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Genesis Owusu is one of Australia's most thrilling new artists. Born Kofi Owusu-Ansah, he immigrated to Canberra with his family when he was just two years old. Almost immediately he felt like an odd one out. And he used that feeling to get weird. 20 odd years later, his music, visuals, and storytelling has resonated with millions. He's won the ARIA for Album of the Year twice (first for Smiling with No Teeth in 2021, and then with Struggler in 2023), and leads the nominations again this year for his third album, Redstar Wu & the Worldwide Scourge. All across the world people sing his praises. Barack Obama has a Genesis song on his summer playlist ('Gold Chains'). And he's done it all, his way. Genesis Owusu's song choices:  Cibo Matto - 'Birthday Cake'N.E.R.D. - 'Rock Star'Lupe Fiasco - 'American Terrorist [Ft. Matthew Santos]'Prince - 'All the Critics Love U in New York'Tyler, The Creator - 'I Think'00:00 Introduction: From Ghana to ARIA Award-Winning Musician 00:25 "Strap in for a Conversation Where You Could Frame Just About Every Sentence" 00:33 Born Kofi Owusu-Ansah: Immigrating to Canberra at Two Years Old 00:49 "20-Odd Years Later, His Music, Visuals, and Storytelling Has Resonated With Millions" 01:10 Barack Obama Has a Genesis Song on His Summer Playlist 01:20 "It's a Pretty Big Call to Give a 28-Year-Old Artist the Theme of Evolution" 01:45 Extended Podcast Edit: The First Video Game Play to Make It Into a Take 5 02:06 Kofi's Drive and Self-Belief: Going Back to Early Days in Canberra 02:07 "I Was Born Into a Family of Music Appreciators, Not Music Technicians" 02:17 Immigrating From Ghana: Ghanaian Highlife Music and "Sizzling Jollof on the Stove" 02:32 Mom the Gospel Choir Leader: "Her World Was Gospel" 02:39 "She's a Good Singer, Right? Runs in the Family" 02:45 Older Brother's World: Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine, Nirvana 02:54 Dad Buying Random Records "Just 'Cause It Looked Fun": Saturday Cleaning Days 03:08 "One Weekend Was Missy Elliott, Then the Next Weekend Was Missy Higgins" 03:22 The Youngest in the Family: "The Converging Point for All of Those Different Worlds" 03:27 "This Feels Like a Whole Bunch of River Systems All Guiding to One Spot" 03:42 "My First Experience of Art Was an Amalgamation From All Sides" 04:01 "It's a Language. That's What I Use It For. I Use It to Communicate" 04:22 "The Emotions I Want to Elicit Sometimes Can't Be Described Through Words" 04:48 First Song: Cibo Matto, 'Birthday Cake' 04:56 "A Wild Song to Hear When You're Five Years Old" 05:03 "So Much of My Life and Artistry Comes From Fusion" 05:15 The Biggest Creative Influence: Jet Set Radio Future on the Original Xbox 05:18 Rollerblading Graffiti Artists in Neo Tokyo: "The Last Bastion of Resistance" 05:48 Soundtracked by a Pirate Radio Station: DJ Professor K 06:04 "I Turned on the Game, and It Was Like a Gust of Wind That Blew All My Hair Back" 06:28 "It's Super Abrasive and a Bit Ugly. It Taught Me That Ugly Was Also to Be Appreciated" 06:41 "20 Years Later, the First Song on Each of My Albums Is Always the Most Abrasive" 06:55 "Mutually Assured Destruction": The Opening Track Gauntlet 07:06 Pirate Radio: The First Song on His New Album Comes From This Game 07:15 "The Biggest Creative Influence in My Life": Music, Visuals, and Themes in One Pandora's Box 07:45 "In the Same Way My Parents' Different Worlds Created My World" 08:08 "All These Different Puzzle Pieces Laid Bare... to Create What Will Eventually Become Genesis Owusu" 08:53 "So Many of My First Musical Experiences Were Heraldied From This Original Chunky Xbox" 09:05 Burning CDs and Saving Music to the Xbox: "Crazy Frog Went Platinum on That Xbox" 09:22 First Ever Favorite Song: 'Gravel Pit' by Wu Tang Clan 09:38 "10 Years Later I Actually Realized That Was Wu Tang Clan" 09:47 First Time Hearing the Rolling Stones Was From Guitar Hero 09:53 "It's How Music Transports Itself Through the Generations" 09:58 "You Were Two When You Immigrated to Australia From Ghana" 10:01 Why Canberra? "The Only Person They Knew in Australia Was My Dad's Sister" 10:06 "Five Kids in a Four Bedroom, Then We Crashed With Them as Well for a Few Months" 10:31 "Were You Aware of the Sacrifice They'd Made?" 10:39 "I Grew Up Slowly Recognizing More and More What That Sacrifice Actually Meant" 10:49 Driving Past the Childhood Apartment: "So Much Smaller Than I Remembered" 11:11 "Seeing Where We Started and What My Parents Toiled to Give Me and My Brother" 11:34 Second Song: N.E.R.D., 'Rock Star' 11:44 "The Puzzle Pieces Were Starting to Be Laid in Front of Me, but There Was Still the Task of Putting Them Together" 12:02 "Who Am I? What's My Identity?" 