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September is for back-to-school, changing weather, and apparently a LOT of celebrity magazine covers. For the Season 1 finale of Pop Syllabus, Christiana picks up the September issues and takes us inside their biggest covers and most interesting stories. From Kaia Gerber and Homer Gere on Vogue to Rihanna, Usher, Charli XCX, and a powerful Essence cover celebrating Black women, she explores what these magazines choose to put on their covers, what they leave inside the pages, and what it all says about pop culture right now. Thanks to our sponsor, Bilt Rewards, for supporting today's episode: https://joinbilt.com/popsyllabus Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  01:30 Kaia Gerber and Homer Gere on the cover of US Vogue  02:42 Regime change at Vogue  03:30 Nepo babies  06:00 US Vogue cover  07:16 Rihanna on the cover of Elle 09:35 Rihanna’s relationship with Dior  10:47 Elle editorial with Rihanna   12:08 Jermey Strong on the cover of GQ  14:21 GQ editorial with Jeremy strong 16:33 Nicole Kidman on the cover of British Vogue  18:43 Brad Pitt on the cover of Esquire 20:04 Esquire editorial with Brad Pitt 26:18 Sanaa Lathan, Nina Compton, Mara Brock Akil and Nikole Hannah-Jones on the front cover of Essence  27:50 Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson on the back cover of Essence  28:09 America at 250  30:00 Seeing Black women with mature skin and gray hair  31:30 Isan Elba  32:01 Hair styles and product recommendations in Essence  35:38 Mardi Gras  36:00 Essence editorial with Sanaa Lathan, Nina Compton, Mara Brock Akil and Nikole Hannah-Jones  37:19 Terrence Jenkins and Mikalah Sultan 39:12 Essence editorial with Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson 40:57 “Letters to America” in Essence 41:30 Afro-optimism  41:52 The American flag and who gets to own it  44:20 Christiana’s relationship with England and the English flag 46:19 Black women and reproductive health in Essence  46:42 Usher on the cover of Architectural Digest 49:25 A feature on decorative plates in Architectural Digest 49:58 Usher’s Architectural Digest feature  52:58 Charli XCX on the cover of Rolling Stone  54:40 George Michael feature in Rolling Stone 55:00 Comparing Rolling Stone to other magazines 55:13 Shaboozey in Rolling Stone 55:40 James Comey profile in Rolling Stone 57:00 Charli XCX editorial in Rolling Stone  57:40 Afroman in Rolling Stone 59:00 Keke Palmer editorial in Rolling Stone 01:00:18 Adam Friedland in Rolling Stone  01:00:42 The Legend of the Plaster Caster in Rolling Stone 01:02:16 A man who wants to help people print guns in Rolling Stone 01:02:30 Assessing Rolling Stone  01:03:12 Star Magazine 01:10:00 How to keep up with Christiana Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forget the stereotypical image of ADHD. For many women, it looks a lot different.  This week, Christiana sits down with Corinne the Coach to explore why women and girls are so often overlooked, why women of color face even greater barriers to diagnosis, and how ADHD can impact everything from mental health and shame to motherhood, money, and work. Corinne also opens up about her own diagnosis, navigating medication, and building a business while neurodivergent. Corinne’s website: https://corinnethecoach.life/  Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  01:43 Corinne’s ADHD diagnosis  06:45 Why it takes longer for girls and women to get diagnosed with ADHD 11:30 Different types of ADHD  16:30 Underdiagnosis among girls and women of color 22:15 How ADHD can be related to eating disorders and substance abuse 26:58 Skepticism around women of color having ADHD  29:30 Signs that a woman may be struggling with mental health challenges 31:45 How women hide their shame  35:12 Strains on mothers 38:58 How Corinne started her business while being neurodivergent  39:50 How ADHD keeps people impoverished  41:04 Taking medication for ADHD  48:00 Corinne’s experiences with ADHD medication  54:45 How we can support the people in our lives who might have ADHD 01:08:21 How you can find Corinne the Coach Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We love to talk about motherhood like there’s a right way to do it. But the rules have never been as simple as they seem. This week, Christiana sits down with WIRED senior culture writer and author of One Bad Mother Ej Dickson to explore the cultural history of the “bad mom,” from the “welfare queen” to today’s MAHA moms, momfluencers, tradwives, and stage moms. They unpack why the ideal of the “good mother” has always been complicated, why dads seem to get a much easier assignment, and how motherhood became one of our favorite ways to police women. Follow Ej: Instagram Ej’s website: https://www.ejdickson.com/  Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Botox, filler, beauty trends, and the pressure to keep up with it all. This week, Christiana sits down with NYT columnist and UNC Chapel Hill professor Dr. Tressie McMillan Cottom to explore how beauty culture is changing around the world, why our appearances carry so much power, and what happens when the rules of beauty keep changing. Follow Tressie: Instagram   Thanks to our sponsor, Bilt Rewards, for supporting today's episode: https://joinbilt.com/popsyllabus Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack  Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected] 01:37 Meet Dr. Tressie McMillan Cottom  03:45 Sculpt and how beauty norms became what they are right now 06:12 The democratization of plastic surgery and injectibles  09:06 Beauty and ugliness as structural concepts  13:14 The end of body positivity a return to whiteness  15:13 How technology has changed time, our attention, and beauty norms  16:55 Peptides  19:45 How what is seen as beautiful has changed  21:00 Thinking of ourselves as scientific compositions  22:05 Grappling for community  22:39 Discourse around “the Black community”  24:15 Ethnic rhinoplasty  25:51 The death of the natural hair movement  26:30 What is Black beauty now? 27:10 The homogeneity of beauty  30:14 How the formula we were taught for a good life isn’t working and cruel optimism 35:26 Observing neutrally and knowing our choices aren’t neutral  39:10 The cost of resistance and choosing our defeats  42:49 Bracing for impact  45:00 Black women being punished  45:40 Conservative movements among white women and where white women go next 49:55 “One Household, One Vote” and women retreating from the workplace  52:30 Late-stage capitalism and AI will come for everyone, including men 54:00 Men committing Interpersonal violence 55:30 Going analog  56:38 How Tressie approaches reading and engaging with ideas 01:01:22 What Tressie is turning to for nourishment and delight  01:06:25 What Tressie is working on now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Divas! We all love them, and we all have very strong opinions about who deserves a spot in our personal top 3. So this week, Christiana sits down with journalist, culture critic, and the NFL’s first LGBTQ+ brand ambassador Ryan Mitchell to bring back our signature pop culture rubric and rank the biggest divas of the 2020s. But who will take the crown? Listen in to find out. Follow Ryan: Instagram   Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  00:00 Intro 00:13 Meet Ryan 05:00 Showing up as a Black queer fat person  07:20 Growing up in the South  08:22 Ryan’s role as the NFL’s first queer ambassador  12:12 Navigating the current conservative backlash 15:02 How to show up for queer folks right now  19:02 How pop culture brings people together  22:20 The definition of a “Diva”  27:20 How Christiana made this 2020s diva list  29:17 The “general population” category for 2020s divas 30:10 The “technicalities” category for 2020s divas 30:48 The “sleeper divas” category for 2020s divas  32:50 Attitude as part of the criteria  36:00 Ariana Grande 47:27 Billie Eilish  55:14 Chappell Roan 59:00 Celebrities are still humans  01:00:35 Olivia Rodrigo 01:02:50 Sabrina Carpenter 01:04:43 Olivia Rodrigo 01:05:55 Beyoncé 01:12:26 Charli xcx 01:19:29 Cleo Sol and Syd 01:19:37 Yebba 01:20:40 PinkPantheress 01:20:54 SZA 01:20:59 Doechii 01:21:03 Where you can find Ryan Mitchell  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Only a small percentage of women are naturally blonde, yet blonde hair has become one of the most powerful symbols of beauty and privilege in American culture. This week, Christiana sits down with Sarah Mesle, USC professor and author of Tangled: Seven Iconic Moments in White Women's Hair and What They Tell Us About Power, Pleasure, and Complicity, to examine the cultural politics of white women’s hair. Through stories of blonde privilege, Britney Spears, and Princess Diana, Sarah explains how hair reveals the complicated relationship between beauty, identity, and power. Sarah’s website: https://sarahmesle.com/  Follow Sarah: Instagram Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack   Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  1:26 Meet Sarah  1:47 Hair and white feminine power 3:50 Sarah’s interest in