What does struggling with changes in routine actually look like?Are there adults on the spectrum, and how might it present?How early can a child be diagnosed, and what should parents watch for?Is an autism diagnosis the parent's fault?How can parents explain the diagnosis to reluctant family members?What does inclusion really mean when working with children?Do vaccines cause autism? Learn more about our guest: Website: www.collaborativeabaservices.comBook: "It's Okay, Maddie: A Story About Autism, Big Feelings and Learning to Cope" (includes a resource guide for adult readers)YouTube: Collaborative ABA Services — the "Collab Talk" seriesInstagram: Leading With AlishaLinkedIn: Alisha Simpson-Watt #Autism #AutismAwareness #AutismSpectrum #Inclusion #Neurodiversity #ABA #ParentingSupport #SpecialNeeds #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #AlishaSimpsonWatt #AutismAcceptance

What does it mean to finally exhale after holding your breath for years? In this deeply moving episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Daphne Joy, who shares her personal healing journey with remarkable honesty and grace. 💛 Haitian-born and raised in a predominantly white environment far from her culture and community, Daphne describes the fragmentation that came from suppressing who she was—and the profound relief of being fully immersed, for the first time, in spaces where she was seen, welcomed, and simply talked to rather than talked past. She opens up about the pain of transracial adoption, the loss of her language and culture, and the honorary adoption by an American Black family that became one of the most healing experiences of her life. Throughout, Daphne Joy offers hope and hard-won wisdom for anyone at the start of their own healing: don't give up, don't let others define your path, and if you don't know where to begin, begin with writing. This is a tender, powerful conversation about identity, belonging, and the courage it takes to become whole. 🌟 Topics Covered: Healing from trauma, displacement, and a fragmented sense of identityWhy immersion in BIPOC spaces was so pivotalThe difference between being talked to and talked pastThe impact of transracial adoption on a child's identityLosing—and reclaiming—language and cultureThe healing power of honorary family and belongingThriving despite difficult beginningsWriting and journaling as a starting point for healing Learn more about our guest: Facebook: Daphne JoyYouTube & Instagram: Cultivating DaphneSubstack: Daphne Joy (where she shares the deeper parts of her story)Daphne Joy is a returning M.E.S.H. guest sharing her ongoing healing journey and her search for her biological family Resource List: patreon.com/meshjourney #Healing #Identity #TransracialAdoption #Belonging #Community #MentalHealth #SelfDiscovery #Wholeness #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #DaphneJoy #HealingJourney

Some conversations couldn't be more timely, or more necessary. On this important episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Jeffrey Gardere, a board-certified clinical psychologist, professor of behavioral medicine, and one of the most respected voices in the field. 💛 Together they explore the mental health of African American teens, who carry not only the universal challenges of adolescence but also the added weight of racism, violence, social media pressure, and uncertainty about the future. Dr. Gardere speaks candidly about the very real fears facing parents of Black children, the generational advice passed from his own parents to his sons, and the way depression in young Black males is so often masked as anger, isolation, or self-destructive behavior. Most importantly, he offers parents and caregivers a compassionate path forward: create physical and psychological safety, truly listen, and model what healthy emotional expression looks like. This is a candid, deeply human conversation about pain, resilience, and the enduring power of love and being heard. 🌟 Topics Covered:The unique mental health pressures facing African American teensThe real fears of parents raising Black childrenHow systemic racism affects young people's self-imageRecognizing masked depression in young Black malesWhy anger and isolation can be signs of pain, not dangerThe shortage of clinicians and the need for cultural competencePractical first steps for parents and caregivers Key Takeaways:African American teens face the universal challenges of adolescence plus added burdens.Depression in young Black males is often masked as anger, silence, or self-destructive behavior.Living with racism can affect a young person's self-image and mental health.Parents can help by creating safety, listening closely, and modeling emotional expression.Cultural competence in clinicians matters for everyone who provides care.Learn more about our guest:Website: drjeffgardere.com (links to social media and additional resources)Dr. Jeffrey Gardere is a board-certified clinical psychologist, professor of behavioral medicine at the Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine, associate director of training for a PsyD program, and maintains a private practice Resource List:Programs mentioned: Dr. Gardere's stress-reduction workshops and counseling services for global law firmsOrganizations mentioned: Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine; Touro University #BlackMentalHealth #TeenMentalHealth #Depression #Parenting #Racism #MentalHealthAwareness #CulturalCompetence #Healing #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #DrJeffGardere #YouthWellbeing

