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What makes a killer? In episode 10, we explore the difference between a human predator and a narcissist. Is there a difference? A world leading expert helps us understand what it is. For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As parole eligibility looms for some of the nation’s most notorious wife killers, Crime Analyst Laura Richards warns there’s a direct link between the escalating rates of intimate partner homicides and rewarding them with early release. And Victorian Attorney-General Sonya Kilkenny responds to the Office of Public Prosecutions’ outrageous plea-bargaining record in killings of women. Laura Richards DASH risk assessment  DASH Risk Checklist Dr Karen Mitchell profile Dr Karen Mitchell — Kalmor Institute For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How can you fix a problem when you don’t understand it? One of the biggest issues with domestic violence deaths is the government’s reluctance to count them properly. Another is the people dealing with them aren’t trained in recognising the capability and culpability of killer narcissists and/or expert abusers. We speak to the people with the power to change this and those doing the best they can within a broken system. For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Borce Ristevski is eligible for parole next year. At the time of sentencing, he was marketed by his defence team as being a good candidate for rehabilitation. However, he’s yet to show any signs of remorse or reveal how and why he killed his 41 year-old wife Karen. Like so many killer narcissists, he’s manipulative and intimidating, so is there hope his true nature will be recognised? And if so, will it be enough to keep him behind bars? For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Serving less than three years in jail after mowing down his partner in a car, Charles Evans has an extremely violent history that was ignored in court proceedings. His case highlights the different way a woman’s death at the hands of a partner is treated based on her social status. Petition · Domestic Violence - One law Nationwide across Australia - Australia · Change.org For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au Music in this episode includes: "Very Low Note" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Long Note Four" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like Thompson, Eriksen savagely stabbed his former partner dozens of times and his actions were also only considered ‘mid-range violence’. Why are such brutal purposeful acts not considered more serious and what can be done to address the surging rate of intimate partner homicides in Australia? For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dubbed the worst domestic violence killing in NSW’s history, Tyrone Thompson stabbed his ex-girlfriend Mackenzie Anderson 78 times in front of her baby boy. Considered a high-risk offender, why was he given bail for ongoing breaches of an apprehended violence order and what’s the likelihood that someone with his history could be rehabilitated? For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Louis Mahony thought he’d gotten away with murder and he would have, if not for a lone cop who saw him for what he was – Gerry Thornton ignored orders from above to follow his gut but paid a hefty price. For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Baden-Clay is eligible for parole next year. What are his prospects and if released, what safeguards will be put in place to ensure he doesn’t kill again? Professor Jane Monckton-Smith and the Homicide Timeline Home | Homicide Timeline For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One of the nation’s most notorious killer narcissists, Gerard Baden-Clay had no record of violence. At his trial it was said he had no intent to kill his wife Allison. However, 10 years later, as the concept of coercive control is being realised, experts say not only was the murder on purpose, but he planned it. Kiss and Kill investigates why men are killing their partners more than ever before. For help, call: DV Connect 1800 737 732 (1800RESPECT) or Lifeline: 13 11 14 Please support: The Red Heart Campaign and Australian Femicide Watch: www.australianfemicidewatch.org/support The Allison Baden-Clay Foundation www.allisonbadenclayfoundation.org.au Beyond DV www.beyonddv.org.au The Red Rose Foundation www.redrosefoundation.com.au White Ribbon Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au Friends with Dignity www.friendswithdignity.org.au   Music used in this episode includes: Graveyard Song by Bob Cronk I https://open.spotify.com/album/2lb7R3Xgx4Q0gzLZ00pDgJ Identity Crisis by Myuu https://www.thedarkpiano.com/     See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A series of murders that shocked the nation. And the chilling patterns of behaviour hiding in plain sight.  This important true crime podcast will change how we understand Australia's most dangerous offenders at a time when more women than ever are being killed by their partners. Kiss & Kill is available on 7News.com.au, 7Plus, LiSTNR or wherever you get your podcasts from February 15. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.