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Date created
2017/03/03
Latest episode
2026/04/23
Average duration
35 min.
Release period
3 days
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Shredded: LinkedIn, General Robotics, UKG, Tesla, Scale AI, Urfuture, LumApps, & More
2026/04/23
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Data Wars with Rebecca Carr
2026/04/21
Forget the "walled gardens" of enterprise tech; it’s time to talk about what happens when the walls finally come down. In this episode of Mallorca Talks, Chad Sowash and SmartRecruiters CEO Rebecca Carr strip away the corporate ego to reveal a future of radical connectivity. Backed by a fleet of 120 SAP engineers, they’re ditching rigid job descriptions for a world where AI agents handle the grind and humans are free to create. It’s bold, it’s transparent, and it’s changing everything.
Chapters:
0:00:24 — The Vision of Connected Ecosystems
0:04:46 — Agentic Workflows and Messaging Connectivity
0:06:26 — Case Study: Real-Time Behavioral Feedback
0:08:43 — The New Model of Partnerships and Pricing
0:12:27 — SAP’s Commitment: The Engineering "Fleet"
0:21:12 — Fixing the "Leaky Bucket" of Recruitment Marketing
0:25:46 — From "Jobs" to "Tasks-to-be-Done"
0:37:06 — Creativity Unleashed: The Future of Work
LinkedIn 'Shakes and Gen Z Breaks
2026/04/17
Buckle up, HR tech nerds, because the boys are back to save you from your own snooze-fest industry. On this episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel and Chad are diving headfirst into the chaotic vibes of 2026.
They kick things off with a wild ride through the future—from the engineering feat of cleaning toilets on the Artemis moon missions to the "side hustle seduction" of the AI training gold rush.
While platforms like Handshake and Mercor see revenues skyrocket, the big question remains: are experts actually mentoring AI, or just training their own replacements?
The cynicism stays high as the duo tackles the latest drama from Silicon Valley elites, including Molotov cocktails at Sam Altman’s house and Mark Zuckerberg’s creepy AI twin.
They dig into the "existential threat" AI poses to Gen Z, who are using the tech weekly but fear it’s gutting their wages and killing their creativity.
On the industry front, they break down Humanly’s acquisition of Anthill, questioning if this is a masterstroke in the frontline workforce game or just a high-speed fire sale.
Expect the usual blend of sharp analysis, 90s music nostalgia, and enough dad jokes to make you regret your career choices.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Current Events
03:00 - Reflections on Space Exploration and Sports
05:58 - Oasis and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
09:55 - Candidate Fraud and AI Training Market
14:58 - The Future of AI and Human Involvement
21:47 - The Future of AI and Human Interaction
24:21 - Silicon Valley's Controversial Figures
27:43 - The Impact of AI on Jobs and Society
35:10 - Generational Perspectives on AI
41:14 - Humanly's Strategic Acquisitions and Market Positioning
Shredded: HrFlow.ai, Humanly, ZRG, TraqCheck, LinkedIn, Handshake, Mercor, & More
2026/04/16
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Radical Transparency with Allyn Bailey
2026/04/14
Recruiting hasn’t just evolved—it’s being completely rewritten. For decades, the hiring process has been a "black hole" of static resumes and guarded information, but the walls are finally coming down.
In this episode, Allyn Bailey (SmartRecruiters) joins Chad Sowash to expose why traditional systems are becoming irrelevant. They dive into the shift from isolated tech to AI-driven, data-connected ecosystems where agents live directly within your daily workflows.
More importantly, they tackle the industry’s biggest taboo: Transparency. From real-time candidate scoring to the end of salary secrecy, learn why the redistribution of power is inevitable—and why companies clinging to the old ways of "control" will be the first to lose the war for talent.
Key Takeaways:
Why integration with AI is a real breakthrough.
The transition from static job descriptions to dynamic talent maps.
How AI is replacing candidate silence with actionable feedback and roadmaps.
Grayscale Evolves & BLS Lies?
2026/04/10
This week on HR's most dangerous podcast, Chad and JT are cutting through the seasonal slush and corporate spin.
The BLS Fairy Tale: The White House is hailing a "golden age" of job growth, but we’re pulling back the curtain on a report filled with striking workers returning to payrolls and construction crews finally seeing the sun.
