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If you’ve been following the Art of Manliness for a while, you know that I typically interview the authors of books on this podcast. But, if you’ve been following the Art of Manliness for a while, you’ll know why I had to make an exception for today’s guest. Brandon Flowers is my very favorite musical artist. He is the frontman for the multi-platinum-record-earning band The Killers and has also put out three solo albums. I recently had the chance to talk to Brandon backstage before one of his shows in Las Vegas. My wife Kate, as well as a couple of friends, were also on hand, and you’ll hear me allude to them a couple times during the interview. Brandon and I had a great conversation. We discuss his third and latest solo album, Thrasher and why he went country-western on it, what his dad taught him about what makes a good man, what he’s currently reading (hint: it involves the author of my all-time favorite novel), his top five favorite country songs, the influence of faith in his life and music, what’s on his mind in midlife, and how he balances work and family. Resources Related to the Podcast Thrasher on iTunes, Spotify, and YouTubeFlamingo on iTunes, Spotify, and YouTubePressure Machine on iTunes, Spotify, and YouTubeImploding the Mirage on iTunes, Spotify, and YouTubeWinesburg, Ohio by Sherwood AndersonThe Pastures of Heaven by John SteinbeckAoM Podcast #824: Lonesome Dove and Life’s Journey Through UncertaintyAoM Podcast #1,104: Ecclesiastes on Enjoying Our Weirdly Unsatisfying LivesMama Baskets at CostcoCome Follow Me LDS scripture study program“My Lord, What a Morning”Take the Simple Test That Can Predict Your MortalityBrandon’s favorite country songs:“Don’t Close Your Eyes” by Keith Whitley“The Winner” by Kris Kristofferson“Silver Stallion” by The Highwaymen“A Lot of Things Different” by John Conlee“What I’d Give” by Ian Noe Connect With Brandon Flowers Brandon’s WebsiteBrandon on InstagramBrandon on YouTubeBrandon on Facebook See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We live in a world of pervasive noise. Even when we're alone and our surroundings are quiet, our devices bombard us with an endless stream of inputs — messages, news, opinions, entertainment — and we feel constantly connected. My guest argues that this lack of both silence and solitude isn't just generating stress and fragmenting our attention, but doing real damage to our souls.  His name is John Mark Comer, and he’s a pastor and the author of Into the Quiet. Today on the show, we discuss what noise is doing to the deepest parts of us and how engaging in silence and solitude can help us cultivate inner stillness. We explore the monastic tradition behind these spiritual disciplines, why engaging in them can sometimes feel like a negative experience, and what happens when all our usual distractions disappear. We also get into simple ways to bring more quiet into everyday life. After the show’s over, check out the show notes at aom.is/silence. Resources Related to the Podcast Get the Book: Into the QuietJohn Mark's previous appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #1,013 — Practicing Spiritual Disciplines as an Act of ResistanceJohn Mark's Previous Book: Practicing the WayAoM Article: The Spiritual Disciplines — Solitude and SilenceClear Creek Abbey in OKNew Camaldoli Hermitage in Big SurA Time to Keep Silence by Patrick Leigh FermorConnect With John Mark Comer John Mark's website 0:00 Introduction 1:33 What Prompted "Into the Quiet" 5:42 Soundless Noise in the Digital Age 7:39 What Noise Does to Our Souls 11:02 Loneliness vs. Solitude 13:57 Cultivating Inner Stillness 19:02 The Eremos: Jesus' Practice of Solitude 23:58 The Desert Fathers & Monastic Tradition 29:06 What Happens in the Silence 39:17 Confronting Inner Demons in Solitude 47:36 Practical Ways to Practice Silence & Solitude 51:47 Outro See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Modern life is filled with conveniences designed to make things easier. We can order dinner without leaving the couch, check ourselves out at the grocery store, communicate instantly with anyone, and stream nearly every movie and song ever made. So why do we often feel busier, more stressed, and more, well, inconvenienced than ever? My guest today argues that many supposed advancements don’t actually save us time, money, or energy — and that even when they do, they can eliminate forms of friction that made life richer, more enjoyable, and more human. His name is Gabe Bullard, and he’s the author of Against Convenience. Today on the show, Gabe and I discuss how self-checkout, mobile ordering, digital communication, streaming services, food delivery, and even smartphone cameras can paradoxically make life more annoying and less satisfying. Gabe also shares questions to ask yourself to decide which conveniences are worth keeping, and why deliberately adding a little friction back into your life can sometimes make it better. 