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Office Hours with Angelique and Toby

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Toby Daly
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Date created
2025/12/27
Latest episode
2026/10/10
Average duration
39 min.
Release period
20 days

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Office Hours with Angelique and Toby is an invitation to enjoy a cup of tea with two passionate (and occasionally irreverent) practitioners as they dive into the world of Chinese medicine. Join newly minted acupuncturist Angelique and seasoned practitioner Toby as they share clinical experiences, tough cases, and in-depth explorations of classical theory. With a mix of humor, insight, and real-world clinical talk, they aim to have discussions that will help you become a better healer for your patients.

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Office Hours episode 31: Prognosis and Letting the Patient Tell You What They Need
2026/10/10
Thanks so much to our sponsor, Classical Pearls. This week, Toby and Angelique sit down without a guest for a clinic catch-up. Angelique shares two allergy cases using Wind Pearls, while Toby talks about what he's been seeing in his own practice. Then they tackle a question every newer practitioner wrestles with: how do you predict who will respond to treatment? Angelique draws on an idea from Matthew Bauer’s Making Acupuncture Pay: the more a symptom varies, the better the prognosis. Toby agrees—but then shares a case that challenges the rule. They also discuss long COVID, Saam acupuncture, and the limits of predicting clinical outcomes. They close with a reminder that caring about the person in front of you remains at the heart of the work. In this episode Two Wind Pearls cases: a blocked, painful ear that opened overnight and a year-round allergy patient who reduced his reliance on over-the-counter medication As-needed versus seasonal formula use, including Heiner Fruehauf’s guidance on cycling a formula A brief history of smallpox inoculation in China and how the practice reached Europe Long COVID in the clinic: fatigue, brain fog, and damp presentations Why Angelique now uses Saam acupuncture for about 90% of her practice Symptom variability as a possible prognostic sign Acupuncture as a 10–20% boost to the body's own healing—and how to set realistic expectations A chronic back pain case that didn't respond to treatment, reviewed from the chart Toby's counterexample: 20 years of persistent neck pain gone after one visit Why the patient's own story may tell us more than we expect Chapters 00:00 Intro 00:49 Classical Pearls and two Wind Pearls cases 04:22 How long to take a formula 06:26 What Toby is seeing in clinic 07:53 Smallpox inoculation in Chinese medicine 09:33 Long COVID and damp patterns 11:28 Going 90% Saam 12:09 Matthew Bauer and symptom variability 14:59 The 10–20% boost and expectation setting 15:46 A back pain case that did not respond 16:40 Twenty years of neck pain, one visit 18:42 Chart review: was it the wrong treatment? 21:21 Caring as the core of care 22:00 Letting the patient tell you what they need 24:57 Almost two years in, and what's next
Office Hours episode 30: Patient Empowerment and Clinical Observation
2026/09/22
Thanks so much to our sponsor, Classical Pearls. In this episode of Office Hours, Angelique and Toby talk through the practical realities of clinical decision-making—from reading a patient’s body and recognizing subtle changes during treatment to knowing when to step back and let the patient become the authority on their own experience. The conversation begins with a case from Dr. Angela C. Wu involving a patient with a history of recurrent miscarriage who is unsure whether a recent episode of bleeding represents another miscarriage or simply a menstrual period. The case opens a broader discussion about an important clinical principle: whenever possible, we should give patients the tools to recognize and understand their own bodies rather than taking that authority away from them. The conversation then turns to the pace of clinical practice. The practitioners discuss taking a few breaths between patients, slowing down enough to actually observe what is happening in the room, and using the moments after treatment to notice changes in complexion, expression, and relaxation. A Daoist image of drawing back an arrow before releasing it becomes a useful metaphor for the value of pausing before moving forward. The episode also includes a sponsor conversation about Classical Pearls and the transition from initial hesitation to actually incorporating the formulas into clinical practice. Angelique shares experiences using Wind Pearls for allergies and Bamboo Pearls for warm, achy joint pain. The episode