hair 5:08 White visual performances and whiteness as a currency  8:50 January 6th uprising 10:40 Partisan aesthetics  13:50 Princess Diana and women with short hair 18:43 Blonde hair  20:58 JoJo Siwa 21:33 Maternal love and white resource hoarding  22:40 White mothers giving their daughters elaborate hair styles  25:00 Blonde privilege and the value of the currency of whiteness 27:47 How Black women are treated depending on their hair styles 29:30 Class and white women’s fear of “trashiness”  32:40 Relationship between white women’s hair and thighs  33:30 Thin hair  35:17 Long hair and the women surrounding Trump  36:06 Picking white women to focus on in “Tangled”  40:32 Britney Spears 45:50 Complicating the idea that there are victims and villains 47:00 Cruel optimism  48:10 Gwyneth Paltrow  51:00 Opting out and diverging from the norm  54:30 The game is rigged  55:20 What’s next?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, writer and YouTuber Blue Telusma joins Pop Syllabus for a wide-ranging conversation on modern relationships, gender dynamics, and what Love Island reveals about our culture. Best known for her sharp commentary on the hit reality series, Blue and Christiana explore everything from dating and accountability to race and media. Then, the two debut our new Pioneers, Builders & Innovators game, weighing in on cultural figures from Joe Rogan and Tyra Banks to Jay-Z, Madonna, Kim Kardashian, and Kris Jenner. Follow Blue: Instagram  Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  1:18 Meet Blue Telusma 5:28 The Diaspora Wars Explained 6:10 Dating Nigerian Men and Blue's Dating Experience 10:16 "Good Women Aren't Having Babies Anymore" 15:45 Partnership vs. Companionship 22:05 Dating as an Unambiguous Woman 27:37 What Love Island Gets Wrong About Race 36:20 Calling Out Women vs. Challenging the System 38:55 The Ego Tantrums Taking Over Love Island 40:38 Has Reality TV Normalized Dysfunction? 45:45 Pioneers, Builders & Innovators Game 52:12 Joe Rogan: Pioneer, Builder, or Innovator? 57:18 Tyra Banks: Pioneer, Builder, or Innovator? 1:07:13 Jay Z: Pioneer, Builder, or Innovator? 1:11:45 Madonna: Pioneer, Builder, or Innovator? 1:15:58 Kim Kardashian & Kris Jenner: Pioneers, Builders, or Innovators? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The royal family has mastered the art of staying in the spotlight. For generations, they’ve been a source of fascination, controversy, and endless conversation. But why do we keep coming back to the Crown? In this episode, Christiana sits down with NY Times bestselling author of Endgame: Inside the Royal Family and the Monarchy’s Fight for Survival, TV writer, producer, and royal commentator Omid Scobie to break down the monarchy as the ultimate pop culture phenomenon. After 13 years covering the royal beat, Omid shares what he’s learned about the institution, the media machine behind it, the scandals that shaped public opinion, and why the world remains obsessed with the royals. Follow Omid: Instagram Explore Omid Scobie’s Books on the Royal Family Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  1:14 Meet Omid Scobie 3:40 Inside the Royal Beat 5:54 Why Britain Created WAG Culture 6:50 Meghan, Harry & the Palace 13:28 How the Press Built Meghan's Narrative 17:46 Why Americans See the Royals Differently 19:46 What Makes Someone a Royalist? 21:21 Kate's Cancer Announcement 23:28 Why Royal Women Face More Scrutiny 26:31 Why Meghan & Harry Became Easy Targets 30:08 Writing Endgame 36:17 Inside the Royal Feuds 39:32 America's "Royal Families" 43:49 Can the Monarchy Ever Change? 46:13 Prince Andrew & the Epstein Scandal 52:14 King Charles, Trump & Politics 55:27 Harry vs. William 58:17 Behind Palace Dynamics 1:04:51 The Monarchy's Diversity Problem  1:09:24 The Royals in 2027: What's Next? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Millions of people watch The Real Housewives, but few know what it's really like to be one.  