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This interview with Dr. Jonathan Shedler explores the systemic issues in psychology and psychotherapy, including the research-practice divide, the rise of CBT, and the challenges facing psychoanalysis. Gain insights into how these trends impact clinical practice, research validity, and public understanding. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Jonathan Shedler 01:12 The research-practice divide in psychology 02:26 Historical roots of clinical psychology post-WWII 09:18 Limitations of psychotherapy research methods 16:29 Influence of politics and ideology on psychology 26:43 Psychoanalysis' contribution to its own decline 30:04 The potential for psychoanalysis to meet public hunger 38:32 Personality and holistic approaches to treatment 40:28 The hierarchy of evidence and scientific methodology 50:37 Closing remarks and hope for the future Resources 'The Efficacy of Psychodynamic Psychotherapy' Shedler-Westen Assessment Procedure Psychodynamic Diagnostic Manual Client-identified outcomes of individual psychotherapy: a qualitative meta-analysis“That was then, this is now: Psychoanalytic psychotherapy for the rest of us” Hans Reichenbach's philosophy of scienceExperience and Prediction  Context of Discovery and Context of Justification  Schopenhauer's Porcupines Guest Links Professional Website  PublicationsLinkedInSubstackFaculty Page  Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Jonathan Shedler Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

In this interview, Dr. Paul Wachtel discusses the evolution of psychoanalysis in academia, the importance of integration with other therapeutic approaches, and the future of psychotherapy research. He shares his personal journey, the challenges and opportunities in the field, and practical advice for aspiring psychoanalysts. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Psychoanalysis in Academia 02:35 Dr. Paul Wachtel's Academic Journey 04:29 The Evolution of Psychoanalysis in Academia 08:30 Integration of Psychoanalysis and Other Therapies 14:00 Current State of Psychoanalysis 16:03 Personal Reflections on Psychoanalysis' Journey 22:26 Research in Psychoanalysis 29:17 Students' Perspectives on Psychoanalysis 32:11 Advice for Aspiring Psychoanalysts 43:33 A Day in the Life of Dr. Wachtel Resources Psychoanalysis, Behavior Therapy, and the Relational World (Psychotherapy Integration) Race in the mind of America: Breaking the vicious circle between Blacks and Whites Relational Theory and the Practice of Psychotherapy  Therapeutic communication: knowing what to say whenInside the session: What really happens in psychotherapyThe Poverty of Affluence Cyclical psychodynamics and the contextual selfMaking Room for the Disavowed: Reclaiming the Self in Psychotherapy Ackerman Institute for the FamilySociety for the Exploration of Psychotherapy Integration Westen (1998) - The Scientific Legacy of Sigmund Freud: Toward a Psychodynamically Informed Psychological Science Guest Links Faculty PagePublications Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Paul Wachtel Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

In this interview, Dr. Chris Hopwood shares his journey into academia, his integration of psychodynamic and interpersonal theories into quantitative research, and his perspectives on personality assessment, clinical orientation, and the role of psychology in addressing global issues like climate change and animal rights. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Chris Hopwood 01:55 The Journey into Academia 04:08 Discovering Psychoanalytic Theory 06:30 Interpersonal Theory and Its Impact 08:49 Debates in Personality Assessment 10:40 The Evolution of Personality Disorders 12:54 Understanding Personality Functioning 15:14 The Intersection of Personality and Clinical Psychology 16:40 The Importance of Theoretical Orientation 18:58 The Role of Scientific Method in Psychoanalysis 20:38 The Future of Psychological Theory 22:33 Experiences in Zurich and European Perspectives 25:19 The State of Psychoanalysis in Academia 27:38 The Relevance of Theoretical Orientation 29:41 Human-Animal Relations and Moral Crisis 31:53 Addressing Climate Change in Clinical Practice 33:12 Confronting Eco-Anxiety and Human Cruelty 36:50 Navigating Academic Paths and Choices 41:52 Balancing Academia and Personal Life 44:38 The Role of Psychoanalysis in Modern Psychology 51:26 Exploring Human-Animal Relations 55:08 Addressing Climate Anxiety in Therapy Resources Psychology of Human-Animal Intergroup Relations Major Theories of Personality Disorder Society for Interpersonal Theory and Research Harvard Medical School Psychiatry DepartmentRobert Karen’s workLes Morey’s work“Interpersonal theory of personality” by Aaron Pincus“A Contemporary Interpersonal Model of Personality Pathology and Personality Disorder” by Pincus and Hopwood Guest links Faculty pagePublications  Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Chris Hopwood Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

