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Guest: Trent Lowenstein — Coach, Next Level Pros | Host, Trent and Friends Podcast Guest Links: Website: https://gonextlevelpros.com You might be one or two jobs away from doubling your net profit. The leak is between booked and sat. Trent Lowenstein from Next Level Pros joins Tim to diagnose Owl Roofing live, using what he calls “God mode”: looking at your business like the architect of the game instead of player one (0:47). He walks through why a 10% bump in sit rate can turn a 7% net company into a 20% net company once your fixed overhead is covered (3:21), why your operations manager should never be your CSR (11:10), and how to budget around a dead winter instead of dividing your goal by 12 (11:58). Then it gets uncomfortable: a live financing role play with the Owl team that proves exactly the problem being discussed (25:27). You’ll learn: The flywheel metrics: booking rate, stickiness, close rate, average ticket, install efficiency, referralsWhy non-demand calls no-show more, and how to make a booking stickWhy discounting hurts more than your gross profitWhy the red line commission model pushes reps to drop their priceWhy bringing up financing at the end sounds like asking the customer if they’re poorThe “subject to” wording swap that makes deferred payments sound normalWhy 80% of people who get approved for financing move forwardRehashing lost leads in winter with a no-payment promotion

Guest: Jeff Cronin — Founder, Primetime Consulting | Close Like Cronin Guest Links: Skool: Close Like Cronin | Instagram & Facebook: Jeff Cronin Homeowners aren't picking your competitor because they like them more. They're picking whoever offered financing. Jeff Cronin trains plumbing, HVAC, and home service sales teams across the country, and spent years at the top of the board in the field before that. He breaks down the deadly mistakes contractors make with financing, starting with the most common one: not offering it at all (9:54). Tim shares how Owl Roofing lost deals in its first summer to competitors who simply offered payments (10:30). Jeff also explains how to diagnose where revenue leaks between leads and collected money (33:59), and why chasing unicorn salespeople usually backfires (41:37). You'll learn: Why "afford" is the word that kills the deal, and what to say insteadWhy every five digit price should have a three digit payment right next to itWhy waiting for "I can't afford it" before offering financing is a sales sinThe 6% dealer fee rule and why long no-interest deals can eat your marginHow to frame a 15-year loan so it sounds like flexibility, not a prison sentenceWhy one option per page beats dumping all three at onceHow to tell if you have a close rate problem or an average ticket problem"Pass the mic": the two words to say when you don't know what to say

Guest: Nayt Pingry — Sales, Owl Roofing Guest Links: Website: https://owlroofing.com $1 million in roofing sales in three months, 80% retail, in a market where everyone is still chasing insurance. Nayt Pingry started as a graphic designer on the back end of roofing companies, worked his way up to sales director, then gave up management to sell full time at Owl Roofing. He started July 1st and crossed $1 million in about three months. He breaks down how he flips a denied or high-deductible insurance claim into a retail sale (7:43), why cedar shake homes are the easiest retail opportunity right now (3:01), and why homeowners are buying more practically than emotionally (18:01). Plus an honest look at the growing pains inside a company doing 20 roofs a week in year one (9:56). You'll learn: The three questions he has homeowners ask their insurance company before filing a claimLive role play: how to pivot a denied claim into a retail conversationHow to handle "I could pay the deductible, I just don't want to"Why cedar shakes and insurance non-renewal letters are the current arbitrageWhy he asks every homeowner "have you done any research?" (including ChatGPT)His split: 33% self-generated, 67% company leadsWhy a strong brand makes cold door knocks feel warmWhy family owned and operated is a real differentiator, not just a headline

Guest: Noah Berglin — Co-Founder, Owl Roofing Guest Links: Website: https://owlroofing.com A year ago he said don't join the roofing industry. Now he runs a roofing company. Real numbers, no spin. Noah Berglin came on this podcast a year ago and vented about how rough it was to be a roofing sales rep in the Twin Cities. That episode kicked off him leaving his company and co-founding Owl Roofing. This is the honest one-year check-in: $4 million sold, $5 million collected, aiming for $7 to $10 million, with roughly 50/50 retail and insurance work. He explains why the insurance model is quietly converting to retail whether contractors like it or not (3:42), why door knocking underperformed expectations (17:18), and why he thinks financing is the actual future of roofing (27:46). You'll learn: Why actual cash value and roof payment schedules are turning insurance jobs into retail salesThe real split: what's working and what isn't at the one year markWhy sold and collected are different numbers, and why deposits are the scariest trap in roofingHow much cash a roofing company should carry into winterThe $30K storm response budget sitting ready for digital billboards and postcardsWhy 100 doors a week got harder when leads went upThe dad joke yard sign strategy and how to A/B test 500 signs at a timeWhy you're not competing with other roofers, you're competing for attention

Guest: Brianna Skiffington — Founder, Free Agency | Co-Founder, Space Heroes HVAC Guest Links: https://callspaceheroes.com | https://freeagency.ai | https://cxc.ai A fractional CMO who spent 10 years marketing the trades just started her own HVAC company. Goal: $10M next year. Brianna Skiffington runs Free Agency, publishes Moneyball Marketing, and just launched Space Heroes HVAC in Huntsville, Alabama, remotely. She built the website with Claude in three days, is budgeting 25 to 30% on marketing through 2030, and is finally testing everything she's been telling clients to do for a decade (44:59). The conversation also gets into lead aggregators most roofers dismiss (14:38), the satellite GBP playbook after running 50 of them (40:00), and why marketers should stop pitching against each other. You'll learn: The lead aggregators everyone says suck that actually work (Thumbtack, HomeAdvisor, Yelp, Modernize)The car insurance story behind her "call three times in one minute" ruleWhy speed to lead beats everything and how to wire it into your CRMHow to open a satellite GBP the right way (citations first, internet bill, Chrome hack)Why you check the top 3 reviewed companies before betting on LSAs in a new marketThe voice memo to blog pipeline she runs with field techs from 800 miles awayTim's backlink reverse-engineering play: write for what AI wants to cite, not your ideal customer (35:00)

Guest: Sam Tacheny — Owner, Tacheny Exteriors Guest Links: Website: https://tachenyexteriors.com Two Twin Cities roofing competitors sit down and share everything. Culture, sales systems, PE horror stories. Sam Tacheny runs Tacheny Exteriors in the Twin Cities and reached out to talk shop instead of treating the competition like the enemy. The conversation gets into why private equity is flooding the roofing market and what happens when it goes wrong (14:36), the Roscoe bankruptcy that left homeowners with unfinished work, why family owned businesses should act like enterprise companies anyway, and Sam's three recommendations for building a sales team without wrecking it (21:22). You'll learn: Why most price objections are actually a lack of discoveryHow to find your real core values instead of aspirational ones on a wallWhy you need one documented selling system, not "here's some videos, good luck"Why the insurance game is getting harder and retail should be your focusWhat to watch for in PE acceleration clauses before you signThe hook, open loop, and pattern interrupt formula for contractor video (32:56)

Guest: Tom and Karen Belko — Owners, Vector Services Guest Links: Website: https://callvector.com How this HVAC and plumbing company went from $3M to over $10M in two years. Three moves did it. Tom and Karen run Vector Services in the Twin Cities doing HVAC, plumbing, electrical, and drains. In 2023 they were nine employees running white vans out of their houses. Now they're pushing $12.5 million and hiring a sales director. They break down the three moves that got them there: going deep on Service Titan instead of treating a CRM like a bolt-on (2:38), the Kick Charge rebrand with Dan Antonelli that put their wraps all over the metro (18:44), and hiring people smarter than them and actually getting out of the way (19:54). You'll learn: How to get technicians to actually adopt new softwareThe follow-up dashboard and daily report that holds salespeople accountableWhy your CRM setup IS your business process, not an add-onThe difference between a high performing salesperson and a real sales leader (25:06)Why family owned beats PE-backed when you're recruitingThe yard sign and wrapped bus strategy for cities that ban billboards

Guest: Lance Bachmann — Founder & Owner, LB Capital | MN Exteriors Guest Links: Website: https://lbachmanncapital.com Lance Bachmann grew up in foster care and group homes, went bankrupt in his 30s, and now runs LB Capital, a home service platform on track for $150 to $175 million in revenue with 14 roofing companies under MN Exteriors, all funded with his own money and zero private equity. In this episode, he explains why roofing in 2026 is where HVAC was 30 years ago, breaks down the LB Capital 50% partnership model and why retaining local brand equity is non-negotiable, and gets blunt about the three metrics that actually matter. It's a raw conversation about energy, marriage, haters, gratitude, and why most people overcomplicate a business that comes down to sold revenue, gross profit, and net income. You'll learn: Why roofing in 2026 is where HVAC was 30 years ago (and why PE can't find good companies)The LB Capital model: 50% equity, operational control, and full playbook accessWhy retaining local brand equity beats consolidating under one nameHow adding roofing to an HVAC and plumbing business added $15M in revenueThe three metrics that actually matter: sold revenue, gross profit, net incomeWhy 50% gross profit almost guarantees 15 to 20% net if operations are rightThe daily automated text report he gets at 6am (leads, booking rate, close rate, average ticket, rehash)Why he fired his own mother from bookkeeping over a mindset mismatchWhy he never discusses business with his wife (and why he thinks no one should)How bankruptcy happened: no financial literacy, not a bad economyWhy he owns real estate outright so he can never go bankrupt againSauna, ice bath, prayer, and cutting alcohol: the energy management routineThe Man in the Arena principle and why haters don't get attentionWhy he'll sell the platform but only to someone who keeps him leading it"We have obstacles, not problems" and the gratitude mindset behind it

Guests: Steve Akian — Owner, Akian Plumbing, Heating, Cooling & Electric | Co-Founder, Fix to Finish Eric Karofsky — Founder, VectorHX | Co-Founder, Fix to Finish Guest Links: Website: https://fixtofinish.ai Steve Akian is a plumber by trade who grew Akian Plumbing to $14 million over ten years. Eric Karofsky spent 25 years leading digital programs for Michelin, Royal Caribbean, Fidelity, and the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard. Together they're building Fix to Finish, an AI platform that lets a homeowner diagnose their own plumbing problem, see real pricing, and book the job in five minutes, trained on 50,000 real work orders from Steve's company. In this episode, they break down what AI can actually do in a home service business right now, why customer expectations in the trades haven't changed in 40 years, and how one Saturday water heater call got cut in half because the tech showed up already knowing exactly what to do. You'll learn: Can AI actually diagnose an HVAC or plumbing problem (and why they started with plumbing)How 50,000 work orders became the training data for a real diagnostic toolThe Saturday water heater story that cut job time by 50%Why techs who hate selling are the ones most excited about thisThe win-win-win philosophy: company, customer, and platform all benefitWhy home service customer experience hasn't changed in 30 to 40 yearsHow the inventory tool matches receipts to photos for real job costingWhy technicians buy five valves when they only need threeThe app adoption problem and why leadership and culture make it non-negotiableWhy enterprise AI still isn't taking off (it's a stickiness problem, not a budget problem)Design by HIPPO: why the highest paid person's opinion ruins productsHow to segment and test with real customers instead of random panelsWhy one angry customer is not a reason to change your process (but a cluster is)The Blockbuster and taxi industry warning for contractors who wait too long

Guest: Jon Brown — Executive Pastor, Journey Church (Kenosha, WI) Guest Links: Instagram: @PJon | YouTube: JRNY Church Jon Brown has spent 25 years at the same church, working his way up from youth pastor to executive pastor overseeing 36 staff pastors, 75% of whom he developed from a young age. In this episode, recorded in Italy, he breaks down the universal leadership principles that apply whether you're running a church, a roofing company, or a marketing agency: how to actually grow yourself before you grow others, why your competition should become your allies, how to handle the pressure of perfection when everyone expects you to have it together, and the Sabbath discipline that keeps high performers from burning out on the long haul. You'll learn: Why leading yourself is the hardest leadership job you'll ever haveHow to build a personal growth plan that targets your actual blind spotsWindshield time: turning drive time into learning time with audiobooks"If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go farther, go together"How jealousy of competitors reveals your own insecurities (the Joseph Kellogg story)Why you should reach out and encourage the person you're most jealous ofTreat people like they love you, and eventually they'll start to believe itHow to handle critics who question your motives and characterWhy leaders don't get to have a bad day (chug the Red Bull in your truck)Complain up, never down: why you need someone above you to vent toIf you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on people who don't deserve itJohn Maxwell's 5 levels of leadership: position, permission, production, people development, pinnacleWhy 25 years in one place creates compounding mastery and generational impactThe Sabbath principle: one day a week fully unplugged (and the auto-text that protects it)Why hobbies and play make the other six days more effective

Guest: Tony Vincent — Owner, Ultimate Roofing | Ultimate Properties | Ultimate Tree Service | Ultimate Equipment Rentals Guest Links: Website: https://getultimateroofing.com | Facebook: Ultimate Roofing WV Tony Vincent runs four businesses out of West Virginia and has built Ultimate Roofing into a $20 million operation with 100+ employees across 5 states, while quietly stacking $9 million in heavy equipment and 70 rental properties on the side. In this episode, he ranks the most lucrative home service industries for 2026, breaks down why he stopped chasing top-line revenue at 16% net, and pulls back the curtain on the systems that let him manage 100 people without losing his mind. The conversation also dives into the financing playbook that gets him to 90% financed jobs, why blown-in insulation and gutter guards are the secret weapons for landing premium roofs, and how a single $1 door hanger incentive turns laborers into canvassers. You'll learn: Tony's ranked list of the most lucrative home service businesses for 2026Why tree service has 75-80% GP and is one of the best businesses to add to roofingThe "less saturated = more lucrative" rule for picking your next tradeWhy he killed the fencing offshoot after 100 jobsThe 5-or-6-manager hierarchy that lets him run 100 employees from a distanceWhy titles motivate people more than monetary compensationThe low-base, high-KPI compensation structure used on every single employeeHow a $1 per door hanger incentive generates real referral jobsWhy he stopped chasing $50M revenue and dialed in at $20M with 16% netThe "control the supply chain" rule that drove his decision to drop fencing, gutters, soffit, fascia, doorsWhy his ad spend is $80K on Google for roofing vs $1K for equipment rentalsHow to use Service Finance for 90% financed jobs (and why Foundation is the wrong primary)The "what's your budget look like?" frame that closes more roofs like car salesWhy blown-in insulation and gutter guards at zero margin land $25K roofsThe 55% close rate that comes from giving away promotional itemsWhy most contractors should be financing every job over $10,000How his real estate portfolio (70 properties) became his retirement plan after stocks

Guest: Kris Werner — President, Werner Roofing | IHS Group (Infinity Home Services) Guest Links: Website: https://www.wernerroofing.com | Phone: (616) 638-4662 Kris Werner runs Werner Roofing in Grand Haven, Michigan, a "five mile famous" brand he built slowly from a one-man job into a multi-trade home service operation now partnered with Infinity Home Services. In this episode, he gets practical about what actually changes when you join a private equity backed family of brands, why best practice sharing with 25 other roofing companies is the unfair advantage most owners don't have, and the operational details that separate a $4M roofer from a $10M+ company. The conversation also goes into adding trades the right way, why Werner doesn't chase storms, how Castle and Diamond metal shingles compare, what's actually slowing down GAF solar shingle adoption, and why a "divine discontent" customer expectation curve is reshaping the entire industry. You'll learn: Why "five mile famous" beats trying to be a regional powerhouseHow to add metal roofing, gutters, siding, and windows without breaking your opsWhat private equity actually changes (and what stays the same)How 25 brand presidents share best practices daily across IHSWhy collecting accounts receivable matters more in winter than you thinkHow to pick a second location and the first two hires that matterThe "law of the lid" that keeps owners stuck at $3-5MWhy retail roofing beats waiting on storms (even in storm markets)How to treat roofing crews so they stay loyal to your brandJust-in-time material delivery vs full roof load: pros and consWhy the synthetic roofing market is only 2% (and what could change)The new GAF, Castle, Diamond, and Tesla metal products worth watchingThe Jeff Bezos "divine discontent" effect on customer expectationsWhy reading the same business books 3 times beats reading 30 new ones