0:00 Introduction 1:45 Why Convenience Isn't Working 4:22 Self-Checkout & Starbucks App Failures 11:29 The Illusion of Technological Progress 17:28 Phones as a Single Point of Failure 18:20 How Digital Communication Hurts Relationships 23:49 Dating Apps & Making Friends 27:15 Smartphone Cameras & the Value of Photos 32:41 Streaming & Entertainment Disappointment 40:10 Food Delivery Problems 46:30 Wendell Berry's Questions for New Tech 50:12 Practical Tips for Embracing Friction See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We all have things we’ve always wanted to know how to do, but have never gotten around to learning. Speak a foreign language. Play an instrument. Write a book. Take up surfing. Maybe you’ve even started one of these pursuits a few times, only to drop it after a couple of weeks. My guest calls this collection of abandoned or deferred desires your “invisible list” and is the author of a book of the same name. Today on the show, Ravi Gupta presents a plan for tackling the things on your invisible list by picking one hobby-like activity each year and working your way to an intermediate level in it. He explains the different categories these pursuits can fall into, from the liftoff project to the mental marathon to the skillbatical, and how to pick the right one for your season of life. We also discuss how camps for grownups can make skill acquisition more enjoyable, why you should consider taking up an adult-appropriate sport like tennis, why Ravi decided to take the MCAT even though he doesn't plan to become a doctor, and how working on your invisible list can give your life chapters and, over the course of a decade, turn you into a Renaissance-man badass. After the show is over, check out the show notes at aom.is/invisiblelist 0:00 — Introduction 1:45 — What is the Invisible List? 4:38 — Examples & Bucket List Comparison 8:46 — Why a Year Creates Life Chapters 11:10 — Making Time: Family & Constraints 15:44 — Five Rules of the Invisible List 18:39 — Why Aim for Intermediate? 21:19 — The Five Archetypes 26:50 — Liftoff Year: Powerlifting & Journaling 37:30 — Skill-Batical: Surfing & Adult Camps 43:17 — Age-Appropriate Sports: Tennis 45:46 — Mental Marathon: Taking the MCAT See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When people are faced with problems and complexity, our instinct is to add instead of subtract. As a result, we have a tendency to make our work and our lives more and more complex, and less and less effective and fulfilling. Even when what we add is new technology that promises to make us more productive, it often only seems to bog us down and give us even more to do. My guest says that to fight this drift toward complexity, especially in the modern age, you’ve got to be ruthless about cutting out the superfluous and focusing on what’s most important. His name is Jim VandeHei, and he’s the co-founder and CEO of Axios and the co-author of Simplify. Today on the show, Jim explains how to simplify your work and personal life using a three-step process: confront, delete, and amplify. We discuss how to identify the “slop” we’re all inundated with (and he’s not just talking about what’s generated by AI), rules of thumb for what to say no to, why you should spend more time developing your strengths than fixing your weaknesses, and the importance of getting clear on what you want out of life, both personally and professionally. Resources Related to the Podcast Jim's Book: Simplify: Do 50 Percent More with 50 Percent LessJim's last appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #987 — The No-BS Secrets of SuccessSmart Brevity: The Power of Saying More with LessAoM Article: The Spiritual Disciplines — SimplicityAoM Podcast #699: The No-Nonsense Guide to Simplifying Every Aspect of Your LifeConnect With Jim VandeHei Jim at Axios 0:00 Introduction & Website Redesign 0:48 The Problem with Complexity 1:56 Interview Begins: Why Another Book on Simplifying? 