closes with a look at the work of building a new acupuncture school—and the financial challenge of creating an educational model that doesn't simply pass startup costs on to students. Key Topics * A clinical case involving recurrent miscarriage, irregular menstruation, and uncertainty about the meaning of unexpected bleeding * Dr. Wu's approach to helping a patient determine what her own body is telling her * Why clinicians should be careful about taking diagnostic authority away from patients * Using pulse diagnosis alongside the patient's own embodied experience * The value of taking a few breaths between patients to reset and become fully present * How slowing down can actually improve the rhythm and quality of a busy clinic * The Daoist image of pulling back an arrow before releasing it * Observing changes in complexion, facial expression, and relaxation during treatment * How to observe a patient carefully without making them feel watched * Moving from hesitation to practical use of Classical Pearls * Clinical experiences with Wind Pearls and Bamboo Pearls * A Saam acupuncture case involving a gallbladder excess presentation * Adjusting treatment after an initial experience of excessive needle pain * Using a patient's own journal to recognize changes following treatment * The relationship between clinical expertise and the body's own signals * The challenges of building a new Chinese medicine school and funding its launch
Office Hours episode 29: Roots, Trunks, and the Foundation of Yin and Yang with Sabine Wilms
2026/08/26
In this episode of Office Hours, Toby and Angelique sit down with Sabine Wilms, PhD to explore classical Chinese medicine, translation, and the deeper meaning behind foundational texts. Sabine shares how her background in East Asian studies, anthropology, and medicine led her to a lifelong practice of translating and teaching ancient Chinese texts. A major theme of the conversation is the difference between literal translation and lived interpretation. Sabine explains how her book Humming with Elephants grew out of years of teaching and how it aims to bring the Su Wen out of an overly dry academic setting and into a more practical, resonant clinical context. She also breaks down why terms like ben and gen matter, and how small translation choices can completely change how practitioners understand core ideas like “the root” and “the foundation.” The discussion also goes deep into Sun Simiao’s work, especially the ten months of pregnancy in Yang Tai, postpartum care, and the broader importance of nurturing not just the fetus, but the mother, the family, and the whole cycle of life. Sabine shares that her upcoming projects include a pregnancy volume and a book on Yang Xing (self-cultivation, longevity, and moral/spiritual care). Another rich thread in the episode is self-cultivation. Sabine reflects on moderation, rest, activity, qigong, swimming, farming, service, and the importance of listening to the body and the seasons. The conversation closes with reflections on presence, silence, poetry, and the deep connection between Buddhism and Chinese medicine. Topics Covered Sabine Wilms’ path into Chinese medicine and translation How translation shapes clinical understanding The meaning of ben, gen, and bing Pregnancy, postpartum care, and nurturing the mother Sun Simiao, Yang Xing, and self-cultivation Balance, moderation, and seasonal living Buddhism, Chinese medicine, and presence in care Notable Quotes “It’s not correspondences, it’s resonances.” “You must pursue it in the foundation.” “You should feel the classics, not analyze them.” Key Takeaways Classical Chinese medicine is about more than formulas and point prescriptions; it’s about resonance, context, and worldview. Translation is interpretive work, and a single character can shift the entire meaning of a text. Pregnancy and postpartum care in early Chinese medicine place equal importance on the mother, not just the baby. Self-cultivation is a daily practice of moderation, presence, and listening to the body. Links: Sabine’s books and classes: happygoatproductions.com cmbenevolentacademy.org
Office Hours episode 28: The Dao of Medical Insurance Billing with Eoin Gregory
2026/08/12
