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Most roofing contractors don’t go out of business because of lack of leads. They go out of business because they don’t understand their numbers. In this episode, Dave Sullivan breaks down why contractors stay busy but still go broke—and what to fix before it’s too late. Featuring insights from Michael Stone from Markup and Profit , this episode covers: Why 9 out of 10 contractors failThe biggest pricing mistakes roofers makeThe difference between markup and marginWhy more sales can actually make things worseThe minimum profit you need to stay in business If you’re not clear on your numbers, none of the marketing or leads matter. 📺 Watch this episode on YouTube (recommended to see the slides and numbers): Watch Now 📊 Want help breaking down your business? Book a Free Roofing Business Review: https://davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call 🔧 ProLine CRM (built for roofing contractors): Track your leads, follow up consistently, and close more jobs 👉https://useproline.com 📞 SMA Support: Never miss calls or follow-ups again—turn more leads into jobs 👉 https://www.smasupport.us/contractor-back-office-outsourcing-bpo-services-about/contact/ 📚 Learn more from Michael Stone: https://markupandprofit.com 🎧 More from The Roofer Show: https://theroofercoach.com About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

Most roofing contractors don’t have a lead problem—they’re losing money in their follow-up, systems, and execution. In this episode, I sit down with Chris Diroll from SMA Support to break down 5 profit leaks that are quietly costing roofing businesses serious revenue. We cover:The 1-minute rule (speed to lead)Mining your CRM graveyard (rehash opportunities)Keeping your reps focused on sellingNeighborhood marketing for free leadsBuilding a referral system that actually work If you fix these, you don’t need more leads—you just need to convert better. LINKS:Take the Profit Leak Audit: https://theroofercoach.com/sma Book a Free Strategy Call: Schedule Now ProLine (Recommended Tool): https://useproline.com/ Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/YVmloP2au3k About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

Most roofing contractors think hiring a salesperson will solve their problems. In reality… it usually creates new ones. In this episode, I break down why your first sales hire often costs you money, how it impacts your margins, and what you need in place before you even think about bringing someone on. If you’re doing $1M–$4M and thinking about hiring—or already have salespeople and things aren’t working the way you expected—this episode will help you take back control. Show NotesIn this episode, we cover: Why most contractors screw up their first sales hireThe truth about “commission-only” salespeopleHow hiring too early actually reduces your profitThe math behind what a salesperson really needs to produceWhy this is a control problem—not a sales problemWhat needs to be in place before you hire LinksFree 1-Page Business Plan: https://theroofercoach.com 2026 Roofing Business Success Audit: https://theroofercoach.com/resources/ ProLine CRM: https://useproline.com SMA Support: https://smasupport.us About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

If you’re struggling to find good employees, you’re not alone. Most roofing contractors say the same thing: “There’s no good people out there.” But that’s not the real problem. The truth is — there ARE good people. They’re just not working for you. In this episode, I sit down with Paul from Contractor Staffing Source to break down how to actually build a recruiting system that attracts better people, responds faster, and helps you stop the revolving door. We cover: Why writing a job post doesn’t work (and what to do instead)The biggest mistake contractors make when hiringWhy speed matters more than you thinkHow to filter and assess the right candidatesWhy hiring the wrong person can cost you $50,000+ If you want to build a business that doesn’t rely on you for everything, this is a must-listen. 👉 Want help building a more profitable roofing business? Book a free strategy call: https://theroofercoach.com 🔖 SHOW NOTESGuest: Paul Sandeman – Contractor Staffing Source Key Takeaways: Always be recruitingWrite an ad, not a job postSpeed to lead applies to hiringYou can’t fix character — hire for itBuild a system or expect a revolving door Looking for a mentor to help guide you and accountability to building a more profitable roofing business? Let’s talk. About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

Most roofing companies try to solve their marketing problems by buying more leads. But what if that’s actually the problem? In this episode of The Roofer Show, I talk with Joe Hughes from Contractor Dynamics about why traditional roofing marketing isn’t working like it used to — and what contractors should be doing instead. We break down how to build your own in-house marketing machine so you’re not dependent on agencies, lead services, or constantly chasing new leads. In this episode, we cover: Why blindly outsourcing marketing doesn’t work anymore The idea of becoming the “general contractor” of your marketingWhy homeowners are more skeptical than everThe importance of speed to lead and answering the phoneHow to become “five mile famous” in your marketWhat marketing is actually working right now If you want more consistent leads and a more profitable roofing business, this episode will change how you think about marketing. Resources & Links:Contractor Dynamics https://contractordynamics.com/ Call to Action: Looking for a mentor to help guide you and accountability to building a more profitable roofing business? Let’s talk. Schedule Now About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

Most homeowners don’t have $25,000 sitting around for a new roof. In this episode of The Roofer Show, Dave Sullivan talks with financing expert Chris Scoville about how roofing contractors can use financing to close more jobs. With roofing prices higher than ever, many homeowners don’t have the cash available to pay for a new roof upfront. Contractors who offer financing give customers more options and remove one of the biggest barriers to saying yes. Chris explains why contractors should offer financing early, always, and often, and how monthly payment options help homeowners move forward with roofing projects. They also discuss how financing can be integrated into proposals, websites, and CRM systems like ProLine to make the process simple for both contractors and homeowners. If you're not offering financing, you may be losing jobs to competitors who are. Episode Highlights• Why many roofing contractors lose jobs because they don’t offer financing • The rule: offer financing early, always, and often • Why homeowners respond better to monthly payments than total price • How financing helps contractors close more jobs without lowering their price • Simple ways to integrate financing into proposals and websites Show NotesMany roofing contractors struggle with price objections when presenting large projects to homeowners. Financing can remove one of the biggest barriers to closing roofing jobs by giving customers options and spreading payments over time. In this episode, Dave Sullivan sits down with financing expert Chris Scoville to discuss how contractors can use financing effectively to grow their business and close more jobs. Chris shares practical advice on how financing works, why contractors should present it early in the sales process, and how showing monthly payment options can dramatically change how homeowners make decisions. If you’re not offering financing today, this conversation may change the way you approach selling roofing projects. HostDave Sullivan The Roofer Coach Helping roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. If you're looking for help building a more profitable roofing business, let’s talk. Visit: https://theroofercoach.com Podcast LinksWebsite https://theroofercoach.com YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@DaveSullivanRooferShow Roofing Business Podcast Topics CoveredThis episode discusses topics important to roofing contractors including: • roofing financing • roofing sales strategies • selling high-ticket roofing projects • roofing business growth • contractor marketing and sales • closing more roofing jobs About The Roofer ShowThe Roofer Show Podcast helps roofing contractors grow their businesses, make more money, and have more free time. Hosted by Dave Sullivan, The Roofer Coach, the show shares practical advice on roofing sales, marketing, operations, leadership, and financial management.

EPISODE SUMMARYIn this episode, I’m joined by Michael Stone, author of Markup & Profit, to talk about the real reason so many roofing contractors go broke: they don’t charge enough and they don’t know their numbers. We break down markup vs. profit, why job costing is mandatory, how to set pricing to cover overhead + owner pay + net profit, and how to market to the right customer so you can charge what you’re worth. EPISODE DESCRIPTIONMost roofing contractors don’t go out of business because they can’t sell. They go out of business because they don’t charge enough, don’t job cost, and don’t know their real numbers. In this episode, I’m joined by Michael Stone, author of the classic book Markup & Profit, to talk about the fundamentals that never change — and why “the market price” mentality keeps contractors broke. We cover:Why 9 out of 10 contractors go broke (and what the profitable ones do differently)The difference between markup and gross profit (and why it matters)Why job costing is non-negotiable if you want consistent profitHow to set pricing to cover overhead, owner pay, and net profitWhy “being competitive” is optional — but being profitable isn’tHow to market to the right customer so you can charge what you’re worthCash flow and payment schedules: why contractors run out of cash even when they’re busyBuilding a business that’s actually sellable (systems + financials + profit) Connect with Michael Stone:Website: markupandprofit.com Connect with Dave / The Roofer Coach:Free Strategy Call: Schedule Now Free Resource (1-Page Business Plan): theroofercoach.com/plan Text Dave: (510) 612-1450 SPONSORS:✅ ProLine — Automate follow-up and close more jobs with text + email. Try it FREE and save 50% off your first month with code DAVE50 → useproline.com ✅ SMA Support — Virtual assistants for roofing companies (calls, admin, lead follow-up) → smasupport.us

