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Switzerland offers some of the world's most beautiful train journeys, but one takes travelers beyond simply admiring the Alps from a window. Winding through some of the dramatic landscapes of the Jungfrau region, the journey aboard the Jungfrau Railway brings travelers from charming alpine villages to Jungfraujoch, the highest railway station in Europe at three thousand four hundred and fifty-four meters.

What if I told you one of America's great outdoor adventure destinations is a place better known for casinos, neon lights, and all-night entertainment? Because just beyond the Las Vegas Strip, the landscape changes fast. Red sandstone cliffs, Desert canyons. High mountain forests. And some spectacular Mojave Desert country. So forget the casinos for a minute. And what if I could give you the whole adventure plan in about five minutes? Welcome to The Las Vegas Adventure Weekend

🎙️ Episode Title The People You Meet: Adventure, Connection, and Finding Meaning in Travel with Melissa Rodway 🌍 Episode Summary In this episode, Rick sits down with traveler, author, and former radio host Melissa Rodway to explore the deeper meaning behind adventure travel. From her childhood experiences in small-town Canada and a formative year in Australia to trekking through jungles in Southeast Asia, Melissa shares how travel has shaped her perspective on life, connection, and personal growth. They dive into her Amazon bestselling memoir The People You Meet, discuss the evolution of adventure as we age, and unpack why the human connections we make on the road often matter more than the destinations themselves. 🧭 What You'll Learn in This Episode How growing up in a small town sparked Melissa's curiosity for the world Why early travel experiences can shape a lifelong sense of adventure How adventure travel evolves as we get older The importance of purpose-driven travel (hiking, cycling, paddling, etc.) Why some places feel like "home" and others don't How travel can teach you when it's time to go home The role of vulnerability and honesty in storytelling Why adventure doesn't have to be far from home ✈️ Memorable Moments A Year in Australia at Age 7 Melissa shares how living in a rainforest and traveling through Australia, New Zealand, and Bali opened her eyes to the wider world. The Power of Slow Adventure One of her most meaningful experiences wasn't extreme—it was spending five quiet weeks alone in wintery Quebec City. Jordan Surprise A trip to Jordan completely changed her expectations, highlighting the kindness and hospitality of the people. The Leeches Story (Yes, Really 😬) A jungle trek in Laos turned into a horror-movie-like experience—but also a great story later. Travel Fatigue is Real A chance encounter taught her that knowing when to end a trip is just as important as starting one. 📚 About the Book Melissa's memoir, The People You Meet, grew out of emails she wrote during a four-month trip through Southeast Asia and China. Years later, she revisited those stories, refined them, and turned them into a compelling narrative about connection, vulnerability, and the unpredictability of travel. 🎧 Key Takeaways Adventure is personal — it looks different for everyone You don't need to go far to experience meaningful adventure Travel is about people as much as places Being present is easier on the road—and addictive It's okay to slow down or stop altogether The best stories come from honesty and vulnerability 🧳 Rapid-Fire Insight Most surprising destination: Jordan Must-pack item: Sunscreen Best advice: There's no age limit on adventure—start where you are 🌄 Final Thought "Adventure is for everybody… discover what it means for you and go for it. It's a vital part of being alive." – Melissa Rodway 🔗 Connect & Learn More Melissa Rodway – Author of The People You Meet https://flyrodway.com › my-travel-stories

🔥 Episode Summary If your marketing feels busy but not effective, this episode is for you. Rick sits down with brand strategist Jessica Dodson to unpack why most founder-led brands don't actually need more marketing—they need clarity. From aligning your brand story to simplifying execution, Jessica shares how stepping back can help you move forward faster. You'll learn how to cut through the noise, focus on what really matters, and build a brand that connects with your audience in a meaningful, measurable way. 🧭 What You'll Learn Why "more marketing" often leads to wasted effort The real meaning of clarity—and how to achieve it Signs you're doing too much (and not the right things) How to align brand, messaging, and business goals A simple framework for turning vision into execution What a clear go-to-market strategy actually looks like Why community and authenticity matter more than ever The first step to take if your brand feels scattered 💡 Key Takeaways 1. Clarity beats activity More tactics don't equal better results. Clear messaging makes everything work harder. 2. Do fewer things, better Focus on 1–3 priorities instead of chasing every new idea or trend. 3. Alignment is everything Your brand story, product, marketing, and team all need to be telling the same story. 4. Stop before you start again If things feel scattered—pause, reassess, and get back to fundamentals. 5. Community is a competitive advantage In-person and authentic brand experiences create deeper connections than digital alone. Action Step Feeling overwhelmed? Bring your team together this week and ask: What do we stand for? What are we trying to achieve? What's actually working? Start the conversation—clarity begins there.  About Jessica Dodson Jessica Dodson is a brand strategist who helps purpose-driven organizations align their purpose, people, and marketing to create lasting impact. With experience across nonprofit, travel, and outdoor brands—including Eagle Creek—she specializes in bringing clarity and focus to growing teams.  Connect with Jessica LinkedIn Website: https://dodsonconsulting.co Email: [email protected]  Listen & Subscribe If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe and share it with someone building a brand in the outdoor or adventure space.

Kris King tells us all about planning a visit to Livingston and Yellowstone Episode Overview What if you could experience Yellowstone National Park without the crowds—and pair it with a vibrant arts scene, authentic local culture, and year-round adventure? In this episode, Rick sits down with Chris, Executive Director of the Livingston Business Improvement District and Explore Livingston, to uncover why Livingston, Montana, might be one of the most underrated gateway towns in the West. From its roots as a historic railroad hub to its evolution into a thriving arts community, Livingston blends outdoor adventure with creativity, culture, and small-town authenticity. Chris shares insider tips on when to visit, what to do, and how to experience the town like a local. 🧭 What You'll Learn in This Episode Why Livingston is considered the original gateway to Yellowstone How a former railroad town became a hub for artists, writers, and creatives The best times of year to visit (hint: it's NOT summer) How Livingston balances tourism growth with local quality of life Unique ways to experience the outdoors without the crowds Why "Live Like a Local" is more than just a slogan 🏞️ Top Experiences in Livingston Must-Do Outdoor Adventures Pine Creek Falls – A stunning and accessible hike with options to go deeper into the wilderness Yellowstone in Winter – Cross-country skiing, snowshoeing, and peaceful wildlife viewing Yellowstone River – Kayaking, fishing, or relaxing riverside picnics Unique Local Experiences Soak at Chico Hot Springs or Yellowstone Hot Springs Explore 12+ art galleries and multiple live theaters Catch live music at one of 12 intimate venues Attend a book reading, comedy show, or storytelling night Browse local shops—no chain stores downtown 🎨 What Makes Livingston Different? A historic railroad town with architecture that feels like an Old West movie set One of the highest writers-per-capita communities in the U.S. A thriving arts scene with: Galleries Live theater Music venues Craft workshops A strong focus on authentic, small-scale, local experiences 📅 When to Visit Best Times: Fall: Elk bugling, warm temps, fewer crowds Winter: Snow-covered landscapes, skiing in Yellowstone, hot springs under the stars Spring: Wildlife babies, blooming flowers, fewer visitors Avoid if possible: Summer – Peak crowds, limited availability, and a very different experience 🧳 Sample "Perfect Day" in Livingston Cool Season: Grab a pastry from a local bakery Head into Yellowstone for cross-country skiing Picnic lunch with local gourmet food Soak in hot springs End the day with live music or theater Warm Season: Morning kayak on the Yellowstone River Lunch (surprisingly!) at the local hospital café with an art collection Hike Myers River View Trail Visit the farmer's market or bookstore event Go dancing or catch live music at night 🌟 Key Takeaway Livingston isn't just a stop on the way to Yellowstone—it's a destination in its own right. If you want a more meaningful, less crowded, and more culturally rich Montana experience, Livingston offers the perfect blend of adventure, creativity, and community. 🌐 Plan Your Trip 👉 Website: https://explorelivingstonmt.com 📧 Email: [email protected] Explore itineraries, events, and insider tips—and even reach out directly for personalized recommendations. 🎧 Enjoying the Show? If you found value in this episode: ⭐ Leave a rating on Apple Podcasts 📲 Share it with a fellow adventure traveler 🌍 Visit https://ricksaez.com for more episodes and resources 🧭 Want to Be Featured? If you're a destination marketing leader with incredible outdoor experiences to share, Rick would love to hear from you. 📩 Reach out: [email protected]

Josh Sprague, founder of Orange Mud, joins Rick to share how a simple frustration on the trail turned into a successful outdoor gear brand. Drawing on his manufacturing background, Josh breaks down what it takes to design durable products, scale production, and compete in a crowded market. They also discuss hard lessons from supply chain disruptions, the importance of systems and customer education, and why most product ideas fail. Plus, how endurance sports like trail running shape resilience in business. A must-listen for founders, creators, and outdoor industry professionals.