What if creativity isn't a rare gift reserved for artists, but a birthright every one of us carries—and can reclaim? On this thought-provoking episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Andre Walton, an author, TEDx speaker, and researcher who has spent two decades studying creativity and using it to help people move through burnout, stress, and anxiety. 💡 With warmth and clarity, Dr. Walton makes the case that we were all creative as children, and that socialization, fear of mistakes, and the pressure to conform can dim that spark over time. He explores why conformity is "the jailer of freedom," how perfectionism quietly shuts creativity down, and why genuine creative thinking requires the courage to be vulnerable. Along the way, he offers practical wisdom for introducing new ideas at work, finding supportive "champions," and creating the conditions for creativity to flourish. This is an empowering conversation about individuality, growth, and the reminder that your creative bone is there—you just have to look for it. 🌟 Topics Covered:Why creativity is a fundamental human assetWhether we're born creative or learn to beHow conformity and fear of mistakes suppress creativityIntroducing new ideas in resistant workplacesThe link between perfectionism and stifled creativityWhy creativity requires vulnerabilityCreative thinking as a path to growthFinding like-minded people to support your creativity Key Takeaways:Creativity is a birthright—we were all creative as children.Conformity and fear of mistakes are among creativity's biggest enemies.Perfectionism can shut down your ideas before they fully form.Creative thinking is a way of thinking, not just making art.Vulnerability and the courage to be yourself fuel real creativity.Finding supportive, like-minded people helps your creativity thrive. Learn more about our guest:Book: "Creative Thinking: A Coach's Perspective"Ask a question: askdrandre.comWebsite: planforchange.orgDr. Andre Walton is an author, TEDx speaker, and creativity researcher and coachResource List:Books mentioned: "Creative Thinking: A Coach's Perspective" by Dr. Andre WaltonPrograms mentioned: Dr. Walton's creativity coaching for innovation, burnout, stress, and anxiety #Creativity #CreativeThinking #Innovation #PersonalGrowth #Perfectionism #Vulnerability #Burnout #MentalHealth #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #DrAndreWalton #ThinkDifferently

What happens after a diagnosis that many people believe defines an entire life? In this powerful and hopeful episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes author Swiyyah Nadira Woodard, who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and is here to tell a very different story than the one stigma expects. 💛 With remarkable candor and warmth, Swiyyah shares the confusion of her early diagnosis, why she initially resisted medication, and the moment a compassionate pharmacist reframed everything with a single conversation. She talks about writing her book, "Don't Call Me Crazy, I'm Just in Love," building a speaking career, marrying a supportive partner, and living a full and meaningful life. Along the way, she offers practical wisdom: take ownership of your care, make recovery a group effort, learn everything about your diagnosis, involve your family, and don't keep your story a secret. This is a conversation about possibility, and the healing power of telling your testimony—a reminder that a diagnosis can be a beginning, not an ending. 🌟 Topics Covered:The confusion and stigma surrounding an early diagnosisWhy some patients resist medication—and what can change their mindsReframing medication as ordinary, not shamefulDispelling myths about what mental illness "looks like"The role of family, triggers, and a plan of actionThe healing power of sharing your testimony Key Takeaways:A mental health diagnosis is not a life sentence—a full, meaningful life is possible.A diagnosis is not your fault.Recovery works best as a group effort with your care team Learning everything you can about your diagnosis is empowering.Sharing your story can heal both you and the people who hear it.Believing in yourself, even when you're scared, opens real possibilities. Learn more about our guest:Book: "Don't Call Me Crazy, I'm Just in Love" — fiction inspired by her true story, available on AmazonSwiyyah Nadira Woodard is an author, speaker, and mental health advocate who has spoken nationally and been featured in local mediaResource List:Books mentioned: "Don't Call Me Crazy, I'm Just in Love" by Swiyyah Nadira WoodardOrganizations mentioned: NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) — NAMI.org #MentalHealth #Schizophrenia #MentalHealthAwareness #Recovery #EndTheStigma #Hope #MentalHealthAdvocate #NAMI #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #SwiyyahWoodard #Healing

Some conversations stay with you long after they end. In this deeply moving episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes an old and dear friend, Selma Rodriguez, who lived through Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico in 2017.  With extraordinary honesty, Selma recounts the night the storm sounded like a train tearing through her yard, the four long months without electricity, the nerve-wracking pre-dawn waits for gas, and the health consequences she carries to this day. But this is more than a story of hardship—it's a testament to resilience, faith, family, and the profound importance of showing up for one another. Selma shares what disaster survivors truly need, why the aftermath can be as devastating as the storm itself, and a tender reminder not to forget the children caught in the middle. This is a conversation about survival, courage, and the humanity that, as Selma says, keeps us whole. 🌟 Topics Covered:What Hurricane Maria was truly like on the ground in Puerto RicoThe gap between expected and actual disaster reliefHow communities came together to help one anotherThe often-invisible health consequences of disasterThe real human toll versus early official countsWhy we must remember children in times of crisis Key Takeaways:The aftermath of a disaster can be as devastating as the event itself.Community and mutual aid are lifelines when official help is slow to arrive.Disaster carries hidden, long-term health consequences beyond the immediate damage.Even small, practical acts of help—food, medicine, a toy for a child—can be life-changing.Isolation deepens the pain of disaster; connection and support matter enormously.Resilience, faith, and family can carry people through the unimaginable. Learn more about our guest:Selma Rodriguez joined the conversation from San Juan, Puerto Rico, sharing her firsthand experience of surviving Hurricane Maria.Resource List:Organizations mentioned: FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) #HurricaneMaria #PuertoRico #Resilience #DisasterRecovery #Survival #Community #MentalHealth #Humanity #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #DisasterRelief #Hope

What if one of the most powerful forms of self-care has been playing in the background of your life all along? On this joyful, soul-filling episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Lady Myrrh, a Washington, DC and Maryland-based musical artist, radio host, and lifelong music historian whose blend of jazz, R&B, and neo soul has made her a beloved fixture in the region. 🎶 Lady Myrrh shares how music became her companion as an only child, how the blues became her therapy, and how a single song can leave you lighter than you started. From the storytelling roots of Delta blues to sneaking gospel as a minister's daughter, she traces a lifetime set to music—and offers warm, practical encouragement for anyone who wants to begin using music more intentionally. Her invitation is simple and generous: start with a song you love, crack the door, and let music carry you through. This is a conversation that will leave you reaching for your favorite playlist with new appreciation. 🌟 Topics Covered:Music as an everyday, accessible form of self-careThe history and healing power of the bluesHow storytelling in music helps us feel less aloneUsing music to express emotions that are hard to voiceDiscovering different genres and what each one offersTurning to specific songs in moments of grief or hurtHow a preacher's-daughter upbringing shaped a musical lifeSimple ways for a "music newbie" to begin exploring Key Takeaways:Music is an accessible form of self-care—it's already all around you.The blues isn't about staying sad; its stories can leave you lighter and more hopeful.Music can express the emotions we struggle to put into words.A single meaningful song can carry you through grief, hurt, or a hard day.You don't need expertise to begin—start with one song you love and explore from there.Music can be a companion, a release, and a way to "step in rhythm" through problems. Learn more about our guest:WPFW 89.3 FM (Washington, DC) — blues show; stream at WPFWFM.org or via the WPFW / Jazz and Justice appWOWD (Takoma Park, MD) — "Borderlines," all genres; 94.3 FM or TakomaRadio.orgCD featuring original songs - her favorite is "Even My Cash Is Bouncing" KEY WORDS#MusicAsSelfCare #Blues #Jazz #NeoSoul #MentalHealth #Healing #MusicTherapy #SelfCare #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #LadyMyrrh #CommunityRadio #WPFW89.3FM#WOWD94.3FM

How do children really grieve—and why do we so often miss it? On this deeply moving episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Kelly Edmondson, a nurse executive, certified grief counselor, and founder of Timely Presence, an organization she created after the sudden loss of her 28-year-old son. 💛 With extraordinary openness, Kelly shares her own story and then turns toward the children in our lives, helping us understand that just because kids grieve differently doesn't mean they grieve less. From the danger of well-meaning phrases like "grandpa went to sleep," to the compounded grief of a child who lost a parent they never knew, to the very real heartbreak of a lost toy or a missed team, Kelly offers compassionate, practical wisdom. Her "three R's"—regulate, respond, remain—give parents and caregivers a gentle framework for showing up. This is a tender, hopeful conversation about helping children feel seen, heard, and safe, and about how loss can reshape us without defining us. 🌟 Topics Covered:How children grieve differently than adults—but no less deeplyWhy clarity matters more than protective euphemismsMagical thinking and the literal minds of young childrenCompounded grief and losing a parent never knownHonoring loss when the other parent is absent or estrangedTreating a child's lost toy or missed team as real griefThe "three R's" of guiding any loss: regulate, respond, remainModeling healthy emotion instead of emotional perfection Key Takeaways:Children grieve fully, even when their grief looks like play and joy.Clear, honest language protects children more than softening euphemisms.A child's "small" loss is real loss—your job is to help them feel seen, heard, and safe.Regulate yourself, respond to their need, and remain present over time.It's healthy to let children see you grieve, within steady, supportive limits.Loss reshapes us, but with care and connection, it doesn't have to define us. Learn more about our guest:Organization: Timely Presence — sends meaningful gifts on emotionally charged days like birthdays, holidays, and anniversariesWebsite: thetimelypresence.comInstagram & Facebook: Timely PresenceLinkedIn: Kelly Edmondson KEY WORDS#ChildhoodGrief #GriefSupport #Parenting #Loss #Healing #MentalHealth #ChildrenAndGrief #EmotionalHealth #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #KellyEdmondson #Mourning