Insurance billing can be one of the most frustrating and financially consequential aspects of running an acupuncture practice. In this episode of Office Hours, Dr. Eoin Gregory of Family Billing Solutions explains what practitioners need to know before they sign an insurance contract, submit a claim, or hand their billing over to someone else. Eoin draws on his background as a retired chiropractor and former educator to explain when to bill yourself, when to hire help, and how to avoid the documentation and compliance mistakes that can trigger denials, recoupments, or audits. We discuss what providers should look for in insurance contracts, why medical necessity matters so much, and how to protect both your practice and your patients when dealing with payers. Key topics Dr. Eoin Gregory shares why he moved from clinical practice and teaching into medical billing after an injury ended his chiropractic career. He explains why new solo practitioners should often bill themselves first, at least long enough to understand coding, documentation, and the real workload involved. Eoin breaks down why submitting a claim is the easy part, while appeals, benefit checks, follow-up calls, and payer inconsistencies create most of the burden. He warns providers to be careful with advice from other clinicians, especially when it comes to noncompliant or potentially fraudulent billing strategies. The conversation covers how to read payer participation agreements, fee schedules, reimbursement caps, and payment policies before signing anything. Eoin stresses that providers should understand whether a plan is regulated by the state or by ERISA, since that changes who can help when problems arise. He outlines what to look for in a billing company: transparency, acupuncture-specific experience, availability, manpower, and clear pricing. The episode highlights why every claim matters for small practices, especially when insurers misstate benefits or recoup money later. Eoin explains medical necessity in practical terms and why treatment plans, re-exams, and functional goals help support coverage. He cautions against using mental health diagnoses casually, noting that inaccurate diagnoses can follow patients for years and affect future coverage. The discussion closes on the importance of educating providers and patients about what insurance actually covers versus what a practice can ethically provide. Link https://www.familybilling.com/
Office Hours episode 27: Food as Medicine with Warren Sheir
2026/07/11
Angelique and Toby talk with Warren Sheir about Chinese medicine, nutrition, and the practical power of food as an everyday therapy. The conversation moves from Warren’s background in macrobiotics and traditional Chinese medicine to his book, Ancient Wisdom, Modern Kitchen, and the real-world dietary advice he uses with patients. What makes this episode useful It works because it feels practical and relatable: listeners hear concrete food strategies, clinical examples, and a relaxed discussion that makes nutrition feel doable instead of rigid. Key topics covered Warren’s path into Chinese medicine Warren shares how he began his Chinese medicine education in 1995 and how his earlier macrobiotics background shaped his awareness of food energetics, even if he no longer follows that approach strictly. “Good clean food” in real life He defines his current approach as: Whole foods whenever possible Organic foods whenever possible Lots of vegetables Some whole grains Clean animal products like wild-caught fish and pastured chicken Simple meals, eaten slowly and without overeating Why he wrote Ancient Wisdom, Modern Kitchen Warren explains that the book grew out of a need he saw among students and patients who wanted practical, usable dietary guidance. He and his co-authors wanted recipes that were: Clear and step-by-step Rooted in Chinese dietary principles Helpful for both practitioners and patients Food as medicine in clinical practice The conversation explores how dietary changes can sometimes reduce the need for herbs or support treatment more gently, especially for sensitive patients. Examples discussed include: Using congee for spleen deficiency diarrhea Adding food-grade ingredients like fu ling, yi yi ren, lotus seed, and qian shi Keeping formulas and food recommendations simple so they’re easier to digest and follow Warming foods and mindful eating Warren and the hosts discuss: Warm breakfasts Cutting back on cold foods, especially in colder seasons Adding warming spices like ginger and cinnamon Eating more slowly Chewing more thoroughly Creating a more mindful, appreciative eating ritual Diet change is hard A major theme is that diet change is often slow and uneven. Warren notes that: Baby steps matter Patients often improve, then backslide Small wins can build momentum Consistency is more important than perfection Community and connection The episode closes with a broader reflection on eating as a communal, connected experience rather than a distracted, isolated one. Notable moment Warren describes how one patient seemed to be taking herbs but wasn’t actually preparing them, highlighting how easy it is for people to misunderstand or half-follow treatment plans. Takeaway This episode is a grounded reminder that food choices, preparation, timing, and attention can all support health in small but meaningful ways.