EPISODE DESCRIPTIONThinking about starting a roofing business? Or trying to run yours more professionally? In this episode, Dave sits down with former co-host and roofing business owner John Delaurier to talk about what it actually takes to build a profitable roofing company in 2026. They cover profit margins, speed to lead, branding, hiring your first sales rep, neighborhood domination marketing, and the key KPIs every contractor must track. If you want to build it right — this episode is for you. 📄 SHOW NOTESHow to Start a Roofing Business in 2026: Profit, Systems & What Most Get Wrong A lot of contractors want to start a roofing company. Very few understand what it actually takes to build one that’s profitable, stable, and scalable. In this episode, Dave Sullivan sits down with former co-host and former coaching client John Delaurier — who started a roofing company from scratch, built it to $3M, ran it profitably, and eventually sold it. Now working with contractors across the country, John shares what he’s seeing in today’s market and what separates contractors who win from those who struggle. What We Cover: Why “slow market” doesn’t mean you can’t winThe importance of defining your “why” before startingWhy revenue means nothing without marginWhy 35% gross profit should be your minimum target (retail)The 4–5M revenue sweet spot for lifestyle + profitabilitySpeed-to-lead and why seconds matterBranding mistakes most contractors makeWhy you must dominate neighborhoodsWhy the owner should sell the first $1MHiring and training your first sales repThe three KPIs that drive everything:Close rateAverage ticket sizeGross profit marginWhy job costing must happen on every single jobKey TakeawaysYou don’t grow into profitability — you build it intentionally.If you’re not tracking your numbers, you’re guessing.Speed to lead wins in a shrinking market.Branding is about your customer — not your ego.You must learn to sell before you hire salespeople. Sponsors Ruby If your phone isn’t getting answered live, you’re losing jobs. Ruby provides professional virtual receptionists who answer calls and book appointments so you never miss an opportunity. 👉 theroofercoach.com/ruby SMA Support As your roofing business grows, operations get messy fast. SMA Support helps simplify and systemize your back-end operations so you can scale without chaos. 👉 smasupport.us Resources Mentioned ProLine CRM – useproline.com Top Rep STG (Sales Transformation Group) KickCharge Branding (Dan Antonelli) Brad Akers – Neighborhood Domination Strategy Looking for Mentorship? If you’re serious about building a profitable roofing business and want accountability and guidance… 👉 Head over to theroofercoach.com and schedule a call. ⏱ TIMESTAMPS (Chapters)00:00 – Intro 03:00 – State of the roofing market in 2025–2026 10:54 – Defining your “why” before starting 13:51 – Reverse engineering income goals 15:30 – Revenue per capita and staffing 17:00 – Why 35% gross profit matters 23:00 – Branding mistakes contractors make 32:00 – Speed to lead and instant response systems 37:40 – Neighborhood domination marketing 48:18 – Why the owner sells the first $1M 57:04 – The 3 KPIs every contractor must track 1:00:20 – Financials, bookkeeping, and keeping score

EPISODE SUMMARY What actually makes a roofing website convert in 2026 — and why most contractors waste money on marketing because their foundation is weak. EPISODE DESCRIPTION Most roofing websites are built to look good. The only thing that matters is whether they generate qualified appointments. In this episode of The Roofer Show, I sit down with Cody from Hook Agency to break down what actually makes a roofing website convert in 2026. We cover: • What a roofing website is actually supposed to do • What makes a homepage convert in the first 5 seconds • Why your About page builds trust (or kills it) • Service pages and location pages (and why most contractors get this wrong) • Google Ads vs Meta Ads • The biggest DIY advertising mistakes • What transparent marketing reporting should look like • How to measure ROI the right way If you’re spending money on SEO or paid ads and not seeing results, this episode will help you rethink your foundation. Your website is the hub of your marketing. If it doesn’t convert, everything else struggles. KEY TAKEAWAYS A roofing website must confirm, build trust, and drive a clear action.Most contractors design for ego instead of conversion.Location pages are essential for local SEO.Clicks and impressions don’t matter — appointments do.DIY Google Ads without strategy wastes money.Marketing reporting must focus on ROI, not vanity metrics. RESOURCES & LINKS Hook Agency https://hookagency.com Ruby Receptionists Live, professional phone answering that converts calls into appointments theroofercoach.com/ruby (Get $150 off your first month – tell them Dave sent you) ProLine CRM Follow-up automation, quotes, updates, and review requests — done for you useproline.com (Tell them you heard about ProLine on The Roofer Show) SMA Support Inside sales and operations support so nothing falls through the cracks smasupport.us (Tell them Dave sent you) Download Dave’s Free 1-Page Business Plan https://theroofercoach.com Book a Coaching Call https://theroofercoach.com

EPISODE SUMMARY Most roofers think they need more leads. But leads don’t fix a broken roofing business — they amplify the chaos. In this episode, Dave Sullivan explains why the “boring” foundation work — answering the phone, follow-up, systems, process, and finishing jobs the right way — is what actually creates profit, control, and time off. This episode ties directly to last week’s show (Your Roofing Company Isn’t Ready for More Leads) and sets the stage for upcoming episodes on markup vs profit and what a website is really supposed to do. If you’re tired of being busy, stressed, and wondering where the money went, this is a Start Here episode. EPISODE DESCRIPTION Roofing contractors love exciting goals: more leads, more sales, bigger numbers. But here’s the truth — if your systems can’t handle growth, growth will punish you. In this episode, Dave breaks down why most roofing businesses struggle even when revenue is up and what must be fixed before you chase more leads or scale. Dave also shares a real-world lesson from a recent home renovation project and why the last 5–10% of a job — the walkthrough, closeout, and customer experience — is what actually drives 5-star reviews, referrals, and long-term brand value. This is the foundation work most contractors avoid because it feels boring — and exactly why it works. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN Why more leads don’t solve broken systemsThe real job of your website (and what it’s NOT)Why speed-to-lead and live phone answering matterHow follow-up automation changes close ratesWhy most contractors struggle to convert opportunitiesThe “2-week vacation test” to see who really owns the businessWhy finishing strong is what earns reviews and referralsWhy mentoring beats one-time courses when plans change RESOURCES & LINKS Free 2026 Roofing Business Success Audit(50 yes/no questions + a score you can compare to other companies) Visit the Resources page at TheRooferCoach.comRuby ReceptionistsLive, professional phone answering that converts calls into appointments theroofercoach.com/ruby(Get $150 off your first month – tell them Dave sent you)ProLine CRMFollow-up automation, quotes, updates, and review requests — done for you useproline.com(Tell them you heard about ProLine on The Roofer Show)SMA SupportInside sales and operations support so nothing falls through the cracks smasupport.us(Tell them Dave sent you)

EPISODE SUMMARY Most roofers think they need more leads. In reality, most have a foundation problem. In this episode, Dave Sullivan explains why missed calls, weak follow-up, messy books, and lack of planning are the real reasons roofing companies struggle — and why buying more leads only makes the problem worse. EPISODE DESCRIPTION Roofers are obsessed with leads. But more leads won’t fix a broken business. If your roofing company feels busy but broke, the problem usually isn’t marketing — it’s systems, sales process, job costing, and financial clarity. In this solo episode, Dave Sullivan walks through his Roofing Business Success Audit and One-Page Business Plan, and explains why every contractor must master the fundamentals before trying to scale. Dave breaks down: Why most roofing companies aren’t ready for growth How to improve results by raising your close rate Why missed calls and poor follow-up quietly kill profits The Three-Legged Stool: Sell Work / Do Work / Keep Score Why messy books force CPAs to file extensions How bad job costing destroys pricing and margins Why top-line revenue is vanity and profit is reality If you want a business that actually makes money — not just looks busy — this episode is your reality check. YOU’LL LEARN Why more leads won’t solve your problems How to close more deals without spending more on ads Why sales process matters more than marketing How job costing affects your pricing Why QuickBooks out-of-the-box doesn’t work for contractors How to use financial statements to make decisions Why planning beats reacting How to use the Roofing Business Audit as a diagnostic tool TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Sponsor: Ruby Receptionists 01:25 – Busy but broke: the real problem 04:16 – Why leads aren’t the issue 05:46 – Close rate and sales fundamentals 08:05 – Back to basics (golf analogy) 09:05 – The business checkup mindset 09:49 – Sponsor: ProLine CRM 11:00 – Sell Work: sales process and follow-up 14:20 – Do Work: production and job costing 15:23 – Keep Score: financials and reports 17:06 – Why QuickBooks isn’t set up for contractors 18:09 – Bookkeeping cleanup and Tisha 19:20 – Workers’ comp and miscategorized job costs 21:25 – Sponsor: SMA Support 22:19 – Why business plans matter 23:46 – Why scaling without profit fails 26:21 – Scott Tebay story on success 27:43 – John DeLorian and annual planning 29:36 – Mike Tyson quote: planning vs reacting 32:02 – Download the Audit and Plan 33:02 – Tax season warning: extensions 34:05 – Final takeaways and contact info RESOURCES The Roofer Coach https://theroofercoach.com Free 1-Page Business Plan https://theroofercoach.com/plan 2026 Roofing Business Success Audit https://theroofercoach.com/resources/ LINKS Work with Dave / Mentoring https://theroofercoach.com/mentoring/ Free Resources https://theroofercoach.com/resources/ Text Dave (510) 612-1450 Free Strategy Call https://davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call TRUSTED & VETTED SPONSORS Ruby Receptionists US-based professionals who answer your phones live and tee up the sale Get $150 off → https://theroofercoach.com/ruby ProLine Automated follow-up, texts, emails, and CRM for roofers 50% off first month with code DAVE50 → https://useproline.com SMA Support Roofing-specific virtual assistants https://smasupport.us

EPISODE SUMMARY Most roofers chase leads. The best roofers build a brand. In this episode, Dave and Crystal Williams explain why branding—not just ads—is what makes leads cheaper, customers more loyal, and businesses more valuable over time. EPISODE DESCRIPTION Roofers are obsessed with leads. But leads get more expensive every year — unless you build something that makes people remember you, trust you, and look for you by name. That’s called branding. In this episode, Dave Sullivan sits down with Crystal Williams of Lemon Seed Marketing to explain what branding actually means for roofing companies — and how to build it while still generating leads today. They break down: Why most roofers look the sameHow differentiation keeps you out of price warsHow mascots, billboards, trucks, and storytelling really workWhy “direct search” is the real scorecard for brandingAnd why marketing cannot fix broken operations Crystal also shares the real-world case study of Eminem Roofing and Rufus the Armadillo, showing how consistent branding helped turn a small roofing company into a dominant regional player. If you want cheaper leads, better customers, and a business that’s worth more than its trucks — this is where it starts. YOU’LL LEARN What branding actually means (it’s not your logo)Why differentiation lets you charge moreHow branding and lead gen should run togetherWhy mascots work — if you commitHow to measure branding using direct searchWhy marketing exposes bad operationsWhen it’s time to rebrandHow consistent branding lowers your cost per lead TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Why branding matters 01:16 – What branding really is 03:45 – Storytelling and emotional connection 06:45 – Differentiation vs being a commodity 09:02 – Brand personality and origin stories 13:29 – Eminem Roofing case study 17:16 – Rufus the Armadillo and mascots 23:24 – When mascots work (and when they don’t) 29:47 – Ideal customer avatars and audits 35:21 – How to measure brand ROI 41:14 – Branding is a long-term commitment 43:09 – Why marketing can’t fix bad operations 48:15 – When to rebrand 53:45 – Final takeaways 54:19 – How to reach Crystal RESOURCES Lemon Seed Marketing https://lemonseedmarketing.com Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected] LINKS Work with Dave / Mentoring https://theroofercoach.com/mentoring/ Free Resources https://theroofercoach.com/resources/ Text Dave (510) 612-1450 Free Strategy Call https://davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call Free 1-Page Business Plan https://theroofercoach.com/plan TRUSTED & VETTED SPONSORS Ruby Receptionists US-based professionals who answer your phones live and tee up the sale Get $150 off → https://theroofercoach.com/ruby ProLine Automated follow-up, texts, emails, and CRM for roofers 50% off first month with code DAVE50 → https://useproline.com SMA Support Roofing-specific virtual assistants https://smasupport.us

EPISODE SUMMARYThis episode was recorded during the roofing boom—when being busy hid bad numbers. Today, work is slower and margins are tighter. Dave explains why job costing is now the difference between surviving and disappearing, and why “gut feel” leaves contractors broke even even when they’re busy. EPISODE DESCRIPTIONThis interview was recorded a few years ago when the roofing market was on fire. Phones were ringing, jobs were everywhere, and being busy hid a lot of sins. Today it’s different. Jobs are harder to get. Margins are thinner. And the contractors who don’t truly understand their numbers—what jobs actually make money, what crews are profitable, what their real labor cost is—those companies won’t survive this market. I hear it every week: “Dave, we’re working like crazy… but there’s never any money in the bank.” That’s not bad luck. That’s no job costing. Successful contractors job cost every job. Unsuccessful ones run on gut feel—and in this market, gut feel will put you out of business. In this conversation, Dave Sullivan sits down with construction finance expert Leslie Shiner to break down the simple job costing system profitable roofers use to protect margins and make real decisions. You’ll LearnWhy “gut feel” lies—and cash proves itThe real reason busy roofers still have no moneyHow to calculate true labor cost (labor burden)Paid hours vs billable hours = labor utilizationWhy labor overruns destroy profit faster than materialsHow estimate vs actual fixes bad pricingHow to see which crews and job types make moneyTwo KPIs every roofer must track TIMESTAMPS00:00 – Why this matters now 02:20 – Gut feel vs real profit 06:20 – What job costing actually means 10:15 – True labor cost & labor burden 17:30 – Labor utilization explained 24:15 – Estimate vs actual the right way 30:25 – Fixing downtime & productivity 36:40 – Sales to production handoff 40:35 – KPIs that matter 44:15 – Improving your system RESOURCESShiner Group: https://www.shinergroup.com Free Labor Burden Calculator (on Leslie’s site) LINKSWork with Dave / Mentoring: https://theroofercoach.com/mentoring/ Free resources: https://theroofercoach.com/resources/ Connect with Dave! Text Dave: (510) 612-1450 Free Strategy Call Want to grow a more profitable roofing business? Book a free strategy call with Dave here → davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call Free Resource Download your FREE 1-Page Business Plan for Roofing Contractors → theroofercoach.com/plan Watch on YouTube Subscribe for weekly tips and full episodes → @DaveSullivanRooferShow Trusted & Vetted SponsorsRuby Receptionists US-based professionals who answer your phones live, leave a great first impression, and tee up the sale. Get $150 off your first month → theroofercoach.com/ruby ProLine Automate your follow-up and close more jobs with text, email, and CRM integration. Try it FREE + save 50% off your first month with code DAVE50 → useproline.com SMA Support Roofing-specific virtual assistants who know the business. Free up your time by outsourcing admin, marketing, and customer service tasks → smasupport.us GUESTLeslie Shiner – Shiner Group https://www.shinergroup.com

As we head into 2026, many roofing contractors are rethinking how they build their business—focusing less on chaos and top-line growth, and more on profitability, structure, and long-term value. In this episode, Dave Sullivan sits down with Tim Brown of Hook Agency, who’s doing something unexpected: launching his own roofing company, Owl Roofing. Dave walks Tim through the One-Page Business Plan framework to pressure-test the idea, clarify the strategy, and uncover the real challenges that come with starting a roofing business the right way. This conversation goes far beyond marketing. Tim and Dave dig into storm work vs. retail, branding and positioning, financing-first selling, leadership depth, production risks, and what it really takes to build a roofing company that can grow without relying on the owner every day. If you’re planning your 2026 strategy—or thinking about starting, scaling, or eventually stepping back from your business—this episode will sharpen your thinking fast. What you’ll hear in this episode: Why Tim Brown is launching Owl Roofing and what he hopes to buildUsing the One-Page Business Plan to create clarity and directionStorm work vs. retail roofing and how to think about the mixWhy being “five-mile-famous” beats spreading marketing thinThe two biggest homeowner complaints: communication and clean-upFinancing-first selling: why homeowners buy payments, not pricesDave’s three-legged stool framework: Sell Work, Do Work, Keep ScoreThe real risks in roofing: hiring, production handoffs, insurance tightening, and cash flowBuilding a business that creates options—sell it, step back, or keep it cash flowing Resources mentioned: Free One-Page Business Plan for Roofing Contractors → https://theroofercoach.com/resourcesRoofing Success Audit → https://theroofercoach.com/resourcesHook Agency → https://hookagency.com Trusted & Vetted Sponsors: Ruby Receptionists – US-based professionals who answer your phones live, create a great first impression, and tee up the sale so you can focus on running your business.Get $150 off your first month → https://theroofercoach.com/rubyProLine – The roofing CRM that sells more jobs and helps you make it home for dinner. Automate follow-up, quoting, and communication in one simple platform.Try it FREE + save 50% off your first month with code DAVE50 → https://useproline.comSMA Support – Roofing-specific virtual assistants who understand the business. Outsource admin, marketing, and customer service tasks to free up your time.Learn more → https://smasupport.us Connect with Tim: Facebook: https://facebook.com/invigoratedOwlRoofing.com Work with Dave (2026): Looking for a mentor to help guide you and accountability to building a more profitable roofing business? Let’s talk. Book a free strategy call → https://davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call Watch on YouTube: Subscribe for full episodes and short-form roofing business insights → @DaveSullivanRooferShow

As we head into 2026, homeowners are still turning to Google when they need a roofer, and local visibility continues to drive high-quality leads. Many contractors spend money on marketing without understanding how local SEO and Google Maps actually work. In this episode, Dave breaks down the fundamentals of local search, what really drives inbound leads, and how to improve visibility without relying solely on paid ads. If homeowners can’t find you on Google, you don’t exist. In this episode, I sit down with local SEO expert Dima Sobovoy to break down how roofing contractors can win more jobs by showing up where it matters most, Google Maps and local search. We talk about why many roofing websites and SEO campaigns fail, what Google actually looks for when ranking local contractors, and how simple changes can dramatically improve visibility without chasing gimmicks or shortcuts. This episode is about building a strong local presence that consistently generates qualified leads, not just clicks. Local SEO isn’t optional for roofing contractors; it’s foundational. In this episode, Dave Sullivan talks with Dima Sobovoy about what actually drives local rankings for roofers and home service businesses. They break down the common mistakes contractors make with SEO, why “set it and forget it” marketing doesn’t work, and how Google Maps has become one of the most powerful lead sources in local markets. Dima explains the importance of Google Business Profiles, reviews, proximity, relevance, and consistency, and how contractors can improve their local presence without massive ad budgets. The conversation also covers how SEO fits into a broader business system, so leads don’t go to waste once the phone starts ringing. If you want more inbound leads from homeowners actively searching for a roofer in your area, this episode lays out the fundamentals you need to understand. This episode is a replay of a previously published episode of The Roofer Show. We’re bringing it back because the message is especially relevant as contractors plan for 2026. Original episode: https://theroofershow.com/418 What you’ll hear in this episode: Google Maps visibility is critical for roofing contractorsLocal SEO drives higher-intent leads than many paid adsGoogle Business Profiles must be actively managed, not ignoredReviews, consistency, and relevance matter more than tricksSEO only works when paired with strong follow-up systemsLong-term local visibility beats short-term marketing hacks Resources: Connect with Dave! Text Dave: (510) 612-1450 Free Strategy Call Want to grow a more profitable roofing business? Book a free strategy call with Dave here → davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-call Free Resource Download your FREE 1-Page Business Plan for Roofing Contractors → theroofershow.com/plan Watch on YouTube Subscribe for weekly tips and full episodes → @DaveSullivanRooferShow Trusted & Vetted Sponsors Ruby Receptionists – US-based professionals who answer your phones live, leave a great first impression, and tee up the sale. Get $150 off your first month → theroofercoach.com/ruby. ProLine – Automate your follow-up and close more jobs with text, email, and CRM integration. Try it FREE + save 50% off your first month with code DAVE50 → useproline.com. SMA Support – Roofing-specific virtual assistants who know the business. Free up your time by outsourcing admin, marketing, and customer service tasks → smasupport.us.