Kevin Paulson talks about Outdoor Story Telling, Tradeshows, Hunting, and more Episode Summary Kevin Paulson joins Rick Saez to talk about growing up in a U.S. Forest Service family, how hunting shaped his life, and the path that led him from guiding and outfitting to founding HuntingLife.com and later stepping into the role of Executive Director at AGLOW Outdoors. Kevin breaks down what "authentic" outdoor media really means today, why podcasting is exploding, how AI will challenge creators, and why every creator needs to start building an email list now. He also shares how AGLOW conferences and media camps work, why networking is everything, and what gear he's most excited to test this year. In This Episode, You'll Hear Kevin's upbringing around public lands and the Forest Service (and how it shaped his values) Hunting "in his dad's hip pocket" starting at age five Why he launched HuntingLife.com (and how the 2007–2009 economy forced a pivot) What AGLOW is, why it matters, and how it evolved from local newspaper columns to modern creators Why authenticity + trust beats "information" (especially in an AI-driven content world) The biggest threat in outdoor media: AI "slop content" and the fight for attention The most underrated asset: your email list Why niche audiences ("100 true fans") often beat massive reach Kevin's "year of the coyote" and what predator control looks like on working ranch land OutdoorHive.com: a job resource built specifically for the hook-and-bullet + trade show industry Gear, books, and advice for new outdoor communicators Memorable Quotes "Connection and authenticity—at the end of the day—that's what wins." "It's more important to have an audience of a hundred that loves you than a hundred thousand that may or may not pay attention." "Begin tomorrow… building your own mailing list." "Proximity is power—be in the room with the people doing the things." Resources & Links Mentioned HuntingLife.com OutdoorHive.com: AAGLOW Organizations mentioned: Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, RMEF, Ducks Unlimited, NWTF, SCI, POMA, OWAA Books Kevin mentioned: The Old Man and the Sea (Hemingway) A Sand County Almanac (Aldo Leopold) Peter Ryan titles, including The Hunting Life and Wild South (as referenced in the interview) About Kevin Paulson Kevin Paulson is a lifelong outdoorsman, entrepreneur, and advocate for hunting and conservation. He's the founder of HuntingLife.com, creator of OutdoorHive.com, and serves as the Executive Director of AGLOW Outdoors, one of the oldest hook-and-bullet media organizations in the industry. Connect with Kevin Social: @HuntingLife (most platforms) Kevin Paulson LinkedIn  Email: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Sponsor / Partner With the Show Hey there, adventure crew—want to reach 4,000+ outdoor lovers each week? Promote your brand, product, destination, or project to an audience of campers, hikers, and adventure travelers. Email Rick: [email protected] Facebook   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe, rate, review, and share! I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: [email protected]

You deserve an unforgettable Moroccan adventure. Today I'm talking with Azdean Elmoustaqiim from Destinations Morocco, your guide to a seamless and authentic tour.  Show Notes In our latest podcast episode, Speaker A sat down with Azzedine Elamustakim from Destinations Morocco for a journey through the magic of Morocco. If you're dreaming of vibrant souks, sweeping deserts, epic mountain climbs, and unique cultural experiences, this episode is a must-listen! Here are the key takeaways and tips for your next adventure—plus some behind-the-scenes insights you won't want to miss. Featured Guest: Azdean Elmoustaqiim Born and raised in Marrakesh, Azdean is passionate about helping travelers experience Morocco like a local. Destinations Morocco customizes trips for all travelers, with a special focus on women-led groups and families. Top Adventure Highlight: The Moroccan Desert The desert—especially Merzouga—is a life-changing experience. From caravan rides to luxury camps, it's more than just a one-night stop! Explore fossil mountains, visit nomadic villages, and dive into Gnawa music traditions. Travel Tips from the Show For your first visit: Spend a day in Fes if you're short on time—walk winding car-free streets and travel through centuries in just a few blocks. Active adventures: Morocco has it all—deserts, mountains (hello, Mount Toubkal at 13,000 ft!), and coastlines. Plan your itinerary wisely; sometimes it's better to split north and south. Culture-mixing made easy: Embrace cooking classes, tasting tours, and local market strolls for a real taste of Morocco. Pacing matters: Avoid jam-packed schedules. Leave room for spontaneous moments and downtime! Best Time to Visit Spring (March to June) and Fall (September to November) are ideal for outdoor adventure—pleasant weather, fewer crowds. Cultural Tips Be mindful in rural areas: Ask before taking photos, avoid handshakes with women unless invited, and consider wearing local clothing to blend in and connect. Morocco's diversity means you'll rarely feel out of place; just come with openness and respect. Food to Try: Don't miss the roasted chicken with preserved lemon and green olives—Azzedine's favorite after a long day out! Safety & Language Morocco is safe, welcoming, and multilingual. Don't hesitate to hire a guide for your first visit—they can make all the difference. Connect & Plan Your Adventure Find Destinations Morocco at destinationsmorocco.com to book a discovery call, or tune in to their podcast for more inspiration and tips. Facebook   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe,  rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter  HERE I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: [email protected] Don't Miss Out! Be sure to check out the full episode for even more travel stories, practical advice, and insider secrets from Rick and Azdean, And as always, if you found the discussion helpful, leave us a rating on Apple Podcasts and share with a friend! Happy adventuring, The Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast Team

In this episode, Rick sits down with Paul Gagner, an outdoor industry veteran and co-owner of Dreamland Safari Tours. Paul's four-decade career spans retail, sales rep life, and leadership roles at iconic outdoor brands, and his current work is helping guide the reimagined Outdoor Retailer show. Show Notes Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast — Episode 543 Paul Gagner: Reimagining Outdoor Retailer, Leading With Integrity, and Building Dreamland Safari Tours in Kanab, Utah Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast—where we share inspiring stories, thrilling adventures, and expert insights from leaders and legends across the outdoor adventure travel community. In this episode, Rick sits down with Paul Gagner (outdoor industry veteran + co-owner of Dreamland Safari Tours in Kanab, Utah Dreamland Safari Tours). Paul's four-decade career spans retail, sales rep life, and leadership roles at iconic outdoor brands—plus his current work helping guide the reimagined Outdoor Retailer show headed to Minneapolis, August 19–21, 2026. Outdoor Retailer Episode highlights Outdoor Retailer "tribe energy": why the show has always felt like a high-school reunion—and why outdoor is different than other industries (shared passion, not backstabbing). Long-view leadership: Paul's core values—integrity, listening, collaboration, and innovation—and how they apply across retail, brand, and rep roles. Dreamland Safari Tours: buying a guide business right before COVID, shutting down 10 days later, then having one of the best years in the company's history after reopening. Why Minneapolis: "the outdoors is woven into the city"—lakes, trails, paths, and a vibrant outdoor economy surrounding the convention center. Star Tribune Leadership Village: creating a space for diverse voices, spirited debate, and actionable outcomes (not just conference "talk"). Outdoor Retailer New + Discovery focus: elevating emerging brands and the retail experience (including collaboration with Garage Grown Gear). Outdoor Retailer Experience-first mornings: the idea of protecting time for trail runs/paddles before the show floor opens—so attendees walk in energized and connected to the why. Favorite gear: Paul's go-to piece—his Hyperlite Mountain Gear Summit Pack—and the bigger lesson: simplicity wins. About Paul Gagner Paul Gagner is a veteran outdoor industry leader and the co-owner (with his wife, Sunny Stroeer) of Dreamland Safari Tours, based in Kanab, Utah. Dreamland Safari Tours Their company offers hiking, backpacking, scenic tours, and astrophotography experiences/workshops in the desert Southwest. Dreamland Safari Tours   Paul also co-leads the Outdoor Retailer Leadership Village—a stakeholder-led initiative shaping the reimagined national show in Minneapolis. Outdoor Retailer What you'll take away from this conversation Why trust is the real currency of outdoor retail + brand partnerships How "innovation" doesn't have to mean reinventing everything—it can mean relentlessly improving what matters Why outdoor businesses (and trade shows) need to deliver actionable ideas people can take home and use immediately How guide businesses can thrive when they focus on transformation: getting people outside and watching what happens next Links & resources Dreamland Safari Tours (Kanab, UT) Dreamland Safari Tours Dreamland Safari Tours — About Paul + Sunny Dreamland Safari Tours Dreamland Safari Tours — Intro to Astrophotography Workshop Dreamland Safari Tours Outdoor Retailer — Official site + 2026 Minneapolis dates (Aug 19–21, 2026) Outdoor Retailer Outdoor Retailer — Leadership Village + Garage Grown Gear collaboration announcement

In this episode, Rick Saez sits down with Maren Hamilton, an outdoor industry marketing expert known for helping iconic brands like The North Face build communities that genuinely connect — not just "engage." Show Notes Maren is a SHORTY Award winner, an Oregon Outdoor Alliance board member, and the founder of Outdoor Industry Coffee and Coworking. She's also led social strategy at brands like Starbucks and The North Face, and today she's helping outdoor brands and creators thrive through her work at Popfly. From the early days of Instagram and Starbucks' viral Pink Drink, to flying a helicopter to deliver a replacement rain jacket in New Zealand, Maren shares what it really takes to be a social-first brand — and why community management is one of the most overlooked growth opportunities in outdoor marketing. In This Episode, You'll Learn How Maren broke into the outdoor industry and landed at The North Face What the early days of social media marketing looked like inside Starbucks corporate How "social listening" helped inspire what became the Starbucks Pink Drink What it means to be a social-first brand (and not just treat social like another channel) Why community management is the most underrated growth lever for outdoor brands How The North Face pulled off a real-time viral moment with a helicopter jacket delivery How Maren thinks about balancing brand integrity with clickable content What makes a strong creator or athlete partnership — and what red flags to avoid The biggest challenges marketers are navigating right now (AI, creators, and trust) Why representation and inclusion still matter — even when the world gets louder Advice for smaller outdoor brands trying to make a real impact without a huge budget 🌲 Memorable Moments & Stories ⭐ From "Internet-Obsessed Kid" to Social Strategy Leader Maren shares how her love of the internet started early—teaching herself how to customize early social profiles—and how that curiosity turned into a career in digital marketing. ☕ The Starbucks "Pink Drink" Origin Story Before it became a menu staple, the Pink Drink was simply a customer-created hack that went viral. Maren explains how their team spotted it through early "manual social listening," engaged the creator, and helped turn it into a cultural moment. 🧥 The North Face Helicopter Jacket Story One of the wildest stories in the episode: a customer's waterproof jacket failed mid-hike in New Zealand… and she demanded a replacement delivered to the trail. Maren and her team made it happen — using real-time social, an athlete partner, and a helicopter. And the best part? The North Face CMO signed off with one simple message: "Go have fun." Follow up with Maren: Instagram  LinkedIn  Popfly  Outdoor Industry Coffee and Coworking   .

Welcome to episode 541 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. A Holiday conversation about podcasting with Howard Fox and Emanuel Rose.   Facebook   Twitter   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe,  rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter  HERE I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here:  [email protected] Show Notes Howard Fox https://www.outdooradventureseries.com/ Emanuel Rose https://emanuelrose.com/ #Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, #adventure travel, #outdoor adventures, #podcasting, #Outdoor Writers Association of America, #OWAA, #outdooradventureseries, #emanuelrose.com

Welcome to episode 540 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. A Holiday Replay of episode 495 with Will Schafer. Will is the Founder of Altisnooze, The Sleep Aid for High-Altitude. This week, on episode 495, I'm talking with Will Schafer, founder of ALTISNOOZE. The First-of-its-kind sleep aid for high-altitude. After struggling for years with sleeping during alpine adventures, Schafer came to learn from a sleep doctor that altitude insomnia is a thing. He connected with formulation experts to develop a natural solution, ALTISNOOZE. Facebook   Twitter   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe,  rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter  HERE I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here:  [email protected] What Happened: For years, I chalked up my awful sleep in the mountains to bad luck. Every time I went to Summit County, Colorado, my nights were a mess—staring at the ceiling, waking up feeling like I'd been run over by a snowcat, and then trying to enjoy the outdoors while running on fumes. I blamed it on travel, excitement, bad pillows—you name it. But then I started noticing something weird. Friends on ski trips and camping adventures were having the same problem. Some of them, tough-as-nails hikers and backcountry warriors, were walking around like zombies after a single night at altitude. That's when I met Dr. Michael Breus, a legit sleep doctor, who hit me with a truth bomb: altitude insomnia is real. And worse? It affects up to 75% of people. Your body's struggling with low oxygen, which wrecks your sleep cycle, making it nearly impossible to rest. So, I set out on a mission to fix it. After a deep dive into research, testing a ridiculous amount of natural ingredients, and countless sleepless nights (for science), I created Altisnooze—a sleep aid designed specifically for high-altitude adventures, without the grogginess of melatonin. Principle: Bad sleep = bad adventure. Period. You can have the best gear, the most epic trail planned, and a perfect sunrise waiting for you—but if you don't sleep well, your trip is going to suck. Most people don't even realize altitude is the issue. They just assume they're bad sleepers, or that their body needs to "adjust." But waiting around for a week to acclimate? Not ideal when your trip is only a few days long. Good sleep isn't just about comfort—it's about performance, recovery, and actually enjoying the adventure you planned. Transition: A lot of outdoor lovers deal with this and don't even realize what's holding them back. They push through exhaustion, drink too much caffeine, or try to knock themselves out with melatonin—only to wake up feeling worse. That's exactly why I created Altasnooze. Because when you finally fix your sleep at altitude, everything changes—your energy, your performance, your mood, and most importantly, how much fun you have. That's Why: …we want to introduce you to Altisnooze and just dropped an episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast with Will Schaefer, founder of Altisnooze. He went from being a sleep-deprived mess in the mountains to developing a game-changing solution for adventurers who want to feel fabulous at altitude. In this episode, we dive into the science of altitude insomnia, how it messes with your body, and what you can do to fix it—so your next high-altitude trip doesn't turn into a sleepless disaster. Call to Action: If you've ever struggled to sleep in the mountains, this episode is your wake-up call. (Pun intended.) Don't let altitude ruin your adventure—get the inside scoop on fixing your sleep at high elevation and feeling your best. 🎧 Listen to the latest episode now → Podcast Link P.S. Want to try Altasnooze? Will's giving our listeners 20% off! Just use code OutdoorBiz20 at checkout. Because better sleep = better adventures.   Show Notes Will Schafer ALTISNOOZE Dr. Michael Breus #Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, #altitude insomnia, #AltiSnooze, #high altitude sleep aid, #altitude sickness, #sleep doctor, #Michael Breus, #adventure travel, #melatonin-free, #sleep disturbance, #alpinists, #electrolytes, #high altitude adventures, #natural supplements, #altitude symptoms

Welcome to episode 538 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. A Holiday Replay of episode 501 with Earl Hunter. Earl is a motivational speaker and founder of The Unity Folks™. Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Today, on episode 501, Earl B. Hunter, Jr. from Black Folks Camp To make a second visit to The Show. is the Founder and President of Black Folks Camp Too — a marketing-driven business whose mission is to increase diversity in the outdoor industry by making it easier, more interesting, and more fun for Folks to go camping. He's an experienced business leader across multiple industries. He has been widely recognized for his ebullient personality, hard work ethic, and non-traditional approach to building relationships and closing deals. Facebook   Twitter   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe,  rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter  HERE I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here:  [email protected] What Happened: It was the summer of 2017. I was clocking miles like a long-haul trucker, repping campers for a living. My 7-year-old son called me out—said I'd promised to take him to Mount Rushmore. He was right. I'd driven past it more times than I could count, but I'd never stopped. So we hit the road. We camped our way across the country, father and son, a Black duo in a tiny pop-up trailer, parking it beside some seriously decked-out RV setups. We saw the sights, roasted marshmallows, and somewhere near Albuquerque, we spotted something we hadn't seen in thousands of miles: another Black family camping. My son lit up and said, "Hey Daddy! Black people!" That moment stuck. We talked to the family—Kimberly and crew—and she said something that flipped a switch in my brain: "Why don't you change that then?" That "why not you?" hit hard. By the time we were driving up the California coast, the name Black Folks Camp Too was born. Principle: Too often, we wait for permission—permission to belong, to show up, to start something meaningful. But sometimes, it takes seeing the gap with your own eyes, feeling the silence in certain spaces, to realize: you're the one who's supposed to fill it. And in business, just like in the outdoors, if you're only serving the same people the same way… you're gonna miss the fire. The campfire, that is. Transition: Most people think getting more folks into the outdoors is about better gear or cool