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What do two brilliant journalists know about gardening, and what can one of the UK's best-loved garden designers teach them? Quite a lot, as it turns out… although the conversation doesn't stay among the flowerbeds for long. Marina may not have the garden of her dreams just yet, but it’s very much in her future. She’s enlisted renowned garden designer Jo Thompson to help transform the outdoor space at her London home into the perfect escape.  Not that Marina has much time for escaping. Alongside her hugely popular podcast The Rest Is Entertainment, co-hosted with Richard Osman, she’s just launched her latest venture, Always On,  a place to read her thoughts on pretty much everything.  And when she’s not writing or podcasting, Marina enjoys some of life’s other pleasures: a good dinner out, for instance, and keeping an eye on Keir Starmer, who, it would seem, hasn’t been getting the best tables in restaurants lately. So whether it’s gardens, gossip or politics, there’s plenty to get stuck into. Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Please welcome to Outsiding our first Aussie guest… Tim Minchin! And in true Australian fashion, the autumnal temperatures of the UK were far too chilly for Tim. Thankfully, Caitlin had an array of coats for him to choose from in her own wardrobe. Yes, he went with the faux fur. While Tim didn’t come armed with a jacket, he did bring a whole load of animal anecdotes. From wombats determined to ruin his fire pit to a 7ft carpet python that took up residence in his house, it’s textbook Australian madness from the get-go. Tim is also the proud owner of some bush (translated for non-Aussies: rainforest), which he does his best to keep free of pesky weeds and maintain as the perfect habitat for lyrebirds, whipbirds and, less ideally, leeches. He’s currently celebrating 15 years of Matilda the Musical in the West End, a show that holds a very special place in many of our hearts. Tim opens up about the importance of children and parents alike having the opportunity to see a show that celebrates being your authentic self and owning it. Oh, and we have a first for Bird of the Week... we've gone Jurassic!   Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome back & catch up 02:54 Today’s guest is Tim Minchin 04:14 Listener questions 07:10 Tim’s relationship to London 12:00 Growing up in Australia 15:38 Connections with the ocean 21:44 Tim’s garden 24:51 Custodianship and land acknowledgement 27:33 Scary Australian animals 31:48 Matilda and the show’s lasting impact 42:28 BOTW 45:11 Adam’s gift for Tim 47:04 Goodbye! 47:20 Join our community! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sara Davies does not do things by halves. A cricket net in her back garden? Done. Put a tent up in the Arctic Circle? Easy. Create an outdoor space that impresses Adam Frost? SORTED! A businesswoman, entrepreneur, TV personality and lover of all things craft, Sara’s CV is impressive. She joined the Dragons’ Den team in 2019 and, along with her colourful style, brought a breath of fresh air to the often intimidating room. But thankfully for Caitlin and Adam, she’s far from being anything like a dragon in real life. Having grown up going on camping holidays with her family, Sara has the outdoors in her bones. Whether she’s taking her kids away for a weekend by the lake or using one of her dad’s campervan projects to explore the UK, she’s more than happy to call herself a country bumpkin. And her outdoor lifestyle doesn’t stop there. Her impressive garden boasts a cuttings patch that could rival Kew, a full-sized cricket net for her kids to practice in, and a pond she’s somewhat reluctant to swim in, thanks to some over-friendly frogs. Somehow, she’s also found the time to write a new book, Crafting for All Occasions, out on Thursday 15 October. With more than 70 projects for intermediate to advanced crafters, there’s something for everyone. Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 0:54 - Who's on the show today2:38 - Welcome Sara Davies!3:48 - Sara's outside life7:42 - Childhood camping adventures11:04 - Trekking the Arctic with Comic Relief13:19 - Sara's garden15:56 - Swimming in the pond17:57 - Crafting in the outdoors19:28 - Sara's new book 'Crafting For All Occasions'19:06 - Subscribe and get in touch!20:32 - Dragon's Den25:27 - Quickfire Quiz28:41 - Bird of the Week31:06 - Adam's gift to Sara Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will Young first appeared on our TV screens on Pop Idol 25 years ago, quickly winning over the nation’s hearts and ultimately being crowned the winner of the first series of the singing contest. His life since has been a whirlwind of recording and touring, as well as all the ups and downs that life throws at you. But one thing that has brought him great calm and solace is the outdoors. His own garden has become a true retreat, and now quite a big project and part of his life, too. Just don’t ask him to find his secateurs… Will comes armed with questions for Adam, including one that involves the legality of owning a certain plant - and no, it’s not the same one Mike D was asking about! Meanwhile, if you’re in the market for some drought-tolerant additions to your space, Adam has some top advice for you. Not forgetting Caitlin, who happily makes Will’s day with a very casual Kate Bush story, as well as her gift of a particularly graceful Bird of the Week. And, of course, we couldn’t not talk about Evergreen, which Will is celebrating with a special 25th Anniversary Tour. He’ll be joined by his full band for an evening of hits spanning his two-decade-plus journey in music. Tickets are available now via his website. No, your eyes aren’t deceiving you. It really has been 25 years since he won Pop Idol. Anyone else feel like it was just yesterday? Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back & Adam’s Garden Update02:22 Listener Question04:00 Today’s Guest is Will Young!08:10 A Childhood in the Countryside12:06 Will’s New Garden16:12 Paths Giving Gardens A Sense of Direction17:55 Join our Community!18:18 Birdwatching with Will Young20:18 Will Young Asks Adam!23:04 25 Years of Evergreen26:23 Quickfire Quiz29:24 Bird Of The Week31:37 Adam’s Gift for Will33:47 Goodbye! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bass-baritone by day, Danger Mouse by night. Alexander Armstrong is a man of infinite talents. He’s an actor, author, singer and, of course, the host of Pointless. Oh, and he’s also the voice of Danger Mouse.  Thankfully for us, he’s also a huge fan of the great outdoors. Whether he’s reflecting on his childhood exploring rural Northumberland, walking cross-country to his favourite pub for his Perfect Pub Walks series, or enjoying his own garden with his family, he simply can’t get enough of being outside. With a very in-demand voice, Xander takes us on a journey through some of his most memorable voice work, including one Wall’s advert that had Caitlin and Adam squirming in their seats… But it’s Les from Hull who we’re all rooting for now. He’s also soon to embark on a tour with his pal Aled Jones for The Big Christmas Sing-A-Long, which is summed up perfectly in four words: music, laughter, Christmas and cheer. Sign us up! Although maybe not Adam, who admits he’d rather not show off his own vocal range. Caitlin also gets stuck into Xander’s new book, Evenfall: The Tempest Stone, and the stories and inspiration behind it. And, incredibly, how he intertwined nature into the story. So settle in for a cup of tea, an update on the guy who sells watermelons at Borough Market, and a very entertaining journey through the wonderfully varied world of Alexander Armstrong. Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 A rainy welcome back!02:05 Listener question04:50 It's Alexander Armstrong08:36 Growing up on the Northumberland moors12:58 Countryside vs. city life15:40 Alexander’s current garden21:06 The Big Christmas Sing A-Long24:39 Evenfall: The Tempest Stone26:48 Perfect pub walks30:24 The joys of voiceover work32:24 Quickfire Quiz35:21 Bird of the Week37:55 Adam’s gift for Alexander40:11 Goodbye for now! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What can’t this man do?! Ben Fogle is Mr. Outside. If he’s not climbing Everest, he’s getting his daily 10k run in. And if he’s not doing that, you can find him spending time with his Indian Runner ducks at his Oxfordshire home. First gracing our screens in Castaway back in 2000, when he lived on a remote Scottish island for a year with 36 strangers, Ben’s CV proves he might just be our most outdoors-certified guest yet. Fresh back from a trip to Canada, where he was filming his long-running TV show New Lives in the Wild, Ben comes armed with stories about grizzly bears, parasites, reuniting a tortoise with its owner and one very charming meet-cute between him and his wife, Marina. His latest venture is Buffalo