The Agentic Takeover: Paylocity acquires Grayscale as the industry pivots from simple SMS pings to full-blown AI orchestration. Is this a high-value play or just an "aqua-hire" to survive the tech-debt race?.
Uncle Sam’s Playbook: Healthcare startup Clasp raises $20M by dusting off a 100-year-old military model to trade student loan debt for employee tenure.
The Dorsey Doctrine: We dive into Jack Dorsey’s "heady" vision of a remote-first world where AI maintains a company’s "world model," effectively flattening the hierarchy and making middle management obsolete.
Is the economy actually booming, or is it just a "two-week" soundbite on loop?. Grab a whiskey (preferably Blanton's) and find out.
Shredded: Indeed, monday.com, Burger King, JPMorgan, Paylocity, Grayscale Labs, LinkedIn, & More
2026/04/09
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Creating a Culture Where People (Actually) Matter: Insights from Josh Block
2026/04/07
It’s the podcast your mom warned you about, and this week, Chad & Cheese are digging into the trenches of the medical imaging world with Josh Block, author of People Matter at Work. From the "FUNCY" streets of Muncie, Indiana, to unexpectedly becoming the president of a $30M family business over a single weekend, Josh shares his wild ride of scaling an organization to over $200M by betting everything on healthy culture.
In this episode, the guys tackle why healthcare management is notoriously broken, the reality of imposter syndrome when you're handed the keys to the kingdom at 29, and the "stop sign revelation" in Indiana that sparked a six-year journey to prove that people actually matter in the workplace.
Forget the polished marketing fluff; this is a raw look at workforce leadership, Big Ten rivalries, and whether or not Josh was actually tapped on the shoulder by a ghost—or just a local in Muncie—to tell his story.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to Josh Block and His Journey
03:04 - The Importance of Culture in the Workplace
05:56 - Challenges in Healthcare and the Role of AI
08:56 - Creating a Healthy Work Environment
12:05 - Navigating Growth and Change in Organizations
15:07 - The Impact of Remote Work on Company Culture
18:04 - Flexibility and Retention Strategies
20:51 - Addressing Politics in the Workplace
23:58 - Cultural Identity and Employee Engagement
26:58 - Retention and Employee Tenure Insights
Mercor Hacks & Findem Smacks
2026/04/03
Get ready for another round of high-stakes industry talk and "light-hearted" chaos on this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast. The boys are back, with Chad recapping a whirlwind UK tour of scotch and golf while revealing a brand-new tattoo that has Joel feeling a bit "cheated" on.
Between Emi’s pivot from Sri Lanka to Brazil and a heated debate over whether they’d sell out their friends for a MrBeast-sized jackpot, the team dives into the heavy hitters: Oracle’s massive AI-driven layoffs and the fallout of the Mercor data breach.
The conversation turns sharp as they dissect the US Senate’s investigation into data brokers like Findem and LinkedIn’s latest power move to kill spontaneous live streaming in favor of monetization.
From Citi banker Jay Collins’ dire warnings about AI threatening the middle class to Melania Trump’s vision of humanoid robots in the classroom, no stone is left unturned.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates
03:20 - Travel Tales and Experiences
06:21 - Shout Outs and Current Events
09:37 - Tech Layoffs and AI Concerns
11:16 - Entertainment and Reality Shows
15:47 - Beer and Events: A Lighthearted Start
17:10 - Upcoming Events and Networking Opportunities
19:06 - Traitify Acquisition Update
21:12 Mercor Data Breach: A Serious Concern
30:31 Senate Investigation into Data Brokers, Findem
39:04 The Value of Transparency in Data Handling
40:01 The Future of Live Streaming on LinkedIn
47:05 AI and the Threat to Capitalism
58:08 Education in the Age of AI
Shredded: Allvia, HR Pals, Clasp, Origin, Aetheon, Deccan AI, Linkedin, & More
2026/04/02
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Recruiting Rewired
2026/03/31
Is "Agentic Recruiting" the end of HR friction? Chad Sowash sits down with Shiran Yaroslavsky to discuss the shift from clunky dashboards to seamless AI orchestration. Shiran shares how to wake up "zombie" talent pools, slash ATS migrations from months to weeks, and build transparent, bias-monitored systems. It’s a masterclass in making AI work for the recruiter, not the other way around.
Here's Why White-Collar Salaries are Collapsing
2026/03/27
In this episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest host JT O’Donnell for a candid, high-energy deep dive into the chaotic labor market of 2026. The duo kicks things off with "girl talk," debating the age-old GIF vs. Jif controversy and sharing a wild March Madness story involving a chance elevator encounter with a college coach. The banter quickly turns to the business of sports, exploring how NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals are shifting the coaching landscape and the mental health hurdles athletes face when the big checks stop rolling in.
The heart of the episode tackles the "don’t know what’s real anymore" era of Artificial Intelligence. Joel and JT dissect the drama surrounding OpenAI’s Sora and a viral TikTok "roast" that turned out to be AI-generated marketing slop. They explore the booming AI-clip economy, where creators are using tools like Opus Pro to rake in six-figure incomes without ever stepping in front of a camera. However, the corporate side of AI presents a grimmer reality; according to the Randstad Workmonitor 2026, 76% of employers expect half of entry-level roles to vanish within five years due to automation—a looming crisis that many workers have yet to acknowledge.
The conversation gets real about the current white-collar job market, noting that 40% of job-switchers are taking massive pay cuts just to stay employed. They pull no punches on the rise of "reverse recruiting," labeling services that charge desperate job seekers thousands of dollars as potential scams. From rumors of massive layoffs at Talent.com to the surge in demand for "AI Trainers" and "agentic" skills, this episode is a must-listen for anyone trying to navigate a world where traditional career paths are breaking.
Whether it’s legal drama at Deel, LinkedIn virality in the NBA, or JT’s upcoming appearance at Harvard Business School, this episode blends snarky industry critiques with essential survival tips for the modern workforce.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Banter
03:09 - Streaming and Content Consumption Trends
05:52 - March Madness and Coaching Dynamics
08:55 - NIL and Financial Literacy for Athletes
12:00 - AI in Recruitment and Marketing
15:59 - The Evolution of Influencer Marketing
19:59 - Shout Outs and Unique Stories
21:57 - Sperm Donation Controversies
23:36 - Shout Out to Harvard Business School
27:11 - Upcoming Events and Networking
28:02 - Talent.com Layoffs and Domain Investments
31:49 - Salary Cuts for White Collar Workers
38:10 - AI's Impact on Entry-Level Jobs
40:43 - Generational Perspectives on Work
47:42 - Understanding Reverse Recruiting
47:52 - The Rise of Reverse Recruiting
52:10 - AI Integration in Corporate Structures
55:48 - The Future of Executive Decision-Making with AI
58:38 - Opportunities in the AI Job Market
01:00:10 - Industry News and Trends
Shredded: Findem, Glider AI, Paraform, Deel, Ezra, Novaworks.ai, Adzuna, & More
2026/03/26
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.
Hacking Jack & Jill
2026/03/24
In this episode of "HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast," Joel and Chad sit down with Paul Price, CEO of CodeWall, to discuss a startling security demonstration involving the AI recruitment startup Jack and Jill. Price explains how his autonomous AI agents "chained" together several minor, trivial vulnerabilities to gain full access to the recruitment data of major companies like Monzo and Anthropic.
The conversation takes a futuristic turn as Price describes how his AI began socially engineering Jack and Jill's own AI voice agents, even attempting to pose as a TechCrunch journalist to extract exclusive funding details. Price warns that we have reached a dangerous "inflection point" where attackers use AI to clone voices with just ten seconds of audio to deceive employees and recruiters. With deepfakes already being used by international hackers to ace job interviews and infiltrate corporate systems, this episode serves as a sobering wake-up call for the industry to build its own AI defense armies.
Indeed Desperation & Vibe-Coder Rise
2026/03/20
The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back with another explosive episode, and this week, hosts Chad Sowash (when he's not beach-bound), Joel Cheesman, and Lieven dive headfirst into the escalating "cage match" between recruiting's two 800-pound gorillas: Indeed and LinkedIn.
Is Indeed getting desperate? The trio dissects rumors of a bold (and highly suspicious) "spend-matching" pilot program—think a direct "Pepsi Challenge" aimed at poaching market share from LinkedIn. As Chad highlights, this incentive play comes loaded with major strings attached, raising questions about long-term sustainability and whether it's a genuine innovation or a frantic defensive move in a shrinking ad-spend pie.
Meanwhile, LinkedIn isn't playing defense. They're rolling out AI-powered initial interview screening (now in early testing for Hiring Pro users), where an AI interviewer handles audio/video screens for up to 40 candidates per role.
The system generates questions based on the job description, suggests ideal answers for recruiters to tweak, and scores responses on alignment—potentially streamlining the funnel but sparking debate on whether it truly improves quality or just adds more automation noise.
The conversation gets spicy with "banana in the tailpipe" tactics (classic sabotage vibes), the real cost of Indeed’s incentives, and whether LinkedIn's automated screens will actually fix the hiring funnel—or create new bottlenecks.
They also touch on emerging trends like the rise of "vibe-coding" (AI-assisted low/no-code hacks) making ATS integrations faster and easier than ever, plus Travis Kalanick's big reveal: his long-stealth company Atoms launching fleets of specialized industrial robots for food, mining, transport, and beyond—wheeled "gainfully employed" bots, not sci-fi humanoids.
If you're in HR, recruiting, or just love watching tech titans slug it out, this episode is pure chaos and insight. Tune in for the unfiltered takes on who's winning the war for talent acquisition dollars in 2026.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Light Banter
02:48 - Chad's New Car Adventure
04:44 - European Perspectives on American Politics
07:24 - Midterm Elections and Political Climate
08:44 - Shout Outs and Industry Insights
12:34 - The Future of ATS Integrations and AI
15:11 - The Challenge of Change in HR Tools
15:59 - Vibe Coding: Revolutionizing Prototyping
17:05 - Travis Kalanick's New Venture: Industrial Robots
18:35 - The Future of Work: Robots as Employees
19:42 - The Impact of Automation on Jobs
22:45 - Upcoming RLX Retreat: AI and Hiring Discussion
23:17 - Rumors of Acquisition: Paradox's Tradify
24:32 - Indeed vs. LinkedIn: The Battle for Recruitment
30:51 - The Future of AI in Recruitment
32:56 - LinkedIn's Slow but Steady Progress
35:59 - The Rise of AI Agents and Automation
42:58 - The Future of Employment in an AI-Driven World
46:13 - Government Regulations and AI: A Double-Edged Sword
53:05 - Cybersecurity Challenges in the Age of AI
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Fhrishhxjsj 2025/10/08
Keep this at the top of your list
There are so many podcasts that promise to cut through the nonsense - and then bring the nonsense. This one lives up to the promise, with biting humor...
Matt Lavery 2024/06/19
Best Podcast in the HR space
Thank you to Chad and Joel for inviting me onto their show. They are professionals in their field, which made it easy for me as a guest. I thoroughly ...
Brooke Strauss 2024/03/01
Best “keeping it real and raw” podcast on HR!
If you’re in workplace management, this podcast is a no brainer and a must listen! Chad, Joel and their guests provide practical and valuable advice i...
JPs Ghost 2023/07/29
Bringing the heat!
Joel and Chad are great. You will learn and laugh.
PSU fan in South Carolina 2023/10/06
New working title: Socialism and Cheese
I give this podcast three out of five stars. That’s five stars for Joel. One star for Chad.
And I only give Chad one star because every once in a wh...
zbrealestate 2022/11/04
Great interviews!
Loved the episode with Hireproof’s Nick Barth!!! Enjoy the interview style from these guys
JLBMedia 2021/10/01
The Car Talk Of Talent Acquisition
Very entertaining! 🙂
Wtaz78 2021/01/17
My addiction
This is my go to podcast for everything recruiting. These guys keep it engaging, real, and hilarious.
RLaseak5 2020/09/25
Sorry I’m late
Love these guys. Been hearing about them and now I’m in, sorry I’m late. Been in TA for 26 years and seems we subscribe to a similar mantra: while I t...
pbpoet1 2020/08/26
Great interview!
Insightful conversations, and right on the mark when it comes to identifying key issues related to HR. Best ones deal with workplace culture.
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