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Katie Whitlock welcomes Jeremy back to Early Access to give him space to tell the fuller story of his life—one shaped by adoption, poverty, faith, creativity, grief, and extraordinary loss. With care and honesty, Jeremy shares the long arc of his journey, including the trauma of surviving a violent attack that took the life of his closest friend, and the slow, difficult work of carrying grief without letting it hollow him out. Warning: this episode includes graphic discussion of violence and domestic abuse and is not appropriate for children or sensitive listeners.

In this Early Access conversation, Katie sits down with Jeremy (“Remy”), an Enneagram Four from Texas whose life has moved through music, church work, divorce, and the long aftershocks of abandonment. Together they get underneath the classic Four questions—wanting to be “not misunderstood,” protecting a kind of mystery, and carrying a quiet fear that people will leave once they’ve seen too much. Jeremy tells the story of watching his father hand his mother divorce papers in kindergarten, then later losing his job, his mother, and his marriage—experiences that shaped both his intensity and his caution. From there, the episode pivots into healing: what it means for Fours to realize they’re already “glorious,” to stop chasing constant extraordinariness, and to learn how the ordinary can still hold real beauty. The conversation also gets timely, exploring how social media and algorithm-driven platforms raise the threshold for what feels meaningful—flattening art, attention, and even identity into “what will perform.” Jeremy offers a grounded, artist’s critique of the attention economy, and Jeff closes by teeing up a part two—because they only scratched the surface of Jeremy’s story.

Katie talks to Emi, a local friend who is also a 3! We talk about what it feels like to present only your best self, slowing down, and the benefits of joining enneagram spaces.

Connect with Katie : HERE In this Early Access episode, Katie Whitlock sits down with Meg—32, a Type Three, newly certified as an Enneagram teacher through the Narrative Enneagram, and also a practicing therapist who integrates the Enneagram into her counseling work. Meg and Katie explore what it actually takes to become certified in the Narrative tradition (typing interviews, guided questions, hosting panels, and learning through lived stories rather than “textbook types”), along with the posture behind it: typing as an offering, not a verdict. From there the conversation turns personal and very Three-specific—how Meg’s “threeness” formed in evangelical spaces where vulnerability and spiritual performance carried social reward, how stage leadership (worship leading) sharpened her instincts, and how the real work isn’t talking about feelings—it’s staying in the body long enough to feel them.

Katie talks to BJ about 2ness! We discuss why being a male 2 can make you feel different from your friends, the deep wish to be invited into someone's life, and how pride can worm its way into a 2's life without warning. Find BJ on Instagram at @monty_queso Find BJ on Blue Sky at @montyqueso.bsky.social

Katie wraps up her conversations with 1s in this final episode. Marguerite discusses what it feels like to owe people the best version of yourself, her search for a structured life, and the pull that 1s feel to fix what they see going wrong. Check out Marguerite's Doula services here: https://lyrehcdoulatherapy.com/

Continuing our journey through 1ness, Katie talks to Olivia this week. We discuss anxiety (and why it doesn’t always apply to all reactive types), trusting yourself, and what it means to experience true intuition. If you are interested in applying to be guest : GO HERE

I get to talk to my cousin Sara about being a 1 and everything that comes with it. We talk about being the eldest daughter/cousin, feeling responsible for others and their choices, and meeting our problems with action. We also get into the different ways that we deal with grief.

Katie talks to her friend Kayci about what it feels like to be a reactive doer. We talk obligation, anger, and the struggle of juggling what you want vs the expectations of others.

Apply to be interviewed on Early Access : HERE See our other work at : www.aroundthecircle.org In this Early Access episode, Katie introduces the next chapter of the series: additional interviews with each Enneagram number, beginning with a rich Type One conversation featuring Natasha. Natasha shares her journey into the Enneagram, her experience of body-centered intuition, and how Ones navigate anger, resentment, and the urge to fix entire systems rather than small parts. Together, Katie and Natasha explore the deep emotional life of Ones, the difference between thinking and feeling, and why growing in self-awareness is both liberating and humbling.

In this episode of Early Access, Katie sits down with Joleen Nguyen, a 32-year-old counterphobic Enneagram Six and new mom to explore the rich inner world of Sixes from the inside. Joleen shares how she first met the Enneagram through a flimsy one-paragraph description of Sixes, why it didn’t stick at first, and how returning to the Enneagram years later (after a deep love affair with Myers-Briggs) completely changed the way she saw herself. She and Katie unpack why the Enneagram goes deeper than Myers-Briggs—naming why we do what we do—and what it means that your number doesn’t change, even as you grow. Together they tease apart the frequent mistype between Sixes, Threes, and Eights, looking at stance, energy, and especially what happens under stress: Six “six-ing out,” Three-ish sabotage, and how integrity, community, and fear show up differently in each type. Joleen opens up about the Six “committee,” the terror of being wrong, the longing for secure community, and how motherhood helped her finally trust her own judgment. They close by reframing Sixes not as “the anxious ones,” but as people whose consideration of others is a superpower.

Sara from Utah joins Katie to open a window into life as an Enneagram Five. Sara unpacks the difference between physical retreat (car, corner, time-out) and an emotional shutdown that feels like a cloud rolling over the mind. She explains why Fives can be read as “cold,” how she “thinks her feelings,” and the quiet cost of borrowing energy in crisis (the post-help crash and “overdraft fees”). They dig into doing-repression, limited access to the Feeling center, the embarrassment of visible excitement, boundaries around who gets her bandwidth, and how naming facts can be a bridge back to emotions.

Katie sits down with Cincinnati musician and producer Timothy Edward Carpenter to explore the inner landscape of a Four: the pull toward the unattainable, the ache of “not enough,” and why connection only feels real in the deep end. Timothy speaks openly about chasing music dreams, choosing others’ projects over his own, rebuilding marriage, and learning to trust therapy without letting a test define him. Together they unpack shame for 2-3-4s, an Idealist's frustration with reality, and the difference between being understood and being accepted. If you are interested inning interviewed on Early Access and want to be a guest, fill out the intake form on Katie’s site : HERE. Find Timothy’s work: HERE

This week, Katie talks to Sara, a local friend she met at one of her weekly Enneagram classes. We discuss medical school, DOING vs BEING, and what it feels like to subject yourself to constant comparison against other people (and maybe how to get out of it). There is some scratchy audio in the first five minutes of this podcast, but I promise that it quickly gets fixed!

Our Workshop on Excess| HERE Up next, 2s!  Rebecca Dollard, founder of The Motherhood Mentor, is a somatic healing practitioner that helps high-achieving women and mothers who “have it all together” but feel disconnected inside. Through somatic healing, nervous-system-based coaching, and enneagram she guides them to expand their capacity, soften their edges, and lead with power and presence. Links: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-motherhood-mentor/id1735994095 P.S. for anyone who may have noticed, we've skipped 1s. We will release the episode on 1s later on in this series, we promise!