clothing, a brand all about nurturing exploration and inspiring confidence. Based in Sheffield, Ben has joined forces with Savile Row tailor James Sleater (who makes Ben’s infamous short shorts) to take on the brand and continue its legacy of no-frills, no-gimmicks, quality clothing. But for all his adventures, there is one thing Ben loves more than anything: his dogs. And, honestly, we could probably have devoted the entire episode to them…   Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back & Welcome Autumn!02:45 Listener Question04:24 Today’s Guest is Ben Fogle09:30 Ben’s Indoorsy Childhood13:55 How Ben and Caitlin Met16:32 Ben’s Garden19:05 Ben’s Least Favourite Parasites22:14 Missing Tortoise in London?!24:02 Join our community!24:20 Audience Question26:13 Buffalo Jackets29:55 Summiting Everest and Yeti Sightings34:08 Quickfire Quiz37:04 Bird of The Week40:04 Adam’s Gift For Ben42:40 Goodbye! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Don’t even get her started on so much as touching dirt… Ruby Wax is an actress, comedian, writer and TV personality. Known for her infamous interviews with some of the most divisive celebrities, including OJ Simpson and Donald Trump, she’s never been afraid to ask the hardest questions. She joins us to chat about her new tour, Absolutely Famous, where she’ll be joined by her long-time producer and collaborator Clive Tulloh for an evening of scandalous stories never before heard, and insights into some of her most memorable showdowns. For Adam, Ruby is a somewhat unique guest on Outsiding. Not one to get her hands dirty, she arrives armed with pictures of her very vibrant, very plastic garden. Not so much as a crumb of compost in sight! Thankfully, she is a big fan of a cold plunge, has some unforgettable summer camp memories and a new love for gardening at her holiday cottage in Findhorn. So there’s plenty to chat about over a cup of tea. Caitlin gets all the behind-the-scenes stories from Ruby’s colourful life and career, including her long friendship with Alan Rickman. It turns out the late actor was responsible for helping Ruby find her comedic side, something we’re all very grateful for. And, of course, there’s plenty of travelling back in time to Ruby’s childhood, which was truly unlike any other… Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back & Caitlin’s New Book!00:51 Ask Adam!03:53 Today’s Guest is Ruby Wax!07:06 Ruby’s (lack of) Outdoor Childhood09:46 Ruby’s Plastic Garden12:13 Ruby’s Findhorn Home13:25 Ruby’s Summer Camp Memories18:53 Acting and Comedy20:50 Interviewing23:00 OJ Simpson24:49 Donald & Melania Trump28:02 Listener Question30:59 Quickfire Quiz32:29 BOTW35:06 Adam’s Gift For Ruby37:15 Goodbye and Join Us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Queen of Shops meets the King of Gardens Mary Portas is a broadcaster, writer and retail consultant, who revolutionised shopping in the 90s with her bold approach to retail and many iconic window displays. She’s in our garden to talk about her new book; I Shop, Therefore I am: The ‘90s, Harvey Nicks and Me, which is out now.  Mary spends time between London and her home in the Cotswolds, where she’s often seen taking a trip up the steep slopes of Swift’s Hill. She adores ferns, is fanatical about roses, kisses moss, hugs trees and shares a terrific story about the irises from her very first front garden.  With such retail expertise at our disposal, Adam and Mary chat about what garden centres are doing right, and where they can make gains, while Caitlin gets the detail on some of Mary’s most memorable ‘90s moments, including payback for a sexist photographer.  As for the naked badger watching... it’ll only make sense right at the end.  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back & Bread Burdens 01:24 Listener Question 04:48 Today’s Guest is Mary Portas 06:41 Mary’s Childhood Garden 09:46 Cotswold Living 12:05 Garden Centre Design Faux Pas 16:14 Ask Adam 18:31 Window Dressing at Harvey Nichols 24:00 Dealing with Sexism 25:20 Quickfire Quiz 28:20 Bird of The Week 31:23 Naked Badger Watching 32:30 Adam’s Gift for Mary 34:56 Goodbye & Join our Community! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And we get the truth about the smell of Jackson Lamb… Joanna Scanlan is a BAFTA winning actor and writer, best known for her roles in shows including The Thick Of It, Riot Women, After Love, and Slow Horses, which she joins us to talk about. She resumes her role as Moira Tregorian in the upcoming sixth series of the show, released on Apple TV on 16 September. Joanna, who lives in South Croydon, makes an impressive first impression by arriving with a sample of her garden in hand as a gift, including dahlias, fuchsias and gaura. But not before she gets to thank Frosty for his hand in helping her become the gardener she is today. Joanna delivers some of the best formative memories we’ve had on the show so far; from sitting (and thinking) in an ash tree to almost filmic journeys across mountains with her horse and dog as her only companions.  And finally we get to talk about going to the tip in detail. Joanna is a tip fanatic and shares the ultimate guide in making the most of the dump. We will all be living by Scanlan tip-lore from now on.  There’s plenty of time to hear about Slow Horses, too, as Joanna tells Adam and Caitlin that working with Gary Oldman was scary, but contrary to what viewers may think, not smelly. And while the full details of the new series are classified, there’s more than enough to whet your appetite for another trip to Slough House.  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back & Garden Update01:39 Audience Question03:48 Today’s Guest is Joanna Scanlan05:01 Adam’s Lockdown Workshops11:08  Fashionable Fuschias13:08 Joanna’s Childhood Ash Tree16:08 Horses and Welsh Farm Shows17:26 Going to the Tip22:09 Ralph Fiennes Secret24:46 Slow Horses Season 427:49 Quickfire Quiz29:52 Bird of the Week31:52 Adam’s Gift for Joanna35:37 Join our Community! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

... and get you hiking... and thinking about building a shed! Our guest this week is Ed Byrne and it isn’t his first time in the Outsiding garden. He came along to help us record an unreleased pilot episode last year and was so much fun we wanted him back... for real!  Ed, a fantastic comic, is also the ultimate outdoorsman, who has kayaking, munro-bagging, dry-stone walling and gourd arch building in his repertoire. His next project is a significant shed in his garden, a project which is taking its sweet time but will get finished. It will!  He’s also a font of knowledge when it comes to composting, which is the perfect excuse to get him to come and deliver a judgement on Caitlin’s own efforts in her new garden. Expect serious compost chat as the trio gather around the bays, including finding out about the essential tool that Caitlin is missing. Needless to say, Adam is very impressed.  We hear about the challenges of growing roses, and how to deal with badgers using some help from a large dog next door. Ed, please come back again... maybe when the shed is finished... and bring some of your black gold with you.  Ed’s new tour is called No Dramas and you can get tickets for a venue near you, right now!  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Our first live show is taking place in London on September 4 and you can buy tickets for it now.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production. 00:00 Welcome Back!00:18 Ed Byrne’s Reintroduction & Shed!05:09 Childhood Hillwalking and Peak Bagging11:25 Ed was a professional gardener?!17:00 Drystone Walls & Badgers20:04 Composting!24:24 ‘No Drama’ Tour27:36 Ed’s Anthill Problem!29:42 Quickfire Quiz33:46 Bird of The Week35:56 Adam’s gift for Ed37:47 Goodbye and Join Us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

She arrives on a mission to get people skipping. Miquita Oliver is a supremely talented broadcaster known for her long career as a TV and radio presenter and, more recently, for providing essential podcast listening in the shape of Miss Me? But we begin our chat with a conversation about her latest venture, Ropes, a skipping rope brand launched by Miquita to get more people jumping.  Miquita is our first balcony gardener, keen on growing herbs for teas and flowers to bring colour to her garden in the sky. She’s also made the bold design choice of having a white sofa in her outdoor space, which just about survived through a tough winter.  We learn all about Miquita’s favourite parks and the majestic view from Alexandra Palace in London. She also shares how she has a love of hillwalking (and shortbread) in her DNA and the joys of working closely with her mum, Andi Oliver.  Caitlin takes time to analyse the continued success of Miss Me? which launched with Lily Allen as Miquita’s co-host before Jordan Stephens stepped up to the mic permanently in June. And Adam rises to the balcony challenge with his end-of-show plant selection.  