Office Hours episode 26: Heiner Fruehauf — Rivers, Stars, and Classical Chinese Medicine
2026/07/01
In this conversation, Heiner Fruehauf traces his path from a German family of nature-cure physicians to founding the College of Classical Chinese Medicine and coining the term "classical Chinese medicine" . His lifelong effort has been to recover the immaterial, spiritual dimension he argues was filtered out as the medicine passed through a materialist lens. That conviction runs through everything he discusses: why he built the herb company Classical Pearls to protect sourcing and quality, his vision for a new classical Chinese medicine clinical center that proves the medicine in practice rather than in theory, and three decades of scholarship mapping acupuncture points to stars and sacred geography. The episode's centerpiece is a remarkable account from his recent China trip where he finds himself standing at the source of the Ji River on Mount Wangwu and finding the landscape itself mirror the name and nature of the acupuncture point Heart-1. Main topics Coining "classical Chinese medicine": the immaterial dimension and the critique of TCM's materialist filter Herbal integrity — sourcing, contamination, fillers, and why Classical Pearls exists Crude herbs vs. granules, and freeing new practitioners from ideological rigidity The vision for a classical Chinese medicine clinical center: demonstrating and documenting outcomes China trip, part one: Da Tong's healing mineral waters and the barefoot-doctor-turned-benefactor Guo Runli China trip, part two: Mount Wangwu, the source of the Ji River, and its resonance with Heart-1 (Ji Chuan) Mapping acupuncture points to stars, rivers, and the macrocosm — 30 years of research The state of the profession: education, licensure, and the case for clinical centers 00:00 — Introduction to Heiner Fruehauf 02:00 — From a German nature-cure family to Chinese literature, cancer, and Chinese medicine 04:30 — Coining "classical Chinese medicine": the immaterial dimension vs. the TCM materialist filter 07:00 — Practicing classical medicine in a modern, materialist context 09:15 — Herbal integrity: sourcing, contamination, and the case for Classical Pearls 12:00 — Herbs, classical formulas, and manufacturing standards 15:30 — The new clinical center: vision, design, and scope 17:45 — Retreat protocols, treatment durations, and documenting outcomes 20:10 — Healthcare funding, insurance, and banking obstacles 24:00 — Why high-quality herbs and sustainable sourcing matter 28:00 — The global herb market and quality control 31:30 — Education, licensure, and the case for clinical centers 34:00 — China trip, part one: Da Tong's healing mineral waters and benefactor Guo Runli 44:00 — China trip, part two: Mount Wangwu, the source of the Ji River, and Heart-1 (Ji Chuan) 52:00 — Macrocosm and microcosm: acupuncture points mapped to stars and sacred geography 62:00 — Practical advice for practitioners: herbs, formulas, and classical integration 72:00 — The future of Chinese medicine: clinical centers, research, and education 82:00 — Closing thoughts and a possible return conversation The views and claims expressed in this episode are those of the guest and are shared for educational and informational purposes only. They reflect the perspectives of a classical Chinese medicine tradition and are not medical advice, nor a substitute for diagnosis or treatment by a qualified healthcare provider. Statements about herbs, formulas, mineral waters, pharmaceuticals, and specific health conditions have not been evaluated by the FDA and are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Always consult your physician before making changes to your care, and never stop a prescribed medication without professional guidance.
Office Hours episode 25: Ellen Goldsmith
2026/06/12
Join us in this episode as Ellen Goldsmith, acupuncturist and author, discusses the profound role of food in healing and prevention. Whether you're a practitioner or someone curious about integrating Chinese dietary principles, her insights reveal how everyday eating can be a powerful act of self-care and healing. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Ellen Goldsmith and episode overview 00:24 - Ellen’s background 01:23 - The evolution of her practice from Shiatsu to Chinese dietetics 02:19 - Teaching health self-care in art and medical schools 03:45 - Why Ellen wrote her book on Chinese food principles 04:42 - Principles of Chinese medicine and the importance of prevention 05:38 - The importance of food as medicine and creating accessible recipes 06:35 - How seasonality influences dietary choices 07:31 - Incorporating condiments and flavor in Chinese dietetics 08:38 - The “who” and “when” in seasonal eating 09:20 - Practical suggestions for spring foods, including asparagus and nettles 10:18 - Using radishes and fermented greens to break congestion 11:38 - Mouthfeel and texture’s role in food enjoyment 13:00 - Delicious ways to prepare rhubarb and emphasize food integrity 14:24 - Quick, nourishing cooking methods aligned with seasonal energy 15:45 - The sensory essence of cooking herbs and aromatics 16:15 - Practitioner dietary recommendations and building competence 17:08 - The importance of deepening one’s own understanding before advising others 18:05 - Observation, self-awareness, and personalized care 19:37 - The balance between conventional medicine and Chinese dietary wisdom 20:05 - Cultural and emotional elements influencing food choices 21:02 - The process of gradual change in nutrition practices 22:07 - Ellen’s experience working with practitioners and case studies 23:27 - The influence of mainstream medicine and culinary medicine initiatives 24:55 - Dr. David Eisenberg’s pioneering work on nutrition and Chinese medicine 26:49 - Food-based lifestyle integration in medical education 27:19 - The importance of cooking in practitioner training 28:51 - Making Chinese medicine principles approachable for everyone 29:21 - The significance of internalized knowledge and somatic learning 30:19 - How daily practices, like Qigong and cooking, deepen understanding 31:23 - The enduring power of experiential, body-based knowledge 32:11 - Basic strategies for postpartum and post-surgery recovery 33:43 - Nourishing soups, broths, and meal textures for healing 34:40 - The importance of warmth and herbal remedies in recovery 36:35 - Using footbaths and moxibustion to support healing 37:05 - The role of intuition in clinical decision-making 38:02 - Sensory perception and gentle, personalized treatment 39:02 - The power of presence, listening, and subtle cues 40:53 - Blending intuition with training in effective practice 41:07 - The impact of empathy, gentleness, and somatic awareness 42:58 - Cultivating kindness and integrating Western and Chinese approaches 43:45 - The future of culinary medicine in Chinese medical education 44:39 - Food as a joyful, integral part of health routines 45:19 - Resources for practitioners and the importance of ongoing learning Resources & Links: Pearl Natural Health Book: Nutritional Healing with Chinese Medicine Dr. David Eisenberg - Harvard Healthy Kitchens, Healthy Lives Pearl Natural Health Website Email: [email protected] Note: This episode underscores that healthful eating is as much about mindfulness, enjoyment, and intuition as it is about science. Implementing seasonal foods and cooking practices can foster a deeper connection to your body, nature, and well-being.
Office Hours episode 24: Infertility and End-of-Life Care
2026/05/26
Angelique and Toby discuss the role of acupuncture and Chinese medicine in fertility treatment, end-of-life rituals and integrating cultural practices. They present clinical case studies on autoimmune eye conditions, herpes, and more. Finally they explore channel theory including divergent and sinew channel treatment strategies. Toby just released a new book! https://a.co/d/04KI93FR This Substack has excerpts from the book: https://substack.com/@tobydaly Stephanie's email for signed copies: [email protected] Key Insights: The importance of addressing the whole "garden" in fertility treatments, focusing on filling gaps to promote natural conception How acupuncture can assist with end-of-life transition The application of divergent channel therapy for complex or terminal cases, exemplified by patient cases The interconnectedness of emotional, physical, and spiritual health in Chinese medicine practice Resources & Links: Tracing Our Lineage - Book https://a.co/d/04KI93FR Jeffrey Yuen - Renowned Chinese Medicine Practitioner
Office Hours episode 23: Allen Tsaur reveals the Darth Vader of Chinese Medicine
2026/04/28
Consider watching this one on youtube. The visuals may help anchor your understanding of the historical physicians and formulas that Dr. Tsaur mentions. In this episode we explore the journey of Allen Tsaur, from childhood in Taiwan to becoming a Chinese medicine translator and practitioner. We discuss the value of classical texts, translation challenges, and how deep study informs clinical practice. In this episode: Allen Tsaur's background and how he transitioned from engineering to Chinese medicine The significance of classical texts like Zhang Jinyue and Wu Jutong's works Challenges in translating ancient Chinese medical texts: terminology, context, and clinical application The importance of commentary and historical critique in understanding formulas Allen's approach to integrating classical concepts like Yin-Yang, Qi, and the six burners into modern practice Insights on the holistic view of disease as branches and roots of constitution The influence of major figures like Ye Tianshi, Zhu Danxi, and Wu Youke on