photos on Instagram. But that's not it. The real challenge is the invitation—and the welcome. And too many companies still don't know why the diversity gap exists, so they don't know how to fix it. That's why a lot of businesses are struggling. Not because there's no market—but because they don't see who they're ignoring. And even when they do? They get hung up on the word Black in the name… instead of focusing on the unity behind the mission. That's why: That's why this episode matters. Earl Hunter isn't just talking about camping—he's talking about culture, connection, and cracking open an industry that's been too exclusive for too long. He's not asking for handouts or kumbayas. He's showing up with data, vision, and a real plan to shift the outdoor industry before it goes broke. Call to Action (PAS style): If you've ever felt like the outdoor world wasn't built for you—or your brand's been stuck serving the same crowd—it's time to tune in. Ignoring the invitation problem won't fix it. But this episode will give you a fresh lens and a fire to take action.  Hit play now. Let's change the campfire conversation. Show Notes: Earl Hunter Black Folks Camp Too Oboz Insoles Sylvansport  Georgia Military College  Appalachian State University Earl's Trail name:  Icebreaker  Mount Rushmore  Unity Blaze  Favorite piece of outdoor gear: OBOZ Insoles Favorite book:  The Billion Dollar Bet,  Bob Johnson Advice:  the first advice I would give folks is, is to go to our unity, go to black folks camp too, and go to our Unity blaze map and find campgrounds that are on our map that are actually there. Those folks are truly invited and welcoming you to camp at their campground. I would also say to know before you go. Do as much research as you can. You have these devices now, and you have so many YouTube channels and things of that nature to learn about camping. Follow up with Earl: [email protected] Black Folks Camp Too Thank you for joining us on another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Be sure to visit our website, rick saes.com. You'll find show notes and links to everything we talked about and more. And while you're at it, if you found value in this show, give us a rating on Apple Podcast or spread the word and tell a friend. That would really help us out too. We should tune in every week. Thanks again for listening to the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. #Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, #Black Folks Camp Too, #Earl Hunter, #diversity in the outdoors, #Appalachian State, #Unity Blaze, #outdoor industry, #inclusion, #Unity Blaze partners, #outdoor community, #backpacking, #state parks, #Oboz Footwear, #Spacious Skies Campgrounds, #outdoor lifestyle, #RV camping, #outdoor participation, #unity in outdoors, #generational transfer, #environmental stewardship.

Welcome to episode 539 of the Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast. Today, on this replay episode, I'm talking with Casey Hanisko. Casey is a distinguished leader in adventure travel. She's the former President of the Adventure Travel Trade Association and an executive coach helping tourism leaders navigate change. Recognized among the "50 Most Important Women in Travel," she shares her expertise through media, speaking engagements, and her "Leading Naturally" newsletter. Show Notes Casey Hanisko Linkedin Guest Focus Instagram Adventure Travel Trade Association The Leap That Terrified Me More Than Any Business Decision (And What It Taught Me About Leadership) Ever stood at the edge of something terrifying—knowing the only way forward is to leap, but every cell in your body is screaming, Nope? That was me on a canyon swing in Interlaken. Spoiler: I needed a push. You think making high-stakes decisions in business is tough? Try standing on the edge of a 300-foot drop, debating whether plummeting into the abyss is a good idea. There's a moment in adventure—and in leadership—where hesitation creeps in. Your palms sweat. Your mind races. And sometimes, you need someone to give you that push. What Happened: I'd like to think I'm pretty fearless. I've hiked, biked, and paddled my way through some of the world's most stunning (and challenging) landscapes. But nothing—not rock climbing, not waterfall jumping, not even running a business—prepared me for the sheer terror of standing on the edge of a canyon swing in Interlaken. Picture this: I'm perched on the platform, strapped in, heart pounding. My entire executive team—yes, the people I work with—are watching. The guy running the swing looks at me and asks, "Need a push?" ABSOLUTELY NOT! I sit there for two full minutes, locked in a battle with my own fear. Every rational thought in my brain says, Just do it. But my body? Oh, my body says, Are you out of your mind?! Then, the guy places a hand on my back. Just enough pressure to remind me: I either take the leap myself, or I'm going anyway. And that was it. I went. Terrified. Screaming. And, once I hit the swing… laughing. Principle: That moment on the canyon swing? It's leadership in a nutshell. Leadership requires courage. Sometimes, you're at the edge of a big decision, knowing you need to move—but fear holds you back. Sometimes, you need support. That guiding hand (or well-placed nudge) from someone who sees your potential, even when you doubt yourself. And often, the thing you dread most? Turns out to be the most exhilarating experience of your life. Whether it's taking the leap into a leadership role, starting that business, or stepping into unknown territory—you're going to feel fear. That's normal. The key is to recognize it, hold it, and move forward anyway. Transition: The problem is, most people let fear stop them. They overthink. They hesitate. They tell themselves they need more time, more preparation, more certainty. But here's the truth: the perfect moment? It doesn't exist. Too many outdoor entrepreneurs and leaders stall out waiting for the "right time" to make their next move—whether that's scaling a business, stepping into leadership, or launching that dream trip. That's Why: That's why, in this episode of The Outdoor Adventure Lifestyle Podcast, I sat down with Casey Esco—executive coach, adventure leader, and all-around expert on navigating uncertainty in business and the outdoors. She shares exactly how adventure can teach us to embrace risk, push through hesitation, and build the courage to lead (even when you're scared out of your mind). Call to Action: If fear has ever held you back from making a move—whether in your career, your business, or even your next adventure—you need to hear this episode. Because courage isn't about being fearless, it's about taking the leap anyway. #Outdoor Adventure, #Podcast, #Adventure Travel, #Leadership, #Coaching, #Outdoor Activities, #Nature, #Curiosity, #Camping, #Hiking, #Strategic Planning, #Storytelling, #Diversity, #Women Leaders, #Inclusivity, #Nature Inspired Coaching, #Outdoor Brands, #Business Strategy, #Personal Growth, #Passion, #Wellness, #Travel Experiences, #Adventure Community, #Outdoor Lifestyle, #Networking, #Conservation, #Adventure Stories

Today on episode 537, I'm speaking with Heather Physioc. Heather is a speaker, educator, trainer, and globally recognized leader in discoverability. Heather and I are both members of the Outdoor Writers Association. Hey Heather, welcome to the show. Today, Rick talks with Heather Physioc.  Heather is a speaker, educator, trainer, and globally recognized leader in discoverability. Facebook   Twitter   Instagram Love the show? Subscribe,  rate, review, and share! Sign up for my Newsletter  HERE I'd love to hear your feedback about the show! You can contact me here: [email protected] Show Notes WHAT HAPPENED: Ever planned the trip of a lifetime… only to have your wallet vanish before the adventure even begins? Yeah. That was me. I was in Peru, fresh off a 40-hour journey, jetlagged, under-caffeinated, and apparently running on "let's misplace everything" mode. Somewhere between airport security and the Lima coffee line, my wallet poofed into thin air. Great start to a solo trip through the Andes, right? But here's the wild part — losing that wallet wasn't the disaster it felt like. It became the perfect kick-in-the-hiking-boots reminder that adaptability isn't just an outdoor skill — it's a life skill. That week, I slept in tents outside of homes where I didn't speak the language, ate potatoes dug straight from the dirt, and learned how "risk" and "reward" share the same trail. PRINCIPLE: What I learned — or remembered — was this: the outdoors doesn't wait for your plans to be perfect. And neither does life. You don't need permission, pristine conditions, or even a full wallet to step into something bigger than your comfort zone. You just need to go. And trust that you'll figure it out as you go. TRANSITION: But here's where most of us get stuck — not because we lack the gear or the desire, but because we've been trained to wait for the right moment. The right job title. The right guide. The right, whatever. And in that waiting, we lose the chance to hear what nature — and our own gut — is trying to say. THAT'S WHY: That's why I had Heather on the podcast. Because she gets it, she's blended a high-level marketing career with nature photography, conservation storytelling, and a serious dose of wild adventure. She talks about everything from leadership lessons in the backcountry to how observing owls in the city can rewire your creative brain. If you've ever wondered whether the outdoors can really shift your mindset, your leadership style, or even your career — this episode is for you. CALL TO ACTION: Feeling stuck in the scroll, burned out from the noise, and unsure where to begin? That's your sign. Stop waiting. Start small. And listen to this episode. It might just be the nudge your nervous system — and your soul — has been craving. Follow up with Heather on her website: Heather Physioc, Speaker & Trainer 🎧 Listen here.