In this episode, Christiana sits down with former Real Housewives of Potomac star and Miss USA 2013, Candiace Dillard Bassett, for an honest conversation about fame, friendship, IVF, marriage, and what it actually takes to survive one of television's biggest franchises. Follow Candiace: Instagram  Read Christiana’s Substack essay on why The Real Housewives is the dark mirror we deserve: https://popsyllabus.substack.com/p/why-the-real-housewives-is-the-dark  Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  01:16 Meet Candiace Dillard Bassett 02:17 Why Candiace became a Real Housewife 03:30 Candiace’s familial privilege   05:20 Black American Princess (BAP) culture  06:00 Feeling shame about growing up privileged  10:00 From beauty pageants to Real Housewives 13:38 Crying as a Black woman on reality TV 18:49 Candiace and Monique Samuels’ friendship breakup 20:45 Drew Sidora’s salary leak and the economics of being a Real Housewife 29:44 The psychological toll of being on Real Housewives  33:00 Going through IVF 37:08 On returning to Real Housewives 39:14 Colorism on reality TV 43:44 Candiace’s first test scene 45:10 Candiace’s longstanding relationships from the show 45:30 The Traitors season 4 48:08 What’s next for Candiace 54:20 Candiace’s marriage with Chris Bassett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Are GLP-1s changing our relationship with our bodies? The science says yes, but not in the ways you might think. In this episode, Christiana sits down with Dr. A. Janet Tomiyama, health psychologist, UCLA professor, and director of the Diet, Stigma, and Health (DiSH) Lab, to examine how GLP-1s are redefining body positivity, exposing the persistence of weight stigma, and raising bigger questions about who gets to be accepted and why. Thanks to our sponsor, Bilt Rewards, for supporting today's episode: joinbilt.com/popsyllabus Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  1:25 Meet Janet 3:53 What Japan and Nigeria Reveal About Weight Stigma 5:55 Is Weight Really About Willpower? The Science of Genetics & Dieting 7:56 Should Governments Pay for Weight Loss? 9:37 Why Most Diets Don't Work Long-Term 15:41 How Culture Shapes the Way We Eat 20:21 Why Bigger Bodies Once Represented Wealth 24:29 What Is "Food Noise"? 29:01 The Hidden Reality of Eating Disorders in Black Women 32:14 GLP-1s, Grief, and the Identity Shift No One Talks About 36:41 Who Gets Access to GLP-1s? 42:21 The Risks and Unknowns of GLP-1 Medications 49:03 Are GLP-1s a Lifetime Commitment? 51:28 Raising a Family in a Weight-Obsessed World 56:14 Should Parents Put Their Kids on GLP-1s? 1:01:21 Why Body Neutrality May Be More Realistic Than Body Positivity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're back with another round of our signature pop culture game, Are They a Star, Celebrity, or Famous Person?  This week, Christiana is joined by Emmy Award-winning TV host, Zuri Hall, to pull names from the bowl and weigh in on everyone from Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark to Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Timothée Chalamet, Anna Wintour, Billie Eilish, Bad Bunny, The Weeknd, and more. They also get into the rise of influencer culture, the business of celebrity, and who has the staying power to become a true star. Ready to play? Follow Zuri on Instagram Zuri’s Substack Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected] 1:36 Meet Zuri Hall 3:35 Zuri’s exit plan from Access Hollywood 9:36 The game begins 12:33 Angel Reese enters the chat 13:30 Angel Reese vs Caitlin Clark rivalry breakdown 15:41 Timothée Chalamet, Leonardo DiCaprio & Daniel Day-Lewis energy 18:03 Anna Wintour: the “mean boss” myth 19:41 Charli D'Amelio family drama 20:37 Celebrities vs influencers: who runs culture now? 26:44 Cardi B chaos & charisma 34:14 Dua Lipa wedding watch + love life 37:47 Billie Eilish era check 40:03 Bad Bunny takeover 41:43 The Weeknd enters the conversation 47:23 Zohran Mamdani surprise finale Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

More women are having children after 40, but what does that actually look like when you are in it?  In this episode, Christiana sits down with Jesse Golden, CEO and founder of The Golden Secrets, to talk about her journey of trying for motherhood at 45, including IVF, miscarriage, and starting over later in life. She also opens up about home birth, treatment costs, community, and what it really means to redefine motherhood on your own terms. Follow Jesse on Instagram  Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  1:09 Meet Jesse Golden 2:53 Trying for motherhood again at 45 4:09 What it’s really like trying to get pregnant in your 40s 6:15 Navigating miscarriage and loss 10:04 Inside Jesse’s IVF journey 14:43 The real cost of IVF (financial and emotional) 19:44 Finding community as a woman giving birth after 40 22:14 What actually helps improve your chances of pregnancy 27:22 Is IVF the right path for you? 32:53 Egg freezing and what the future of IVF looks like 36:21 Exploring home birth later in life 40:13 Jesse’s home birth story 43:36 Staying grounded in your choices and your body Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week’s pop culture syllabus comes straight from the magazine rack!  In this solo episode, Christiana sits down to talk us through the latest from Women's Health, GQ, Harper's Bazaar, and the juiciest tabloids, breaking down celebrity glow-ups, style statements, and luxury obsessions from names like Jay-Z, Anne Hathaway, Rita Ora, and more while unpacking what this month’s magazines are really saying about pop culture. Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  0:39 Rita Ora’s wellness era 3:12Inside Rita’s new look 7:00 The millennial facelift boom 13:55 Meghan & Harry tabloid drama 17:30 Ryan Seacrest’s face fears 19:17 Paris Hilton, theme queen 21:40 Crosswords: hot or not? 23:04 Jay-Z’s GQ takeover 23:39 Is Jay-Z channeling Basquiat? 28:12 Luxury ads everywhere 29:02 Pop culture’s iconic watches 32:22 Sketchers sketchy ads  34:06 GQ’s wedding rulebook 36:22 The life of Jay-Z 38:44 The Horology of HOV 45:38 Anne Hathaway’s Harper’s Bazaar moment 49:35 Chanel’s star-studded campaign 54:10 Bobbi Brown & beauty businesses 57:18 Ariana’s Swarovski sparkle 59:03 Inside Lulu Guinness’ whimsical home Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Women spend a lot of time wondering what men really think about love and relationships.  In this episode, Christiana sits down with Holly Solem, advice columnist and creator of the social media series Manthropology, to discuss what she’s learned from interviewing men about dating, masculinity, and loneliness. They also play a game revisiting iconic fictional men in pop culture and how they shaped millennial women’s understanding of love and relationships. Holly’s Vogue essay Follow Holly on Instagram Follow Mathropology on Instagram Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  01:19 Meet Holly Solem  06:20 Holly’s move back to LA  07:14 Creating “Manthropology” 11:28 What Holly has learned about men while making “Manthropology”  13:34 How men in LA compare to men in NY 14:45 How women absorb the shame of men   16:09 Misogyny in 2026 18:02 Platonic relationships between straight men and women  22:20 How Holly reacts during Manthropology interviews 23:20 White girlhood vs. Black girlhood  25:51 Fictional pop-culture men game  27:14 Chandler Bing from “Friends”  28:58 Ross Geller from “Friends” 29:39 Batman  30:50 Superman  32:24 Homer Simpson  34:10 Lawrence from “Insecure” 35:13 Big from “Sex and the City”  37:13 Don Draper from “Mad Men” 38:18 Walter White from “Breaking Bad”  40:13 Nick Young from “Crazy Rich Asians”  41:35 Prince Akeem from “Coming to America”  42:46 Austin Powers  43:37 James Bond 46:40 Wolverine 48:13 Adam Sackler from “Girls” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve been calling women divas for years, but we still can’t agree on what the word actually means or who qualifies.  In this episode, Christiana sits down with music journalist Gerrick Kennedy, co-author of Brandy's new memoir, Phases, to do the impossible: rank the greatest divas across the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s and unpack what really earns someone the title.  Together, they debate the diva status of icons like Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Beyoncé, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, and Lady Gaga, while making the case for a few overlooked sleeper divas along the way. By the end, it becomes clear that defining a diva is a lot harder than it sounds. Gerrick’s book with Brandy: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/phases-brandy?variant=44324080779298  Gerrick’s book on Whitney Houston: https://gerrickkennedy.com/whitneyhouston  Follow Gerrick on Instagram Follow Pop Syllabus: YouTube | Instagram | TikTok | Substack Merch available now! Sponsor Pop Syllabus: [email protected] If there’s a topic you’d like us to deconstruct, tell us in the comments. Email: [email protected]  01:18 Meet Gerrick Kennedy  03:20 How Gerrick Built a Career in Music Journalism 06:33 The Time Gerrick Met Joe Jackson 11:18 Diva Ranking Game  13:19 Defining a “diva”  16:46 Ranking 90s divas  18:50 Brandy  27:07 Janet Jackson  29:22 Mariah Carey  34:07 Gerrick on Working With Brandy on Phases 36:16 The Patriarchal Control Behind Pop Divas 40:59 Ranking 2000s divas  42:11 Why Divas Have to Go Solo 48:59 Jennifer Lopez  55:59 Britney Spears  1:00:37 Amy Winehouse 1:05:01 Ranking 2010s divas  1:06:03 Lady Gaga  1:12:54 Rihanna  1:16:29 Tinashe  1:17:52 Beyoncé 1:23:56 Taylor Swift  1:25:39 The Next Generation of Pop Stars Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices