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The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions are notoriously difficult to invest in due to heightened regulations, longer timelines, and a general lack of supply. Matt Frazier, founder of Jones Street Investment Partners, sees these barriers differently: as a competitive advantage.   While many investors steer clear of these areas entirely—flocking instead to regions like the Sun Belt, where there’s plenty of new supply and far less regulatory risk—Matt and his team are actively going against the grain. Headquartered in Boston, Massachusetts, their vertically integrated private equity firm manages close to 8,000 apartment units exclusively in and around their own backyard.   Their contrarian thesis centers on a fundamental supply-and-demand imbalance. In the Northeast, new inventory rarely comes online by comparison, limiting supply enough to not only drive property values higher but also keep rent growth ticking upward year after year.   In our conversation, Matt shares his firm’s approach to navigating these barriers, structuring capital in today’s high-interest-rate environment, the local “edge” they have over long-distance operators, and what the next five years might hold for Jones Street and its investors. Insights from today’s episode: Why many operators avoid investing in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions How Jones Street scaled its business amid regulatory risk and longer timelines Why vertical integration creates a meaningful advantage in most markets How “good” real estate deals can be derailed by the wrong capital structure The main differences between using retail and institutional capital — Jones Street Investment Partners   Connect with Matt on LinkedIn Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 01:20 Why the Northeast? 06:22 Multifamily Case Studies 10:30 Jones Street's "Local" Edge 18:31 Identifying High-Risk Markets 24:58 Structuring Debt (Post-2022) 33:17 Matt's 5-Year Vision 38:21 Advice for New Investors 41:52 Connect with Matt! Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Providing affordable housing and making a profit don’t have to be mutually exclusive. One small real estate business has found a way to deliver brand-new homes in a lower price range and generate sizable margins.   Using land home packages, Chris Gavre and his partner build and sell roughly 50-60 homes per year while also addressing the affordable housing problem in his market of Greenville, South Carolina. The strategy is simple: buy and prepare an empty lot, install a manufactured house, and sell it for a sizable profit. Despite each project taking only 45-60 days to complete and selling for roughly half the median home price in his market, they net $40,000 or more per sale.   Today, Chris pulls back the curtain on land home packages and the economics behind them. He shares the mistakes that used to cost him several thousand dollars and the areas where investors can burn through their margins if they’re not careful. Our conversation also covers the finer details of the strategy, like what makes some lots more viable than others, the “sweet spot” manufactured home layout Chris prefers, and his criteria for finding markets where land home packages can scale. Insights from today’s episode: The “small” real estate business that flips 50-60 manufactured homes per year How Chris nets roughly $40,000 per deal using the land home package model The “sweet spot” manufactured homes that perform best in affordable markets Costly mistakes to avoid when developing land home packages Chris’s step-by-step process and timeline for completing these projects The best ways to find land for sale (with limited time and capital) — Connect with Chris on Facebook Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 01:27 Land Home Packages 101 06:42 Market Criteria & Finding Land 11:02 Appraisals & Appreciation 13:16 Real Case Studies 15:49 Painful Lessons Learned 17:31 "Sweet Spot" Manufactured Homes 23:15 Chris's Step-by-Step Process 26:37 Common Mistakes to Avoid 28:32 Connect with Chris! Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Some commercial real estate investments don’t look like obvious winners on the surface. Complexity, uncertainty, and unanswered questions scare many investors away, but they can also lead to some of the best opportunities. That was certainly the case with the deal I’m about to show you: a great asset, in a great location, with more than a few hurdles along the way.   Today’s Sunrise Capital Investors case study involves a $33.2 million parking garage in Clearwater Beach, Florida. This was one of the most complex projects we’ve ever taken on, but through conservative underwriting and a figure-it-out mentality, we turned a complicated acquisition into one of the best-performing assets in our entire portfolio.   The deal required us to purchase the property in phases, coordinate with two different sellers, and navigate a nerve-wracking bidding process. Yet on the other side of these challenges was a unique asset that now generates millions in annual revenue. I’m breaking down all of the numbers, how we negotiated a triple-net lease with a corporate-level guarantee, and the value-add initiatives that increased the property’s value by over $15 million in year one. Insights from today’s episode: Case study: the $33 million Clearwater Beach parking garage deal Three takeaways from this complicated commercial real estate deal How to find off-market opportunities without cold calling or sending direct mail The immeasurable value of networking and nurturing industry relationships How to get a head start on value-add opportunities before you close The complexities of purchasing one asset from two owners — Read the North Beach Parking Plaza Case Study Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 02:47 Finding the Property 05:52 Why We Liked It 11:32 The Bidding Process 15:27 Triple Net Lease Negotiations 19:44 Value-Add Opportunities 22:04 Numbers on the Deal 25:48 Property Performance 28:43 3 Biggest Takeaways Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Commercial real estate acquisitions doesn't simply mean finding a deal, underwriting it, and hoping for the best. Often, having the discipline to act on what you find will make you wealthier than even the greatest properties you could buy. Every investment has skeletons in the closet, and even if the problems you inevitably uncover are fixable, some just aren’t worth fixing. So when do you draw the line even after you’ve fallen in love with the deal? Today, I’m speaking to my partner and CEO of Sunrise Capital Investors, Brian Spear. We started as a two-person team, running everything from acquisitions and due diligence to operations and value-add. Now, our team has grown substantially, and we’ve acquired nearly $500M in properties that fit our buy box and provide peace of mind to our investors. Even after decades in the investment property and commercial real estate space, we still get stuck. A recent deal looked profitable on paper and had a clear, solvable solution for problems, but it was too much for us to stomach, so we walked away, even with $60,000 spent in pursuit costs. Exiting was a painful but wise move, so how do you know when to do the same? Today, Brian and I talk about how to run acquisitions the right way, control your investment’s outcome, and explain what happens when a deal's mechanics change while you're under contract. If you can build your system and team to protect against the downside, prepare for upside, and weather the in-between, you can scale smarter than the competition.  Insights from today’s episode: When to walk away from a deal even after tens of thousands in pursuit costs  Why a “solvable” problem is not always worth fixing in a property  How much can you truly count on infill value-add when acquiring a mobile home park? How the quality of your mobile home community can dictate how fast you recoup your investment  Selling properties that were once cash cows due to a changing landscape  The people are the power: how your team dictates your result on any real estate deal  — Hear More from Brian on The Sage Investor Subscribe to Brian’s Channel on YouTube Connect with Brian on LinkedIn Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 02:33 The "Infill" Upside 05:53 Control Your Investment's Outcome 09:53 Challenging Value-Add (Worth It?) 12:56 When to Walk Away (Real Example) 20:00 Sunk Costs (Gained Knowledge) 22:00 Never Think Short-Term 24:40 When the Budget Gets Blown Up 30:30 Is the Value-Add Worth It? 37:16 Controllable Often Beats "Fixable" 38:56 Selling What Used to Work 42:47 Your Team Controls Your Destiny 49:04 My Sage Acquisition Principle Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

What separates a piece of commercial real estate that doesn’t survive from one that endures for decades—and through multiple market cycles? It’s a question Ed Pitoniak, founder and CEO of VICI Properties, has spent the last several years working to answer. Today, Ed leads one of the nation’s largest owners of experiential commercial real estate. But he took an unconventional path to get there, starting at a ski publication before moving into hospitality and, eventually, real estate. Along the way, he forged the skills and perspective needed to navigate some of the industry’s toughest challenges, from the rising costs of capital to tenant concentration risk. Ed shares how he underwrites real estate deals to account for today’s high-interest-rate environment and the two-part strategy he’s using to slowly but surely diversify VICI’s tenant base. He also breaks down how his team evaluates not only the properties they acquire but also the triple-net lease tenants occupying them after closing. Plus, Ed shares the thesis behind a real estate category he believes will be one of the more durable asset classes over the next several decades. Insights from today’s episode: The real “durability test” for any piece of commercial real estate How Ed weighs risk and reward when underwriting new opportunities The biggest challenges when working with triple-net lease tenants The two-part strategy for mitigating tenant concentration risk How to vet operator and asset quality before buying a property Criteria for determining if a real estate category has real staying power — VICI Properties Connect with Ed on LinkedIn Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 01:05 Transitioning to Real Estate 06:08 The Birth of VICI Properties 15:04 Property and Operator Quality 20:43 Triple Net Lease Tenants 25:45 Weighing Risk & Reward 30:46 Mitigating Concentration Risk 33:09 The Future of Experiential Real Estate 36:33 The Ultimate Durability Test 41:29 Connect with Ed! Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Real estate investing demands conviction, but when market conditions shift—sometimes even mid-deal—do you stick to your guns or walk away?   August Biniaz, CIO and co-founder of CPI Capital, found himself toeing this exact line shortly after underwriting and raising capital for a large, build-to-rent community in Tucson, Arizona.   When interest rates spiked, the deal no longer penciled, but exiting meant sacrificing significant time and over $100,000 in sweat equity. On the other hand, moving forward meant potentially putting investor capital, and their reputation, at risk.   Rather than rationalizing what had become a “bad” deal, August and his team made the difficult decision to change course and abandon the deal. Had they not, the fund would likely have been wiped out. Instead, CPI Capital has grown to well over $225 million in value-add multifamily and built-to-rent, single-family assets under management in the last several years.   In today’s conversation, August shares how these early lessons shaped the way they approach risk and opened the door for even greater investing opportunities. Insights from today’s episode: When to walk away from a deal when the numbers no longer work Why August and his team opted for a co-GP approach on their first few deals How to stay competitive in large markets as a middle-market operator How to properly structure a cross-border investment The main differences between built-to-rent tenants and other renters — CPI Capital   Connect with August on LinkedIn Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Chapters:  00:00 Intro 00:47 Pivoting to US Real Estate 10:20 Cross-Border Complexity 15:05 The Co-GP Approach 19:37 Finding Opportunity in Big Markets 25:25 How to Stay Competitive 28:37 The Build-to-Rent Model 34:17 Walking Away (And Losing $100K) 41:41 Advice for New Investors 46:57 What Has Changed? Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

After more than 50 years in commercial real estate, Bill Cummings has built an 11-million-square-foot portfolio spanning 12 communities around Greater Boston. But he did so by ignoring many of the conventional rules of real estate investing. When his peers suggested he explore new markets, he stayed local. When others urged him to sell, he continued to hold for decades. And when other developers steered clear of neglected buildings, Bill saw opportunity, transforming overlooked properties for enormous profits. This contrarian approach hasn’t just helped shape the culture at Cummings Properties; it’s also caused Bill to rethink his entire philosophy about business and wealth. Having arrived at his own definition of “enough” long ago, Bill has since turned his attention to a much bigger purpose: the Cummings Foundation, which has awarded over $650 million in grants to nonprofits throughout the suburbs of Boston and beyond. But to understand how Bill built an empire, we have to go back to the beginning. In this episode, he shares the early successes, failures, and the simple conversations with his father that influenced his views on price, value, opportunity, and what actually makes a great investment. Insights from today’s episode: Why Bill repeatedly buys properties most developers pass up The $500,000 commercial property no one wanted (that made a fortune) The key to maintaining high occupancy in commercial real estate The one type of commercial building Bill refuses to buy How to define “enough,” and what to do once you reach it — Cummings Properties Cummings Foundation Starting Small and Making It Big Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions. 00:00 Lessons from 50+ Years in Real Estate 05:43 Local, Buy-and-Hold Investing 12:01 Building Strong Culture 16:18 The Property "No One Wanted" 25:59 Bill's Recent Deal 31:14 How to Improve Occupancy 33:13 Property Red Flags 36:20 What Is "Enough"? 40:11 The Cummings Foundation 43:24 Connect with Bill!

Early on, most real estate investors are chasing the same thing: more. More properties. More units. More cash flow. But eventually, “more” becomes a trap.   Every acquisition brings new challenges and risks. At some point, the smartest move isn’t buying more. It’s pruning. Chris Lopez, co-founder of Property Llama and host of the PassivePockets podcast, argues that investors should act more like fund managers by routinely reassessing, rebalancing, and reprioritizing their investments.   Because the “buy and hold” strategy has a potentially dangerous blind spot: not enough investors consider the exit, or whether an investment is still the best use of their capital, time, and energy.   Chris learned this lesson when he decided to finally cut ties with rental properties that no longer aligned with his long-term goals. After selling multiple rental properties and moving much of his capital into more hassle-free, passive real estate investments, he had just one regret: not doing it sooner. Chris shares exactly what prompted the pivot toward passive investments, what he looks for when evaluating sponsors, and how to curate an investment portfolio that helps you build wealth without losing sight of your end goal. Insights from today’s episode: How Chris tripled his cash flow by moving from “headache” rentals into passive investments How to offset your capital gains taxes with the “lazy” 1031 exchange Why “passive” investing isn’t nearly as hands-off as many assume The biggest red flags to avoid when vetting a sponsor A cautionary tale for investors banking on future rent growth Real estate’s biggest investing advantages over stocks and bonds — Connect with Chris on LinkedIn Property Llama PassivePockets Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Tax liens are often pitched as a passive way to earn double-digit returns from investments that are backed by real estate. This is only half true. While these investments average 13%-18% annual returns, they may actually be one of the least passive investing strategies. With roughly 20 years of experience as a real estate investor, attorney, and title professional, Stephen Morel understands all that this strategy entails better than most. The truth is that most investors are thinking about these investments the wrong way. Tax liens aren’t a shortcut to acquiring cheap properties. In fact, only 1% of these properties ever get foreclosed on. Rather, tax lien investing is a yield play. Unfortunately, due to the complexity surrounding these investments, institutional investors with access to large amounts of capital have long had a stranglehold on this industry. Stephen is on a mission to change that. Through his tech startup, JurisDeed, he’s breaking down barriers and finally bringing these strong returns down to the level of the “small” investor. Today, he shares exactly how he and his team are simplifying the entire process—from acquisition to liquidity. Insights from today’s episode: How to make double-digit returns in 2026 by investing in tax liens Tax lien investing explained and how the auction process works The two phases of due diligence for every tax lien deal Why institutional investors have long dominated the tax lien marketplace How Stephen is bringing new investing opportunities down to “small” investors — Connect with Stephen on LinkedIn JurisDeed Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

America’s affordable housing crisis is well documented. We’re currently short millions of homes, and the number doesn’t seem to be going down. The problem is more complicated, but more solvable, than it appears. Factory-built housing—such as manufactured and mobile homes—has helped fill the gap for decades, and the capacity to build substantially more already exists. Now, new products are entering the market. Galiano Tiramani, co-founder and CEO of modular home manufacturer BOXABL, is spearheading the effort to produce their own model of affordable housing at scale. But as you’re about to hear, the greatest obstacle isn’t manufacturing, construction, supply, or even shipping. The real constraint is regulatory. Zoning restrictions, entitlement delays, and density limitations continue to determine where—and how—homes can be built. Unless these outdated policies evolve, we’ll be discussing the same housing shortage five, 10, or even 20 years from now. The technology exists, the capacity exists, and the demand is undeniable. The future of affordable housing is here; now we need to make room for it. Insights from today’s episode: The state of affordable housing in 2026 (and why it’s still an issue) Why innovation alone won’t solve the affordable housing crisis The model BOXABL is using to bring mass-produced modular homes to the market The different types of factory-built housing solutions (and how they work) How regulatory constraints have created an affordable housing bottleneck — Connect with Galiano on LinkedIn   BOXABL Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Real estate investors spend years mastering skills like analyzing deals, raising capital, and improving operations, but far less time thinking about one of the most important decisions they’ll ever make: the exit. Mike Hart, chief financial officer here at Sunrise Capital Investors, believes you should start planning your exit roughly a year prior to the actual sale, as this affects when you’ll pay taxes, what you’ll pay, and depending on the strategy, if you’ll pay at all. With over 30 years of commercial real estate experience, Mike has helped countless investors make smarter capital allocation and tax-efficient investing decisions. In this conversation, he unpacks some of the best real estate tax strategies used to defer capital gains tax and depreciation recapture, starting with the well-known 1031 exchange. He also breaks down some lesser-known alternatives, including Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs), and explains how they can help investors transition from active property management to passive ownership while continuing to defer taxes. Whether you’re looking to peel back from being a hands-on operator or preserve your wealth, this discussion will help you think more strategically about your next sale. Insights from today’s episode: The best strategies for deferring capital gains taxes and depreciation recapture The number one mistake real estate investors make when planning their exit strategy How to pivot from active owner to passive investor with a Delaware Statutory Trust (DST) Key rules and deadlines to be aware of before doing a 1031 exchange How to perform due diligence on a DST trustee before committing capital — Connect with Mike on LinkedIn Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

Many get into real estate with the goal of scaling a massive portfolio. Not enough stop to ask whether they should. The truth is that success doesn’t come from chasing every last opportunity. It’s about identifying where you have an edge, choosing your partners carefully, and having the discipline to walk away when a deal doesn’t quite fit. John McNellis is the founder of McNellis Partners and author of the commercial real estate classic, Making It in Real Estate. Over the course of a 50-year career, he’s completed roughly 100 real estate deals—most of which have been ground-up commercial development projects. Through thick and thin, John has stuck with retail real estate—even while others were predicting its downfall—and the asset class has made him very wealthy. But stay in real estate for long enough, and you’re bound to lose money. John opens up about the disastrous deal that nearly wiped him out, the three critical mistakes that caused it, and why he no longer works with big financial partners on his development deals. He also discusses the biggest mistakes new real estate developers make early in their careers and the million-dollar question every investor is trying to answer: what is “enough”? Insights from today’s episode: How John scaled a large commercial real estate portfolio through strategic partnerships Crucial lessons learned across a 50-year real estate development career When to stop accumulating assets and start pruning your portfolio How retail real estate has evolved over the last few decades What to know before structuring an investing partnership The three most common mistakes made on commercial development deals — Making It in Real Estate Connect with John on LinkedIn McNellis Partners Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.

One of the biggest mistakes investors make is confusing uncertainty with risk. When a deal looks “messy,” most operators walk away. They treat temporary problems as if they’re permanent and, in the process, overlook some of the greatest investing opportunities. Today, I’m bringing you another Sunrise Capital Investors case study: the Meadows of North Lewisburg and South Towne Meadows, a pair of manufactured housing communities roughly 30 minutes outside downtown Columbus, Ohio. On the surface, this 323-unit portfolio looked like a complicated deal with questionable management and an inflated asking price. Not to mention, most of these sites were park-owned homes, something that would usually fall outside our buy box. But rather than writing the property off, we identified its biggest “weakness” as a potential value-add opportunity. When other investors passed on this $20,000,000 deal due to its perceived risk, we trusted our numbers, backed in our leadership, and got to work. Nearly three years later, these two communities have already become some of our portfolio’s strongest performers, with NOI, occupancy, collections, and rents all outperforming our initial projections. But we didn’t get lucky. I’m sharing exactly how our team pulled this off, the biggest hurdles we had to overcome along the way, and what far too many operators get wrong: that strategy without execution is just theory. Insights from today’s episode: Case study: our $20 million manufactured housing deal in Columbus, Ohio Why these communities are performing 15% above projections The one thing you can’t fix about a property after purchasing it How to mitigate perceived risk with “conservative” deal analysis Turning an asset’s “weakness” into its biggest value-add opportunity — Ridgebrook Hills MHP Case Study Real Deals: The Biggest Mobile Home Community We’ve Ever Bought | Ep. 990

Imagine owning a property with enormous upside, but one that’s operationally complex and requires hundreds of thousands or even millions in capital improvements. What do you do? Selling leaves value on the table. A joint venture dilutes control and introduces unnecessary risk. So what’s the alternative? One of commercial real estate’s most underutilized capital structures: the ground lease. Danielle Ash, partner and co-chair of the ground lease practice at Adler & Stachenfeld, has helped countless investors generate predictable cash flow, preserve long-term ownership, and even unlock trapped equity with this often-overlooked strategy. She unpacks the three main “buckets” of ground leases, along with the sale-leaseback option that allows owner-operators to create liquidity for other projects. Danielle also shares a real-world case study involving a New York City property with massive potential and a $200 million renovation, managed and paid for by the lessee.  Whether the goal is to free up capital for future acquisitions or create a long-term passive income stream while benefitting from capital improvements, the ground lease is a powerful tool worth exploring. Insights from today’s episode: How to create long-term cash flow with commercial ground leases A real case study of a New York City ground lease deal involving a $200 million renovation (paid by the lessee!) The biggest risks to consider before entering into a ground lease agreement Why a ground lease is often a win-win for both owner and operator What lenders look for when underwriting ground lease tenants How owner-operators can create liquidity through sale-leasebacks

When investors hear the term USDA loan, they tend to picture small towns, farmland, and niche financing. In reality, they may be overlooking one of the best—and least understood—government-backed loan programs available for commercial real estate. In many cases, the USDA loan is an even better option than both the SBA loan and conventional financing. To explain why, we’re joined by Jordan Blanchard, commercial lending expert and co-founder of X-Caliber Rural Capital. With more than 30 years of banking and lending experience, Jordan has built a career out of helping investors unlock borrowing opportunities—like USDA financing—many don’t realize exist. Jordan unpacks the loan’s biggest advantages and trade-offs while dispelling the biggest misconceptions surrounding it. He also shares exactly what investors need to know before applying, as well as how to layer other financing options and tax credits into an efficient capital stack. There’s no sugarcoating it: USDA loans can be difficult to qualify for. But for investors needing large amounts of capital, flexible terms, and a lower-money-down alternative to conventional financing, the payoff is well worth it. Insights from today’s episode: USDA loans—how they work, who they’re for, and common misconceptions How to quickly determine if you’re eligible for a USDA loan USDA versus SBA versus conventional financing (pros and cons) The ideal capital “stack” for funding commercial real estate deals Inside the $185 million deal Jordan and his team recently closed The five most common reasons why operators default on commercial loans 00:00 Intro 03:05 USDA Lending 101 08:12 2 Common Misconceptions 11:52 Longer, More Flexible Terms 14:36 Creating Your Capital "Stack" 21:20 Who Is USDA-Eligible? 22:55 Biggest Investor Mistakes 32:08 5 Rapid-Fire Questions! 35:42 Connect with Jordan! — Connect with Jordan on LinkedIn   X-Caliber Rural Capital Email Jordan at [email protected] Recommended Resources: If you’re a high-net-worth investor with capital to deploy in the next 12 months and you want to build passive income and wealth with a trusted partner, click here for opportunities to invest in real estate projects alongside Kevin and his team.  Accredited Investors, you’re invited to Join the Cash Flow Investor Club to learn how you can partner with Kevin Bupp on current and upcoming opportunities to create passive cash flow and build wealth. Join the Club! Looking for the ultimate guide to passive investing? Grab a copy of my latest book, The Cash Flow Investor at KevinBupp.com.  Tap into a wealth of free information on Commercial Real Estate Investing by listening to past podcast episodes at KevinBupp.com/Podcast. Disclaimer: This podcast is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial, tax, or legal advice. Consult with a qualified professional before making any investment decisions.