Grief touches all of us—so why are we so rarely given permission to feel it fully? On this moving episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer welcomes Dr. Shalanda, a licensed psychotherapist whose expertise spans both the loss of loved ones and the quieter griefs that accompany major life changes. 💛 Together they unpack why grief is at once universal and deeply individual, how rigid "recovery boxes" at work can do more harm than good, and what happens when one partner needs to talk while the other stays silent. Dr. Shalanda generously shares her own story of loss and the single conversation that helped both her and her husband begin to heal. Whether you're grieving a person, a pet, a career, or a chapter of your life that's quietly closed, this conversation offers compassion, perspective, and gentle, practical ways to move toward healing on your own terms.  🌟 Topics Covered: Why grief is universal yet completely individual The "mediator of mourning" and what shapes how we grieve Grieving a pet, a career, a home, or a major transition What happens when couples grieve on different timelines How stuffed emotions show up as physical pain Practical ways to process loss—journaling, talking, recording Finding support systems, groups, and affordable help  Key Takeaways: Grief has no universal timeline—your process is valid even if it looks different from others'. Letting emotions out, in whatever form works for you, is healing, not weakness. Unexpressed grief can settle into the body as real physical pain. One honest conversation can open the door to mutual healing. Loss isn't only about death—career change, moving, and even "positive" change can bring grief. If you feel alone, support exists: people, groups, and sliding-scale help are within reach.  Some questions I ask: Are there really stages of grief, or is that a myth? What do you say to someone given only two weeks to grieve a profound loss? Could coming back to work too soon actually hurt productivity more than being absent? What do you tell couples where one wants to talk constantly and the other never? How were you able to access your husband's willingness to talk? What can you say to the person who insists they're "done" and won't talk? What would you say to someone feeling completely alone in their loss? Can a positive change still bring real grief?  Learn more about our guest: YouTube: @tookeswilderguidance Instagram: ShalandaSays  Resource List: Programs mentioned: GriefShare support groups (volunteer-led, often church-based, possible small supply fee with affordability accommodations)  #Grief #GriefSupport #Loss #Healing #MentalHealth #Mourning #GriefAndWork #EmotionalHealth #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #CouplesGrief #SelfCare

What if the simplest act of getting dressed each morning is quietly shaping how you feel, think, and show up in the world? On this episode of M.E.S.H., Dr. Pamela Brewer talks with Dr. Sarah Seung-McFarland, a licensed psychologist specializing in fashion and design psychology and the founder of Trulery. 👗  Together they unpack the surprising science connecting our clothing, our living spaces, and our emotional wellbeing. Dr. Seung-McFarland shares how wardrobes and environments can serve as everyday support for our identity, our goals, and even our mental health—not as a cure, but as one of the most accessible tools we have for living intentionally. This is a warm, eye-opening conversation that invites you to look at your closet, your home, and your daily choices with fresh, compassionate curiosity. 🌟 Topics Covered:How clothing functions as support for your identity and goals"Clothes cognition" and the power of symbolic dressingWhy you don't have to follow every trend to feel goodUsing color, scent, and sound intentionally for wellbeingFashion as an accessible, daily form of self-care Key Takeaways:Your clothing can reinforce the life and identity you're working toward.Start with what you genuinely like; it points you toward who you want to be.Comfort matters more than trends—if you're uncomfortable, it shows.Your space reflects and affects your emotional functioning, just like your wardrobe.Getting dressed is a nonverbal conversation with yourself and the world.Style and surroundings won't cure deeper struggles, but they can genuinely support your wellbeing. Some questions I ask:Where do I even start when I look at my closet?Can you actually see anxiety in someone's home?How do you begin with an everyday client who isn't a "fashionista"?Do people connect what they grew up with to how they present themselves now?What happens when a couple has completely different styles?Is there a message behind dressing in very little, or is it just trend-chasing?Do colors say something specific about us? Learn more about our guest:Business: Trulery — vintage shop, consultation, and styling, expanding into an e-commerce editorial siteWebsite: trulery.com (T-R-U-L-E-R-Y.com)Instagram: @trulery_ (trulery underscore)Services: Mini style consults for single needs, and  fuller assessments including an "environmental autobiography" for your space #FashionPsychology #DesignPsychology #SelfCare #MentalHealth #StyleAndIdentity #Wellbeing #ClothesCognition #IntentionalLiving #MESHPodcast #PamelaBrewer #PersonalStyle #EmotionalHealth#SocialHealth#PersonalStyle