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Homes and buildings are more than just boxes filled with air at the right temperature; they are complex thermodynamic environments deeply coupled with our bodies, minds, and emotions. We are lucky to be alive during this time of change in how the AEC understands what creates and delivers thermal comfort. Beyond the static “thermal blandness” model of the 1970s, we now realize that transient thermal dynamics can deliver both comfort and “thermal delight” through membrane assisted radiant cooling Nanophotonic tuned systems. Join us for a lively and thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Dorit Aviv, an architect and engineer working at U Penn.  Dorit, a practicing architect and engineer who now leads cutting-edge research on the design of thermal environments both indoors and out. Her work bridges the gap between the wisdom of ancient cooling and heating systems and high-tech 'future-casting' with spectrally selective materials to unlock membrane-assisted radiant cooling in humid environments. Along the way, we’ll dive into the mechanisms of thermal comfort, the human experience of thermal environments and recognize that society is due for an upgrade in the way we think about delivering comfort.  We conclude by pointing out the sobering reality that, thermal stress is increasingly becoming a health hazard for society. Just as society did with sewage and sanitation codes, we now face the need for a holistic approach to heat stress. Fortunately researchers like Dorit are setting us up to be able to prevent loss of life to thermal stress. Now is the time for all of us in the AEC to recognize the need for the 'Architecture of Public Health’ when it comes to our thermal environment. Dorit Aviv

An interview with Kelly Alvarez Doran Why do our building codes encourage carbon pollution? How have we landed in a "progress paradox," where older buildings often outperform new ones in both operational and embodied energy? In this episode, we sit down with Kelly Alvarez Doran, co-founder of Ha/f Climate Design, to unpack the hidden impacts of the built environment—a sector responsible for nearly 40% of global emissions. The good news is that architects and planners can use their agency to stop these "right now" pollutants. Meaningful decarbonization doesn’t have to cost a premium: Kelly shares how simple material swaps recently slashed a UK project's carbon by 26% (800 tonnes) with zero impact on the budget or schedule. Kelly Alvarez Doran Kelly is a father, architect and educator. His holistic approach to the design of the built environment has been shaped by his experiences working across the world - first in the resource development sector, and later as MASS Design Group’s East African Director where he led the design and implementation of several of MASS’s projects, notably the Rwanda Institute for Conservation Agriculture–winner of several international awards for sustainable design and construction. Working in these contexts brought about a profound sense of the scales of social and environmental impacts inherent to the built environment.  Kelly is an Adjunct Professor at the University of Toronto, a Senior Fellow of Architecture 2030, a founding member of the Bio-based Materials Collective, a winner of the Canada Council’s Prix de Rome for Emerging Practitioners, and a member of the RAIC’s Committee on Regenerative Environments. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

In this episode, Kristof sits down with sustainability expert Josh Jacobs to demystify the ins and outs of Life Cycle Assessments (LCAs), Environmental Product Declarations (EPDs), Product Category Rules (PCRs) and ISO Standards that are causing a decarbonization to happen around the world. Translating the complex data of an LCA into a standardized format, EPDs function as 'nutrition labels' for building materials, helping designers and specifiers count the 'carbon calories' of everything from steel girders to heat pumps. Josh and Kristof explore the critical shift from focusing exclusively upon operational carbon to including embodied carbon in the carbon reduction conversation, break down the cradle-to-grave phases of building materials, and offer actionable insights on using better data to make truly sustainable design decisions. Apologies that Kristof’s mic was clipping.  