12:05 Watching Rage: "My Introduction to N.E.R.D and Pharrell. They Presented a New Archetype" 12:19 "I Was in Primary School. Me and My Brother Were the Only Black Kids in the School" 12:31 "Very White Space, Very White School, Very White City" 12:43 "Two Completely Different People Meeting for the First Time" 12:51 "A Cultural Idea of What Black People Were Supposed to Be" 13:01 "Two Choices: Eddie Murphy Funny Man or 50 Cent Gangster" 13:09 "The Novelty or the Threat. Neither Captured the Complexity of What a Human Being Is" 13:13 The N.E.R.D Video: "The First Time I Saw Puzzle Pieces Start to Connect" 13:20 "Cool as Hell Black Guy, but Still Kind of Baby Face" 13:37 Skaters, Guitars, Hip Hop Bravado, Bape Fashion: "Everything Coming Together" 13:59 "Started the Formulation of My First Semblance of... Maybe My Identity Can Be More Complex" 14:17 "Pharrell Standing Out the Front of N.E.R.D Saying 'Look at Me, I'm a Rock Star'" 14:31 "Individuality Is the Winning Part of This" 14:36 "Did You Feel Before That Your Individuality Was a Blessing or a Curse?" 14:41 "I Felt I Was Presented the Opportunity to Either Lean Into Being the Outsider or Assimilate" 15:10 "Why Am I Even Trying to Fit Into a Mold That Is Not What I Am?" 15:17 "I Immediately Just Tried to Lean Into the Outsider Role. I Didn't Know What That Looked Like" 15:25 "The Music of N.E.R.D Made It a Bit More Clear as to What That Could Look Like" 15:35 "Once Again, an Amalgamation. Everything Is a Fusion" 15:39 "It Feels Like This Must've Been a Real Light Bulb Moment" 15:43 "Definitely. Everything Makes Sense Now. 'Oh, This Exists. You Can Be That.'" 15:57 "Especially in the Context of Blackness. Breaking of a Barrier That Someone Else Had Put Around Us" 16:10 "The Breaking of Barriers Transcends Through My Art and My Identity" 16:15 "No, You Cannot Tell Me Who I'm Supposed to Be or What I'm Supposed to Sound Like" 16:21 "If Anything, I'll Do What I Do Out of Spite Just Because You've Told Me I Can't" 16:25 "That's a Lot of Confidence for a Little Kid to Have" 16:35 "I Don't Know Where That Came From" 16:43 "I Just Began Self-Actualization So Early, Because It Was So Clear That I Was Not Like the Others" 16:56 "When You Are Inside the In Group, You Don't Necessarily Have to Think About Who You Are" 17:03 "The Difference Was So Stark, the Journey of Self-Actualization Started a Lot Earlier" 17:18 "How Old Were You?" Between Year Two and Year Five 17:35 "What Was School Like?" "They Were Fun. They Were Cool." 17:41 "I Hear You Were School Captain" in Year Nine and SRC in Primary School 17:49 "This Confidence Is Carrying Over to Everything You're Doing" 17:53 "There Was Almost a Playfulness in the Misconceptions" 18:01 "You're From Africa. Did You Have Monkeys at Your House?" "Yeah, I Got So Many Monkeys, Man" 18:14 "I Would Play With It a Lot" 18:19 "What Else Can You Do When Someone Is So Ignorant About the Nation You've Come From?" 18:24 "There Is a Response of Frustration and Anger That Is Valid, and I Wasn't Immune From That" 18:38 "I've Always Been a Bit Playful With My Surroundings" 18:45 "Everything I'm Saying at Eight Years Old, I'm Also Still Hearing in My Music at Age 28" 18:58 "There's Still a Playfulness With How I Interact With My Environment and the Sounds I Choose" 19:08 "It Stems From Self-Actualization and Being Able to Interact With Stimuli Like N.E.R.D at Such a Young Age" 19:38 N.E.R.D: "You Think That You Don't Have to Ever Quit" 19:59 "At What Point Did You Start Thinking About Being a Rockstar?" 