current theories Practical advice for students and practitioners on engaging with ancient texts and commentaries Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Allen Tsaur's background and career shift 02:17 - Allen's early engagement with classical poetry and the Art of War 03:39 - Transition from engineering to Chinese medicine and first encounters with Chinese medical practice 04:59 - Experiences with acupuncture and curiosity about Chinese medicine 06:05 - The bone marrow drive and cultural differences in treatment perception 07:33 - Allen's deep dive into Chinese texts and translation work 09:40 - Studying the 8 Principles and origins of diagnostic frameworks 11:49 - Starting translation: from naive attempts to collaboration with Michael Brown 13:37 - The challenges of terminology and context in translation 15:49 - Allen's systematic approach and the importance of glossaries 18:53 - Collaborations with Michael Brown and foundational texts for clinical practice 22:08 - Criticism of formula modifications and historical influences 26:23 - The significance of the six conformations and the concept of the three burners from Wu Youke 28:35 - Wu Youke's influence on understanding pandemics and epidemics 32:14 - Allen's insights on formulas for heat and cold in different contexts 38:14 - The role of formulas like Huo Xiang Zheng Qi San during epidemics 43:13 - Modifications and intuitive adjustments in formula practice 44:51 - The humility and motivation behind Allen’s translation work 54:41 - Reflections on the humility and altruism of Chinese medicine masters 67:33 - The role of the Root and Branch philosophy in Chinese medicine and the critique of over-reliance on formulas 73:15 - Who is the Yoda of Chinese medicine? Insights into the foundational figures like the Huangdi Neijing author 75:15 - The importance of commentators over centuries in shaping Chinese medicine's viability Resources & Links: Zhang Jingyue https://allentsaur.com/publications Wu Jutong's Systematic Differentiation of Warm Diseases https://allentsaur.com/publications The Nei Jing - The Yellow Emperor's Classic Michael Brown - Translator & Collaborator Connect with Allen Tsaur: https://allentsaur.com/ Note: For those interested in deepening their understanding, Allen emphasizes engaging with footnotes, commentaries, and classical texts alongside modern interpretations for a comprehensive grasp of Chinese medicine.
Office Hours episode: Strategies for Navigating Peaks and Valleys
2026/04/01
In this episode, Angelique and Toby share the real-world challenges of managing a rapidly growing practice, including scheduling, client communication, and insurance strategies. The discussion provides practical tips for handling peaks and valleys in client volume while maintaining quality care and clinical efficiency. Key topics: Navigating peaks: how to allocate slots for emergent and ongoing care Strategies for managing scheduling and cancellations Transitioning to all-cash practices and insurance considerations Building a reliable referral and network system Recognizing practice peak signs and when to expand staffing Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: managing rapid practice growth 00:40 - Approaching full booking and scheduling challenges 01:44 - Communicating capacity limits with patients 02:41 - Recognizing whether current growth is a peak or a new normal 03:24 - The importance of leaving buffer slots for emergencies 03:54 - Strategies to control new patient intake and manage demand 04:21 - Transitioning to cash-only or insurance models and leveraging staff 05:18 - Building a referral network for urgent patient needs 05:44 - Tips for delaying new patient appointments to create breathing room 06:03 - Preparing for potential patient demands for specific treatments 06:33 - When to consider going all cash and expanding staff 07:07 - Identifying when your practice has passed the peak 07:40 - Long-term patterns of practice growth and patient re-engagement 08:13 - The impact of delivering excellent results on word-of-mouth 09:26 - Managing cancellations and patient respect for your time 10:09 - Using waitlist systems effectively 11:36 - The value of human office management vs AI automation 12:00 - Staying calm during peaks and valleys in practice volume 12:30 - The likelihood of peaks becoming the new normal 13:12 - Valuing health services and patient willingness to pay 13:41 - Comparing costs and value of biomedical treatments vs alternative care 14:10 - Closing thoughts: riding out growth cycles together Resources & Links: Jane Scheduling Software — for appointment management and waitlist features
Office Hours: A New Model for Chinese Medical Education
2026/03/22
