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He built a free tool as a lead magnet. Then customers started calling his cell phone, begging to pay for it. Ev Kontsevoy turned an open source SaaS side project into Teleport, now an 8-figure ARR business with 500+ customers. Founders will hear how a free GitHub project became an open source SaaS business worth eight figures - and why selling to the wrong buyer persona nearly capped growth. Ev reveals how he spotted the signal that his side project was more valuable than his flagship product, why shifting from engineers to VP buyers nearly tripled average deal size, and how open source monetization built trust closed-source competitors could never match. Teleport started as one component of Gravity, which was doing $4M ARR. COVID killed Gravity's pipeline while accelerating Teleport demand. The company now serves 500+ customers in 8-figure ARR, with AI agent identity emerging as a major growth driver. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔍 Respona → Get featured in AI answers on ChatGPT and Google AI Overviews 🔑 Key Lessons 🛠️ Your open source SaaS lead magnet might be your real product: Teleport was built as free demand generation for Gravity, but customers wanted to pay for it instead - listen when the market tells you where the value is. 🎯 Ask customers to sell your product back to you: Ev discovered most customers used a tiny fraction of Teleport by asking them to describe it, revealing a buyer persona mismatch that was capping growth. 🤝 Match your sales motion to your buyer's expectations: Shifting from engineers to VPs of platform engineering nearly tripled average deal size because the new buyer expected a sales-led conversation. 🔄 Focus is not a pivot - it is subtraction: Ev stopped four of five things Gravitational was doing and concentrated entirely on Teleport, which was already generating equal revenue with fewer engineers. 💰 Price with confidence even when improvising: The first Teleport enterprise deal closed at $25,000/year because Ev said "thousand" instead of "hundred" on a cold call - then built the enterprise product around real customer requests. 🚀 Open source SaaS builds trust faster for security products: Public code audits and community reviews gave Teleport credibility closed-source competitors could not match - a natural open source lead generation advantage. 🧠 Find startup ideas in the support queue: Ev found both Mailgun and Gravitational by listening to customer problems at his day job. This open source business model started from real pain, not brainstorming. Chapters What Teleport does and the infrastructure identity problem Founding Mailgun and the Rackspace acquisition How Teleport started as a free open source SaaS component COVID kills Gravity pipeline and accelerates Teleport demand The first enterprise deal - improvised on a cold call Why open source SaaS builds trust for security products Discovering they were selling to the wrong buyer persona Shifting from engineers to VPs - 3x average deal size AI as COVID 2.0 - identity for AI agents Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/480 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Most SaaS onboarding is terrible - rigid, pushy, and forgettable. Karel Papik spent 15 years designing video games before he looked at B2B software and thought: this is hopeless. He co-founded Product Fruits, a digital adoption platform that now serves over 1,300 paying customers. Founders will hear how gaming psychology transformed their SaaS onboarding and helped them break through the $2M ARR ceiling. Karel shares how Product Fruits grew from 6 customers to $50K MRR in 12 months using PPC as the sole acquisition channel, why their product-led growth strategy stopped working at $2M ARR, and how rebuilding the entire platform around AI turned their SaaS onboarding tool into something competitors can't match. Plus the "diamond axe" technique from gaming that drove 24-25% free trial conversion. Product Fruits is based in Prague, Czech Republic, with 25 team members and over 1,300 paying customers including KPMG, universities, and stock exchanges. The company has raised venture funding from Lighthouse Ventures and Reflex Capital, with the US as its biggest market. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔍 Respona → Get featured in AI answers on ChatGPT and Google AI Overviews 🔑 Key Lessons 🎮 Gaming psychology transforms SaaS onboarding: Karel applied the "diamond axe" technique from video games - give users the premium experience free, let them feel the value, then ask them to pay. Product Fruits used this to achieve 24-25% free trial conversion. 🎯 Test your biggest market from day one: Product Fruits targeted the US market immediately from Czech Republic instead of starting locally. Karel wanted to know as fast as possible if they could compete globally - and if not, fail fast rather than waste years on small markets. 💰 PPC works when you have the right operator: Most founders say PPC doesn't work, but Product Fruits scaled it to $1.5M/year with 8-9 month payback. The difference was hiring a PPC expert and optimizing landing pages rather than treating ads as a side project. 📉 PLG breaks down as onboarding products get complex: Product Fruits hit a growth wall at $2M ARR when the platform outgrew self-serve. Customers could not discover capabilities on their own, forcing a shift to sales-assisted growth with bigger tickets. 🐯 Rebuild before the decline forces your hand: Karel told investors he was pausing the current product to rebuild around AI - before revenue declined. Investors backed the move within 20 minutes, seeing it as a sign of a winning team rather than a distress signal. 🤖 Ship AI that solves real problems, not investor checkboxes: Product Fruits' AI copilot resolves 80% of support tickets without humans. Karel's test for any AI feature: can we sell it today? If it does not deliver measurable value, it does not ship. 🧠 Stop talking to customers when you need to dream: Karel's contrarian take - over-relying on customer feedback produces small improvements but blocks breakthrough innovation. Customers do not know what is possible in your domain. Sometimes you need to disconnect and imagine the future. Chapters Introduction What Product Fruits does and who it serves 1,300 customers across industries - not just SaaS Riding the tiger - the company philosophy Karel's video game background and meeting co-founder Ladislav Gaming psychology applied to SaaS onboarding The diamond axe technique - let users feel value before paying Growing from 6 to 1,300 customers with PPC Why PPC worked when most founders say it doesn't Pricing strategy and the "too cheap" problem PLG hitting a wall at $2M ARR The AI pivot - rebuilding the platform from scratch How investors responded to the rebuild decision AI features that actually deliver value 80% of support tickets resolved by AI What AI feature they decided NOT to build Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/479 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Three years. Zero traction. Then product-market fit hit - twice. Girish Redekar taught himself to code at 28 and spent years on failed ideas before B2B product-market fit clicked with RecruiterBox. Customers endured a broken PayPal payment hack just to keep using the product. He bootstrapped to 2,500+ customers, sold it, then found product-market fit again with Sprinto by paying for 10 audits before writing code. Girish shares how he validated demand using The Mom Test, why 17 of 20 GTM channels failed, and the 3 that drove Sprinto to 8-figure ARR with 3,000+ customers. Sprinto is an autonomous compliance platform with $32M raised and 350 people. AI is changing the business from three directions - product, customer operations, and external threats. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 B2B product-market fit shows up in customer behavior, not metrics: RecruiterBox knew it had something real when customers kept paying through a broken PayPal system with daily-depleting credits. The pain they tolerated was the signal. 💰 Sell a profitable business when you become the bottleneck: Girish sold RecruiterBox at single-digit millions ARR because growth had plateaued and the founders were not the right people to scale it further. 🔄 Eliminate product risk before writing code: Sprinto's biggest question was whether a consulting service could become software. Ten paid audits answered that before a line of code was written. 🚀 Harvest existing demand instead of creating it: Sprinto's first customers came from founder Slack groups, VC portfolio programs, and Google - places where people already looked for answers. 📉 Expect 85% of your GTM channels to fail: Girish tried 20 channels and 17 did not work. Partner co-selling and conferences only started working after Sprinto had brand recognition. 🧠 Founder-product fit matters as much as product-market fit: Girish passed on a WordPress competitor because the GTM required developer evangelism - not a strength. Pick the right problem for your skills. 🛠️ AI is hitting compliance from three directions: Product capabilities, customers running AI internally needing governance, and attackers using AI for sophisticated threats - creating compounding demand. Chapters What Sprinto does and key business metrics Failed ideas before RecruiterBox What kept them going through 2-3 years of no traction The PayPal payment hack that proved product-market fit Why they sold a profitable, growing business Finding product-market fit the second time with The Mom Test Paying for 10 audits to validate the product Product risk vs market risk framework 20 GTM channels tried, 3 worked How AI impacts the business from three directions Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/478 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

His competitors have raised hundreds of millions. ChatGPT can do the basics of what his product does. Sylvestre Dupont's entire company is six people. His competitive differentiation strategy - that most businesses want something simple that works in minutes, not enterprise complexity - is what keeps Parseur alive and growing 60% year over year. Founders will hear how Dupont rebuilt from rule-based to AI-powered parsing while bootstrapped, why simplicity is a stronger competitive advantage than features or funding, and how a tiny team's SaaS positioning bet is beating players with 100x the resources. Parseur generates 7-figure ARR with 1,000 customers in 70+ countries. Competitive differentiation through simplicity keeps them growing - bootstrapped, six people, 100% founder-owned. This episode is brought to you by: 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Competitive differentiation through simplicity beats enterprise complexity: Parseur's 10-minute self-serve setup wins against competitors requiring sales calls and hundreds of millions in funding. 🧠 AI commoditizes features, not end-to-end solutions: ChatGPT can parse one PDF, but it can't handle pre-processing, routing, compliance, and integration at scale - that's where the real product value lives. 💰 You can fund an AI rebuild from revenue, not investors: Parseur rebuilt from rule-based to AI-powered parsing using customer revenue, keeping 100% ownership and avoiding dilution. 📉 Launch failures don't kill the product - bad positioning does: Sylvestre launched to crickets, dropped price 80%, and rebuilt his approach from scratch. The product was fine - the go-to-market was the problem. 🚀 Integration partnerships pre-qualify customers: Parseur's Zapier connector converted at 20-30% because those users were already automation buyers looking to connect tools. 🎯 Horizontal SaaS works when your competitive differentiation is use-case specific: Parseur is generic, but their SEO targets individual use cases - making them appear vertical to each customer segment. 🤝 Genuine community engagement beats marketing at the start: Answering real questions on Quora without being promotional built trust and attracted Parseur's earliest paying users. Chapters Introduction and quote - keep it simple, stupid What Parseur does - automating data extraction from documents Business overview - 7-figure ARR, 1000 customers, 6 people Origin story - from travel map side project to SaaS The failed launch - a year of building, zero marketing Finding first customers on Quora Pricing mistake - dropping from $49 to $9 How simplicity became the competitive differentiation moat The Zapier integration that converted at 20-30% SEO as the 95% acquisition engine AI disruption - rebuilding from rule-based to AI-powered Managing AI costs on a bootstrapped budget Standing out against VC-funded players with simplicity Why horizontal SaaS worked instead of going vertical Adapting for the AI search era Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/477 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Five years to the first million. Zero dollars raised. NFL teams pay the same price as high school teams. Hewitt Tomlin built TeamBuildr into a $10M ARR vertical SaaS company by focusing on one job function and refusing to charge enterprise customers more. Founders will hear why flat pricing drove more growth than premium tiers ever could. Hewitt shares how a single conversation with a college strength coach pivoted TeamBuildr from a social app to industry-specific SaaS, why founders who plateau at $500K ARR have a product-market fit problem, and how building for a job function instead of a market segment unlocked every customer from high schools to the NFL. Plus: Hewitt's take on why he won't build AI features until his customers ask for them - even as his biggest competitor bets on replacing coaches with AI entirely. TeamBuildr has 45 employees, has never raised funding, and still operates on the same co-founder agreement from 2012. This episode is brought to you by: 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🏢 Build vertical SaaS around a job function, not a market segment: TeamBuildr focused on the strength coaching workflow rather than targeting colleges or pro teams separately. This unlocked every segment from high schools to NFL teams with a single product. 💰 Flat pricing can drive niche SaaS growth through social proof: Hewitt charges pro teams the same as high schools, trading premium revenue for NFL logos that validate TeamBuildr to the volume market. As a bootstrapped company, this was more pragmatic than building enterprise tiers. 🎯 Stalling at $500K ARR signals a product-market fit problem: Hewitt advises that founders putting in full-time effort but plateauing for consecutive years should stop tweaking their go-to-market and reexamine whether their product actually solves what the market needs. 🤝 Treat early users as partners, not beta testers: Hewitt didn't send logins and wait for feedback. He showed up at conferences, called coaches personally, and built relationships. His first customer Dr. Steve Smith is still someone he stays in touch with 13 years later. 🧠 Listen to what customers want, not what they say they want: Customers describe missing features because they can't articulate the outcome they need. Hewitt's job is to peel back the request and identify the real workflow improvement, then decide what to build independently. 🛠️ Don't build AI features for the sake of building them in vertical software: While competitor Volt bets on AI replacing coaches, Hewitt waits for actual customer demand. He uses AI internally for developer productivity but won't ship customer-facing AI without conviction it enhances the profession. 🚀 Inbound marketing gets stronger as your niche SaaS customer base grows: Hewitt transitioned from cold calling to inbound by telling customer stories. Following HubSpot's principle that the best inbound originates with customers, a growing base made content and social proof more potent over time. Chapters What TeamBuildr does and who it's for How the idea started as a social app in college Revenue, team size, and business structure today Pivoting from athletes to coaches The conversation that changed everything Building the MVP and making the first dollar Getting free users to actually use the product Listening to what customers really want Competing with Excel in a market that didn't know SaaS existed Five years to the first million in ARR How Hewitt knew he had product-market fit Outbound vs inbound on the way to $1M Why half the customers are high schools Charging NFL teams the same as high school teams Building vertical SaaS around AI without replacing coaches Why customers aren't asking for AI yet Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/476 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Sarah Ahmad offered her first product for free during COVID. Nobody signed up. Her next company hit 10,000 customers and 8-figure ARR. The difference was SaaS product-market fit - validated before writing a single line of code. Sarah shares how she and her co-founder tested demand with a landing page in the YC community, signed 100 paying customers using Google Drive and a Stripe link, and built Stable into the leading AI-powered virtual mailbox for businesses. She also explains why the SEO playbook that built the company stopped working and what replaced it. Stable serves over 10,000 companies - from solopreneurs to enterprises like DoorDash, GitLab, and Realty Income - with 50-60 employees and operations across 20+ US locations. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Test SaaS product-market fit before writing code: Sarah's first startup Mistro failed because she built the full product before validating demand. With Stable, she validated with a landing page and manual operations - signing 100 paying customers before writing any software. 📉 Zero signups at zero price means no product-market fit: During COVID, Mistro couldn't get users even for free. That signal was clearer than any metric - if people won't use it for nothing, the problem isn't pricing, it's relevance. 🛠️ Use embarrassingly manual MVPs for market validation: Stable's first version was Google Drive, Zoom, and Stripe. Customers sent IDs via email. It was embarrassing, but it captured real demand while the team figured out what to build. 💰 Spend enough on paid ads to get real signal: Sarah's team spent only a few hundred dollars per week on ads - not enough to know if the channel worked. She now recommends spending thousands to saturate high-intent searches before optimizing. 🚀 Word of mouth scales when you solve a real pain point: Stable reached 1,000 customers before hiring anyone for growth, with a team of just 6-7 people at $1M ARR. Genuine product-market fit drove organic referrals without a marketing budget. 🤝 Compensate for a rough product with exceptional customer experience: Sarah and her co-founder personally onboarded every early customer via Zoom and handled all support. People forgive a rough product when you solve a real problem and show up for them. 🏢 Physical operations create a moat AI can't easily replicate: Stable's processing centers and logistics network across 20+ locations give it a defensibility layer that pure software companies don't have. Chapters Introduction First startup Mistro and why it failed Discovering the virtual mailbox opportunity Validating demand with a landing page The no-code MVP with Google Drive and Stripe How Stable differentiated from legacy incumbents Getting to 1,000 customers with a team of 6 The paid ads mistake most early founders make From manual operations to building software How AI is changing the product and industry Testing SaaS product-market fit versus building blind Shifting from product builder to CEO Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/475 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

100 restaurants. Every order processed manually. Zero lines of code. Zhong Xu built Deliverect by turning integration partners into a SaaS distribution channel that scaled his product 10x faster than direct sales. Here's how he reached 80,000 restaurants and nearly $100M ARR through partnerships instead of cold outreach. Zhong shares why he launched with a Wizard of Oz MVP, how he convinced competing software companies to distribute his product, and why he opened 10 offices in a single quarter during COVID to block local incumbents before they could form. Plus: Zhong's take on why AI might turn his platform into commodity infrastructure - and his strategy to stay ahead. Deliverect connects delivery platforms like Uber Eats and DoorDash to restaurant systems across 50 countries. Zhong previously co-founded a restaurant software company that merged with Lightspeed, which IPO'd in 2019. This episode is brought to you by: 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🚀 Build a SaaS distribution channel through integration partnerships: Zhong partnered with 10+ software companies who each brought 100 restaurants monthly, reaching 80,000 locations across 50 countries faster than any direct sales team could. 🛠️ Launch with a Wizard of Oz MVP before writing code: Deliverect signed up 100 restaurants and manually processed every order before building anything, proving demand without wasting months on unvalidated features. 🤝 Attribute leads to distribution partners to avoid conflict: Zhong always credited partners for deals regardless of how customers arrived, eliminating the channel conflict that destroys most partnership-driven growth programs. ⚡ Enter every market before local incumbents emerge: Deliverect opened 10 offices in one quarter during COVID, betting that being number 1 or 2 early was cheaper than displacing entrenched local competitors later. 💰 Always charge early customers - free users give less feedback: Zhong found that non-paying customers feel guilty requesting help and stay silent, while even $50/month customers actively engage and provide honest product feedback. 🧠 Deep domain expertise creates unfair SaaS distribution advantages: Zhong's 12+ years in restaurant tech meant he had every partner CEO's phone number at launch, turning cold outreach into warm partnership conversations. 🎯 Build the intelligence layer before you become commodity infrastructure: Deliverect is racing to add AI-powered menu optimization and agent commerce because connectivity alone is replicable, but owning the restaurant intelligence layer is a defensible moat. Chapters Introduction What Deliverect does and how it works 80,000 restaurants and approaching $100M ARR How Zhong's father inspired his entrepreneurial journey Building one of the first tablet-based restaurant platforms Where the idea for Deliverect came from Why four co-founders and why distribution beats product The Wizard of Oz MVP - manual orders for 100 restaurants Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/474 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Joel Griffith's first customer paid $200 a month. His infrastructure cost $50. He was profitable from day one. But it took three years of nights and weekends before his bootstrapped SaaS hit $500K ARR. Then Google Cloud launched a competing product and a startup raised $60M to go after his market. His growth did not flinch - because eight years of content had built a bootstrapped SaaS moat that funding could not replicate. You will learn how to get first customers for a bootstrapped SaaS by teaching on GitHub and Stack Overflow, why a self-funded SaaS content engine that compounds over 8 years outlasts any viral spike, and how to scale a bootstrap operation beyond what you can handle solo by partnering instead of hiring. Joel Griffith is the founder of Browserless, a browser automation platform approaching $4M ARR with under 10 people. Joel is a jazz trumpet player turned engineer who went through five failed B2C ideas before building a profitable SaaS by solving his own pain as a developer. He has never raised a dollar. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Solve your own pain for bootstrapped SaaS success: Joel failed at five B2C ideas before realizing the problems he understood best were engineering problems - leading to a business that was profitable from day one. 🤝 Get first customers by teaching, not pitching: Joel's first 10 customers came from answering GitHub issues and Stack Overflow questions about browser automation, building trust before mentioning his bootstrapped SaaS. 🚀 Build a content engine that compounds over years: Eight years of blog posts, forum answers, and open source contributions now drive almost all inbound for this self-funded SaaS at nearly $4M ARR. 🏢 Partner to fill skill gaps instead of struggling through them: At $60K MRR solo, Joel partnered with Polychrome for hiring, sales, and legal instead of trying to learn everything himself. 💰 Bootstrapped SaaS beats VC-backed competitors through relationships: When Google Cloud and a $60M-funded startup entered his space, Joel's growth did not change because customers valued direct access to a founder with domain expertise. Chapters Introduction What is Browserless and who is it for Business size: nearly $4M ARR, under 10 people Five failed B2C ideas before finding developer-market fit Three years as a side project before going full-time Running solo to $60K MRR as a one-person bootstrapped SaaS Getting the first 10 customers from GitHub and Stack Overflow First customer: $200/month, profitable from day one Content engine still driving almost all inbound at $4M ARR Partnering with Polychrome to handle operations Competing with a $60M-funded startup and Google Cloud How AI agents created new demand for browser automation Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/473 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Vineet Jain arrived in the US with $100 and built Egnyte to over $300M in enterprise sales revenue - without freemium. While Box and Dropbox gave products away and raised billions, Vineet charged from day one. His first enterprise sales pipeline started with $6,000 in SEM. It took 12 years to hit $100M - then just 3 more to reach $300M. You will learn why enterprise sales can outperform freemium in crowded markets, how to land Fortune 86 enterprise customers as a 12-person startup through B2B sales discipline, and the inside sales strategy that kept cost of acquisition low while scaling to 400 staff selling to enterprise. Vineet Jain is the co-founder and CEO of Egnyte, a content collaboration and security platform with 23,000 enterprise customers and 1,400 employees. Egnyte has raised just $137.5M with no funding since 2018. In 2016, Gartner named Egnyte a leader alongside competitors that had raised billions more. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🏢 Enterprise sales can outperform freemium: Egnyte refused to offer free tiers while competitors gave products away and raised billions. Charging from day one built a sustainable B2B sales engine now generating $300M+. 💰 Start your enterprise sales pipeline with SEM: Vineet spent $6K on search engine marketing in month one. That systematic approach scaled to millions per quarter and still drives 60% of pipeline through inside sales. 🎯 Lead with compliance to win enterprise customers as a tiny startup: Egnyte landed a Fortune 86 company within its first 25 deals by focusing on enterprise certifications and content governance. 🛠️ Build hybrid when the market says go cloud-only: 30% of Egnyte's enterprise customers use hybrid deployment for use cases where pure cloud fails - like construction sites needing LAN-speed access to massive files. 🚀 Scale inside sales in low-cost cities to keep CAC low: Egnyte built offices in Spokane, Raleigh, and Salt Lake City instead of expensive tech hubs, keeping selling to enterprise cost-effective at 400 staff. Chapters Introduction What Egnyte does and company overview Revenue milestones - $100M in 12 years, $300M in under 5 more Arriving in the US with $100 and building from nothing First startup Valdero - raised $7.5M and failed Starting Egnyte with 4 co-founders and no funding Going enterprise sales only when everyone said do freemium The hybrid cloud bet Landing the first enterprise customers with $6K in SEM A Fortune 86 company visiting a 12-person startup Consensus is the shortest path to mediocrity AI strategy and the Egnyte Copilot launch Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/472 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Adam Markowitz spent seven years selling a nice-to-have in edtech. Then he built Drata and found product-market fit so strong that prospects called to complain his sales team was too aggressive. He signed 100 customers in six weeks and 1,000 in year one. The difference between a vitamin and a painkiller is product-market fit. You will learn how to validate product-market fit before writing code by talking to dozens of companies and auditors, why dogfooding your own product creates instant market validation, and how a "give before you take" AWS partnership made Drata a top 5 ISV on Marketplace in under two years. Adam Markowitz is the co-founder and CEO of Drata, a trust management platform with over 8,000 customers across 60 countries, 600+ employees, and $100M+ ARR. Drata achieved product-market alignment by solving a compliance pain Adam experienced firsthand at Portfolium, which was acquired for $43M. The company has raised over $300M. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Product-market fit shows in buyer urgency: Drata signed 100 customers in 6 weeks and 1,000 in year one - versus years to close the first 5 university customers at Portfolium where PMF was missing. 🛠️ Dogfood your product before selling it: Drata refused to accept customers until they used their own tool to get SOC 2 compliant, giving them instant credibility and proving product-market fit under real conditions. 🔍 Validate by talking to every stakeholder: Adam spoke with dozens of companies and auditors before writing code, discovering identical pain patterns that made the initial product scope and market validation obvious. 🤝 Give before you take with strategic partners: Drata brought thousands of first-time customers to AWS Marketplace before asking for anything, becoming a top 5 global ISV in under two years. 📉 Product-market fit means selling a painkiller: Seven years in edtech taught Adam what a vitamin feels like. At Drata, customers lined up because compliance was blocking their deals. Chapters Introduction What Drata does and the trust problem it solves Revenue, customers, and team size From astronaut dreams to NASA's Space Shuttle program Building Portfolium and selling for $43M The long road to product-market fit in edtech How the Portfolium pain led to founding Drata Validating the problem before writing code Using Drata to get their own SOC 2 before selling Signing 100 customers in six weeks Building the Auditor Alliance partner program The AWS Marketplace strategy and give-before-you-take Why aggressive sales culture was intentional AI tailwinds for compliance and trust Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/471 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Livestorm went from $2M to $9M ARR in one year during COVID - then lost SaaS product-market fit. Gilles Bertaux expanded into meetings and sales demos, turning Livestorm into a smaller Zoom. After a failed Series C, he rebuilt SaaS product-market fit by narrowing to enterprise webinars for European marketers in banking and pharma. You will learn why explosive growth can mask fragile SaaS product-market fit, how to rebuild PMF by narrowing positioning instead of expanding features, and why shifting from PLG to enterprise sales required replacing almost the entire sales team. Gilles Bertaux is the co-founder and CEO of Livestorm, a webinar platform for enterprise marketers. The company generates nearly $20M ARR with 3,500 customers and has raised $35M. Gilles built Livestorm as a university project in 2016, grew it through SEO and Quora, then navigated the product-market alignment challenge of post-COVID market validation. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 SaaS product-market fit can be lost by expanding too broadly: Livestorm added meetings and sales demos after COVID, becoming a smaller Zoom with no clear differentiator and declining conversion rates. 📉 Explosive growth can mask fragile PMF: Going from $2M to $9M ARR felt like traction, but 85% of customers were on monthly plans - one click away from churning overnight. 🏢 Narrow positioning wins against giants: Livestorm stopped competing feature-for-feature with Zoom and differentiated on three dimensions - European company for security, marketers only, and specific industries. 🔄 Enterprise sales requires rebuilding, not retraining: Reps who closed inbound leads could not cold-call 10,000-person companies. Gilles replaced almost the entire sales team with enterprise outbound specialists. 