20:06 "There Was This Huge Tree in the Middle of the Oval. Pretty Sure It Was 200 Years Old" 20:21 "A Reoccurring Dream: Up in the Branches With a Drum Kit, Guitar, and Earpiece Microphone" 20:28 "Playing Drums With My Feet and Guitar With My Hands, a Concert to All the School Kids" 20:40 "A Reoccurring Dream I'd Have for a Few Years" 20:47 "I Never Knew the Exact Answer, but I Knew I Was Gonna Do Some Crazy Shit" 20:59 "I Don't Know What It's Gonna Be, but It's Gonna Be Something Really F*****g Crazy" 21:06 "That Was the First Semblance of Maybe I'll Be a Rock Star" 21:09 "Have You Ever Played a Gig in a Tree?" "Not in a Tree" 21:14 "Well, You Gotta Make That Dream Come True" 21:17 "I've Played a Gig in a Castle, a Prison, an Airfield" 21:25 "That One-Man Band Up a Tree, This Is What I Wanna See" 21:30 "That's Like the Final Form. Full Circle" 21:34 "Can You Remember the First Time You Ever Rapped Over a Beat?" 21:41 "Before I Started Making Music, My Brother Was Already Making Music" 21:45 "He Was in His Rock Era, Then Transitioned to Hip-Hop" 21:57 "Everyone Assumed I'd Follow in My Older Brother's Footsteps, so I Actually Pushed Back" 22:01 "Nah, F**k That. I'm Gonna Do My Own Thing" 22:10 "I Was Already Writing Short Stories, Then That Transitioned to Poetry" 22:17 "My Brother Saw the Vision. He Was Basically Begging Me to Start Rapping" 22:29 "He Turned Our Family Computer Room Into His Personal Studio" 22:37 "Already Inviting Kids From the Neighborhood to Come and Record. It Was Pretty Much Inescapable" 22:39 "He Gave Me This S****y Little MP3 Player That Could Hold About 60 Songs" 22:50 "In a Public Bathroom, One of His Beats Came on on Shuffle, and I Started Writing My First Verse" 22:58 "Good Reverb in a Public Toilet" 23:13

Lainey Wilson is a force of nature. Raised in the tiny farming town of Baskin, Louisiana (population 170) she grew up between corn fields and country radio, where music wasn't a genre but a way of life. From writing her first song at nine years old to hauling a camper trailer to Nashville at 19, her path to becoming one of country music's biggest stars was anything but overnight. It took a decade of hustle, a Hannah Montana wig, and an unshakable belief that if she could just get one opportunity, she could do the rest. Now she's selling out arenas across the world, winning back-to-back CMA Entertainer of the Year awards, starring in Yellowstone, and counting Dolly Parton as a friend who called her "sister." Through it all, her southern charm and small-town values remain her compass; ride horses, sit on the front porch with your dogs, and never forget who you are. This episode was filmed for Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe. Lainey was warm, funny, and generous in sharing her extraordinary journey across five songs. The theme that emerged was clear: staying grounded is a choice you make every day, and being yourself is the bravest thing you can do. Lainey Wilson's song choices:  Mel McDaniel - 'Louisiana Saturday Night'Lee Ann Womack - 'I Hope You Dance'CCR - 'Lookin' Out My Back Door'Brothers Osborne - 'I'm Not For Everyone'Tim McGraw - 'Humble and Kind'00:00 Introduction: "If Dolly Parton Believes in Me, Then I'm Fine" 00:24 From Yellowstone to CMA Entertainer of the Year: "Cowgirl of the Night" 00:52 "If You Tell All Your Business, You Ain't Got None": Lainey's Daddy's Wisdom 01:06 Filming Take 5: Songs That Keep Her Grounded 01:26 Growing Up in Baskin: Music as a Lifeline to the Outside World 01:48 "I Wanna Make People Feel That Way": The Power of a Three-and-a-Half Minute Song 01:55 Where Did Your Passion Come From? Daddy's Guitar, Mama Singing in Church 02:22 "Country Wasn't a Genre, It Was a Way of Life" 02:44 First Song: Mel McDaniel, 'Louisiana Saturday Night' 03:06 Baskin, Louisiana: Population 170 03:30 "You're Either Helping Your Daddy in the Field or Sitting Around a Table Telling Stories" 03:47 Farming and Music: "A Storm Could Roll Through and Wipe It All Away" 04:17 Sowing Seeds With Faith: Farming as Metaphor for a Music Career 04:33 "My Brother Bill and My Other Brother Jack": Feeling Like They Were Singing Your Story 04:54 "Redneck People Say Things Kind of in a Backwards Way" 05:15 The Beauty of the Everyday: A One-Eyed Dog and a Single-Shot Rifle 05:33 The People of Baskin: "I Will Give You the Shirt Off My Back" 05:50 Moving to Nashville: Finding Your Village of People 06:11 A Louisiana Saturday Night: Drive-Through Daiquiris and Backyard Bonfires 06:55 "As Long as You Don't Poke the Straw Into the Cup" 07:18 "Dance in the Kitchen Till the Morning Light" 07:47 Did You Know You Had Talent? "I Knew I Needed to Believe It" 08:18 Writing Songs at a Sleepover and Singing A Cappella to Mama 08:35 Mama as Sounding Board: Songs in the Bathroom at 11 Years Old 08:52 "I Had to Believe It First, Then the People Around Me Started Believing" 09:24 Nine Years Old in Nashville: "This Feels Like Home" 09:42 "I Just Knew It": A Calling Discovered on the Interstate 10:04 Writing About Tequila and Cigarettes at Nine 10:18 Finding Her Own Voice: "The Songwriting World Was Getting Bigger" 10:37 "Every Song I Write, I'm Finding More of My Voice": 5,000 Songs and Counting 10:55 Songwriting as Therapy: "Let Me Dump This on You" 11:05 Learning About the World Through Other People's Shoes 11:26 First Performance: Kindergarten Graduation Dressed as a Butterfly 12:09 The Cherry Incident: "I Spit It Into My Granny's Hands" 12:27 "I Should've Known This Was Gonna Be a Shitshow" 12:43 The Hannah Montana Impersonator: Five Years of Birthday Parties 13:04 "This Is My Moment": Volunteering in Eighth Grade 13:29 "It Spread Like Wildfire": Touring Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas 13:49 Opening as Lainey Wilson Before Becoming Hannah Montana 14:06 "Ain't Nobody Else Gonna Go Get It for You" 14:23 Changing Behind Trees: "You Just Do What You Gotta Do" 14:39 Second Song: Lee Ann Womack, 'I Hope You Dance' 14:59 Sixth Grade: The Teacher Walked in With a Boombox 15:18 "For the First Time in My Life, a Song Hit Me Different" 15:27 "Lee Ann Womack Made Me Feel Like I Could Do Anything" 15:49 Watching the Music Video on CMT and Dreaming 16:13 "I Hope You Still Feel Small": An Anthem for Throwing Your Hat in the Ring 16:26 "Go Stand Beside an Ocean and Remember There's a Much Bigger Plan" 16:56 Keeping Your Feet Planted on the Ground 17:23 "Give Faith a Fighting Chance": Using Your Gift for Good 17:54 Self-Belief and Drive From a Young Age 18:13 "My Family Always Encouraged Me to Be Nothing But Myself" 18:38 Finding People Who Weren't Trying to Change Her 19:00 Nashville Is a 10-Year Town — and It Was Spot On 19:23 Dolly Parton, Reba, and the '90s Ladies: "They Held Onto What Made Them Them" 19:54 What Were You Doing in Those 10 Years? 20:13 19 Years Old, 2011: A Camper Trailer Hauled to Nashville 20:46 Jerry Cupit: Parking the Camper for Free and Learning to Write Songs 21:07 "If You're Writing About a Blue Truck, How Does That Truck Make You Feel?" 21:24 My Grandfather's Favor: What He Did for Jerry Ended Up Helping Me 21:51 "Should've Packed It Up and Got the Hell Out of Dodge": Never Giving Up 22:13 Year Seven Publishing Deal, Year Eight Record Deal: "Now the Hard Work Started" 22:33 "I'd Been Preparing for the Race, and Then I Finally Entered It" 22:55 Keeping the Faith: "That Weird Sense of Peace I Got as a Nine-Year-Old" 23:19 "We Got One Life, and I Wanted to Be Happy Doing What I Love" 23:19 Heart Like a Truck: The Breakthrough Single 23:42 Paying It Forward: "I Want the Little Girls and Boys to Know This Was Not Overnight" 24:03 "Things Might Not Happen When You Want Them To, But They're Gonna Happen How They're Supposed To" 24:42 Cowgirl of the Night: "I Will Probably Still Be Crowning Somebody at 80 Years Old" 25:03 "I Am Beautiful. I Am Talented." 