Join Angelique and Toby as they explore an innovative plan to reinvent Chinese medicine education, addressing its financial, operational, and societal challenges. Their discussion details a comprehensive approach to creating a sustainable, accessible, and modern Chinese medical school from the ground up, leveraging AI, new funding models, and flexible infrastructure. Key Topics The critical financial issues facing current Chinese medicine schools and the need for endowment-based models How AI and software can revolutionize administration, reducing costs and increasing efficiency The importance of crowdfunding and endowments from successful practitioners and engaged patients Developing a flexible, pop-up classroom and clinical model using community spaces and partnerships A proposed three-year, online-intensive curriculum that prepares students for licensing exams Creating a nonprofit institution with a durable endowment for institutional longevity The potential societal benefits: shifting from repetitive and unchallenging administrative tasks to fulfilling clinical work The strategic development timeline: from concept to funded reality Resources & Links Connect with Kaysie Lingo about Chicago clinic space: https://anatomyandalchemy.com/about/ Ryan Hoffer Substack — Thought leader on Chinese medicine education and innovation This episode offers a bold vision for the future of Chinese medicine education, emphasizing innovation in funding, technology, and flexible learning models to ensure sustainability and accessibility. Timestamps 00:00 - Introducing the office hours digital bulletin board and upcoming panel discussion 07:00 - Announcing a new Chicago office space available for Chinese medicine practitioners 09:00 - Concerns about the future of Chinese medicine education and the role of funding 11:00 - The destructive financial model of current Chinese medicine schools and the need for reform 12:30 - Conceptualizing a new endowment-funded, nonprofit Chinese medicine institution 15:00 - Automating school administration with AI to drastically cut costs 16:50 - Replacing mundane admin tasks with AI to free up practitioners for clinical work 17:46 - Addressing concerns about AI replacing human roles and emphasizing the value of fulfilling work 19:00 - Developing a flexible, pop-up clinical and classroom model for future growth 21:10 - Utilizing spaces like VRBO for low-cost, temporary classroom and clinic setups 23:40 - The vision for a three-year, online-heavy Chinese medicine program with licensure pathways 27:00 - Naming ideas and curriculum structure—aiming for a broad, accessible educational model 30:01 - Committing to documenting this transformative process and inviting early collaborations
Office Hours: Treatment Tiers and Scheduling Strategies
2026/02/18
In this conversation, Angelique and Toby discuss various aspects of running a practice, including the importance of organic interactions, updates on business changes, the introduction of new treatment tiers, scheduling strategies, and a detailed case study of a patient with unique symptoms. They reflect on the challenges and rewards of their work, emphasizing the need for fair compensation and the importance of trusting the process in their professional journey. Takeaways Allowing conversations to unfold organically can lead to more genuine interactions. Recognizing the amount of unpaid work can help in setting fair compensation. Introducing tiered offerings can simplify pricing and improve patient access. Scheduling flexibility can reduce stress and improve patient care. Having additional treatment space can accommodate more patients and reduce wait times. Compensating staff well is crucial for maintaining a supportive work environment. Trusting the process is essential in building a successful practice. Patient case studies provide valuable insights into treatment strategies. Sound Bites "I was doing a lot of work for free." Chapters 00:00 Organic Conversations: Embracing the Flow 00:53 Business Updates: Navigating Changes in Practice 04:05 Expanding Offerings: New Treatment Tiers 08:01 Scheduling Strategies: Balancing Patient Care 11:35 Patient Case Study 20:32 Reflections and Future Directions: Trusting the Process Keywords acupuncture, herbal medicine, patient care, scheduling, treatment strategies, practitioner insights, case studies
Office Hours: Dupuytren's contracture and "Live it to Give it"
2026/01/30
In this conversation, Angelique and Toby engage in a dynamic discussion about listener cases, particularly focusing on a clinical case involving Dupuytren's contracture. They explore treatment strategies, the importance of self-cultivation for practitioners, and the balance between professional demands and personal well-being. The conversation emphasizes the significance of patient-practitioner relationships and the need for practitioners to embody the health principles they advocate. Takeaways Patient reactions can guide treatment adjustments. Self-cultivation is essential for practitioner well-being. Practitioners should embody health principles for patients. Learning from case studies enhances clinical practice. Sound Bites "You gotta live it to give it." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Listener Engagement 03:51 Case Study Discussion: Dupuytren's contracture 08:54 Clinical Reflections and Treatment Strategies 20:32 Self-Cultivation and Practitioner Well-Being keywords acupuncture, clinical practice, self-cultivation, case study, practitioner well-being, treatment strategies, Dupuytren's contracture