This interview explores the diverse career of Dr. Kimberlyn Leary, a psychoanalyst turned policy expert, highlighting insights on leadership, negotiation, and the intersection of clinical practice with public policy. Discover how her background informs her approach to systemic change and equity initiatives. Chapters 00:00 Career Trajectory and Early Influences 03:00 Expanding Focus: From Clinical Work to Policy 06:13 Experiences in the White House 08:58 The Through Line of Diverse Interests 12:05 Negotiation and Conflict Resolution 15:09 The Role of Psychoanalysis in Policy Work 18:03 Negotiation as Collaborative Problem Solving 20:57 Teaching and Classroom Dynamics 23:50 Leadership and Adaptive Challenges 27:00 Advice for Aspiring Academics in Policy 29:58 Reflections on Early Scholarship 32:46 Balancing Multiple Roles in Academia Resources Advancing Equity for Women and Girls of Color Getting to Yes The Boston Psychoanalytic Institute Austin Riggs Center University of Michigan Psychology DepartmentRace as an adaptive challenge: Working with diversity in the clinical consulting room (2012)  Guest Links LinkedInFaculty PageNew AmericaPublications Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Kimberlyn Leary Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

This interview with Dr. Chris Muran explores the evolution of psychotherapy, the importance of process research, and the value of pluralism in training future therapists. Discover insights on rupture repair, training methods, and integrating diverse therapeutic traditions. Chapters 00:00 Journey into Academia: Foundations and Influences 02:56 The Evolution of Therapeutic Approaches 05:58 Research in Psychotherapy: Process vs. Outcome 08:52 Bridging Psychoanalysis and Empirical Research 12:03 Pluralism in Psychotherapy: A Modern Perspective 29:50 The Importance of Dialogue in Therapy 38:25 Training Future Psychotherapists 46:30 Experiential Learning in Psychoanalytic Training 52:43 A Day in the Life of an Academic Resources Society for Psychotherapy ResearchWork on Rupture and Repair Guest links Faculty PagePublicationsCenter for Alliance-Focused Training Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Christopher Muran Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

In this conversation, Dr. Daniel Gaztambide explores the intersection of psychoanalysis, social justice, and decolonial theory. He shares his personal journey, challenges in academia, and innovative approaches to expanding psychoanalytic thought beyond traditional dyadic models. Chapters 00:00 Mapping Identity and Interpersonal Dynamics 03:02 Journey into Psychoanalysis and Academia 12:28 Navigating Challenges in Psychoanalytic Research 17:09 Resilience Amidst Academic Barriers 22:46 Serendipity and Finding a Place in Academia 29:37 The Existential Fear of Psychoanalysts in Academia 31:06 Navigating Academic Challenges in Qualitative Research 34:34 The Intersection of Psychoanalysis and Social Justice 40:57 Balancing Empathy and Accountability in Therapy 43:37 Religion's Role in Psychoanalysis and Social Justice 48:54 Decolonizing Psychoanalytic Techniques and Theories Resources Frantz Fanon Lab for Decolonial Psychology A Caballo Regalao no se le Mira el Colmillo: Colonial Mentality and Puerto Rican DepressionFrantz Fanon, “Black Skin, White Masks”Jessica Benjamin's “Beyond Doer and Done to” Elizabeth Danto's Freud's Free ClinicJessica Benjamin's work on intersubjectivityRutgers University Department of ReligionFreud’s “Civilization and its Discontents”Peter Fonagy’s work on attachment   Guest links Professional Website Faculty PageThe Action Lab  PublicationsX  Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guest - Dr. Daniel José Gaztambide Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser

This episode explores the shifting landscape of psychodynamic training and the future of psychoanalytic thought in universities. With perspectives from Dr. Nancy McWilliams, a seasoned clinician and educator, and Dr. Leora Trub, founder of A2P2, we examine the profound changes in psychotherapy education, the importance of diverse voices, and the hope for restoring depth-oriented approaches amidst a landscape increasingly dominated by protocol-driven treatments. Chapters 01:04 - The purpose of A2P2 and the future of psychoanalytic psychology in academia 05:40 - Clinical and ethical implications of narrowly focusing on DSM categories 09:16 - Data on the shrinking presence of psychoanalytic faculty in universities 15:10 - Leora Trub’s journey from clinical training to academia and founding of A2P2 22:42 - The future outlook: more hope than pessimism for psychoanalysis in the academy 23:47 - The role of teaching, publishing, and mentoring in fostering depth-oriented thinking 30:39 - Expanding psychoanalytic thinking to include diversity, cultural humility, and anti-racism 39:38 - Reinventing tenure and academic recognition to value different kinds of contributions 45:15 - Psychoanalysis’ role in cultivating diversity, equity, and inclusion in mental health 53:19 - Practical insights on balancing clinical work, writing, teaching, and family life 56:26 - The importance of visibility, mentorship, and modeling a balanced professional life 57:20 - Advice for students aspiring to combine psychoanalysis with academic careers Resources & Links: A2P2 WebsiteSaving Talk Therapy by Enrico GnaulatiPsychoanalytic Research Studies (Peter Lilliengren) Guest Links: Nancy McWilliams  WebsitePublicationsLeora TrubFaculty PagePublications Credits: Host & Executive Producer - Bevin Campbell, Psy.D. Guests - Nancy McWiliiams, Leora Trub Audio Editor & Co-Producer - Ellis Feldman Composer, Writer, & Co-Producer - Brian Mageo-Sausser