25:15 Scanning the Crowd: "What You Say to Yourself Is Very Important" 25:39 "Practice What I Preach": Telling Little Girls They're Smart and Beautiful 25:59 Third Song: CCR, 'Looking Out My Back Door' 26:10 Meeting John Fogerty: "You Won't Believe Who I Sat By Tonight" 26:32 The One CD in Daddy's Truck: "If He Was Tapping His Boot, He Liked It" 26:53 Kinetic Energy and Coming Home: "He's Talking About Locking the Front Door" 27:07 Writing About Home When You're Not at Home: "We All Wanna Feel Like We're There" 27:24 "It's Just About Perspective": Seeing the World From That Point of View 27:52 "I Was in the Backseat Playing Air Guitar": CCR Seeping Into Her System 28:11 "A Good Time, Not a Long Time": Credence and Hippie Culture 28:32 Bell-Bottoms and Free Love: "I Would Always Wanna Be a Hippie for Halloween" 28:51 "People Coming Up to My Mama Saying Lainey Gives Off a Free Spirit" 29:09 "I Just Have Always Felt a Little Free-Spirited" 29:29 "Giants Doing Cartwheels": The Wildness Beyond the Window 30:13 Yellowstone, Grammys, and CMA Entertainer of the Year: "Since Taylor Swift" 30:31 Coming Home to Nashville: "Is Your Mind Still Racing?" 30:49 "My Mind Is Always Racing": ADHD and the Song 'Can't Sit Still' 31:14 Getting Centered: Riding Horses and Sitting on the Front Porch 31:40 "Doing All the Simple Things Is What Helps Me Get There" 32:00 "I Can Be the Best Version of the Artist That People Have Connected To" 32:10 The First Thing She Does After Tour: Snuggling French Bulldog Hippie Mae Wilson 32:19 Architectural Digest and the Bedroom Sanctuary: "You Gotta Unplug Every Now and Then" 32:41 "You Can't Keep Pouring Out From a Half-Empty Cup for Very Long" 33:00 Fourth Song: Brothers Osborne, 'I'm Not For Everyone' 33:24 Shared Producer Jay Joyce: Eric Church and Brothers Osborne Records 34:00 "The Music Was Telling a Story of Its Own While the Lyrics Were Telling Another" 34:16 "You Could Pay Attention to Either One": Parallel Lines and ADHD 34:32 Jay Joyce: "He Can Stir Stuff Up in a Little Pot and Breathe Life Into It" 34:57 "Leaning Into the Things That Make You You" 35:18 "People That Love Ya, Like Ya, Don't Give a Damn, and Hate Ya" 35:37 "I'm Not for Everyone": Not an F You — "That's Okay" 35:53 Social Media: "You Aren't What You Do" 36:14 "I Am a Singer, I Am a Songwriter" — But What If This Is Taken Away Tomorrow? 36:30 Identity and the Dream: "How Much of Lainey Wilson Is There in Lainey Wilson?" 36:48 "Save a Little Bit Over Here for Myself" 37:11 Daddy's Saying Revisited: "If You Tell All Your Business, You Ain't Got None" 37:32 "That's How I'm Gonna Wind Up on the Prayer List Back Home" 37:52 TJ Coming Out as Gay: "Is Country Becoming More Welcoming?" 38:18 "We Don't Have to Live the Same Life to Love Each Other" 38:44 Big Tent Country: "Everyone's Welcome in the Big Tent" 39:05 Being a Unifying Voice in a Divided World 39:23 "Damned if You Do, Damned if You Don't": Actions Speak Louder Than Words 39:39 "I'm Like Scotch and Savin' Gold Bands" 40:01 Joyful and Uplifting Shows: "Country Can Be Sad, But Your Shows Are Really Happy" 40:21 "Manifest It. Fake It Till You Make It in the Best of Ways" 40:37 "Country Is Cool Again": The Netflix Documentary 40:55 Why Country Is Having a Big Moment: "I Don't Know Anybody Who Doesn't Love a Good Story" 41:41 "It Takes You Home. It Feels Family-Oriented." 42:01 Fifth and Final Song: Tim McGraw, 'Humble and Kind' 42:25 Written by Lori McKenna: Tim McGraw Grew Up Right Down the Road 42:53 "My Step-Grandmother Used to Babysit Him" 43:10 Tim Bringing Shows to Northeast Louisiana: "If He Did It, Maybe I Could Too" 43:35 "Hold the Door, Say Please, Say Thank You": A Blueprint for Staying Grounded 44:04 "Words to Live By": Lori McKenna Wrote It to Her Children 44:10 "I Haven't Met Him Just Yet": Sharing Headphones With Her Sister 44:28 "We'd Fight Over Them": Dance Routines on the Gravel Driveway 44:47 Hometown Her

Jacinda Ardern is a history-maker. As Prime Minister of New Zealand at 37, she became only the second woman in the world to give birth while in office. But it was her leadership style that defined her time at the top, leading with empathy and kindness in the face of back-to-back tragedies, and showing the strength of coming together. From growing up in small-town New Zealand singing country and western duets with her sister at the local community hall, to raging to Smashing Pumpkins in her first car with a discman plugged into the cassette deck, Ardern's musical taste has always been eclectic and deeply personal. She's the teenager who loved alternative music and heavy metal while being a dedicated student rep raised in the Mormon faith, and the world leader who chose a drum and bass track as her walk-on song. Her career path was never straightforward. She ran from the possibility of becoming a politician, buying a one-way ticket to New York to escape the suggestion she should run for office. But a sense of responsibility (what she calls her "oversized sense of duty"), kept pulling her back. In 2017, everything changed in a single year: a by-election, deputy leadership, then the top job itself, all while secretly pregnant. She led her country through the Christchurch mosque shootings, the Whakaari White Island eruption, and a global pandemic, all while insisting that being human is not a weakness. This episode was filmed for Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe at the Australian Chamber Orchestra's studios on Sydney Harbour. Jacinda caught the ferry to the location, rolling up without any entourage, proving just how down-to-earth she is. She was candid, emotional, and generous in exploring her extraordinary life across five songs. The theme that emerged was clear: optimism as a courageous act, and the enduring power of being useful. Jacinda Ardern's song choices:  Smashing Pumpkins - 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings'Fat Freddy's Drop - 'Wandering Eye'Cat Stevens - 'Peace Train'The Mountain Goats - 'This Year'Shapeshifter - 'Stars'00:00 Introduction: Jacinda Ardern Made History 00:54 "They Are Us": Leading with Empathy and Kindness 01:04 Filming Take 5 with a Former PM 01:56 Extended Podcast Edit: The Most Eclectic Song List of the Season 02:02 Childhood in Rural New Zealand: The Record Player at Home 02:26 Roy Orbison, ABBA, and Parents' "Slightly Different Era" Taste 03:02 The Country and Western Club: Every Friday Night at the Community Hall 03:26 Singing Duets with Sister Louise: "She's the One Holding the Microphone" 04:03 "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue" and the Christmas Special 04:58 Sister's Pop vs. Her Alternative: Cypress Hill, Rage Against the Machine 05:11 Smashing Pumpkins: 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings' 05:53 Growing Up in Morrinsville: Dairy Farms and $20 a Week at the Fish and Chip Shop 06:02 The Discman in the Car: Cassette Adapters and Judder Bars 06:39 The Multi-Change CD Player: "The Most Exciting Thing" 07:02 The Walkman and Sister Louise: "I've Never Gotten Over It" 07:44 Playing Every CD to Death: "You Valued Every One" 08:01 Teenage Angst: Rage Against the Machine, Metallica, Pantera, Nine Inch Nails 08:21 Smashing Pumpkins: "Both the Lyrics That Spoke to Teenage Angst and Great Music" 08:52 Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness: A Double Album for the Multi-CD Player 09:15 "Despite All My Rage, I'm Still Just a Rat in a Cage" 09:29 An Earnest Teenager: Raised in Religion, Student Rep, Working Hard 10:13 Not a Headbanger: "My Mother Would've Taken Me to a Chiropractor" 10:44 Parents Respected Their Own Musical Taste and Belief Systems 11:26 Born in Hamilton, Then Murupara: First Observations of Poverty and Inequality 12:00 "A Place That Made Me Quite Political" 12:29 Writing the Book: How Do You End Up in Politics? 12:48 "All of It Contributes to How You Come to Be the Person You Are" 13:15 The Kinship Between Australia and New Zealand 13:44 Empathy and Awareness: Seeing What Affects People 14:17 Father the Policeman: "Power as a Responsibility" 14:40 "Being Useful Is a Driving Force" 15:04 Fat Freddy's Drop: 'Wandering Eye' 15:13 Moving to Wellington in the Early 2000s 15:46 Sworn In as PM: Fat Freddy's Drop Playing on Parliament Steps 16:08 Carpooling on a Bus Instead of Crown Cars 16:33 "Sitting at the Base of the Steps, Just Playing for Us" 17:00 A Full Circle Moment: Unexpected PM, Secretly Pregnant 18:29 First Job in Parliament: Interning in Wellington 18:57 "I Couldn't Possibly Be a Politician" 19:36 People Identifying the Leader in Her Before She Did 20:22 The Beehive: Flatting and a Normal Life in Her 20s 21:06 Still a Practicing Mormon in Her Early 20s 21:25 Cognitive Dissonance: Progressive Politics and the Church 21:50 Campaigning for Equality on Saturday, Church on Sunday 22:02 Leaving the Church: "Something Had to Give" 23:08 Running from Politics: A One-Way Ticket to New York 23:36 London, Then Coming Back to New Zealand 23:55 "Two Dueling Wolves": Imposter Syndrome vs. Responsibility 24:18 Putting Herself Forward: "Turns Out I Was Wrong" 24:42 2017: Everything Happened in One Year 24:47 By-Election, Deputy Leader, Then Leader Nominated 25:28 Waiting for Winston Peters: Finding Out on the 6pm News 25:39 Secretly Pregnant During Coalition Negotiations 27:27 Malcolm Turnbull Calling to Congratulate 27:49 Cat Stevens: 'Peace Train' 28:11 Mrs. Bean's Class: Bursting Into Tears as a Child 28:55 Yusuf Islam Coming to New Zealand After the March 15 Terror Attack 29:30 Peace Train at the Memorial Service: "A Song of Hope in Hard Times" 30:00 Feeling the Same Way as a Child and as an Adult 31:18 Has Hope Always Led You Through Your Life? 31:35 Ernest Shackleton: "Optimism Is True Moral Courage" 32:10 Actively Choosing to Be an Optimistic Person 33:13 The Christchurch Mosque Shootings: Finding Out in Bits 34:01 Frustration and Anger: "A Manifesto of Hate" 34:47 "Simply a Human Response": Why Emotion Isn't Weakness 35:56 Learning from the Muslim Community: "They Opened Their Arms" 37:25 "A Sadness I'll Carry for the Rest of My Life" 37:42 Processing Grief: "I'll Never Set That Down" 38:21 The Mountain Goats: 'This Year' 38:39 The Song of the Year Tradition 39:18 "I Am Gonna Make It Through This Year If It Kills Me" 40:09 Keeping the Faith in Opposition: Purpose and Team Cohesion 41:19 Christchurch, Whakaari, COVID: "It Was Relentless" 42:52 Car Time Was Solo Time: Losing That as Prime Minister 44:04 Elton John's "Still Standing" and the Earthquake on Live TV 44:56 "The Universe Has to Let Up at Some Point" 45:02 Knowing It Was Time to Go 45:43 "Nothing Left in the Tank" 46:03 Not "Spending More Time With Family": The Language of Leaving 46:54 "I Am Human. Politicians Are Human." 47:33 The Emotional Announcement: "Got the Words Out in the End" 47:36 That Night After Stepping Down 48:11 Eventually Feeling Free: "It Takes a While" 49:04 "You Can Be in Politics and Also Be Kind" 49:10 Shapeshifter: 'Stars' 49:33 Drum and Bass Walk-On Song at the Labour Party Conference 50:46 Bonding with Clarke Over Shapeshifter 51:17 Seeing Shapeshifter During COVID New Year's: Joy and Responsibility 52:06 The Coffee Date with Clarke: Surprising Each Other 53:17 The Prime Minister Documentary: "We're Very Normal People" 54:55 Adapting the Memoir for Young Adults 56:10 "15-Year-Old Jacinda Would Be Very Surprised. But I Think She'd Be Proud." 56:24 Life in Sydney: Climate Change, AI Safety, and Empathetic Leadership 57:32 Making a Playlist for Her Niece: "I'm Absolutely Stuck in the 1990s" 57:37 Thank You and Goodbye 58:29 Zan's Wrap-Up: The Only World Leader with Drum and Bass as a Walk-On Song 58:44 Filmed at the ACO Studios on Sydney Harbour 59:10 Next Time: Lainey Wilson 59:55 Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe. Stream on ABC iview This episode was filmed for Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. You can stream the whole season on ABC iview now. Watch this episode of Take 5 on ABC iview https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

David Byrne is a music icon. With Talking Heads, or his many wild collaborations, and as an acclaimed solo artist, he's continually pushed the boundaries of sound, crafting some of the most iconic live performances of our time. Over five decades, he's never stopped asking why. His curiosity has driven an extraordinary creative life that stretches way beyond music: on canvas, in writing, filmmaking, composing musicals. He's even designed bike racks. From hearing Bob Dylan's mysterious words on a tiny radio and discovering James Brown's interlocking grooves, to forming Talking Heads at the Rhode Island School of Design and moving to New York's CBGB scene, Byrne has always followed his curiosity wherever it leads. He wrote his very first song, "Psycho Killer," as a test to see if he could write one at all, and it became an instant