Josh Jacobs Josh has helped numerous AHJs develop and implement sustainable purchasing policies and requirements, including but not limited to: the US General Service Administration, the US Military through the UFGS, the State of California, the city of New York, the Building Construction Authority of Singapore, and numerous universities and private businesses. Josh has also helped develop influential materials, human health, product emissions, and indoor air quality criteria in numerous global codes and rating systems, including but not limited to LEED v4 and v4.1, Fitwel, Green Globes, CALGreen, IgCC, ASHRAE 189.1, and BREEAM. He also works with organizations investor relations and sustainability teams to understand ESG financial reporting tools such as SASB, GRI, and TCF along with looking at their carbon footprint. Links from the Episode Organizations Mentioned: MEP2040: An organization and steering committee focused on decarbonizing mechanical, electrical, and plumbing systems. WAP Sustainability Consulting: A large life cycle assessment organization that helps manufacturers create EPDs. SLR: A global environmental and advisory firm that owns WAP. USGBC: The U.S. Green Building Council, associated with the LEED rating system. ASHRAE: The American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers. ISO: The International Organization for Standardization. NSF: An organization with an EPD program (distinct from the National Science Foundation - originally focused on water certification). UL: Underwriters Laboratories, an early EPD program operator in North America. ICC-ES: The International Code Council Evaluation Service, an EPD program operator. ASTM: An organization that features an EPD program. ANSI: The American National Standards Institute. CIBSE: The Chartered Institution of Building Services Engineers based in the UK. NAHB: The National Association of Home Builders. Standards and Financial Tools ISO 14040 / ISO 14044: International standards that provide the framework and guidelines for conducting LCAs. ISO 14025: The standard that governs how program operators run EPD programs and dictates what should be included in an EPD. ISO 21930: The overarching Product Category Rule (PCR) for building materials typically used in the Americas. EN 15804: The European equivalent to ISO 21930. ISO 20400: The standard for Sustainable Procurement. ASHRAE 189.1: A standard for the design of high-performance green buildings. IgCC: The International Green Construction Code. CIBSE TM65 / North American CIBSE/ASHRAE TM65: A standard that approximates an LCA to provide directionally accurate information when a full EPD is not available. SASB, GRI, TCFD: Sustainable financial reporting tools used by organizations and investor relations teams. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Robert Bean and Lance MacNevin In this episode we unpack the rapidly transforming world of hydronic heating and cooling. We are joined by two seasoned veterans of the industry, Robert Bean and Lance MacNevin. With many decades of real-world experience and hard-earned perspective between them, they offer a thoughtful and engaging look into why hydronics is at the forefront of modern, highly efficient building practices. Robert is (attempting to be) a retired engineering technology professional and ASHRAE Fellow, while Lance brings his extensive background serving as the Director of Engineering at the Plastics Pipe Institute.  This episode is packed with sound-bite worthy moments as our guests cut through the noise to discuss the realities of hydronic-based thermal comfort. Whether you are a homeowner, architect, or builder, you will find their independent, expert perspectives well worth listening to and holding on to. This is definitely an episode you will want to bookmark and share with anyone interested in the future of the HVAC industry! Robert Bean Robert Bean is a retired engineering technology professional who specialized in the design of indoor environments and high-performance building systems. Mr. Bean is an ASHRAE Fellow and ASHRAE Distinguished Lecturer, recipient of the Lou Flagg Award, Distinguished Service Award, and instructor for the ASHRAE Learning Institute. He has authored many papers, articles, and course curricula, and has served on numerous technical committees related to indoor environmental quality, building, and energy systems. Lance MacNevin Lance MacNevin, P.Eng. is the senior director of engineering for the Plastics Pipe Institute’s Building & Construction Division, with expertise on pressure pipes such as CPVC, HDPE, PEX, PE-RT, and PP. Lance has been in the plastic pipe industry since 1993, working as an R&D engineer, codes and standards specialist, and trainer for a major piping manufacturer for over twenty years before joining PPI in 2015. In this role, he focuses on plumbing and mechanical systems, coordinating research, education, and advocacy activities. He is an active member of ASHRAE, ASPE, ASTM, AWWA, CSA, IAPMO, ICC, IGSHPA, NSF, and RPA. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Dr. Eva King Our homes are indoor environments of our own making. These environments exist to make our lives better but often unintentionally expose us to contaminants—chemical and microbial—that harm our health and wellbeing. For genetically susceptible individuals, these routine exposures can trigger a breakdown in the body's natural tolerance, leading to chronic inflammatory and neurological symptoms such as CIRS, TILT, and PANS/PANDAS. In a sadly apt metaphor, we are the canaries and our home is the coal mine.  Today, we are joined by a frontline expert in this field, Dr. Eva King. Eva holds a Masters in Biochemistry and a Doctorate in Immunology/Epidemiology from the University of Oxford. She has dedicated more than two decades investigating the intersection of indoor environments and human health. Her focus is helping clients with underlying medical conditions identify and address building-related issues that contribute to their health problems. This interview is fuel for the journey to flip our indoor environments from being a major contributor to chronic disease to becoming a primary solution. This is a central and sobering topic for all of us with agency in the AEC. Please listen and share. Eva King Dr. Eva King, principal and founder of AURA EnviroScience, has been involved in investigations and research into indoor environments and health, allergens, asthma and immunology for about 20 years. Her work has been published in many peer-reviewed scientific publications, and she regularly presents at conferences and workshops. Her focus is helping clients with underlying medical conditions identify building-related problems that contribute to their health issues, often by direct physician referral. Dr. King received her Master in Biochemistry in her native Germany, and her Doctorate in Immunology/Epidemiology from the University of Oxford, UK, and is a Council-certified Indoor Environmental Consultant (CIEC, ACAC #180311). She is a member of ASHRAE, the American Industrial Hygiene Association (AIHA), American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH), and the International Society of Indoor Air Quality and Climate (ISIAQ), and previously served on the Board of Directors and as Technical Conference Chair of the Indoor Air Quality Association. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

The Humid Climate Conference (HCC) is officially back in Austin this May 4th & 5th, and we have a fantastic line up of speakers and topics for our 10th anniversary. It’s time to step away from the Zoom screen and have some live 3D human interaction!  Today’s episode is a public service announcement to join us in Austin to recharge our collective motivation and determination. We often talk about the system lens of building science, but we tend to forget that we ourselves are part of a larger system. This conference is an energy boost that charges us up with understanding, perspective and enthusiasm that only get generated  when we’re in the same room. This year, The Humid Climate Conferences dives into the intersection of Risks, Realities, and Rewards and how they guide and motivate appropriate design and construction in humid climates. Whether you're here for the Phius passive house technical deep dives, to reconnect with friends and colleagues at the famous after party happy hours, or just to soak up some Austin energy, this is one event you simply cannot miss. Check the link in the show notes to learn more and secure your spot. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Dr. Sarah Haines The Indoor Microbiome is the complex, invisible world of trillions of microorganisms living within indoor environments. Its residents include bacteria, archaea, fungi and viruses. We live immersed in this ecological niche, for good or ill. A typical home can host between 500 and 1000 different species of bacteria in household dust alone, and thousands of species of mold, yeast and viruses are in the air and on the surfaces around us. Together they serve as the primary ecological interface through which buildings influence human biology. In this light, we are beginning to view indoor environments not merely as passive shelters, but as active, highly complex indoor ecosystems that actively influence our immune and endocrine function, and long-term wellbeing. Today, we are joined by Dr. Sarah Haines, Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto and Principal Investigator of the IMEE Lab, to explore the foundational framework behind this shift. We will discuss the emerging perspective of "biologically informed architectural design" and the fact that architects and interior designers don’t just curate materials, they curate our basic microbial exposures and therefore our health and wellbeing. Sarah Haines Dr. Sarah R. Haines is an interdisciplinary researcher and educator working at the intersection of building science, environmental engineering, and microbiology to investigate how indoor environments shape human health. Assistant Professor in the Department of Civil and Mineral Engineering at the University of Toronto, the Principal Investigator of the Indoor Microbiology and Environmental Exposures (IMEE) Lab and member of the Hub for Advancing Buildings. She holds a BS in Environmental Engineering and an MS and PhD in Environmental Science from The Ohio State University. Her research focuses on maintaining healthy and sustainable indoor environments through detection and characterization of abiotic and biotic indoor exposures using a variety of techniques​. She integrates community-based participatory research, advanced molecular techniques (e.g., high-throughput sequencing, digital PCR, metatranscriptomics) and filter forensics to examine microbial dynamics and contaminant exposures indoors. Her work includes studies of moisture-driven mold growth in building materials, microbial volatile organic compound emissions, and the use of filter dust to estimate airborne concentrations of contaminants and pathogens, including SARS-CoV-2. Through this research, she develops practical, evidence-based strategies to reduce harmful indoor exposures, particularly in the context of climate change and housing inequities. Prof. Haines is a member of the American Association for Aerosol Research (AAAR) and the International Society of Indoor Air Quality and Climate (ISIAQ), as well as the Institute of Health Emergencies and Pandemics (IHEP) contributing to interdisciplinary efforts that connect indoor air quality, building performance and health. She was the 2024 recipient of the University of Toronto Faculty of Applied Science & Engineering Early Career Teaching Award, recognized for excellence in teaching and mentorship. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Benjamin Jewell. This is Part 2 of our latest series to familiarize our industry with the world of hydronics systems and air-to-water heat pumps. In Part 2 we’re rejoining the conversation to look at controls - the "central nervous systems" of these hydronics. We’re moving beyond old-school mechanical switches to a new class of microprocessor based systems that prioritize "outcomes"—like thermal comfort and air quality—rather than just reacting to thermostat calls. This shift is about adding intelligence that anticipates comfort needs and makes the system more stable and predictable for both the installer and the homeowner . We also dive into the high-stakes world of the global refrigerant transition and how hydronic systems allow a home to become "refrigerant agnostic" and truly future-proofed . We unpack the potential of natural refrigerants like R-290 (propane) and discuss why builders and developers are the key stakeholders in the transition of this product class from high-end homes to the baseline approach for every home that’s built. We wrap up by looking at how simplified "kit" solutions are finally removing the traditional barriers of labor and complexity to make hydronics accessible for the mainstream market. Benjamin Jewell Director of Carrier Hydronics NA (Climate Solutions Americas) As the Director of Carrier Hydronics North America within the Climate Solutions Americas division, Ben Jewell leads a multifaceted organization comprising Product, Engineering, and Technical Services teams. His leadership spans the entire product lifecycle, from initial development and long-term strategic planning to the integration of digital tools and portfolio management. Ben is dedicated to stewarding residential and light commercial hydronic products across a diverse range of differentiated brands, driving his team to win every day through innovation and operational excellence. Before joining Carrier, Ben spent over four years as a Senior Product Line Manager for Viessmann Climate Solutions. During this time, he managed extensive portfolios in the residential and light commercial sectors, specializing in heat pumps, chillers, domestic water heating, ventilation, indoor air quality, and air distribution. This deep technical foundation informs his current approach to solving complex climate challenges and delivering high-performance solutions to the market. Beyond his executive responsibilities, Ben is a passionate advocate for mentorship and industry education. He frequently invests his time in sharing resources and supporting those looking to solve tough problems that make the world a better place, including contributing to industry knowledge through podcasting. Driven by the goal of being a proactive force in the world, Ben aims to look back on his career with the confidence that he "happened to the world" by making a tangible, positive impact on the industry and the environment. On a personal level, Ben is a devoted husband and a father to three daughters, a dog owner, and a "food rescue" enthusiast. While he describes himself as an average fly fisherman and perhaps a naturalist in another life, he spends the bulk of his days enjoying what he considers his dream career. His journey has taken him from Iowa City to Milford, Connecticut, and Stony Brook, New York, eventually leading him to his forever home base in Fort Collins, Colorado. Despite his many moves, he remains a loyal Iowa Hawkeye at heart—Go Hawks! Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Helena van Vliet. “First we shape our buildings, thereafter they shape us.”  - Winston Churchill (attributed) The natural world is humanity's original habitat. This habitat supports our physiological energy efficiency and is an important health intervention for the AEC industry. These are core perspectives that Helena van Vliet shares in this joint PHA-Building Science Podcast interview. Helena makes the clear case that we are “open systems” - we take in our environments, both physically and with our perceptions. Whether outdoors or indoors, our physical selves have their own experience of each environment we inhabit. This experience first informs our bodies, which have their own reactions of ease or dis-ease; and next, seemingly at the same time, this experience then informs our minds and our psychological reality comes to life. This interview is yet another beacon guiding us to deeply rethink how we deliver indoor spaces to ourselves. Enjoy the nourishing feast of ideas here! Helena van Vliet Helena van Vliet Dipl.-Ing. AIA is an internationally recognized expert in Biophilic Design. She is a registered Architect, Consultant, Researcher, Educator, and Speaker focusing on the direct connections between human and bio-habitat resilience in built environments. In her designs, consulting work and teaching, she integrates insights from her 40 years of practice, as well as data from her ongoing research in evolutionary biology, cognitive neuroscience, biopsychology, and chronobiology. Helenais the Principal at Helena van Vliet LLC, as well as a founding member of BioPhilly. Since 2013, she has served as a Steering Committee Member for the International Biophilic Cities Network. Since 2018, Helena has taught her interdisciplinary seminar “Environments for Well-Being” at Thomas Jefferson University, bringing together design and health science students to explore the building blocks - and underlying science - of spaces that support well-being. She is a frequent lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania, Drexel, Widener, the Bauhaus University Weimar, Germany, and the Politecnico di Milano, Italy. Ilka Cassidy Ilka Cassidy, Dipl.-Ing. Architecture, CPHC, is the co-founder of C2 Architecture and Holzraum System, with a deep passion for Passive House envelope design and building science. She focuses on the benefits of using natural building materials and specializes in offsite construction. With extensive experience in Passive House consulting and energy modeling, Ilka has a strong understanding of energy efficiency strategies. As a co-founder of C2 Architecture, she brought a sustainable design perspective to the firm from its inception. Through Holzraum System, she has worked to merge the precision and scalability of prefabrication with the use of healthy, low-carbon materials, all while optimizing energy efficiency with Passive House principles. Ilka is also committed to expanding knowledge in the industry, serving as co-host of the Passive House Accelerator Podcast and Construction Tech Live events. She is a frequent conference speaker and an active member of Green Building United in Philadelphia. She is a proud mom for her three girls and a visiting educator and McGill University.  Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Benjamin Jewell. In this episode we are once again diving into the world of hydronics systems and air-to-water heat pumps. These systems are poised to transform how we heat and cool homes and buildings in the US. In this Part 1 of a two part series, we’ll be tracing the historical "divergence" that pushed the US toward forced-air ducting while Europe stayed with the efficiency of water to move heat around inside buildings - remember that “moving heat” includes cooling. We discuss the basic components and function of hydronic systems in a guided component-level tour. We explain the potential to combine space heating and cooling with hot water production and the importance of simple components like buffer tanks that allow for load "decoupling"—the ability to store thermal energy and shift your home's energy loads to times when electricity is cheapest or the grid is less stressed. Benjamin Jewell Director of Carrier Hydronics NA (Climate Solutions Americas) As the Director of Carrier Hydronics North America within the Climate Solutions Americas division, Ben Jewell leads a multifaceted organization comprising Product, Engineering, and Technical Services teams. His leadership spans the entire product lifecycle, from initial development and long-term strategic planning to the integration of digital tools and portfolio management. Ben is dedicated to stewarding residential and light commercial hydronic products across a diverse range of differentiated brands, driving his team to win every day through innovation and operational excellence. Before joining Carrier, Ben spent over four years as a Senior Product Line Manager for Viessmann Climate Solutions. During this time, he managed extensive portfolios in the residential and light commercial sectors, specializing in heat pumps, chillers, domestic water heating, ventilation, indoor air quality, and air distribution. This deep technical foundation informs his current approach to solving complex climate challenges and delivering high-performance solutions to the market. Beyond his executive responsibilities, Ben is a passionate advocate for mentorship and industry education. He frequently invests his time in sharing resources and supporting those looking to solve tough problems that make the world a better place, including contributing to industry knowledge through podcasting. Driven by the goal of being a proactive force in the world, Ben aims to look back on his career with the confidence that he "happened to the world" by making a tangible, positive impact on the industry and the environment. On a personal level, Ben is a devoted husband and a father to three daughters, a dog owner, and a "food rescue" enthusiast. While he describes himself as an average fly fisherman and perhaps a naturalist in another life, he spends the bulk of his days enjoying what he considers his dream career. His journey has taken him from Iowa City to Milford, Connecticut, and Stony Brook, New York, eventually leading him to his forever home base in Fort Collins, Colorado. Despite his many moves, he remains a loyal Iowa Hawkeye at heart—Go Hawks! Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with Andrew Dryden. Windows are pivotal to the lived experience of a home. They impact the basic aesthetic and provide natural light, views, ventilation, and safety. However, they are also nearly always the largest single source of heat loss and gain - it's hard to overstate the importance of getting windows right, as they play a huge role in a building's energy use. Today, we're going to take a deep dive into high-performance architectural windows, exploring the technology that lets us control unwanted heat flow through conduction, convection, and radiation. We'll be looking at the technical specs U-factor, Solar Heat Gain Coefficient (SHGC), air leakage and visual transmittance, as well as the fundamental differences between US and European manufacturing philosophies. Article from Passive House Accelerator: How Windows Make (Or Break) Wall Performance Andrew Dryden Andrew Dryden is the Owner of Pivot Windows LLC. He is dedicated to promoting sustainable construction practices that enhance energy efficiency and overall building performance. His journey began during a transformative sabbatical year in the Pacific Northwest, where he constructed his own high-performance home. This hands-on experience ignited his passion for innovative building solutions and laid the foundation for Pivot Windows LLC. At Pivot Windows, Andrew is at the helm of several key projects aimed at increasing the accessibility of high-performance windows for residential and commercial clients. His strategic approach to program management ensures that each project is executed with precision, from initial concept to final installation. By fostering strategic partnerships within the industry, Andrew is able to source cutting-edge products that meet the evolving needs of the market while maintaining affordability for his clients. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

An interview with John Mead. This is a crossover episode with the Spring Street Passive House education and advocacy series. Welcome to a pivotal conversation on the future of our built world. The concrete industry, indispensable for modern infrastructure, is facing an urgent mandate: reconcile its foundational role (pun) with its role as a source of environmental pollution. The scale of the emissions are staggering - if global concrete manufacturing were a country it would be the 3rd largest emitter, behind only China and the US (!). The good news is that with this a motivation the global concrete industry is now rethinking its entire lifecycle.  In this episode, host Kristof sits down with John Mead, one of the founders of Solid Carbon to talk about efforts to  transform concrete from a carbon emitter into a "net carbon sink. By converting waste carbon materials, wood being one, into a mass of solid carbon through pyrolysis and then using this carbon sink in a durable material through concrete we are making a huge impact in an industry that needs to make some powerful shifts in the years ahead. John Mead John Mead is an entrepreneur with 20 years leading companies focused on sustainable construction. He has a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering from Oregon State University, and an MBA from George Fox University. He is CEO of Solid Carbon Inc., an Oregon company specializing in the commercialization of biochar-based ingredients for the ready mixed concrete industry. Solid Carbon's mission is to transform the concrete industry into a climate solution with climate smart concrete solutions to sequester carbon in the built environment. When not working on climate-friendly construction businesses he can be found coaching high school rugby, camping in the Cascades, gardening and admiring historic and modern architecture. Solid Carbon LinkedIn Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

This may be the ultimate systems thinking interview. Beyond building science at the site scale, this is systems thinking to save the world.  Gail Vittori and Pliny Fisk III have their fingerprints all over the structural ideologies for ways of thinking that underlie what we now think of as the fields of sustainability, greenbuilding, indoor health and well-being and more.  Enjoy this thoughtful unpacking of ideas that span from systems thinking at the scale of the planet to human society to industry, products and materials. If you’re not familiar with Pliny Fisk III and Gaily Vittori, Max’s Pot, the Center for Maximum Potential Building Systems, or the Global Dreamlab, it’s about damn time that you are. Buckle up and enjoy this wild and fascinating ride with two of the brightest early lights in environmental sustainability  in the AEC and beyond. Pliny Fisk III Pliny Fisk III is a pivotal figure in the sustainability movement, whose career in architecture, landscape architecture, and the systems sciences spans more than four decades. He has dedicated his career to developing replicable prototypes, protocols, and policy initiatives that challenge conventional wisdom in building design, engineering, materials, and planning. His seminal life cycle-based protocols helped shape the first green building programs, and he collaborated on federal efforts like the Greening of the White House and the Greening of the Grand Canyon. He is also an inventor and the CEO and founder of two technology companies, Sustainable Earth Technologies and the EcoInventorium. Pliny’s influence extends into academia and policy, having held faculty positions at several major universities and served as an advisor to foundations like MacArthur and Gates. His policy initiatives include the Austin Green Building Program and the AIA’s Environmental Resource Guide, establishing new protocols with broad implementation. His impact has earned him numerous honors, including The Lewis Mumford Award and the U.S. Green Building Council’s Sacred Tree Award. Pliny has been recognized by Metropolis Magazine as a Visionary and by Texas Monthly as one of “35 People Who Will Shape Our Future.” Gail Vittori Gail Vittori  leads a life of discovery, of adventure, of collaborating with incredible people and finding opportunities to make a little bit of a movement of the needle on things that she is passionate about. Gail has been a key force in advancing green building policies, protocols, and prototypes at the local, state, and national levels, with a particular emphasis on the critical link between sustainable design and human health1. In 1989 she developed the initial conceptual framework for what would become the City of Austin’s Green Builder Program, recognized as the first green building program globally. Building on this foundational work, she went on to convene the Green Guide for Health Care in 2001, an initiative that catalyzed a revolution in the design, construction, and operations of healthcare facilities. Her expertise led her to serve as the Founding Chair of the LEED for Healthcare committee from 2004 to 2008, and she also co-authored Sustainable Healthcare Architecture. Gail has held several influential leadership positions in the sustainable building community. She served on the USGBC Board of Directors from 2002 to 2010, including a term as Board Chair in 20095. She also dedicated eight years to the Green Business Certification Inc. (GBCI) Board of Directors from 2011 to 2019, where she served as Board Chair from 2013 to 2019. Currently, she is the Vice-Chair of the Health Product Declaration Collaborative Board of Directors. Her vision and impact have earned her significant recognition, including the 2015 Hanley Award for Vision and Leadership and the 2020 USGBC’s Kate Hurst Leadership Award. Additionally, she was featured as an Innovator: Building a Greener World in TIME Magazine and was a Loeb Fellow at Harvard University’s Graduate School of Design. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

This is a crossover episode with the Spring Street Passive House education and advocacy series. How do Passive House enclosure decisions actually happen? There’s a stubborn storyline that passive house designs go “too far” and result in a wholly different, and painful, design and construction process. The reality is that designing and building a Passive House is not all the different from building any project. In both cases you are working with a blend of the rigor of building science, the skill and craftsmanship of the construction team, the realities of project specifics like site, climate, budget, and schedule, and the personalities of the people involved. All of this then gets organized and systematized within the context of the Passive House standard of care which simply asks that we do all we can to ensure that a good design translates into long-lasting positive outcomes. Our guest today is Cameron Caja, CPHC. Hearing all he’s doing in the industry/world and the level of expertise he brings is an good reminder of the many intelligent caring people working tirelessly and with great resolve in the AEC today. Hearing his intelligence, wisdom and warmth is encouragement not lose sight of the goal of better buildings, and to not lose heart - we can do this. Links from the Episode: Spring Street Passive House Earth Advantage PHIUS PHI Cameron Caja Cameron Caja is the Business Development Manager at Positive Energy, a role that utilizes the skills he gained through diverse cultural landscapes and his passion for sustainable building practices. His story began as a builder's apprentice in high school, laying the foundation for a career marked by a deep appreciation for construction and design. Cameron studied at National Central University in Jhongli, Taiwan, and Soonchoonhyang University in South Korea, to understand how culture, language, and policy can guide development of the built environment. His studies continued in Japan, Thailand, and Russia, delving into the intersections of politics, housing, and food systems. Cameron earned his Masters degree in Education from the University of Arkansas, where he later managed specialized international education programs for the Graduate School. Sustainability, human and environmental health have always been at the heart of Cameron's endeavors. As a licensed residential builder and the owner of Polaris High Performance Homes, he committed that 100% of his projects would at least meet Energy Star, EPA Indoor airPlus, and WaterSense certifications. As one of the first Certified Passive House Consultants in the state of Arkansas, he actively contributes to advancing building standards in Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Missouri as the Central Region Representative of the Phius Alliance Council. Cameron's commitment to community service is evident in his roles with the Habitat for Humanity of Washington County Construction Committee, Tri Cycle Farms Food Recovery Program, and the Omni Center for Peace, Justice, and Ecology. These organizations allow him to extend his impact beyond the realm of building science, addressing crucial social issues like homelessness and food insecurity. Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker

Why do we design indoor spaces the way we do? What are the unseen socio-cultural impacts involved and how do they impact other aspects of the indoor environment that we can not see? Today, we're unpacking the idea that our indoor environments are not just passive shelters - they are complex, multifaceted situations with competing goals and perspectives. As our guest, Dr. Liz McCormick shares, our relationship with indoor space is a rich, interdependent web of circumstances that stretches well beyond the boundaries of any single discipline.  We'll be bringing together insights from architecture, anthropology, and ecology to explore the substantial footprint of our built environments—physically, on a scale equivalent to global grasslands and tropical forests; psychologically, as we experience thermal blandness and a disconnect from nature; and ecologically, as we grapple with a misplaced sense of separation from the "dirt" and the world outside our carefully conditioned spaces. This conversation will challenge us to rethink outdated ideas and address why the air we live in—this "material" we are in constant contact with—matters so much for our health. We'll be looking at a comprehensive model for indoor air quality, considering the crucial interactions between pollutants, their pathways, and our exposure. Buckle up for another thoughtful adventure on the Building Science Podcast! Links from the Episode: Buildings don’t use energy: people do Entomological Happenings The Architecture of Vector Control Liz McCormick McCormick is a licensed architect, educator, and researcher whose work explores healthy, climatically sensitive, and contextually appropriate building design strategies that connect occupants to the outdoors while also reducing the dependence on mechanical conditioning technologies. Her recent book, Inside OUT: Human Health & the Air-Conditioning Era (Routledge), tells the rich story of both the social and technological drivers of the conditioned indoors while making an argument for thoughtful interventions in the built environment. It brings together a multi-disciplinary group of experts of the indoors, including scientists, anthropologists, engineers, and architects, to discuss the future of human habitation with a dominant focus on human health in a post-pandemic world. Liz is also the lead-PI for the NSF-supported research study abroad program to Tanzania (through 2026). Liz is a WELL and LEED Accredited Professional and a Certified Passive House Consultant. With over 10 years of experience as a practicing architect, she has worked on a variety of project scales from single-family passive houses to LEED-certified commercial office buildings and campuses. She received a PhD in Design from North Carolina State University, Master of Science in Building Technology from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology as well as bachelor’s degrees in architecture and fine arts from the Rhode Island School of Design.  Liz was the recipient of the 2021 AIAS/ACSA New Faculty Teaching Award, which “honors architectural educators for exemplary work in areas such as building design, community collaborations, scholarship, and service,” the announcement reads. Liz is also an active member of numerous professional and academic organizations, including the American Institute of Architects (AIA), AIA Charlotte Committee on the Environment (COTE), National Passive House Alliance (PHAUS), the Society of Building Science Educators (SBSE). Additionally, she is an invited board member of the Softwood Lumber Board (SLB) and the president-elect for the Building Technology Educators Society (BTES) Team Hosted by Kristof Irwin Edited by Nico Mignardi Produced by M. Walker