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Our first live show is taking place in London on September 4 and you can buy tickets for it now.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production 00:00 - Welcome back & catch up01:25 - Listener questions03:07 - Today's guest is Miquita Oliver!05:25 - Skipping08:00 - Balcony gardening11:43 - Growing up connected to nature13:17 - Ranking London parks18:11 - Hillwalking in our DNA20:30 - 'Miss Me' Podcast & Personal Growth27:57 - Quickfire Quiz31:03 - Bird Of The Week33:13 - Adam's gift to Miquita35:03 - Saying our goodbyes & Connect with us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our first Outsiding roadtrip!  We’ve decided to let Caitlin and Adam loose in another garden, and this one is a beauty. We hit the road and travel to the Cotswolds to Alex James’ incredible farm, for a walk around the orchards, vegetable plots and his herb garden. Alex, the bassist from Blur, bought the site while on honeymoon with his wife Claire in 2003. The world of Blur had calmed down somewhat and he had a deep desire to go rural... and make cheese!  The impressive 200-acre site is now also used to host thousands of festival goers at The Big Feastival, which celebrates music, food and family every August bank holiday. This year’s line-up includes The Streets, Basement Jaxx, Mimi Webb, and Bastille and tickets are available right now.  Alex, who grew up in Boscombe and spent his first Blur pay cheque on an astronomy book, has always had a strong connection with nature and life outside. This has been converted into a lifestyle running an impressive farm. From plum trees, to corn plots, and several stunning gardens, Adam and Caitlin were in dreamland for this interview, made even more special by discussing the joy of growing asparagus, and the potential of a cold glass of cider to finish.  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Our first live show is taking place in London on September 4 and you can buy tickets for it now.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production 00:00 - Welcome back and where are we?!00:56 - Today's guest is Alex James04:57 - Alex's first vegetable garden07:18 - Cliff jumping09:41 - Corn and asparagus!14:25 - Cheesemaking19:26 - Swimming & Feastival24:00 - Quickfire Quiz29:26 - Bird Of The Week32:54 - Adam's gift for Alex35:29 - Join our community! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He just wants to enjoy his walks and garden in peace! Phil Wang is a brilliant and talented stand-up comic and comedy writer. Phil was born in Stoke-On-Trent, and then brought up in Malaysia, where he had his quota of sunshine and hot weather for a lifetime. As part of sketch comedy group, Daphne, TV panel shows, and his own run of gigs, tours and streaming service specials, Phil has triumphed throughout his career. He sits down in the sunshine (sorry Phil, we couldn’t turn it off) ahead of the beginnings of his new tour, simply titled Uh Oh.  Phil wins when it comes to first outsiding memories with a childhood surrounded by tropical climbs, screensaver worthy landscapes and dangerous creatures, but is still in the first steps of his own gardening journey. He’s still in the trimming and cutting back stage, potentially because he’s so distracted by the antics of urban foxes.  Phil does love the outside though, and takes the chance to big up winding paths and the charm of a mid-walk stile. He just has to remain wary of the beasts that walk with him, including an instance with a very sharp and tactical herd of cows.  Gardening is still to grab Phil by the horns, then, but will Adam’s gift change that?  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Our first live show is taking place in London on September 4 and you can buy tickets for it now.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production 00:00- London Podcast Festival00:23 - Welcome Back & Garden update01:09 - Listener Question03:24 - Today's guest is Phil Wang07:22 - How does Adam beat the heat?09:06 - Growing up in Malaysia & Phil's childhood garden11:24 - Phil's 'Grown Up' Garden13:32 - "such a creepy little boy"15:46 - Animals in the UK vs Malaysia17:56 - Phil's grudge against foxes20:25 - Right to Roam & Stylish Styles21:48 - Quickfire Quiz23:51 - UH OH Tour25:29 - Looking forward to being middle age27:09 - Working in funny business28:53 - Bird Of The Week!31:11 - Adam's philosphical gift to Phil!33:03 - Goodbyes and get in touch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