3:00 How AI Makes Life More Complex 5:42 The Confront, Delete, Amplify Framework 8:14 Why Complexity Creeps Into Everything 11:35 Identifying Slop in Work and Life 17:43 How to Confront Your Habits 24:59 Rules for Saying No 29:48 Amplify Strengths Over Weaknesses 37:35 Simplifying Communication at Work 42:29 Using AI to Simplify Your Life See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When Mark Hertling learned he was deploying for Operation Desert Storm, he decided to start a journal. Back then, Mark was an Army major and cavalry officer with two young sons. His unit would be out in front of the main force, and during an intelligence briefing, he was told it could suffer casualties as high as 50 percent. Mark realized there was a real chance he might not come home. So he began writing down what he was experiencing, along with the lessons about life, leadership, and character that he wanted his boys to know if he wasn’t there to teach them himself. Mark did come home, and went on to serve 38 years in the Army, including as an assistant division commander in Baghdad and later commander of the 1st Armored Division in Iraq during the 2007–2008 surge, before finishing his career as commander of U.S. Army Europe. Decades later, that wartime journal became the basis for his new book, If I Don’t Return. Today on the show, retired three-star General Mark Hertling and I talk about the reflections it contains on making every day count, planning for friction, marriage and friendship, handwritten notes, casual profanity, the moral weight of war, and what it means to build a man. Resources Related to the Podcast My LifeOn War by Carl von ClausewitzAoM Article: Clausewitz on Overcoming the Annoying Slog of LifeGeneral Douglas MacArthur’s Prayer for His SonConnect With Mark Hertling Mark on LinkedInMark's faculty pageSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Professor of psychology Angela Duckworth is famous for her work on grit — the combination of passion and perseverance that leads to high achievement. But she’s come to an increasing appreciation for the fact that success isn't just a matter of the qualities inside you; it's also driven by what's outside you — your peers, your mentors, and even your zip code. Today on the show, Angela, whose latest book is Situated: Find the People and Places That Bring Out Your Best, shares how our environments play a much bigger role in shaping us than we realize. She explains the three-box model of behavior, why relying on willpower is a fallible strategy for altering your habits, and why the most effective way to change yourself is to change what’s around you. We discuss how different situations bring out different versions of ourselves and how to shape your surroundings to encourage good habits, mitigate bad ones, and become who you want to be — whether that means rearranging what’s on your desk or moving across the country. Resources Related to the Podcast Angela's previous appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #210 — Got Grit?AoM Podcast #887: The Golden Rules of Success With Bob Bowman AoM Podcast #1,023: Is Self-Control Overrated? With Michael InzlichtDying Breed Article: The Power of "I Like," or Why Do People Hate the Idea of Motivation?AoM Article: Alexander Graham Bell’s Secret to Greater ProductivityAoM Article: The Ceiling Word Art of Michel de MontaigneConnect With Angela Duckworth Angela's websiteAngela's faculty pageAngela on LinkedInAngela on IG 0:00 Introduction 1:42 From Grit to Situated 4:18 Michael Phelps: Grit Meets Environment 8:43 The Three-Box Model Explained 12:28 Why Willpower Fails 19:18 Multiple Selves & Code Switching 26:30 Saving a Marriage Through Situational Change 31:51 Curating Your Physical Space 38:26 Shaping Your Digital Environment 43:14 Social Environment & Accountability 47:05 Culture, Microcultures & the Flywheel 53:15 Start With Situational Awareness See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The ancient Greeks believed the human soul had three parts: reason, appetite, and something called thumos. Thumos is difficult to translate into English. It encompasses anger, noble spiritedness, pride, ambition, a sense of honor, and the drive to act. The Greeks thought it was essential to living a life of manly virtue, and my guest thinks we could use a lot more of it. His name is Mike LeBlanc, and he’s a decorated Marine, a Harvard Business School grad, a tech founder, and the author of What If Anger Is the Answer? Today on the show, Mike and I discuss how the angry energy of thumos can help you close the gap between who you are and who you should be. We discuss why physical training helps cultivate thumos, how it can be an aid in overcoming appetites, overthinking, passivity, and cynicism, and the role it can play in being an effective leader. Resources Related to the Podcast AoM Article: Got Thumos?AoM Article: 10 Movies That Inspire ThumosAoM Article: Soundtrack for Your ThumosAoM Article: How to Make Anger Your AllyAoM Podcast #1,083: Good Anger — Harnessing a Misunderstood EmotionAoM Series: The Life of Jack London as a Case Study in the Power and Perils of ThumosConnect With Mike LeBlanc Mike's websiteMike on LinkedIn 0:00 Introduction 1:42 Meet Mike LeBlanc: Marines, Great