💰 A failed fundraise can force the right strategic shift: When Series C investors said no, Livestorm had to become profitable - pushing toward enterprise customers on annual contracts who pay more and stay longer. Chapters Introduction What Livestorm does and revenue milestones Building Livestorm as a university project The disastrous first webinar launch SEO, Quora, and co-marketing as early growth engines How SaaS product-market fit shifted after COVID Going from $2M to $9M ARR in one year Post-COVID churn and the virtual event collapse Losing SaaS product-market fit by becoming a smaller Zoom Rebuilding positioning around Europe, marketers, and industries The painful shift from PLG to enterprise sales Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/470 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Every wireframing tool claimed to use AI - but they were faking it. Adam Fard tested the competition, found they were swapping templates, and built an AI SaaS that actually generates wireframes from scratch. UX Pilot went from side project to $5.3M ARR in under two years. You will learn how to validate an AI SaaS opportunity by testing competitor claims, why a code-first architecture creates a competitive moat for an AI-powered SaaS product, and the content strategy that built a 600,000-subscriber newsletter without generic educational content. Adam Fard is the founder of UX Pilot, an AI startup that helps product design teams create wireframes and ship UX work faster. He bootstrapped the company using revenue from his UX agency, growing from $3M to $5.3M ARR in just 5 months with 15,000 paying subscribers and a 30-person team. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Test competitor claims to find AI SaaS opportunities: Adam discovered other wireframing tools were faking AI generation by swapping templates, revealing a genuine technical gap nobody else could solve. 💰 Fund your AI SaaS with existing revenue: Agency income removed VC pressure and let Adam iterate for 6-7 months on fine-tuning LLMs and component-based approaches without chasing growth. 🚀 Focus on one hard problem instead of building with AI for everything: While competitors built no-code tools that did everything, Adam focused exclusively on AI wireframe generation for the design phase. 📈 SEO still works for AI-powered SaaS: Despite claims that SEO is dead, Adam captured high-intent keywords around design, UX, and AI generation by being one of the first products to target them. 🛠️ Talk about product updates, not educational content: Adam got more newsletter engagement sharing UX Pilot features than sending generic UX education - 600,000 subscribers engaged more with product news. Chapters Introduction What UX Pilot does and who it's for Revenue, team size, and growth metrics Running a UX agency when ChatGPT launched The user question that sparked the AI SaaS idea Testing competitors and discovering they were faking AI Why creating wireframes with AI was technically hard Building an MVP and exploring fine-tuning LLMs Building a 600K subscriber newsletter from product signups Getting to the first million in ARR with LinkedIn and SEO The inflection point from $3M to $5.3M ARR in 5 months Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/469 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

Two Uber product designers raised $3 million, built a scheduling tool, and watched it fail for two years. Then Tito Goldstein threw it out, rebuilt with composable Legos, and outsold the previous two years in the first month. That's the moment B2B product-market fit arrived. Tito reveals the brutal reality of searching for B2B product-market fit when you're too close to the solution, why composability beats cookie-cutter features for market validation, and how listening to what customers don't say became TeamBridge's unfair advantage. TeamBridge is a composable workforce operating system serving over 500,000 employees across 200+ enterprise customers including NFL stadiums. Tito and his co-founder were two of the first principal product designers at Uber before founding TeamBridge. This episode is brought to you by: 🌎 ThreatLocker → Book a demo 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 B2B product-market fit hides in what customers don't say: TeamBridge buyers asked for features, but the real pain was "I need to stand out, not use the same software as competitors." The unstated need pointed to composability as the path to PMF. 📉 Sunk cost kills product-market fit - be willing to start over: After two years of near-zero revenue, Tito scrapped the scheduling tool and rebuilt as composable Legos that outsold two years of efforts in month one. 🏢 B2B product-market fit shifts as you move upmarket: SMBs wanted plug-and-play, but enterprise customers had unique workflows no off-the-shelf tool could handle. Composability naturally gravitates toward larger companies. 🤝 Enter new verticals by admitting you're naive but capable: When TeamBridge approached NFL stadiums, they openly said they were new to the space. First-mover partners were attracted to honest positioning and composable technology. 🔄 COVID constraints can accelerate go-to-market maturity: When door-to-door sales died overnight, TeamBridge's product-designer founders had to learn outbound email and cold calling - building market validation muscles that still power their motion. Chapters Introduction and favorite quotes What TeamBridge does and who it serves Why composability matters for workforce software Origin story: interviewing Uber drivers Raising $3M seed with just a prototype Why it took 2 years to find B2B product-market fit The pivot: from scheduling to composable Legos First significant sale during COVID Finding the right messaging and storytelling Moving upmarket to enterprise customers Discovery-first selling: hold the pitch until you know the pain Learning the nuances of each vertical Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/468 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

He wore a Stanford sweatshirt to a conference. Five minutes later, he had his first customer. Nate Baker found his first customers through network selling, not cold outreach - then lived in that customer's basement for a year. That relationship set the foundation for Qualia's growth to $100M ARR. Nate reveals why the first 25 Qualia employees rotated through Barry's basement to learn the industry, the multi-year upfront contracts that brought forward $100K in cash at just $45K ARR, and the wake-up call when a VP of Sales said: "I've never seen such a gap between great product and incompetent sales execution." Qualia is a title software platform generating over $100M in ARR with 600 employees and $200M+ raised. Nate started building at 21 with zero real estate experience and found his early customers entirely through network-based relationships. This episode is brought to you by: 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🤝 First customers must come from network selling: Nate says your first 10 customers have to be in-network sales. Barry introduced Qualia to his competitors, building the foundation for initial traction. 🏠 Embed yourself with first customers to learn their world: Nate and the first 25 Qualia employees rotated through living in Barry's basement. "To actually understand what your customer does, you just have to be so in it." 💰 Use multi-year upfront contracts to align early incentives: Qualia offered 5-year contracts at 80% discounts, collecting $100K upfront from early customers when they had just $45K ARR. 🗺️ Geographic focus beats national expansion for first customers: Qualia stayed in Massachusetts for the first year, building density and network effects in one state before expanding. 🔧 Hire sales leadership before you think you're ready: At $45K ARR, Qualia's VP of Sales exposed the gap between great product and incompetent execution. Within 12 months they hit $3.5M ARR. Chapters Introduction and what Qualia does How Nate picked the title software market at 21 Finding first customer Barry Feingold at a conference Living in Barry's basement for a year When Barry's vendor shut him off overnight Why narrow geographic focus beats national expansion How to get first customers to pay before building The multi-year upfront contract strategy Network selling vs cold outreach for first customers The wake-up call: "Great product, incompetent execution" Moving upmarket and geographic expansion How AI is changing the opportunity Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/467 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email

A cold text to a stranger's phone number. Nine months just to close the POC paperwork. Yosef Peterseil landed McDonald's as his first B2B SaaS sales customer while bootstrapping with zero revenue. The lesson: charging even $3,000 for a POC completely changes the dynamics of closing deals. Yosef reveals why their original ICP of customer success managers had no budget, how 70 hard-earned event leads went cold because they had no follow-up system, and the 13-month contract structure that eliminated double-negotiation traps in B2B deal cycles. Blings is a personalized video platform serving enterprise sales customers including McDonald's, Mercedes, Meta, and Rocket Mortgage. The company hit $1M ARR in 2023 with a team of 19. This episode is brought to you by: 💖 Gearheart → Book a free consult and get the first 20 hours free 🔑 Key Lessons 🎯 Validate ICP budget before building your B2B SaaS sales motion: Yosef interviewed dozens of customer success managers before discovering they had no budget - pivoting to marketing where the money was saved months of wasted effort. 💰 Always charge for POCs in B2B SaaS sales: Even $3,000-$5,000 forces customers to prioritize your project, starts vendor onboarding, and signals they're serious about closing deals rather than just exploring. 📄 Combine POC and commercial into one contract: Yosef lost months negotiating POC terms only to negotiate again for the commercial deal - 13-month contracts with first-month exit clauses eliminated the trap. 📉 Build follow-up systems before generating leads: Blings spent $20K-$30K on a conference and captured 70 leads, but had no lead scoring or sequences - the entire investment was wasted. 🔗 Use channel partners to scale enterprise sales doors: Recruiting industry veterans to open doors for recurring commission scaled Blings faster than direct B2B SaaS sales alone. Chapters Introduction and favorite quote What Blings does - the MP5 video format Company metrics and enterprise customers Validating the ICP through customer interviews Pivoting from customer success to marketing Landing McDonald's through a cold text Closing the first B2B SaaS sales POC Why you should always charge for POCs Event marketing mistakes - 70 lost leads Hiring salespeople too early Building channel partner relationships Lightning round Resources Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/466 Join 5,000+ SaaS founders: https://saasclub.io/email