‘Gardens meet you, wherever you are’ Lauren Laverne is no stranger to Caitlin Moran’s garden. The pair are the closest of friends stretching back to big 90s nights out in clubs, followed by a lifetime of chatting and discussing their favourite trees. The legendary broadcaster can do it all. She presents on BBC Radio 6 Music every weekday from 10-1, hosts BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs and regularly leads the BBC’s coverage of Glastonbury.  Lauren, who was born in Sunderland, started out in the music industry as the lead singer in Kenickie, before making the move to broadcasting. She comes with equally strong credentials in the natural world too, having founded her own worm club as a child so has much to discuss with Adam & Caitlin. Lauren loves trees, parks, napping outside and is our first guest to have a hammock. She recalls her favourite outside memories, and pays tribute to her own garden, which has provided a place to recover and provide perspective after treatment for cancer.  We hear about a tarantula on a lead, the joy of rain on a car bonnet and Adam finds the perfect plant to give to Lauren... and Caitlin. You can also hear Lauren on BBC Radio 6 Music’s Indie Forever station with her Indie Focus mix.   Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production 00:00 We’re doing a live show!  00:24 Welcome back & a catch up!  02:22 Listener question 06:21 Today’s guest is Lauren Laverne  07:05 Mutual ex-boyfriends?! 08:44 Daisy chains & a childhood in the Midlands  10:53 The exotic wildlife of South Shields!  13:01 A hedgehog fact to forget… 13:47 Seaside days & Lauren’s worm club!  16:41 Lauren’s relationship to nature now  17:58 Houseplant love  19:00 Finding solace in nature  23:21 Broadcasting & the beauty of the DJ booth  26:50 A gardening crossover? 27:24 Presenting life for Adam & Lauren  29:31 Desert Island Discs  31:55 Is there anything better than a hammock or naps? 33:04 Starryeyed for trees & plants  36:34 Quickfire  39:55 Lauren’s spirit bird  42:32 Adam’s gift to Lauren & Catlin! 45:07 Goodbyes & get in touch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We travel with him from Central Park to the Californian coast all from Caitlin’s garden.  When we started Outsiding, we definitely couldn’t have predicted that Mike D would be among our first guests. But, luckily for us, the lure of the outside is strong. The founding member of hip hop pioneers Beastie Boys, is in the UK making a ‘joyous ruckus’ ahead of the release of his new record, Thank You, which is out on August 28th.  He took a garden seat with Adam and Caitlin to explore his connection with nature, how surfing can provide you with both beautiful and humbling moments, and his own unique experience of getting started with gardening. Mike grew up in New York with Central Park on his doorstep, providing endless exploration, before ending up in his Californian home, right by the coast. He explains how he’s always loved park life, including spending time in London’s best offerings and their beautiful lawns.  We also chat about taking his sons to Green School in Bali, where they were also introduced to the gamelike delights of music software. He now tours with his sons Skyler and Davis as part of his supporting band, 5D. Mike D’s 5D have just announced a run of international live tour dates, with tickets available now.  Let us know if you’re enjoying Outsiding and please send us your favourite outside places, memories, smells and gardening questions to [email protected] Follow Outsiding on Substack for gardening tips, tricks, upcoming live Q&As with Adam and the progress of Caitlin’s garden project. Find us on Instagram too.  You can watch full episodes of Outsiding on Spotify and YouTube.  Outsiding is a Cold Glass Production 00:00 Welcome back!  00:17 Adam’s run-in with a Tawny Owl!  02:40 Today’s guest  03:42 Mike D is here!  04:24 Growing up in Manhattan  05:58 Connecting to the outside  06:56 Central Park & the magic of New York  08:45 Entering his gardening era  12:41 Surfing  16:08 Jungle school?  17:28 Bamboo scaffolding! 18:08 The beauty of Bali  19:02 Fatherhood & bandmates  21:20 Mike’s garden & lawn chatter  22:59 Quickfire   27:30 Mike D’s spirit bird  29:28 Adam’s gifts to Mike & some last advice!  33:12 Goodbyes & get in touch! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices