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DZ-130: Positive Character Arcs
2026/09/01
Listen to understand how to dramatize a character's internal change.
Welcome to our third entry in our character arc series; and the first where we talk about characters that actually change. And positively, too.
We deep dive into BARBIE, WIDOWS and ALL OF US STRANGERS to work out what makes an arc feel positive -- even if the film itself is heartbreaking. All three films are "positive arcs" that feel wildly different. We speculate whether that's due to the nature of the relationship questions, the use of additive/subtractive rewards; and whether it's do with the connection of the characters needs and their goals.
We further crystalize two tools we've been kicking around:
The relationship question — take a character question ("will she learn to connect?") and pose it as a relationship problem ("will these two grow closer or further apart?").
Additive vs subtractive rewards — We continue buildling on this idea from our Steadfast episodes. Does the story give the character something or take something away? And is that a good or a bad thing?
And Mel brings up a third:
Repeating a beat from a different angle so we can trace a character's gradual evolution.
We also debate whether Barbie's void scene is a producer's note personified — a director going into the endless nothing to spell the themes out one more time.
All this and more on DZ-130!
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"A relationship question is taking what we think is an internal question about a character and defining it in terms of the relationship. Will Moana grow closer to their village coming back or will they'll grow further apart?" — Stu Willis @ 00:06:09
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:21 – Positive Character Arcs
00:04:47 – › Relationship questions as the key to dramatizing arcs
00:09:00 – Followup Questions
00:12:12 – Zero Context Insights
00:13:01 – BARBIE
00:17:16 – › The void scene with Barbie's creator
00:23:13 – › Immortality versus death as the real choice
00:27:02 – › Debating the lie the character believes
00:44:26 – › Gain versus loss framing the ending
00:52:34 – › Contrast and affinity
00:59:47 – WIDOWS
01:05:47 – › Establishing character patterns before the heist begins
01:09:37 – › Do the widows have values before the story starts
01:18:42 – › Skills and goals tightly tied to character growth
01:21:04 – › Alice's escalating value shift through the sugar daddy scene
01:25:04 – › Linda's grief scene and steadfast versus positive arcs
01:27:12 – › Veronica's arc through Harry's betrayal and revenge
01:39:33 – › Comparing ensemble arcs to OCEAN'S ELEVEN and THE TOWN
01:46:46 – › Relationship questions as emotional engine of ensemble films
01:49:36 – ALL OF US STRANGERS
01:55:38 – › Rebuffing Harry sets up the positive arc
02:02:15 – › Isolation to connectedness as the emotional throughline
02:07:24 – › Contrasting coming out scenes with mom and dad
02:11:26 – › The low point as emotional violence not distance
02:18:48 – › Dream logic and touch as physical arc tracking
02:23:20 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
02:26:20 – › Additive versus subtractive rewards in character arcs
02:29:58 – › Patreon shoutouts and next episode preview
FILMS
BARBIE (2023) — (w) Noah Baumbach, Greta Gerwig (d) Greta Gerwig
WIDOWS (2018) — (w) Gillian Flynn, Steve Mcqueen (d) Steve Mcqueen
ALL OF US STRANGERS (2023) — (w) Andrew Haigh, Taichi Yamada (d) Andrew Haigh
SCRIPTS
Study the script: BARBIE (2023) — Noah Baumbach, Greta Gerwig
Study the script: ALL OF US STRANGERS (2023) — Andrew Haigh, Taichi Yamada
SHOT ZERO DEEP DIVES
What You Don't See: WIDOWS
Frames within Frames: ALL OF US STRANGERS
LINKS
Read: Colour Theory: DESERT HEARTS
Read: Greta Gerwig Explains What Barbie's Bench Scene Really Means
EPISODES IN THE CHARACTER ARCS SERIES
DZ-128: What even is a Character Arc?
DZ-129: Steadfast Character Arcs - Agents of Change
DZ-130: Positive Character Arcs
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-108: The Emotional Event with Judith Weston
DZ-112: Breaking the 4th wall
DZ-113: Tools For Filmmakers To Talk To The Audience
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-130/
Teaser: Positive Character Arcs
2026/08/27
Teaser for our next episode: DZ-130. Please watch BARBIE, WIDOWS, and ALL OF US STRANGERS so you can learn about positive character arcs.
DZ-129: Steadfast Character Arcs - Agents of Change
2026/07/31
Listen to learn how to move an audience with a character who never changes.
Do characters need to change for you to have a satisfying story? That's a question we've been asking since, like, episode five of this podcast. And we're finally talking about them - whatever you call 'em: steadfast, resilent, or flat arcs.
To that end, we breakdown MOANA, APOLLO 13, and THE DRESSMAKER to work out what carries a story when a character arc doesn't. If your protagonist isn't going to change, the drama has to come from what they do to everyone else.
We develop some tools that we reckon carry a steadfast story:
doubt and wobble (a character with no doubt isn't steadfast, they're a psychopath)
emotional events between characters
additive rewards (something is gained) versus subtractive ones (something is taken away) - a distinction we've borrowed borrowed from operant conditioning;
and how that difference changes the emotional tone of an ending.
The subtractive reward is why a happy ending can still feel like loss... and it's the thing we reckon that'll matter most when we get to negative arcs.
Chas, Mel and Stu also wibble-wobble over WILLOW, TAKEN, FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF, THE MARTIAN, PROJECT HAIL MARY, THE GREY, ALL IS LOST, STAR WARS (as always), GREY GARDENS, PRISCILLA, and how many tampons NASA sent to space.
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"If your characters are not going to arc, if they are going to remain steadfast, then creating multiple smaller emotional events is really important to keep the story dynamic." — Mel Killingsworth @ 02:32:01
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:18 – What Is a Steadfast Character Arc?
00:04:24 – › Character as habitual action defines change
00:06:11 – › Operant conditioning reframes reward and punishment beats
00:09:14 – › Steadfast characters still need emotional stakes and impact
00:10:33 – The Questionnaire for Analysing Character Arcs
00:12:18 – MOANA
00:16:12 – › The I Want song and being pulled versus pushed
00:18:19 – › Doubt as necessary proof of steadfast resilience
00:26:54 – › Distinguishing upskilling and reward from true character change
00:27:25 – › Maui's full arc contrasts with Moana's steadfastness
00:41:15 – › Genre expectations teach the audience to predict steadfastness
00:45:10 – › Tracking Maui's and Moana's dramatized moments of change
00:53:08 – APOLLO 13
00:58:52 – › Riveting problem solving without character values changing
01:01:07 – › Jim and jack relationship as substitute emotional arc
01:12:12 – › Comparing disaster films that punish or reward steadfastness
01:20:02 – › Working through the arc questionnaire for the film
01:33:53 – THE DRESSMAKER
01:38:14 – › Debating whether THE DRESSMAKER is steadfast or positive
01:44:54 – › Tracking Tilly's three objectives and mystery of the curse
01:50:37 – › Teddy's death as subtractive reward and negative punishment
01:57:00 – › GREY GARDENS parallels and the town as social environment
02:03:10 – › How Tilly's steadfastness transforms the town around her
02:16:37 – › Testing audience expectations for change versus subversion
02:24:48 – › Values of beauty, love, and vengeance in the story world
02:31:45 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
FILMS
MOANA (2016) — (w) Jared Bush, Ron Clements, John Musker, Chris Williams, Don Hall, Pamela Ribon, Aaron Kandell, Jordan Kandell (d) John Musker, Ron Clements
THE DRESSMAKER (2015) — (w) Jocelyn Moorhouse, Pj Hogan, Rosalie Ham (d) Jocelyn Moorhouse
APOLLO 13 (1995) — (w) William Broyles Jr, Al Reinert, Jeffrey Kluger, Jim Lovell (d) Ron Howard
EPISODES IN THE CHARACTER ARCS SERIES
DZ-128: What even is a Character Arc?
DZ-129: Steadfast Character Arcs - Agents of Change
DZ-130: Positive Character Arcs
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-108: The Emotional Event with Judith Weston
DZ-126: Secrets and Clues
DZ-128: What even is a Character Arc?
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-129/
DZ-128: What even is a Character Arc?
2026/06/28
Listen to separate the three layers of an arc -- does the character change? How do they feel about it? And how is the audience positioned to feel about it?
Stu, Chas and Mel finally begin their long-awaited journey into CHARACTER ARCS. In this "primer" episode, we try find some learnings and analytical lenses that we can then apply in future breakdowns.
In this episode, we explore differences between a character learning something and a character fundamentally changing, how to dramatise that, and how the show teaches the audience to perceive that transformation (whether positively or negatively).
Throughout the discussion, we skate over A NEW HOPE, BLUE MOON, BREAKING BAD, BETTER CALL SAUL, the French real-time thriller FULL TIME, A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, THE GREEN KNIGHT, ALL OF US STRANGERS, PREDATOR BADLANDS, FIELD OF DREAMS, MEG 2, and Stu's receding hairline.
Ultimately, this discussion synthesises into a series of questions to ask of a story and the main point-of-view character living through that story:
Does the audience enter the story with an expectation that characters will change?
How does the story teach the audience to expect characters to change or not?
Do the characters change? Is it experiential change or internal value change? How is that dramatised?
Is the character aware that they changed? How do they feel about that change? Does that matter?
How does the story want the audience to feel about that change? If different to the character’s perception, how does the story pull that off?
How does the story world punish or reward the change?
What are the values explored by the arc? How does this relate to the theme?
How is contrast vs affinity/unity portrayed through the characters’ journey? Order vs disorder vs inertia
What is the emotional event created between the character and audience as a result of the journey? Does the character end up more intimate or distant from the audience?
In upcoming episodes, we intend to apply these lenses to stories with STEADFAST/RESILIENT arcs, POSITIVE arcs, NEGATIVE arcs and - potentially - a “WTF is this?!” arc.
Please check out our homework discussion on Patreon. And if you want to vote on the stories we're gonna breakdown, sign up!
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"Character arcs are really difficult to talk about because they're not just in isolation. Rarely is a film only about one character, right? So we're actually talking about how we harmonize other characters around them." — Stu Willis @ 00:12:16
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:17 – Character Arcs: A Primer on What We're Really Asking
00:03:13 – › Three layers of an arc: character, self-perception, audience
00:07:04 – › The four-quadrant map: change, no change, better, worse
00:10:15 – › Why calling it an arc is already a misnomer
00:13:35 – What We Each Want to Learn from This Series
00:19:56 – › Whether emotional authenticity is becoming more valuable than spectacle
00:23:37 – › Why stories let us safely inhabit experiences outside our own
00:30:04 – The Deep Question: Can Characters Actually Change?
00:35:49 – › Contrast and affinity as the design logic of transformation
00:41:40 – › The rock metaphor: external forces versus intrinsic change
00:46:43 – › Order, disorder, and inertia as the spectrum of arc types
00:50:29 – Three Layers of Judgment: Character, World, and Audience
00:56:45 – › How the filmmaker positions the audience relative to the character
01:00:01 – › Do audiences enter stories expecting change at all?
01:06:09 – › Mapping the inner journey against plot beats
01:09:28 – › Why low points exist to make the climax feel earned
01:12:09 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
01:26:47 – Thanks to Our Patreons!
FILMS
STAR WARS (1977) — (w) George Lucas
SHOWS
A KNIGHT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS — (w) George Rr Martin, Ira Parker
BETTER CALL SAUL — (w) Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould
BREAKING BAD — (w) Vince Gilligan
LINKS
Website: Bruce Block's The Visual Story
EPISODES IN THE CHARACTER ARCS SERIES
DZ-128: What even is a Character Arc?
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-04: Catharsis and the Post-Coital Cigarette
DZ-108: The Emotional Event with Judith Weston
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-128/
DZ-127: Secrets and Clues 2 - The Cost of Revelation
2026/05/27
Listen to learn the emotional impact of revealing secrets vs discovering them.
In this episode Stu, Chas and Mel apply the Landmark–Hidden–Secret framework (from DZ-126) across two very different genres: the thriller SIDE EFFECTS (2013) and the tragicomic pilot of SHRINKING.
SIDE EFFECTS is a film of two genres. The first half plays as a drama about depression and over-medication; the second half is a 90s thriller. We talk about how every time Dr Jonathan Banks uncovers a new piece of information, it puts him in danger — and that danger motivates him to uncover more.
In SHRINKING, we see a different use of the framework. "What are psychologists but detectives of the mind?" Rather than the cost of finding secrets, it's about the cost of sharing them. Chas also comes out of this with a paradigm he's been building toward (but we're keeping what that is secret until you listen!)
And inevitably we go on some tangents: whether SIDE EFFECTS should even have been an erotic thriller!
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"Every time Dr Jonathan Banks uncovers a new piece of information, it puts him in danger -- and that danger motivates him to uncover more." — Chas Fisher @ 00:26:04
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:16 – Intro: Secrets and Clues 2 - the Cost of Revelation
00:01:03 – Previously on Secrets and Clues (Recap of Part 1)
00:04:24 – Flashforward Insights
00:09:29 – SIDE EFFECTS
00:20:18 – › The First Half: Push and Misdirection
00:28:41 – › Genre Shift: Banks Becomes the Detective
00:48:06 – SHRINKING
01:00:02 – › The Inverted Paradigm: When Everyone Knows
01:07:47 – › The Cost of Sharing
01:22:02 – › Power Through Honest Acknowledgement
01:35:37 – The Key Tool Chas Learned
01:39:28 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
01:50:48 – Many Thanks to our Patrons!
FILMS
SIDE EFFECTS (2013) — (w) Scott Z Burns (d) Steven Soderbergh
SHOWS
SHRINKING — (w) Brett Goldstein, Jason Segel, Bill Lawrence
SCRIPTS
Study the script: SIDE EFFECTS (2013) — Scott Z Burns
LINKS
Website: DIY & dragons: Landmark, Hidden, Secret
Website: The Alexandrian » Advanced Node-Based Design
Website: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part One)
Website: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part Two)
EPISODES IN THE SECRETS AND CLUES SERIES
DZ-126: Secrets and Clues
DZ-127: Secrets and Clues 2 - The Cost of Revelation
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-90: Setups & Payoffs in EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-127/
DZ-126: Secrets and Clues
2026/05/05
Listen if you want to understand how hidden information drives character motivation and plot structure!
“Getting information puts your character in danger. And danger rewards your character with information." — One of three ideas we steal from game design in this episode. In this two part series, we talk about how secrets, clues and hidden information motivate characters and may (or may not) help you plot from a character perspective. Part One (this episode) looks at WAKE UP DEAD MAN; while Part Two looks at SIDE EFFECTS, and the pilot episode of SHRINKING.
The other two (related) ideas are:
Landmark information (characters just have it), Secret (they know it's there, need to unlock it), and Hidden (invisible until they pay the cost)
Narrative velocity — are characters pushed forward or are they pulled forward?
To that end, in this episode Stu, Chas and Mel start with the murder mystery (ostensibly the easier deep-dive): Rian Johnson’s WAKE UP DEAD MAN. But this is a complex film made even more complex by being a dual-protagonist film. Uhuh. Benoit Blanc is pulled through the story by his need to solve the case; Father Judd pushed through, against his will, to prove his innocence. Breaking down how that plays out — and why it matters for the kind of escalation each character can sustain — is the heart of the episode.
And inevitably we go on some tangents: pointers, plants, and underpinnings (from our Everything Everywhere All At Once episode) fair play in locked-room mysteries, Narrative POV (as always) and node-based plotting and what dungeon-crawl game design has to do with writing a web of clues.
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"Information puts players in danger and danger rewards characters with information, right? That's kind of the loop with like thriller game design." — Stu Willis @ 00:05:40
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:18 – What do we mean by Secrets and Clues?
00:04:17 – › Landmark, hidden, and secret information defined
00:08:10 – › Narrative velocity as push and pull for characters
00:13:22 – WAKE UP DEAD MAN
00:17:56 – › Key learnings preview: push-pull and narrative velocity
00:32:33 – › Mapping character awareness of secrets through WAKE UP DEAD MAN
00:58:21 – › Distinguishing secrets, clues, and hidden information
01:13:17 – › Benoit Blanc's character arc and the choice of grace
01:22:50 – KEY LEARNINGS & WRAP UP
01:24:22 – › Character drives how secrets are hidden and revealed
01:25:34 – › Narrative velocity and escalating stakes reveal character
FILMS
WAKE UP DEAD MAN (2025) — (w) Rian Johnson
SCRIPTS
Study the script: WAKE UP DEAD MAN (2025) — Rian Johnson
LINKS
Read: DIY & dragons: Landmark, Hidden, Secret
Read: The Alexandrian » Advanced Node-Based Design
Read: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part 1)
Read: Ascii Dreams: The Quest for Quests (Part 2)
Read: Mel's KNIVES OUT: A Rose by Any Other Name Would Not Clue Us In
EPISODES IN THE SECRETS AND CLUES SERIES
DZ-126: Secrets and Clues
DZ-127: Secrets and Clues 2 - The Cost of Revelation
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-90: Setups & Payoffs in EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-126/
DZ-125: Oscars One-shot - BLUE MOON
2026/02/26
Listen if you want to understand how narrative POV, screenplay format, and dialogue craft can elevate a contained biopic into an Oscar-nominated film
BLUE MOON is a talky, period-drama that film about an obscure songer-writer in the 1940s. Yet, it attracted world-class talent AND Academy Award nominations, including for it's script. Join Chas & Mel as they explore how narrative POV, interweaving relationships, hooky dialogue, and even the screenplay format itself make the script for BLUE MOON so great.
While Stu is still on show and we are between the 2026 Oscar nominations and the actual ceremony, our patreons selected BLUE MOON for this one-shot and boy are Mel and Chas glad they did. They dive into many lessons learned in previous episodes, like our character-driven episode… or analysis of French scenes in Adolescence… or the story-telling power that comes from the audience knowing the ending from biopics.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"When I say rules, I mean the prescriptive rules of when someone posts something on screenwriting and everyone goes *Oh, you broke all the rules*. I'm saying this is good. I'm saying most of those rules are suggestions or most of those rules are given to you when you are learning how to write for a reason." — Mel Killingsworth @ 00:38:42
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:32 – What Makes a Contained Biopic Compelling?
00:02:19 – Flashforward Insights: POV, French scenes, dialogue craft, and structure
00:04:32 – BLUE MOON: Plot Summary and Structural Overview
00:08:00 – › How script format signals emotional breaks in a real-time story
00:13:34 – Controlling narrative POV
00:17:13 – › Tragedy versus the life he would have chosen
00:24:09 – › Narrative POV as the film's core structural tool
00:27:49 – Using screenplay FORMAT to reflect the emotional story
00:31:56 – › French scenes and real-time spatial staging
00:35:40 – › How rule-breaking formatting signals emotional truth
00:39:27 – Interweaving relationships: Hart's Relationships as the A, B and C Stories
00:44:50 – › Hart and Rogers: the collision of artistic integrity and commercial success
00:49:14 – › Hart and Elizabeth: desire, repetition, and the just-not-that-way callback
00:53:08 – › The bar regulars as audience surrogates and mirror to Hart's self-awareness
00:56:46 – Repetition and pop culture references in dialogue
00:59:48 – › Repetition as lyrical structure in dialogue craft
01:03:49 – › Tonal variety and mixing registers in witty scripts
01:07:54 – Key Learnings
01:09:48 – › The hidden craft beneath real-time, single-location scripts
01:13:42 – › How cultural touchstones establish stakes without exposition
01:16:02 – Thanks patreons and Oscar-nominated listener!
FILMS
BLUE MOON (2026) — (w) Robert Kaplow (d) Richard Linklater
LINKS
Read: BLUE MOON - Scene Headings Breakdown
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-01: Do Screenplay Gurus win you Oscars?
DZ-68: Using POV to structure KNIVES OUT
DZ-118: ADOLESCENCE -- How Questions Create Dramatic Tension
DZ-90: Setups & Payoffs in EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE
DZ-35: Driving Characters or Character Driven?
DZ-63: Tools for Better Dialogue 2 - Hook and Eye
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2026/dz-125/
DZ-124: Making the Despicable Compelling
2026/01/30
Listen if you need audiences to root for characters who do terrible things
Mel and Chas continue to explore what Noir (the genre) can teach writers of all other genres. In particular:
How to keep the audience on side of characters doing reprehensible things;
How to control your audience understanding of those reprehensible actions; and
Distinguishing between characters undergoing transformative arcs against discovering their true natures
In finding the common craft tools of Noir over 100 years, this Part 2 looks at two modern noirs – DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS (1995) and WOMAN OF THE HOUR (2024) – after Part 1 looked at the classic DOUBLE INDEMNITY and THE LONG GOODBYE.
Despite Chas claiming to have edited this episode it was, in fact, Chris Walker who saved the day and got this done. Thanks Chris.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"I think these films have got really strong control over the questions and that's how they get us to follow, compelling us to follow characters who are doing terrible things." — Chas Fisher @ 01:06:08
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Using noir as a lens
00:01:56 – DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS
00:07:06 – › Period setting, race, and noir's embedded worldview
00:10:30 – › Voiceover as access to morally compromised decisions
00:22:02 – › How the film justifies rooting for Easy's transgressions
00:29:09 – › Character worldview versus film worldview in noir
00:31:33 – WOMAN OF THE HOUR
00:37:15 – › Why WOMAN OF THE HOUR qualifies as noir
00:43:25 – › The system as collective villain enabling the killer
00:53:12 – › Depiction without endorsement, empathy without sympathy
01:04:30 – Key Learnings
01:08:50 – Thank you Patreons!
FILMS
DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS (1995) — (w) Carl Franklin, Walter Mosley (d) Carl Franklin
WOMAN OF THE HOUR (2024) — (w) Ian Mcdonald (d) Anna Kendrick
LINKS
Shot Zero: Noir shots in WOMAN OF THE HOUR
EPISODES IN THE NOIR SERIES
DZ-123: Flawed Characters in Noir
DZ-124: Making the Despicable Compelling
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-123: Flawed Characters in Noir
DZ-03: Making Unlikeable Protagonists Compelling
DZ-110: Voiceover
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DZ-123: Flawed Characters in Noir
2025/12/31
Listen if you want to write morally compromised characters without endorsing their choices.
In this two part series, Mel and Chas use Noir (the genre) as a lens to interrogate flawed characters. How can characters doing reprehensible things still engage audiences? How can you ensure representation isn’t endorsement? And whether these characters undergo transformative arcs, or simply reveal their true natures?
Part 1 (DZ-123) focuses on two (now classic) noirs: DOUBLE INDEMNITY and THE LONG GOODBYE.
While Part 2 (DZ-124) looks at two more contemporary examples DEVIL IN A BLUE DRESS and WOMAN OF THE HOUR.
Despite Chas claiming to have edited this episode it was, in fact, Chris Walker who saved the day and got this done by the end of 2025. Thanks Chris.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"This is the philosophical question, right? When you get drunk, do you change what you do or do you simply allow your inhibitions to fall and do what you would normally want to do?" — Mel Killingsworth @ 00:42:04
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:17 – Flawed Characters and Noir
00:03:06 – › Writing morally compromised characters without endorsing their worldview
00:08:41 – › Defining film noir as genre, style, and worldview
00:14:27 – › Noir's reach across decades of screenwriting
00:16:40 – DOUBLE INDEMNITY
00:21:41 – › Diegetic confession and its structural function
00:27:17 – › Telling the audience the crime upfront removes justification burden
00:32:24 – › How everyman framing sustains complicity in a morally bankrupt protagonist
00:41:43 – › Whether morally compromised characters genuinely change or self-reveal
00:49:17 – › Film worldview versus character desire: crime without endorsement
00:53:38 – THE LONG GOODBYE
01:00:17 – › Save the cat: establishing a morally complex protagonist
01:06:26 – › Transgression, personal code, and the inevitability of noir failure
01:14:13 – › Character change versus worldview shift at the ending
01:21:15 – Wrap Up and Key Learnings
FILMS
DOUBLE INDEMNITY (1944) — (w) Raymond Chandler, James M Cain, Billy Wilder (d) Billy Wilder
THE LONG GOODBYE (1973) — (w) Leigh Brackett, Raymond Chandler (d) Robert Altman
SCRIPTS
Study the script: THE LONG GOODBYE (1973) — Leigh Brackett, Raymond Chandler
SHOT ZERO DEEP DIVES
Blocking a Sneak: DOUBLE INDEMNITY
LINKS
Read: Mel's A Brief History of Queer Coding in Film Part 1
EPISODES IN THE NOIR SERIES
DZ-123: Flawed Characters in Noir
DZ-124: Making the Despicable Compelling
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2025/dz-123/
1dZ-01: Arkyvrs - A Mansion Most Vile - Ep1
2025/10/26
What happens when a group of filmmakers play a ragtag group of filmmakers in a gritty sci-fi horror?
"Ignite the fire within and explore unknown territory" - Werner Herzog.
This episode is unusual, even by Draft Zero standards. It's an "Actual Play Podcast" where Chas, Stu, & Mel are joined by Kim Ho and Luke Clark to play MOTHERSHIP, the sci-fi horror game we talked about in episodes DZ-121 and DZ-122. Stu is the GM while everyone else is a ragtag crew of freelance filmmakers. We debrief the experience (so far) at the end of the episode)
Mel plays Zara, the glamorous face of the operation. Chas plays Winston, the cynical and egoistical "photojournalist". Kim is Cal, the scrappy scrounger and sound recordists, while Luke is Tarsos the steadfast producer of the group. The crew are enlisted to record a sensationalist report on a missing corporate president before the mercenary retrieval team arrives.
And yeah, this means we're soft-launching yet another project that's called 1dZ, which looks at how we can use tools from ttrpgs in screenwriting… and vice versa.
To get future episodes go to: http://www.1d-zero.com/
CHAPTERS
00:00:11 - Intro for DZ Listeners00:01:51 - Meet the Snortin' Betsy00:06:22 - A Mansion Most Vile (Ep 1)01:52:32 - Debrief through TOMBSRELATED EPISODES
DZ-121: Escalating Antagonism 1: SinnersDZ-122: Escalating Antagonism 2: Rebel Ridge + Meet the ParentsLINKS
Tuesday Knight GamesJoshua Kramer: A Mansion Most VileAlewood Games: ArkyvrNobody Wake the BugbearCampaign SuppliesMore Draft Zero is brought to you more often by our awesome Patreons. Especially Lily, Paulo, Alexandre, Malay, Jennifer, Thomas, Randy, Jesse, Sandra, Theis, and Khrob.
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DZ-122: Escalating Antagonism Across Genres
2025/10/01
Listen to learn how thinking of your hero as the horror (for your villains) makes your script dynamic.
In this episode Chas, Stu and guest Kim Ho continue their exploration into the power(s) of antagonism and how focusing on them can develop story.
While Part 1 looked at the horror film SINNERS, in Part 2 we venture into genres beyond horror with the action-thriller REBEL RIDGE, and the comedy classic MEET THE PARENTS.
To both these films we apply the generative story framework TOMBS (Transgression – Omens – Manifestation – Banishment – Slumber) and are surprised at just how well it maps. TOMBS comes from the MOTHERSHIP sci-fi horror table-top role-playing game. Which we love.
We explore how TOMBS, and thinking about antagonism in general, allows writers to deepen their understanding of their characters, their relationship of the heroes with the antagonists, and generate story fuel in a way that escalates the story.
We discuss how thinking of your hero as the horror for your villains helps everything become more dynamic.
Oh, and we talk about launching an actual play podcast. Which is happening. Stay tuned!
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"There's a great line from Don Johnson later where he says, the deal was fair. The issue is that you felt that you were allowed to offer it. He tells him that he has transgressed against the rules of the laws or the rules of this system of this world." — Chas Fisher @ 00:12:09
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:12 – Escalating Antagonism Part 2
00:03:29 – REBEL RIDGE
00:09:30 – › Writing loglines from the antagonist's perspective
00:14:36 – › Tombs cycle maps onto hero and villain escalation
00:25:07 – › Solve, survive, save structure in action films
00:33:16 – › Self-restraint as survival within systemic corruption
00:45:30 – MEET THE PARENTS
00:51:55 – › Greg's lying as the true transgression engine
00:57:41 – › Structural turning points and escalating disaster beats
01:01:28 – › Jack versus Greg's insecurity as twin sources of antagonism
01:19:33 – › Applying TOMBS structure to map omens and manifestation
01:30:29 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
01:34:38 – › Mapping antagonism sources to escalate story conflict
01:38:53 – › Expanding beyond Western storytelling structures
01:41:38 – Thanks to our Patreons
FILMS
REBEL RIDGE (2024) — (w) Jeremy Saulnier
MEET THE PARENTS (2000) — (w) Jim Herzfeld, John Hamburg (d) Jay Roach
LINKS
IMDB: Kim Ho
Explore: Mothership
YouTube: The Philosophy of Final Destination
Read: The Philosophy of Horror or Paradoxes of the Heart by Noël Carroll
YouTube: GinnyDI - "This Game used 5 steps to scare the crap out of me"
Listen: 1dZ-01: Arkyvrs - A Mansion Most Vile - Ep1
EPISODES IN THE ESCALATING ANTAGONISM SERIES
DZ-121: Escalating Antagonism in SINNERS
DZ-122: Escalating Antagonism Across Genres
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-49: Antagonists! 1 - vs Humans
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2025/dz-122/
DZ-121: Escalating Antagonism in SINNERS
2025/08/29
Listen to strengthen your story by focusing on the antagonistic forces in your script.
We often struggle to develop the middle stages of a story. Could this be because we focus on our protagonists’ journeys and plot structure more than on how the antagonistic powers are awakened, wronged, discovered, gathering strength and revealing themselves?
In this episode, Chas and Stu are joined by professional screenwriter and playwright Kim Ho to explore how a generative story cycle (from tabletop role-playing game MOTHERSHIP) can be used to develop stories, not just write them better. This cycle is TOMBS: Transgression – Omens – Manifestation – Banishment – Slumber. Kim also contrasts this cycle with the Onset, Discovery, Confirmation, Confrontation cycle identified by horror philosopher Noel Carroll, as well as the philosophy of the FINAL DESTINATION franchise as analysed by The Morbid Zoo.
By applying the TOMBS cycle to Ryan Coogler’s amazing 2025 original feature SINNERS, we discover how focusing on the rising power of the various sources of antagonism can generate narrative fuel (and make your second Act sing); force your protagonists to Survive, Solve or Save (pick one); and how this escalation in antagonism can be mapped quite separately from your protagonists’ character arcs.
To prove that TOMBS does not just work for horror stories, we polled our patreons for which other genres to explore. Stay turned for the next episode (DZ-122) where we apply the TOMBS cycle to thriller REBEL RIDGE and comedy classic MEET THE PARENTS.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"when you use those structures that are out there, they tend to be around plot and they tend to think primarily from the protagonist's point of view. And using this system, we can actually look at the forces of antagonism in a story." — Chas Fisher @ 00:06:31
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold open
00:00:18 – What is T.O.M.B.S?
00:06:31 – › How TOMBS shifts focus to antagonistic forces
00:15:22 – › Reading the five stages of the TOMBS cycle
00:24:12 – › Transgression as thematic and social boundary violation
00:31:04 – SINNERS
00:36:01 – › Delayed horror manifestation and the TOMBS framework
00:45:31 – › Mapping transgression and omens across dual antagonists
00:57:48 – › Confirmation, confrontation, and the stages of horror
01:08:09 – › Survive, solve, save as competing character objectives
01:17:51 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
01:23:51 – Thank you patreons!
FILMS
SINNERS (2025) — (w) Ryan Coogler
SCRIPTS
Study the script: SINNERS (2025) — Ryan Coogler
LINKS
IMDB: Kim Ho
Explore: Mothership
YouTube: The Philosophy of Final Destination by the Morbid Zoo
Read: The Philosophy of Horror by Noel Carroll
EPISODES IN THE ESCALATING ANTAGONISM SERIES
DZ-121: Escalating Antagonism in SINNERS
DZ-122: Escalating Antagonism Across Genres
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-49: Antagonists! 1 - vs Humans
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2025/dz-121/
DZ-120: Subtext is Overrated!
2025/08/01
Listen if you're struggling to write subtext without it feeling forced!
Or, how focusing on good drama will result in good subtext. We often hear how subtext is important for good screenwriting. We're here to tell you it isn't. Good subtext is a result of good drama, and your focus should be on creating that good drama. But how?
In this episode, Chas Fisher and Stu Willis are joined by screenwriter and teacher Tom Vaughn (Winchester) to delve into the world of subtext.
We kick off the discussion by talking through Tom's article "Why Subtext is Overrated" and break down his core idea that subtext is a byproduct of character goals, tactics and fears.
We explore this further through close examination of "the other way" scene from MICHAEL CLAYTON, "the strudel" scene from INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (both known for their subtext) and the "new years" sequence from THE SUBSTANCE.
Inevitably discussion also turns to the relationship of subtext to emotional truth, theme, symbolism, dramatic irony and filmmaker's subtext.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"You can't market subtext, man." — Tom Vaughn @ 00:36:51
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CHAPTERS
00:00:20 – Intro: What is Subtext?
00:00:21 – Cold Open
00:18:59 – MICHAEL CLAYTON
00:23:18 – › How character tactics generate subtext organically
00:27:26 – › Scene structure breaks down three beats of deniability
00:35:25 – › Subtext requires narrative groundwork to land
00:42:59 – INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS
00:46:34 – › French scene structure and dramatic setup
00:53:38 – › Filmmaker subtext versus character-driven tension
01:08:35 – › Writing the score: action lines as emotional music
01:13:48 – THE SUBSTANCE
01:17:41 – › Originality vs. universality in thematic storytelling
01:23:42 – › Reading the script's literal big print as filmmaker subtext
01:35:46 – › Irony and denial as competing interpretations of the ending
01:42:23 – › Subtext through fear: the date scene as contrast
01:46:13 – Wrap up & Key Learnings
01:48:00 – › Two layers of subtext: character awareness vs. filmmaker control
01:49:18 – › Subtext as spectrum between explicit and implicit meaning
FILMS
MICHAEL CLAYTON (2007) — (w) Tony Gilroy
INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (2009) — (w) Quentin Tarantino
THE SUBSTANCE (2024) — (w) Coralie Fargeat
SCRIPTS
Study the script: MICHAEL CLAYTON (2007) — Tony Gilroy
Study the script: INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (2009) — Quentin Tarantino
Study the script: THE SUBSTANCE (2024) — Coralie Fargeat
LINKS
Read: The New Literalism Plaguing Today's Biggest Movies
Read: Emotional Truth Over Subtext: Unlocking Compelling Scenes in Your Screenwriting
Website: Story and Plot
YouTube: Raising the Stakes - What is Subtext?
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-40: Tactics and Scenes
DZ-108: The Emotional Event with Judith Weston
DZ-119: Final Character Choices & Great Endings
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DZ-119: Final Character Choices & Great Endings
2025/06/18
Listen if you want to understand how to better dramatise a character's internal journey
In this episode, Stu and Chas focus solely on the final choices made by protagonists and how that reflects their character journey and successfully, or not, dramatises the internal.
We compare and contrast different uses of narrative POV in respect to these final choices. And in particular whether and when the audience is made aware of the options available to the character, the act of making the choice, and the consequences of the choice.
We breakdown examples from DUNGEONS & DRAGONS: HONOR AMONG THIEVES, FINDING NEMO, MICHAEL CLAYTON, PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN and TALK TO ME.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"A character has to make the most difficult decision of their life, and it becomes the crisis because each alternative poses a loss as well as a gain. And so, therefore, characters have to weigh what really matters most to them." — Stu Willis @ 00:23:48
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Opening
00:00:18 – Why Final Choices?
00:03:49 – › Narrative point of view and the order of choice, decision, consequence
00:07:03 – › How withholding character decisions shapes audience perception
00:10:45 – DUNGEONS & DRAGONS
00:15:57 – › The hero's choice: want vs. need, self vs. family
00:19:09 – FINDING NEMO
00:23:30 – › Crisis decision, catharsis beats, and the anatomy of a powerful ending
00:28:45 – MICHAEL CLAYTON
00:33:26 – › The Snowpiercer moment: dramatising binary choice visually
00:40:37 – › Hero's choice made off-camera and revealed through Karen's perspective
00:48:36 – › Character arc, theme, and the cost of moral compromise
00:53:11 – PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN
00:58:28 – › Withheld plans and dramatic tension in the third act
01:05:52 – › Posthumous agency and the hero's choice after death
01:13:45 – › Logic problems and the power of cinema over narrative precision
01:16:38 – TALK TO ME
01:19:39 – › Story structure and setup of TALK TO ME
01:27:36 – › The withheld decisive act at the climax
01:35:11 – › Ambiguity versus clarity in the film's meaning
01:41:45 – Key Learnings
01:44:37 – › Setup work that empowers climactic decisions
01:50:13 – Thanks awesome patreons!
FILMS
DUNGEONS & DRAGONS: HONOR AMONG THIEVES (2023) — (w) John Francis Daley, Jonathan Goldstein, Michael Gilio (d) John Francis Daley, Jonathan Goldstein
FINDING NEMO (2003) — (w) Andrew Stanton, Bob Peterson, David Reynolds (d) Andrew Stanton, Lee Unkrich
MICHAEL CLAYTON (2007) — (w) Tony Gilroy
PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (2020) — (w) Emerald Fennell
TALK TO ME (2022) — (w) Danny Philippou, Bill Hinzman (d) Danny Philippou, Michael Philippou
SCRIPTS
Study the script: FINDING NEMO (2003) — Andrew Stanton, Bob Peterson, David Reynolds
Study the script: MICHAEL CLAYTON (2007) — Tony Gilroy
Study the script: PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN (2020) — Emerald Fennell
SHOT ZERO DEEP DIVES
The Gags of the Scene - Dungeons and Dragons
Perp & Victim 2: Opening Kills in Horror (2000s+)
LINKS
YouTube: Michael Arndt - What makes an insanely good ending?
YouTube: Every Frame a Painting - Snowpiercer - Look Left or Right
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-04: Catharsis and the Post-Coital Cigarette
DZ-33: Protagonist vs Hero - Dawn of Character Function
DZ-34: Game of Choices - Decision Making and Character Implications
DZ-58: Game of Thrones - Character Exposition
DZ-84: Choices & Decisions 1 - Booksmart
DZ-87: Keeping Genre Fresh
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Full show notes at: https://draft-zero.com/2025/dz-119/
DZ-118: ADOLESCENCE -- How Questions Create Dramatic Tension
2025/05/01
Listen when you need tension without external stakes--subtext, stillness, and thematic weight do the work.
In this episode, Stu and Chas delve into the cultural phenomenon of ADOLESCENCE. We try to find the craft tools that have made the show so compelling and such a catalyst for conversation.
In particular, we breakdown how the show’s emphasis on questions creates tension: not just tension through plot, but tension through character, and ultimately tension through theme.
We analsyse the show episode-by-episode, and discuss how the overall structure skilfully shifts from a plot-heavy police procedural towards a thematic-heavy melodrama and the impact that has on our experience.
We discuss how the decision to shoot the show in a series of “oners” affects the writing and what tools we can take from that to apply to our own writing (even if we’re not writing it to be a one-shot): POV characters, handovers, French scenes, emotional events, and more.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.
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"The absence of plot does not mean the absence of tension." — Chas Fisher @ 00:00:00
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 – Cold Open
00:00:13 – Why ADOLESCENCE? Craft tools behind a cultural phenomenon
00:03:35 – › Melodrama, stillness, and the emotional contract with audiences
00:07:28 – › Unity of time as a narrative constraint and creative tool
00:09:38 – EPISODE ONE: Did Jamie do it, the audience question vs character objectives
00:13:10 – › Every procedure scene tracks impact, not investigation
00:19:29 – › POV strategy withholds Jamie to centre Eddie's emotional event
00:27:35 – › Who is the protagonist when plot belongs to the detectives
00:32:18 – EPISODE TWO: School as world, motivation as a character question
00:36:03 – › Luke's emotional event with his son unlocks the plot
00:39:24 – › Melodrama broadens the world through shallow but purposeful characters
00:44:35 – › A dialogue scene resolves character questions and opens thematic ones
00:46:47 – EPISODE THREE: Briony and the forensic interview as character excavation
00:51:12 – › Win conditions are hidden when the goal is understanding, not confession
00:55:07 – › Jamie's rage, restricted access, and what we project onto him
00:57:49 – EPISODE FOUR: Social realism melodrama and a light plot engine
01:00:19 – › The van incident as a vehicle for Eddie's sense of agency
01:04:13 – › Responsibility, inherited anger, and the thematic endgame
01:09:05 – › Incomplete questions invite the audience to finish the argument
01:19:05 – Melodrama: Ordinary People, Big Emotion, and Genre as Emotional Contract
01:23:32 – Scene-Level Tools: POV, French Scenes, Handovers, and Tension Through Questions
01:30:51 – › Introducing characters before they appear controls audience questions
01:36:59 – › Handovers and French scenes solve pacing inside a continuous take
01:44:22 – › The point of view character of a scene is whoever is most impacted
01:51:12 – › Using a character question to resolve a plot problem
01:52:56 – Key Learnings & Wrap Up
01:58:27 – Patreon Thanks
SHOWS
ADOLESCENCE 1x1 — Philip Barantini (d), Jack Thorne, Stephen Graham (w)
ADOLESCENCE 1x2 — Philip Barantini (d), Jack Thorne, Stephen Graham (w)
ADOLESCENCE 1x3 — Philip Barantini (d), Jack Thorne, Stephen Graham (w)
ADOLESCENCE 1x4 — Philip Barantini (d), Jack Thorne, Stephen Graham (w)
LINKS
Watch: Crafting Adolescence's Tense One-Take Episodes with Stephen Graham via BAFTA
Watch: The Making Of Adolescence: The One-Shot Explained
Read: 'Adolescence' Episode 3 Script By Stephen Graham & Jack Thorne
RELATED EPISODES
DZ-67: Writing Passive Protagonists & Melodrama
DZ-108: The Emotional Event with Judith Weston
DZ-101: Oners - Creating Immediacy & Anchoring Action on the Page
DZ-70: Joker & Melodrama
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Great analysis for anyone writing screenplays or novels
Really helpful for illustrating craft issues, (POV, openings, antagonists, choices, and everything in between). They do a particularly good job of giv...
impartial_observer 2021/08/20
5 stars!!!
STU-pendous. Fan-CHAS-tic. I’m sorry.
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I’m a comic book artist who has gained a lot of insight from the analysis you guys provide...so many great tools that can apply to comic book storytel...
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Craft Oriented
This podcast is great. It deals with how screenplays work and how to fix your own work. It’s super informative and exposed me to a lot of films I’d ne...
Brent Paper Trax 2020/07/30
Great stuff!
I’m a new writer, trying to learn the craft through books, pod casts, and lots of videos. Provides great breakdowns, with specific elements of the cr...
Jed O'Neill 2020/01/16
Talking too fast
Talk way to fast. I’ve never heard people talk this fast. It’s like fast forwarded or something. Crazy annoying.
Djmikamika1 2019/10/16
Awesome!
These guys present a great source of writing knowledge in a fun way. Their Steve Irwin accents add a little icing on top.
S_Kinig 2019/06/02
Love
The Lebron James of film podcasts. informative, detailed and a fun listen. Love their insights and analysis.
Waiting on a murder/ mystery / who done ...
badplastic 2019/05/24
Great
These guys are good teachers. Analysis/breakdown of what works and what doesn’t in screenplays. And, how that relates to your own writing. Thanks Chas...
samson1921 2018/09/21
Who loves Chas fisher’s love? 🙋🏻♀️
I love Chas fisher’s laugh. It’s contagious. I start laughing when I hear it. Seriously, guys this is an amazing podcast and will not regret an moment...
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