Guest: Pedro Rodriguez — Production, Owl Roofing Guest Links: Instagram: @P1Rodriguez | Website: https://owlroofing.com Inside the real tension between sales, marketing, and production at a brand-new roofing company. Pedro Rodriguez runs production at Owl Roofing, the new Minneapolis venture that hit nearly half a million in sold revenue in its first real month. In this episode, the conversation gets raw about the friction that comes with going aggressive on marketing out of the gate: lead overflow, the sales-to-production handoff, scrambling to fulfill what marketing promises, and why most roofing companies stay stuck at $2-3M for years. You'll learn: Why aggressive marketing creates production tension and how to manage itThe sales-to-production handoff problem (and the document that fixes it)Why 200 pictures per inspection isn't excessive, it's the bare minimumHow to spend 10% on marketing without breaking your companyThe choice between hiring veterans vs training from scratchWhy they're recruiting $1M reps to turn into $2M reps (not chasing $3-5M superstars)How to build master networkers, not just master door knockersWhy manufacturers (GAF, Iko, Owens Corning) will determine the future of roofingThe bottleneck every new business owner hits and how to delegate around itReal numbers: $487K in month one, 25 leads a week from marketing aloneHow to keep retail roofing healthy without depending on stormsWhy the right culture reinvigorates burned-out reps from bad ownership

Guest: Tim Brown — Founder, Hook Agency | Co-Founder, Owl Roofing Guest Links: Website: https://owlroofing.com | https://hookagency.com The marketer who built Hook Agency advising roofing companies for over a decade just started one of his own. In this episode, Tim Brown takes the guest seat to break down Owl Roofing, his new home service venture in Minneapolis that hit $480K sold in its first real month of business. He covers what actually transfers from running a 10-year-old marketing agency to launching a roofing company from scratch, what's working faster than expected, and the mistakes he's actively trying to avoid based on a decade of watching other roofers make them. You'll learn: Why he started a roofing company on top of running Hook Agency and raising two kidsWhat it actually feels like to step away from the company that made your nameHow $161,000 of starting capital changed the entire game vs. starting from $20KWhy Google Organic and Google Paid are crushing every other lead source out of the gateThe "lead babies" problem: why giving reps too many leads kills their hungerCash flow trap most new roofing companies fall into (the bank account isn't your money)Why a short, iconic, emoji-friendly brand name compounds every marketing dollarThe full court press strategy: take every conceivable advantage from day one350 yard signs in one market and the police calls that came with itWhy brand effort lowers cost per lead on Google Ads (the Monarch Roofing case)Pre-revenue marketing: what to do when you have no budget percentage to work withThe two sharpest tools in his roofing toolbox right now (sales enablement + weekly role play)

Guest: Raymond Little — Founder, SVG Roofing Coaching | Contra Shoes Guest Links: Facebook: Raymond Wendell Little | Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rwl612/ Raymond Little built a roofing company from zero to nearly $100 million, exited to private equity for $40 million, and now runs SVG helping owner-operators between $1M and $10M break through their plateaus. In this episode, Raymond gets raw about what actually works in roofing sales in 2026, starting with storm vs retail in today's market, why wind claims are getting harder everywhere, and why the four-to-eight knocking window beats the nine-to-five mindset most new companies are still stuck in. He breaks down why you should never poach million-dollar producers from other companies but instead build them yourself, why a hefty override or ownership needs to be in the field driving the team daily, and his rule that you can't develop anyone greater than yourself. The conversation digs into Raymond's hiring philosophy built around second-chance people, team players, and good energy over credentials or personality tests, his 90-day ride-along system where new reps work the first 4-5 deals in the truck with him from knock to build, and the sales tactic of using the adjuster and homeowner as "teachers" to elevate new reps while making the process fully transparent. Raymond also shares why personal development around physical health, clean living, and healthy relationships is the foundation his entire company was built on, the real numbers on what 1099 reps should earn per lead, why one roof a week pays the bills and three a week means you stop checking price tags, and his mentor story of following Kurt the Nintendo and hitting half of what that man accomplished as his own definition of success. He also gets into Contra Shoes, the lightweight flexible roofing shoe a quarter the weight of Cougar Paws, designed for reps who knock and climb all day.