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The episode foregrounds the Curian Network's initiative to reconceive ordination by offering credentialing and communal accompaniment to ministers who have been marginalized or constrained by conventional denominational systems. Joshua Noel conducts the interview with Jill Elizabeth and Jonathan Foster, and he elicits from them an exposition of the network's rhizomatic, relational polity, its underlying commitment to "uncontrolling love," and its practical protocols such as psychological evaluation, background checks, and reference verification. Jill conveys how the network cultivates microcommunities and pastoral care across secular and liturgical settings, while Jonathan articulates the pragmatic mechanics of application, endorsement, and the provisional timelines that currently characterize the credentialing process. They recount poignant cases in which individuals, confronted with ecclesial exclusion—particularly around issues of race and LGBTQ inclusion—found restoration of vocational integrity and continued ministry through the network's endorsement. The conversation further explicates the Network's deliberate avoidance of hierarchical power dynamics in favor of shared responsibility, even as it recognizes the necessity of minimal safeguards and tiers of recognition. Ultimately, the guests and host propose that the Curian Network seeks to broaden the ecclesiological imagination, address structural disaffection, and furnish viable vocational pathways for those committed to faithful public ministry. Joshua Noel moderates a deliberate and rigorous conversation in which he engages Jill Elizabeth and Jonathan Foster about the reconstituted Curian Network and the practical theology of ordination. He read scripture to frame the discussion and then invited each guest to elucidate the motivations that produced the network's name change from OpenTable to Curian, derived from cura (care). Jonathan explains the change as pragmatic and intentional, while Jill emphasizes pastoral care and relational ministry. Together they outline a credentialing practice designed for ministers who retain vocational integrity after leaving exclusionary or coercive institutions. They describe a process that balances openness with accountability. The network privileges a rhizomatic, relational model of endorsement rather than an overarching hierarchical polity. Applicants undergo a background check, a psychometric assessment, reference conversations, and a credentialing interview that verifies assent to a code of ethics and an ecclesial paradigm anchored in "uncontrolling love." The speakers detail tiers for licensing, ordination, and chaplaincy endorsement and highlight the capacity of the network to provide legitimate 501(c)(3) structures, chaplain endorsements, and community formation for ministers otherwise marginalized by their prior bodies. Takeaways: They describe the Curian Network as a relational, nonhierarchical option for ministry credentialing.She says the network requires psych evaluations, background checks, and reference checks before ordination.He explains the credentialing process usually includes a short Zoom interview and takes about four to six weeks.They stress that the network centers uncontrolling love and welcomes ministers who cannot keep integrity within former denominations.She shares that the network helps ministers retain roles such as chaplaincy and find community without abandoning their beliefs.He notes the network seeks to be open and flexible while still upholding minimal safeguards and ethical standards.They report that ordination ceremonies are simple, joyful, and public affirmations without heavy pomp or hierarchy.She and he both observe that ecclesial structures will change and local churches must adapt to new ministerial realities. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Check out more from The Curian Network: https://thecurian.org/ . Listen to more of Jill on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/93b2d7c5-1f3a-4fdb-8d87-350f6ca167b9 . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen

They state that J.R.R. Tolkien translated the Book of Jonah for the 1966 Jerusalem Bible, though his Jonah text was not carried into the later New Jerusalem Bible. Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell interview Nick Polk of Tolkien Pop about Tolkien’s work on that translation project. They outline how the Jerusalem Bible began as a French scholarly effort and how the New Jerusalem Bible later retranslated from Hebrew sources. Nick explains Tolkien’s background as a philologist and his work with Old English and the Oxford English Dictionary, and how that led to his being asked to translate. They also discuss translation methods, editorial choices, and how different translations affect readings of Psalms, Job, and Jonah. The episode continues the Holy Logistics series and will be cross-posted to Systematic Geekology. Joshua Noel, Nick Polk, and TJ Blackwell engage in a focused conversation that moves between Bible translation history and practical church life. Joshua reads and frames passages from the Psalms. He notes his preference for the New Jerusalem Bible for poetic books. Nick explains that J.R.R. Tolkien translated the book of Jonah for the 1966 Jerusalem Bible. He outlines Tolkien's background as a philologist and his work on Old English and the Oxford English Dictionary. Joshua and Nick discuss why literary scholars can help readers see the shape of biblical texts. The hosts keep the tone direct. They connect scholarly work to everyday reading habits and to how pastors and laypeople use translations in worship. The dialogue also covers the role of translation philosophy. Nick contrasts word-for-word and thought-for-thought approaches. He says the New Jerusalem Bible seeks to preserve literary form. Joshua and TJ compare their favored English translations and explain why they choose them for clarity or reverence. The segment closes with concrete encouragement. Nick tells listeners to pursue curiosity. He urges people to ask questions and learn without fear. The recommendation is practical and aimed at building humility and unity across traditions. Takeaways: They explain that J.R.R. Tolkien translated the book of Jonah for the 1966 Jerusalem Bible edition.They clarify that Tolkien's contribution was later replaced in the New Jerusalem Bible revision.They attribute Tolkien's selection for the project to his philological expertise, Oxford career, and etymological work.They describe the Jerusalem Bible approach as literary and genre sensitive, preserving poetic features in Psalms and Job.They outline practical church logistics, identifying payroll, volunteer coordination, building maintenance, and worship layout as recurring challenges.They encourage prospective scholars to research existing literature thoroughly, submit work to peer review, and engage with the Tolkien community.They recommend cultivating curiosity by asking questions and researching unfamiliar perspectives to foster ecumenical listening and unity. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Check out more from Nick Polk on Tolkien Pop: https://tolkienpop.substack.com/ . Listen to more of TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen

They interview Jamey Jones of Rainsville Church Pew Company about the process of building and selling pews to local churches. Joshua Noel and T. J. Blackwell interrogate the artisanal and industrial methodologies by which he explicates design decisions, material selection, upholstery, and the finishing techniques that confer durability and aesthetic coherence upon sanctuary furnishings. He delineates how denominational predilections, budgetary parameters, and pragmatic concerns such as anchoring, acoustics, and modularity shape both bespoke commissions and extensive restoration projects. They examine the logistical continuum from site assessment and CAD layouts to production sequencing, delivery, and the twenty-five year structural warranty that evidences the company’s quality assurance. He recounts historical restorations and the intergenerational continuation of craft within the family enterprise, and they reflect on how seating arrangements materially influence liturgical orientation, communal cohesion, and the collective memory of congregations. Joshua Noel and T.J. Blackwell converse with Jamey Jones of Rainsville Church Pew Company about the craft of making church pews and related sanctuary furniture. He explains the family history and the continuity of a multi‑generation trade. He describes practical choices churches must make about materials, padding, stain, and cost, and he frames those choices in terms of denomination and budget. The hosts and the guest treat the work as both technical and pastoral. They discuss pricing by the foot, the availability of different end styles, and the company’s 25‑year structural warranty. The conversation moves from design to production. Jamey clarifies which processes remain hand‑crafted and which are aided by machinery. He details joinery, upholstery, finishing, and the firm’s approach to custom orders. He recounts site visits, committee showings, and how a CAD floor plan guides pew layout to preserve aisles and comfort. He also outlines restoration work, showing how refinishing and matching can economically preserve historical pews and maintain continuity for congregations. The hosts reflect on wider implications. They probe how seating and furniture shape worship, community, and memory. The guests note the logistics of installation and fastenings and the regional service radius. The exchange yields practical counsel for church leaders, including budget planning, the value of durable finishes, and the cultural weight of pews as artifacts that carry family and congregational stories. Takeaways: TJ explains that Paul teaches salvation is a gift of God through grace, not by works.They emphasize that the church's identity is God's workmanship and not the result of human pride or achievement.Jamey recounts the company history and details that pews are custom made with varied materials and a twenty five year structural warranty.Jamey Jones explains that pew pricing is calculated by the foot and that churches choose style, fabric, and finish through samples and visits.Jamey describes restoration as cost effective and heritage preserving, and notes that pews must be fastened down to receive warranty coverage.They discuss how seating layout shapes worship, noting pews foster communal closeness while chairs allow versatile configurations for different services.TJ encourages listeners to sit closer in worship seating as a practical action to foster unity and visible community. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Listen to more of TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen

Friendship and companionship give purpose to labor and sustain people in work and grief. We discuss why we have missed a few weeks of the podcast, and we catch back up with Will Rose on how his Sabbatical went! Pastor Will draws on Ecclesiastes to argue that two are better than one and that friendship enriches vocation and productivity. He describes his sabbatical, its rest and reflection, and the way discernment guides where he spends his energy. Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell probe practical church logistics, volunteer roles, and the unseen work that keeps worship and community life functioning. The hosts and guest emphasize healthy boundaries, the value of shared ministry, and simple practices—such as reflecting on the altar and who gathers there—to foster unity and resilience. Will Rose frames the central meditation on vocation and rest with a reading from Ecclesiastes and a sustained account of his recent sabbatical. He describes deliberate time for reading, travel, family, and study. He reports progress on a book that unites surf culture with theology. The speaker situates sabbatical as a disciplined, communal practice. He explains its roots in Sabbath and jubilee traditions and its role in preventing burnout. He states that the work of ministry requires periodic renewal so that one may continue to serve with clarity and care. Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell respond with questions and reflections that surface the tensions of modern ministry. They probe how one balances obligations to family, congregation, and personal projects. A recurrent theme is the necessity of discernment. The trio converge on the idea that vocation is a pattern of gathering and sending. Will affirms that presiding at the altar and serving people remain his core calling. He names serenity, courage, and wisdom as guiding principles for future decisions. Takeaways: Pastor Rose explains the purpose and value of a sabbatical for pastoral renewal and life discernment.Will notes that friendship and companionship improve meaning and productivity in both labor and ministry.Joshua and TJ discuss practical church logistics, including parking lot maintenance, campus ministry access, and volunteer role distribution.Will reflects on balancing multiple vocational interests, such as podcasting, book writing, and parish duties, to avoid burnout.Pastor Will recommends reflective practice at worship by focusing on the altar and the congregation's continuity across generations.They all acknowledge grief and changing life seasons, urging acceptance, courage to change what is possible, and wisdom. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Hear more of Will on Systematic Geekology, Your Matter Matters, and The Homily: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/4559ab55-4b6a-4432-b0a7-b61540df8803 https://your-matter-matters.captivate.fm/listen https://the-homily-with-chill-will.captivate.fm/listen . Listen to more of TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

Joshua Noel and TJ, Tiberius Juan, Blackwell interview Pastor Ryan Green about the intricate process of preparing and orchestrating a weekly Children's Church service, emphasizing the paramount importance of intentionality and creativity in engaging young minds. He articulates that the foundation of effective ministry lies in the preparation, which not only includes meticulous planning but also the cultivation of a heartfelt connection with the children. This episode further explores how the church community can foster a supportive environment that encourages children to form meaningful relationships with God and one another. Through anecdotes and insights, Pastor Green shares his experiences in children's ministry, highlighting the impact of thoughtful, spirit-led programming on the spiritual development of children. As we delve into this conversation, we grasp the significance of nurturing a vibrant, dynamic church experience for our youngest congregants. The dialogue further advances into the practicalities of children's ministry within ecclesiastical settings, wherein the speakers dissect the intricate processes involved in creating engaging and spiritually enriching environments for youth. Pastor Ryan Green, drawing upon his extensive experience, articulates the necessity for intentionality in programming, emphasizing that the foundation of effective children’s ministry lies in the preparation and execution of thoughtfully designed activities that resonate with the youthful audience. The speakers illuminate the importance of cultivating an atmosphere that not only imparts theological knowledge but also fosters relational connections among children, thereby enhancing their experiential understanding of faith. This segment culminates in a discussion regarding the transformative power of shared experiences in faith formation, asserting that the memories forged through engaging ministry activities can have a lasting impact on children's spiritual journeys, thereby reinforcing the notion that effective ministry transcends mere instruction, evolving into a holistic developmental experience for the younger generation. Takeaways: Pastor Ryan Green emphasizes the necessity of preparation and direction when teaching children, ensuring they are guided correctly from the beginning.The podcast highlights the significance of making children's ministry engaging and fun, while simultaneously instilling spiritual values and teachings.Pastor Green discusses the importance of fostering genuine relationships with children, encouraging them to express their thoughts and feelings in a safe environment.The episode underscores the value of silence and solitude in children's ministry, allowing kids to reflect and listen, which can lead to meaningful spiritual insights.Ryan shares how the planning of children's services involves a balance between structured lessons and the flexibility to adapt based on the children's needs.The conversation reveals the deep impact that a well-structured children's ministry can have on a child's relationship with faith and community. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Listen to more of TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

Joshua Noel engages in a profound dialogue with Will Burton-Edwards, a representative from Cornel Zimmer Organ Builders, as they delve into the intricate process of constructing pipe organs. The conversation elucidates how these magnificent instruments are not merely functional but are vital to the worship experience, fostering a sense of unity among congregants. Burton-Edwards articulates the historical significance of pipe organs and their enduring relevance in contemporary worship settings. The discussion further explores the acoustic considerations involved in organ design and the profound impact of music on communal faith practices. Ultimately, this episode of The Whole Church Podcast reveals the essential role that well-crafted instruments play in enhancing the spiritual atmosphere of the church. A profound exploration of the intricacies involved in the creation of pipe organs unfolds as Joshua Noel engages in conversation with Will Burton-Edwards, a skilled craftsman from Cornel Zimmer Organ Builders. The dialogue traverses the historical significance of pipe organs within worship settings, emphasizing their role in enhancing congregational unity through music. Burton-Edwards articulates the meticulous craftsmanship that underpins organ construction, detailing how each pipe's size and shape correlates with its pitch and tonal quality. This episode not only delves into the technical aspects but also reflects on the spiritual dimensions of music in the church, drawing connections between the act of communal singing and the shared faith experience. Through their discussion, listeners gain insight into the enduring legacy of pipe organs and their capacity to foster a deeper connection among worshippers, bridging the past and present of church music. Takeaways: Will Burton-Edwards discusses the intricate process of building pipe organs and their significance in church worship.The interview highlights how the organ serves not only as a musical instrument but also as a facilitator of community and unity in worship.Burton-Edwards shares his unexpected journey into organ building, stemming from a background in theater and physics.The podcast emphasizes the historical evolution of pipe organs, including the transition from hand-pumped bellows to modern electric blowers.Listeners are encouraged to appreciate the role of music in worship, particularly congregational singing, as a means of connecting with one another.The conversation reflects on the enduring value of pipe organs in churches despite the rise of digital alternatives, asserting their unique sound and presence. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to all of our Holy Logistics series here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/0baf30ad-3ecd-47a9-bbb4-d67e61e1919e . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

The salient point of this episode revolves around the intricate processes and personal experiences associated with church building projects, as articulated by Pastor Kenny Hibbard and Bishop Kenneth Baker. During our discourse, we delve into the multifaceted nature of these endeavors, exploring the challenges, misconceptions, and overlooked blessings inherent in the construction of church facilities. The conversation is enriched by insights from both leaders, who reflect on their respective journeys in establishing places of worship that serve as community hubs. Their narratives provide profound reflections on the spiritual significance of church buildings and the essential role they play in fostering congregational growth and unity. Ultimately, this episode serves as a compelling exploration of how faith and practicality converge in the pursuit of creating spaces for worship and fellowship within the Church. The second installment of our series, "Holy Logistics: How the Church Gets Made," delves into the intricate processes involved in constructing church buildings, an essential aspect of establishing vibrant faith communities. In this enlightening discussion, hosts Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell engage with Pastor Kenny Hibbard and Bishop Kenneth Baker, both of whom have extensive experience in church development. They share their insights on the profound significance of building projects, highlighting that these endeavors are not merely about erecting structures, but rather about creating sacred spaces that foster spirituality and community engagement. The conversation is anchored in the biblical context of Haggai 1:7-9, which emphasizes the importance of prioritizing God's house over personal comforts. Pastor Hibbard and Bishop Baker elucidate the myriad challenges they have faced, from financial constraints to community resistance, while also celebrating the transformative impact that a dedicated church building can have on congregational life and outreach. Through their narratives, they illustrate that the journey of church construction is often fraught with trials, yet it ultimately serves to witness God's provision and to strengthen the faith of the community. This episode serves as a reminder that the physical spaces we inhabit for worship are integral to our collective spiritual journey, urging listeners to reflect on their own priorities concerning their faith communities. Takeaways: The importance of prioritizing God's house above personal interests is emphasized through biblical teachings, particularly Haggai 1:7-9.Pastor Kenny Hibbard and Bishop Kenneth Baker share significant insights on the challenges and blessings involved in church building projects.The episode discusses how church facilities can serve as vital community spaces that extend beyond mere worship services, fostering deeper congregational engagement.A historical perspective on church planting reflects a shift towards community-focused ministry, necessitating physical spaces for gathering and outreach. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

In this inaugural episode of the Holy Logistics series on The Whole Church Podcast, we engage in an illuminating dialogue with John Noel, a part-time evangelist affiliated with the Church of God of Prophecy. The discussion centers primarily on the intricate and multifaceted process of sermon preparation and delivery, emphasizing the essentiality of both spiritual guidance and rigorous study. John elucidates how prayer and scriptural mastery are pivotal in crafting messages that resonate deeply with congregations, aiming to inspire both spiritual growth and communal unity. Furthermore, he shares personal insights from his extensive experience in evangelism, highlighting the dynamics of engaging audiences and addressing their unique spiritual needs. This episode serves as a profound exploration of the foundational elements that underpin effective preaching within the contemporary church context. The inaugural episode of the Holy Logistics series on The Whole Church Podcast presents a profound dialogue between TJ Blackwell, Joshua Noel, and John Noel, an esteemed part-time evangelist affiliated with the Church of God of Prophecy. In this compelling conversation, John elucidates the intricate process involved in sermon preparation and delivery, emphasizing the significance of prayerful discernment and scriptural study. The discussion delves into the theological implications of preaching, highlighting the necessity of conveying messages that resonate with congregants on a personal level. John shares personal anecdotes from his evangelistic endeavors, illustrating how the Lord's guidance shapes the content and focus of his sermons. This episode provides listeners with invaluable insights into the art and responsibility of preaching, inviting them to contemplate the impact of effective communication in their faith communities. Takeaways: In the podcast episode, John Noel emphasizes the importance of preparation and prayer in sermon delivery, highlighting that each sermon must be tailored to the specific needs of the congregation present.The discussion reveals that evangelists serve a vital role in the church by revitalizing congregations and encouraging them to stay focused on their faith and outreach efforts.John Noel shares personal anecdotes illustrating the significance of being sensitive to the Holy Spirit's guidance during sermons, enabling preachers to address the unique needs of individuals in their audience.The episode stresses the necessity of avoiding trivial disputes over doctrine, advocating for a focus on core truths that unify believers and promote spiritual growth within the church community.It is articulated that the role of a pastor is akin to that of a shepherd, responsible for the spiritual well-being of the congregation through nurturing and guidance, thus fostering a strong church unity.John Noel reflects on the profound impact of prayer, asserting that heartfelt intercessions for others can lead to miraculous changes in their lives, reinforcing the idea of community support and shared faith. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

The discourse presented in this episode centers on the profound insights of Jason G. Green, the esteemed author of "Too Precious To Lose: A Memoir of Family, Community, and Possibility." Central to our conversation is the exploration of how Green's upbringing in a historically rich community informs his understanding of unity amidst diversity, particularly in the contemporary landscape marked by division. We delve into the transformative power of storytelling, as Green recounts the invaluable lessons imparted by his grandmother and the broader context of his community's resilience. His experiences, including his tenure as a Special Assistant to President Obama, illuminate the intersection of faith, service, and civic engagement. Together, we reflect on the importance of empathy and connection as essential elements in bridging divides within the church and society at large. The discourse unfolds as Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell engage with Jason G. Green, an eminent community builder and author of the memoir 'Too Precious to Lose: A Memoir of Family, Community, and Possibility'. The discussion delves into the profound themes of familial and communal ties, underscoring the importance of shared narratives in fostering understanding and unity within diverse societal frameworks. Green, whose career spans significant roles including serving as Special Assistant to the President under Obama, articulates the transformative power of storytelling in bridging divides, particularly in contemporary ecclesiastical contexts. He reflects on his upbringing in a Methodist household, where faith and community service intertwined, shaping his outlook on life and leadership. Throughout the dialogue, the speakers explore the intersections of economic opportunity, community trust-building, and democratic renewal, positing that the very essence of a united church lies in its ability to embrace plurality while fostering a sense of belonging among its members. Takeaways: Jason G. Green emphasizes the importance of community building and trust in fostering economic opportunity and democratic renewal.The conversation reflects on how personal stories and family histories can profoundly shape one's understanding of identity and community.Green's experiences in the Obama administration provide insights into the complexities of domestic and economic policy during a challenging era.The podcast discusses the significance of church unity amid diversity and how different cultural backgrounds can enrich communal worship experiences.Jason shares lessons learned from his grandmother, highlighting the power of service and the importance of connecting with others through prayer and support.The episode illustrates how engaging with one’s heritage can inform contemporary social and political issues, fostering empathy and understanding. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Hear more from Joshua on his other podcast, Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . See more from Jason G Green on his website and get his book today: https://jasongerardgreen.com/ . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

Rev. Robin T. Jennings elucidates the profound intersection of Celtic Christianity and the contemporary spiritual journey in his latest literary contribution, "Expressions of the Soul: Celtic Christianity and Life with God." This episode serves as a platform for an engaging dialogue that explores how the ancient practices and beliefs of Celtic Christians can inform and enrich modern faith experiences. Jennings articulates the significance of the soul's expressions and the communal aspects inherent in Celtic spirituality, urging listeners to contemplate the transformative potential of these traditions. Furthermore, he emphasizes the importance of fostering relationships, such as the concept of Anam Cara, or soul friend, as a means of deepening one's connection to the divine and to one another. Through this discussion, we are invited to reflect on our own spiritual practices and the enduring relevance of Celtic Christianity in our lives today. The conversation with Rev. Robin T. Jennings delves into the profound essence of Celtic Christianity as articulated in his latest book, "Expressions of the Soul: Celtic Christianity and Life with God." Jennings, who possesses a wealth of experience as an Episcopal minister, elucidates the spiritual depth and historical richness of Celtic traditions. He recounts his own spiritual journey, revealing how early experiences in a boys' center in Chicago led him to seminary and ultimately to a ministry that spanned over three decades. This background sets the stage for his exploration of the themes of community, spirituality, and the unique practices of Celtic Christianity, which he argues offers vital insights for contemporary seekers of faith. Jennings emphasizes the importance of understanding the soul's connection to God and the significance of prayer, illustrating how these elements are woven into the fabric of Celtic spirituality. He articulates that Celtic Christianity is not a departure from traditional Christianity but rather an enriching perspective that emphasizes God’s presence in nature and the sanctity of every individual. Throughout the discussion, Jennings also introduces the concept of "thin places"—locations where the divine and the mundane intersect, offering glimpses of the sacred in everyday life. He encourages listeners to seek these moments of divine encounter in their own lives, reaffirming that Celtic Christianity’s legacy continues to resonate in today's diverse spiritual landscape. By the end of the episode, Jennings leaves the audience with a call to embrace the communal aspects of faith and to cultivate deeper relationships with God and one another through practices rooted in Celtic traditions. Takeaways: Rev. Robin T. Jennings discusses the significance of Celtic Christianity in modern spiritual practices, emphasizing its relevance today.The concept of 'Anam Kara' or 'soul friend' is presented as a transformative practice within Celtic spirituality.Celtic Christianity's connection to nature is articulated, highlighting the reverence for God's creation as integral to faith.Jennings elaborates on the idea of 'thin places,' mystical locations where the divine presence feels more accessible and tangible.The podcast explores the historical context of Celtic Christianity and its contributions to the broader Christian tradition.Listeners are encouraged to consider how the teachings of Celtic Christianity can foster community and inclusiveness in contemporary faith practices.

Joshua Noel engages in a profound dialogue with Christian Ashley, delving into the intricate and often painful subject of Church Hurt. The conversation unfolds with Christian recounting his personal experiences of disillusionment within the church, yet emphasizes his unwavering commitment to a more conservative Christian tradition. This episode serves as a poignant exploration of how individuals can grapple with their faith amidst adversity, illustrating that the journey through hurt can lead to a more resilient belief system. We further examine the complexities of maintaining faith in a community that may harbor imperfections, asserting that personal convictions can remain steadfast even when faced with challenges. Ultimately, this discourse invites listeners to reflect on their own journeys and encourages a thoughtful engagement with the nuances of faith and community. The dialogue between Joshua Noel and Christian Ashley unfolds with a profound exploration of Church Hurt, delving into Christian's personal experiences and steadfast adherence to a conservative Christian tradition despite the adversities faced. The conversation encompasses an examination of the complexities inherent in the interactions within church communities, particularly those that cause emotional and spiritual distress. Christian articulately describes the dynamics of his involvement with various churches, emphasizing the pivotal role of leadership in shaping congregational experiences. He recounts his formative years in the Southern Baptist Church, where early spiritual awakening was marred by challenges in church leadership, particularly under figures who exhibited a lack of nurturing and understanding. Through his reflections, he elucidates the notion that true leadership within the church should foster growth and healing, rather than perpetuate feelings of inadequacy and bitterness. As the discussion progresses, the conversation navigates through broader themes of church culture and the importance of addressing church hurt with grace and humility. Both speakers engage in a critical analysis of the current state of the church, addressing how institutional failures can lead to disillusionment among congregants. Christian emphasizes the necessity for churches to prioritize genuine community and support, advocating for an approach that embraces vulnerability and authenticity. In advocating for a return to foundational Christian teachings, he posits that the essence of faith lies not in the perfection of its adherents, but in the unwavering grace of Christ that calls for reconciliation amidst human fallibility. This episode serves as a clarion call for greater empathy and understanding within church contexts, challenging listeners to reflect on their roles in fostering unity and healing within their communities. Takeaways: Christian Ashley articulates how his experiences with Church Hurt have shaped his faith journey and commitment to a conservative Christian tradition.The podcast discusses the importance of acknowledging church hurt while still striving for personal healing and community involvement.Listeners are encouraged to seek supportive church communities that prioritize love and understanding in the face of adversity.Joshua Noel and Christian Ashley emphasize that church hurt is often a complex interplay of personal experiences rather than a singular traumatic event.The conversation highlights the necessity of forgiveness in the Christian faith, even in the wake of painful experiences within the church.Both speakers reflect on the significance of questioning and reconstructing faith as a healthy part of spiritual growth. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Listen to Christian Ashley on Let Nothing Move You: https://let-nothing-move-you.captivate.fm/listen . Check out Christian's book, "Lost Time": https://www.starvingwritersguild.com/product/lost-time-paperback-/42?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false . Read Andy Walsh's book, "Faith across the Multiverse: Parables from Modern Science": https://a.co/d/0byzgeQV . Hear more from Joshua on Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen

This episode of The Whole Church Podcast elucidates the intricate relationship between evangelism and missiology, as led by TJ Blackwell. With esteemed participants including Pastor Will Rose, Christian Ashley, Michael Morelli, and Aaron Simmons, the discussion navigates through the complexities of church mission work and the diverse methodologies employed within this domain. The dialogue emphasizes the necessity of understanding the needs of the community while proclaiming the gospel, highlighting that effective evangelism transcends mere numbers and engages deeply with individuals' lived experiences. The speakers explore various theological perspectives, including the implications of doctrinal beliefs on outreach efforts, fostering a robust conversation about the essence of the Church's mission in contemporary society. Ultimately, this roundtable serves as a call to reflect on how we can embody the principles of love and service in our evangelistic pursuits. The Whole Church Podcast presents a thought-provoking roundtable discussion led by Tiberius Juan Blackwell, focusing on the intricate themes of evangelism and missiology. This episode features an impressive roster of participants, including Pastor Will Rose, Christian Ashley, Michael Morelli, and Aaron Simmons, each bringing their unique insights and theological perspectives to the table. The conversation navigates the complexities of church mission work, exploring the historical and contemporary approaches to evangelism. The participants share their experiences and reflections on how the church can effectively engage with a diverse world, emphasizing the importance of building genuine relationships and understanding the needs of individuals in the community. Throughout the dialogue, the participants reflect on the various methods of evangelism, contrasting the traditional, often coercive approaches with a more relational and compassionate model. Pastor Will Rose articulates the Lutheran perspective on evangelism, advocating for a balanced approach that integrates proclamation and accompaniment. The discussion also touches upon the ethical dimensions of mission work, with insights from Michael Morelli and Aaron Simmons highlighting the necessity of humility and openness in evangelistic efforts. The episode challenges listeners to consider how their own beliefs and practices align with the mission of the church in fostering unity and embodying the love of Christ in a fragmented society. As the conversation unfolds, it becomes clear that the participants are committed to redefining evangelism as a joyful participation in the unfolding story of God's grace. The roundtable culminates in a call to action, urging listeners to embrace their unique roles within the broader mission of the church. By prioritizing connection, understanding, and service, the church can truly embody the gospel and be a beacon of hope and reconciliation in the world. This episode serves as a reminder of the transformative power of faith when rooted in genuine relationships and a sincere commitment to meeting the needs of others. Takeaways: In our discussion on evangelism, we emphasize the necessity of understanding individual roles within the Church to foster unity and effective outreach.The harrowing of hell, as described in Ephesians, serves as a profound reminder of Christ's comprehensive mission and the Church's role in continuing that work.Evangelism must transcend mere ideological debates, emphasizing relationship-building and understanding rather than merely doctrinal correctness.A nuanced approach to missions involves accompanying individuals in their spiritual journeys, fostering genuine trust and mutual understanding in faith discussions. . Check out the DEMOCRACY IN TENSION SUMMIT led by Aaron Simmons and Tripp Fuller mentioned in this episode: https://homebrewedchristianity.lpages.co/democracy-in-tension-summit-info-page/ . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Hear more from Will on "Your Matter Matters": https://your-matter-matters.captivate.fm/listen . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Check out Michael Morelli on Personalist Manifesto(s): https://personalistmanifestos.substack.com/about . Hear more from Christian Ashley on Let Nothing Move You: https://let-nothing-move-you.captivate.fm/listen . Listen to our other Round Table discussions here: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/af576211-7f60-4495-8b01-f3074b2f836a . Be sure to come out and meet TJ, Michael, and Will at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

Chantal Morales McKinney's new book, "Following Jesus Beyond Church Walls: A Catalyst for Your Spiritual Growth," serves as a profound exploration of the intersection between personal trauma and spiritual resilience. Within this engaging dialogue, I converse with Chantal about her experiences and insights as a mystic Christian and visionary, emphasizing the importance of spiritual growth outside traditional church structures. We delve into the impact of church-related harm and the necessity for transparency and accountability within faith communities. Chantal elucidates how individuals can maintain their faith in Christ, even when disillusioned by institutional failures. Ultimately, this episode advocates for a renewed understanding of what it means to follow Jesus, encouraging listeners to engage with their faith beyond the confines of church walls. Chantal Morales McKinney's discourse on spiritual growth transcends traditional church confines, as elucidated in her book, "Following Jesus Beyond Church Walls: A Catalyst for Your Spiritual Growth". The conversation pivots around the intrinsic value of community, particularly in the face of adversity and trauma within church environments. Chantal articulates her profound journey, which includes experiences of harassment and the systemic issues that often plague religious institutions. She emphasizes the importance of accountability, compassion, and authentic connection among believers, urging listeners to engage in meaningful dialogue, confess their struggles, and foster an inclusive spiritual community that uplifts rather than marginalizes. The episode serves as a clarion call, encouraging individuals to find pathways of faith that resonate beyond the established norms of church life, thereby expanding one's understanding of God and spirituality. As she shares her insights, Chantal invites listeners to reflect on their own experiences and consider how they can contribute to a future church that embodies love, respect, and genuine support for all its members. Takeaways: Chantal McKinney emphasizes that her book serves as a beacon of hope for those whose faith has been shattered by church harm, inviting them to explore spiritual growth beyond traditional church boundaries.In the podcast, McKinney articulates the profound impact of church trauma on individuals, advocating for a systemic change that prioritizes the voices and experiences of those harmed.The conversation highlights the necessity of accountability within church leadership, addressing the alarming tendency to protect institutions over individuals who have suffered abuse.McKinney's work with the Water and Light movement seeks to create supportive communities for those affected by church harm, fostering healing and solidarity among survivors.The discussion underscores the significance of redefining the church as a community of believers, rather than merely an institution, to better align with the teachings of Jesus.Ultimately, McKinney encourages listeners to engage with their faith in personal and communal ways that transcend traditional church walls, reaffirming the presence of Christ in all spaces. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Visit Chantal's author website: https://www.amazon.com/Following-Jesus-Beyond-Church-Walls/dp/1971589004 . Check out Chantal's Book on Amazon: https://a.co/d/08MdYAh2 . Hear more from Joshua on Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen

The upcoming sabbatical of Pastor Will Rose serves as a focal point for this engaging dialogue on The Whole Church Podcast, wherein we explore the profound significance of rest within the Church and its potential to facilitate greater unity among congregations. In our conversation, we delve into the biblical and theological underpinnings of sabbaticals, drawing connections to the restorative nature of rest as exemplified in the scriptures. Will articulates how intentional cycles of rest not only rejuvenate the individual pastor but also empower the congregation to cultivate a shared responsibility for the church community. Through this insightful discourse, we seek to illuminate the necessity of relinquishing control and embracing communal support, thereby fostering a more resilient and unified Church. Join us as we reflect on the transformative power of rest and its implications for the broader Christian community. In this enlightening episode of The Whole Church Podcast, Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell engage in a profound dialogue with Pastor Will Rose, focusing on the critical theme of rest within the church context, particularly as Pastor Rose prepares for his upcoming sabbatical. The conversation is steeped in theological reflections on Psalm 127, which emphasizes reliance on divine providence over human toil. Pastor Rose articulates the significance of embracing cycles of rest, not only for individual pastors but for the entire church community, suggesting that such practices can cultivate a deeper sense of unity and collaboration among congregants. The discussion delves into the historical and scriptural foundations of sabbaticals, exploring their role as restorative periods that allow pastors to recharge and reflect. Pastor Rose highlights how these moments of intentional rest are vital for preventing burnout and fostering a healthy church environment. He asserts that when pastors are renewed, they can return to their congregations with fresh perspectives and renewed energy, ultimately benefiting the church's mission. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own experiences with rest and to consider how implementing structured periods of sabbatical could transform their church dynamics. The episode serves as a compelling reminder of the importance of integrating rest into the life of the church, advocating for a culture that prioritizes well-being and collective flourishing. It challenges the notion that constant busyness equates to productivity, instead positing that true effectiveness in ministry stems from a place of rest and rejuvenation. Takeaways: Pastor Will Rose discusses the significance of sabbaticals in ministry, emphasizing their role in personal renewal and church vitality.The concept of Sabbath, rooted in the biblical tradition, highlights the importance of rest for both individuals and congregations alike.The conversation explores how cycles of rest contribute to fostering unity within the church community, allowing members to recharge spiritually.Pastor Rose articulates the need for churches to embrace rest as an intentional practice, countering the modern culture of constant productivity. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Hear more from Will on "Your Matter Matters": https://your-matter-matters.captivate.fm/listen . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua, TJ, and Will at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/

The discourse centers on a critical examination of Albert Mohler's concept of theological triage, which delineates various levels of theological concern and subsequently informs our understanding of church unity. Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell engage with Tripp Fuller to explore the implications of such a framework in contemporary ecclesial contexts. They delve into how differences in theological perspectives can impact the perception of unity within the church, prompting inquiries into the nature of fellowship among believers with divergent views. Furthermore, the conversation seeks to define the parameters of church unity, whether through essential doctrines or more nuanced theological disagreements. Ultimately, this episode offers a critical examination of what it means to maintain unity amidst theological diversity, emphasizing the necessity of dialogue and understanding in fostering a cohesive Christian community. The current episode offers an in-depth criticism of theological triage as articulated by Albert Mohler, a framework that delineates the hierarchy of doctrinal significance within Christian discourse. Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell invite Tripp Fuller to dissect the ramifications of this model for church unity and the spectrum of theological concerns that it encompasses. Mohler's triage categorizes beliefs into four tiers, ranging from first-order issues deemed essential to the gospel, to fourth-order opinions that bear minimal ecclesiastical weight. This categorization serves as a navigational tool for believers to assess and prioritize their theological disagreements, potentially fostering a more cohesive church environment. Throughout the conversation, the speakers probe the relevancy and applicability of such a triage in today’s fractured church landscape. Fuller articulates a vision for church unity that transcends mere doctrinal agreement, emphasizing the significance of relational integrity and mutual respect among believers. The dialogue underscores the importance of addressing theological differences with grace, suggesting that a commitment to love and understanding can lead to genuine unity, even amidst profound disagreements. In essence, this episode not only elucidates the concept of theological triage but also challenges listeners to reflect on their own approaches to church unity. The insights provided by Noel, Blackwell, and Fuller encourage a re-examination of how theological disagreements can be navigated constructively, advocating for a church that embodies love and grace while remaining firmly rooted in essential gospel truths. Takeaways: In this episode, Tripp Fuller articulates the notion of theological triage, presenting a structured approach to understanding varying levels of theological disagreement within the Church.Joshua Noel and TJ Blackwell engage Tripp Fuller in a profound dialogue about the implications of unity within the Church, particularly in light of contemporary theological divides.The conversation explores the significance of mutual respect and love among differing theological perspectives as essential to fostering unity in the Christian community.Tripp Fuller discusses the historical context of theological disagreements, emphasizing the need for humility and openness in theological discourse to navigate complex issues.The episode highlights the importance of communal practices, such as prayer and fellowship, as vital components for maintaining church unity amidst diverse beliefs and opinions.Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own theological positions and consider how they engage with others who hold differing views, promoting a spirit of dialogue and understanding. . You can leave a donation, buy podcast merchandise, check out previous series that we've done, or become an official member of The Whole Church Podcast on our website: https://the-whole-church-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out all of the other shows in the Anazao Podcast Network and find merch to support some of your favorite podcasts on the network's website: https://anazao-podcasts-shop.fourthwall.com/ . Check out Tripp's Substack: https://processthis.substack.com/ . Check out TJ on Systematic Geekology: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/f4c32709-d8ff-4cef-8dfd-5775275c3c5e . Hear more from Joshua on Be Living Water: https://be-living-water.captivate.fm/listen . Be sure to come out and meet Joshua, TJ, and Tripp at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City: https://theologybeer.camp/