Books & Robotics 5:45 A Letter to His Son: What It Means to Be a Man 8:07 Socrates' Metaphor: The Little Man, the Hydra & the Lion 15:26 The Attributes of Thumos: Dignity, Pride & Shame 17:36 Thumos and Action: The Soul's Three Parts at Work 20:19 Thumos in Defending Boundaries 25:31 Thumos and the Physical Body 31:36 Thumos vs. Overthinking: The 70% Solution 36:03 Thumos, Power & Authority in Leadership 44:42 Overcoming Cynicism with Thumos 49:46 Raising Boys with Thumos & Where to Find the Book See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Note: This is a rebroadcast. Have you ever known one of those people who seemed to be able to connect with anyone? The kind of person who had the ability to make others feel understood and smoothly navigate even the trickiest of conversations? Charles Duhigg calls these folks “supercommunicators,” and he’s the author of a new book by the same name. Today on the show, Charles explains that what underlies supercommunicators’ skill in connection is something called the matching principle, and he unpacks how it works and how you can put it to use in your own conversations. We discuss several techniques for how to figure out what kind of conversation you’re having, so you can align your language and energy with the other person. And because emotional conversations can be particularly difficult, we dig into tactics for successfully navigating them, even when they contain a high degree of conflict. We also get into how to carry the skills of connection into your digital conversations. Resources Related to the Podcast Charles’ previous appearances on the AoM podcast:Episode #61: The Power of HabitEpisode #196: The Science of Self-Motivation & ProductivityAoM Podcast #559: How to Handle Difficult Conversations Connect With Charles Duhigg Charles’ website 0:00 — Intro & Rebroadcast Notice 0:32 — Why Communication Matters 2:08 — The Matching Principle 5:07 — Deep Questions & FBI Negotiator Felix Sigala 9:50 — Identifying What Kind of Conversation You're Having 10:52 — Setting Goals & Preparing for Conversations 15:06 — Conversations as Quiet Negotiations 19:07 — Navigating Emotional Conversations 24:11 — Turning Shallow Questions Into Deep Questions 28:00 — Mood, Energy & NASA's Emotional Intelligence Test 32:34 — Looping for Understanding & High-Conflict Conversations 38:38 — Digital Communication & Closing See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Remember the old hotel ice machines? The kind where you'd slide your bucket under the chute and hear the avalanche of cubes crashing into it? There was something so fun and strangely gratifying about that thing. Or think about breaking an icicle off the edge of a roof. Such a gratifying feeling from such a small act. My guest has written an ode to the outsized pleasures that arise from these kinds of everyday interactions with the physical world. His name is Ian Bogost, and his new book is The Small Stuff. Today on the show, Ian argues that a fulfilling life isn't built solely by chasing the big components of happiness but also by embracing the small moments of gratification that are woven throughout ordinary life. We discuss how those moments can be found in tactile experiences like shifting a manual transmission, turning a well-made knob, or flipping through the pages of a real menu. We explore how these small opportunities for engagement — for contact, connection, and control— have been disappearing as the world becomes more digitized and automated and everything becomes a touchscreen. And Ian shares how opportunities for "sensory enchantment" can still be found in our increasingly dematerialized world. Resources Related to the Podcast Ian's previous appearance on the AoM Podcast: Episode #247 — The Pleasure of Limits, the Uses of Boredom, and the Antidote to Excessive IronyIan's Atlantic article "The End of Manual Transmission"Andy Rooney compilationConnect With Ian Bogost The Small Stuff websiteIan's websiteIan's faculty page 0:00 Introduction 0:40 Ian Bogost and 'The Small Stuff' 2:25 What Kickstarted This Book 6:38 Happiness, Satisfaction, and Gratification 14:58 Gratification Is Everywhere — But Disappearing 18:28 Dematerialization: How the World Is Losing Sensory Richness 26:41 How Work Has Become Less Gratifying 33:09 How to Reclaim Your Sensory Life 38:35 Keep More Junk Around 44:38 Talk About Small Pleasures 48:17 Living Life Sideways (Orthogonality) 50:03 Wrap-Up See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

People are told their whole lives how important it is to find their purpose. But many find the search frustrating. They feel there's one true calling or one grand goal they're supposed to be pursuing, but they can't seem to discern what it is. My guest, Jordan Grumet, author of The Purpose Code, says that searching for what he calls your big P purpose can be fruitless and even harmful, and that a better path is to embrace a life of little p purposes. Today on the show, Jordan explains the difference between big P and little p purposes and argues that the former can lead to anxiety while embracing the latter can be the path to meaning, satisfaction, connection, and even the legacy you were looking for in the first place. We discuss how Jordan found his way to this philosophy after burning out as a doctor, practical ways to discover your own little p purposes, what he thinks we get wrong in making family our purpose, and what his work in hospice has taught him about living a life without regret. Connect With Jordan Grumet Jordan's websiteJordan's Substack: The Purpose Code  00:00 Intro & Show Overview 0:41 Meet Jordan Grumet 1:46 From Doctor to Purpose Writer 5:00 Big P vs Little P Purpose 8:32 Why Purpose Talk Makes People Anxious 11:15 What the Research Says 13:42 Burnout and Big P Purpose 16:18 The Podcasting Example: Process vs Goals 19:42 Legacy Through Little P Purpose 28:24 Finding Your Purpose Anchors 38:01 The Climb: Building Your Purpose 43:14 Family, Regrets, and Final Thoughts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

With the release of Christopher Nolan's adaptation of the Odyssey, it seems like everyone's been talking about a 3,000-year-old epic again. But my guest thinks this ancient tale offers a framework for understanding our modern lives that you probably haven't heard before. Patrick Deneen is a professor of political science and the author of American Odyssey. Today on the show, Patrick argues that Odysseus embodies a tension that has defined the human experience, and especially the American experience: we're both home-seeking and exploring, rooted and restless. We long to settle down somewhere, yet we're equally driven to push beyond the horizon in search of something new. Patrick shares how Alexis de Tocqueville made this observation about our country two centuries ago, how Odysseus navigates the temptation to become both more than human and less than human, and the surprising act Patrick thinks is the most heroic thing Odysseus does. We end our conversation with the idea that having a home can give us the confidence to explore, or as David Brooks put it, "All of life is a series of daring explorations from a secure base." Resources Related to the Podcast AoM Article: 3 Lessons From Homer’s OdysseyAoM Podcast #337: What Homer’s Odyssey Can Teach Us TodayDemocracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville"Ulysses" by Alfred, Lord TennysonConnect With Patrick Deneen Patrick's faculty pagePatrick's websiteAmerican Odyssey's page on Creed and Culture's website 0:00 Intro & sponsor plugs 0:41 Patrick Deneen's American Odyssey & Nolan's film 2:28 Nolan's changes to Odysseus's character 4:56 Dante's Odysseus in hell 7:33 Why Odyssey keeps drawing Patrick back 13:02 The most American text: home-seeking vs exploring 17:15 Tocqueville's restless Americans 20:03 Restlessness as source of American unhappiness 21:03 Odysseus vs the temptation to be more/less than human 26:14 That temptation in modern American life 31:26 Odysseus's underworld talk with Achilles 39:41 What today's Americans can take from that 41:24 Does Odysseus stay home? The "sequels" to The Odyssey 45:49 Home as the foundation for risk-taking and adventure 51:14 Where to find the book See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When most people think of negotiation, they picture big, high-stakes moments: haggling over the price of a house, negotiating a starting salary, or hammering out the terms of a business deal. But negotiation is also something we do every day. It’s working out who’s taking on which chores with your spouse, convincing a coworker to help on a project, or even deciding where to go for dinner with friends. The better you understand negotiation — which is really about influencing other people’s decisions — the better you’ll be at navigating conflicts and opportunities both big and small. My guest has spent decades studying the art and science of wielding that influence. John Richardson teaches negotiation at MIT’s Sloan School of Management and is the co-author of Never Settle. Today on the show, John shares what he learned from negotiation legends like Roger Fisher, co-author of Getting to Yes, and FBI hostage negotiator Chris Voss. He unpacks the skills of master negotiators, including how to build reciprocity, uncover what people actually want, and keep your emotions from hijacking your judgment. We also get into the part of negotiation that makes people the most uncomfortable: the back-and-forth over hard numbers like price and salary and how to handle those conversations with greater confidence and better results. Resources Related to the PodcastAoM Podcast #234: Haggling and Deal Making Advice From a FBI Hostage Negotiator (With Chris Voss)AoM Podcast #559: How to Handle Difficult Conversations (With Sheila Heen)Influence: The Essential Guide to the Psychology of Influence and Persuasion in Everyday Life by Robert B. CialdiniAoM Article: How Labeling Your Emotions Can Help You Take ControlGetting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In by Roger FisherStart with NO…The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don’t Want You to Know by Jim Camp Connect With John Richardson Never Settle websiteJohn’s faculty page 0:00 Everyday Negotiation & Meet John Richardson 2:18 John's Path Into Negotiation 9:50 Why People Fear Negotiation 12:34 Roger Fisher's Philosophy (Getting to Yes) 17:46 Chris Voss & Hostage Negotiation Tactics 22:54 Give Them a Sandwich (Reciprocity) 30:06 Using Someone's Name 33:59 Managing Your Emotions 39:00 Figuring Out What Everyone Wants 46:29 Distributive Negotiation & Anchoring 54:52 Alternatives, Saying No & Closing See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Most people assume that if a goal is hard to achieve, getting there has to feel hard too. We tend to believe that extraordinary results require extraordinary suffering. But my guest says the secret to success isn't gritting your teeth; it's making the path enjoyable. His name is Jia Jiang, and in his new book, Easy Discipline, he argues that consistency comes from designing your work and your life so that doing the right thing becomes something you actually want to do. Today on the show, Jia explains the difference between hard and easy discipline, why "eating bitterness" isn't the best way to go after your ambitions, and how to make your work feel more like play without lowering your standards. Along the way, we discuss Soviet hockey, Japanese tea ceremonies, rejection therapy, one-action goals, and the power of pursuing aims that are an expression of who you are. Resources Related to the Podcast Jia's previous book: Rejection TherapyJia's 100 Days of Rejection Therapy videos, including asking for a "burger refill"AoM Article: Motivation Over DisciplineAoM Podcast #954: The Feel-Good Method of ProductivityConnect With Jia Jiang Jia on SubstackJia's websiteJia on LinkedIn 0:00 Introduction to the AOM Podcast 0:41 Introducing Jia Jiang and Easy Discipline 1:36 Welcome Jia Jiang / The Myth of Sisyphus 6:05 Hard Discipline vs. Easy Discipline 9:36 Eating Bitterness 10:44 Soviet Hockey: Tarasov vs. Tikhonov 16:02 The EASY Framework: Enjoyment 31:02 Artistry and Ichi-go Ichi-e 33:54 Systems and One Action Goals 41:22 Repetition with Variation 44:18 Why: Being True to Yourself 52:33 Where to Find Jia Jiang's Work See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Many of us grow up believing that midlife is when things start going downhill. Your body's breaking down, your best work is behind you, and you may fall into a full-blown existential crisis. But a lot of what we think we know about midlife turns out to be based more on pop culture than actual research. My guest says the reality is much more encouraging. Her name is Margie Lachman. She's a professor of psychology, the Director of the Lifespan Lab at Brandeis University, and the author of Primetime: A New Vision for Midlife. Today on the show, Margie discusses what age range constitutes midlife — and how it's not just a matter of chronological age — and whether people really become less happy and experience a midlife crisis during these years. She explains the surprising ways your mind continues to improve even as some abilities slow down, and why this stage of life often represents a peak combination of creativity and judgment. We also talk about the real challenges that come with midlife and how adopting the right mindset and habits can mitigate those downsides while helping you make the most of what Margie argues can truly be a sweet spot in life — a time when you still have much of your physical and mental vitality, and it's coupled with seasoned experience and wisdom. Resources Related to the Podcast Seasons of a Man’s Life by Daniel LevinsonAoM series on Levinson’s researchTransformations: Growth and Change in Adult Life by Roger GouldPassages: Predictable Crises of Adult Life by Gail SheehyAoM Podcast #598: Journeying From the First to the Second Half of Life With James HollisAoM Podcast #776: How to Shift Out of the Midlife MalaiseConnect With Margie Lachman Margie's websiteMargie's faculty page See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.