Office Hours: Navigating the Acupocalypse with Ryan Hofer
2026/01/22
Ryan, Angelique and Toby discuss the enormous challenges facing Chinese medicine schools, particularly the financial burdens on students and the sustainability of these educational models. The conversation highlights the need for transparency, potential reforms, and the importance of creating sustainable educational pathways that align with realistic financial outcomes for graduates. Takeaways: The financial burden on students in Chinese medicine and naturopathic schools is unsustainable. Transparency in educational outcomes and financial realities is crucial for prospective students. Reforms are needed to align educational costs with realistic earning potentials. Alternative medicine programs face structural vulnerabilities in the current educational landscape. The importance of creating forums for open discussion about these challenges. Potential for small, nonprofit educational models to provide sustainable pathways. The role of public service loan forgiveness in supporting graduates. The need for collective action and advocacy to drive change. The impact of federal loan caps and earnings tests on educational institutions. The value of alternative medicine remains high, but requires new educational models. Sound Bites: "The financial burden is unsustainable." "Alternative medicine faces structural vulnerabilities." "Nonprofit models offer sustainable pathways." "Loan forgiveness supports graduates." "Collective action drives change." "Loan caps impact educational institutions." Chapters: 00:00:00 Introduction to the Challenges 00:03:00 Financial Burdens on Students 00:06:00 Need for Transparency and Reform 00:09:00 Structural Vulnerabilities in Education 00:12:00 Creating Sustainable Pathways 00:15:00 Role of Loan Forgiveness 00:18:00 Collective Action and Advocacy 00:21:00 Impact of Loan Caps and Earnings Tests 00:24:00 Exploring New Educational Models Keywords: Chinese medicine, naturopathic schools, student debt, educational reform, financial sustainability, alternative medicine, acupuncture, naturopathy, higher education, loan forgiveness
Office Hours episode 17: Philip Suger
2026/01/08
In this conversation, Philip Suger discusses his journey as a Saam acupuncture practitioner, sharing insights on the challenges faced by new practitioners, managing needle sensitivity, and the role of intuition in clinical practice. He also delves into the evolution of acupuncture styles, the process of writing a book on Saam acupuncture, and the significance of learning from patient experiences. The discussion highlights the beauty and complexity of acupuncture, emphasizing the need for trust in the system and the importance of accurate diagnosis. Takeaways New practitioners should focus on basic supplement prescriptions initially. Trust in the system is crucial for successful treatments. Needle sensitivity varies among patients, regardless of cultural background. Saam acupuncture is one of the oldest extant styles of acupuncture. The book Philip is writing aims to translate original Saam texts into English. Understanding the origins of Saam acupuncture is still a mystery. Intuition plays a significant role in clinical practice but should be balanced with diagnosis. Sound Bite "Saam is the OG in a sense." Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Philip Suger and His Background 02:35 Navigating Challenges in Acupuncture Practice 05:10 The Role of Needle Sensitivity and Patient Experience 07:57 The Journey of Writing a Book on Saam Acupuncture 10:28 Exploring the Historical Context of Saam Acupuncture 12:54 Understanding the Counterbalance Concept in Acupuncture 15:43 The Evolution of Acupuncture Styles Over Time 18:14 The Importance of Diagnosis in Acupuncture 21:06 Intuition in Clinical Practice 23:37 Patient Relationships and Learning from Mistakes 26:29 The Future of Saam Acupuncture and Its Impact keywords Saam acupuncture, Chinese medicine, needle sensitivity, clinical practice, acupuncture styles, intuition, patient care, acupuncture challenges, acupuncture book, acupuncture history summary

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Excellent Way to Feel in Community with Other Sa’am Practitioners
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