classic. His collaborations read like a who's who of music history: Brian Eno, Arthur Russell, Parliament-Funkadelic, and even Celia Cruz. His 1984 concert film Stop Making Sense with Jonathan Demme remains one of the most celebrated live performances ever captured. And decades later, he's still rearranging his classic songs, finding new meaning in them, sometimes discovering, as with "Life During Wartime," that they feel more real and more close than ever. This episode was filmed for Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe in a recording studio in Sydney while David Byrne was in Australia touring over the 2025/26 summer. He was jubilant, fascinating, and so generous in exploring his huge life across five songs. As a lifelong DB fan, the theme was clear: curiosity. And as David himself says, the answers don't come in the songs. They come in the live shows, in how we perform and how we are with one another. David Byrne's song choices: James Brown - 'Get On the Good Foot'Joubert Singers - 'Stand On The Word' (Larry Levan mix)Celia Cruz - 'Cucala'James Blake - 'The Wilhelm Scream'Caetano Veloso - 'Tropicalia'00:00 Introduction: A Lifetime of Asking Questions 02:01 Meet David Byrne: Icon, Collaborator, Polymath 02:33 Extended Cut. Watch on ABC iview 02:55 The Theme: Curiosity and the Songs That Spark It 03:25 A Tiny Radio, The Byrds, and the Mysterious Words of Bob Dylan 04:45 James Brown: 'Get On the Good Foot' 05:09 Interlocking Puzzles: "I Treat Every Instrument as a Percussion Instrument" 05:34 The Social Metaphor of Funk. A Penny Drop Moment Decades Later 07:12 First Time Seeing James Brown Live: The Dancing Women Who Weren't Singing 08:37 Art School and Music as a Hobby: "Don't Get Your Hopes Up" 09:23 Rhode Island School of Design: Meeting Chris Frantz 09:52 Putting a Band Together and Writing the First Songs 10:39 Why Write Songs at All? "Just to See If You Could" 11:04 Writing "Psycho Killer" as a Test. And People Liked It 11:31 "Check That Box. I Can Write a Song." 12:12 Influences: James Brown, Disco, Bowie, and the Velvet Underground 12:54 Moving to New York: CBGB, Television, and Patti Smith 13:47 MTV and "Once in a Lifetime": Going Back to Art School for Music Videos 14:26 Joubert Singers: 'Stand On The Word' (Larry Levan mix) 14:53 Gospel in a Disco Club: The Shared Transcendence of Dance and Church 16:31 Hearing Talking Heads in the Clubs: "We've Been Validated" 17:11 My Life in the Bush of Ghosts: When the DJ Picked It 18:00 Losing Yourself: The Body Perceives Music Before the Mind 19:25 Trust and Surrender on the Dance Floor 20:01 Celia Cruz: 'Cucala' 20:41 The Latin Club Down the Street from CBGB 21:06 Dance Music Played Live: Salsa, Hips, and Sensuous Rhythms 21:56 Celia Cruz's Voice: "It Cuts Through Everything" 22:36 A Pinch-Yourself Moment: Recording a Song with Celia Cruz 23:12 Different Worlds: Spangly Outfits, Huge Hairdos, and Skinny Jeans 23:50 Collaborators Expanding: Arthur Russell's Cello Arrangement of "Psycho Killer" 24:44 Adding Parliament-Funkadelic Members: The Universe Keeps Growing 25:23 James Blake: 'The Wilhelm Scream' 26:03 Minimalism: "You Don't Have to Keep Piling Everything On" 26:51 Brian Eno vs. James Blake: Learning to Strip Things Down from a Song 27:18 Seeing James Blake Live and Discovering He's "a Great Singer" 27:43 James Blake the Producer: Pulling Things Apart and Stitching Them Back Together 27:58 Stop Making Sense: Showing the Audience How the Sausage Is Made 28:20 "You're Playing to Tracks, Aren't You?" Proving It's All Live 28:45 Breaking a Song Apart Onstage: One Instrument at a Time 29:09 Wireless Instruments and Witchcraft 29:21 Caetano Veloso: 'Tropicalia' 30:27 Caetano Celebrating Everything: "We Can Say Yes to All These Things" 30:50 A Mentor Who Keeps Evolving: "I Want to Be Able to Do That" 31:59 Political Messages in Flower Language: Getting Ideas Past the Censors 32:35 Learning from Caetano and Celia Cruz: Protest Songs Don't Have to Shout 32:58 "Years Ago, I Was an Angry Man" 33:31 Rearranging the Old Songs: They're Recognisable, But the Meaning Changes 33:57 Playing "Life During Wartime" Today: "It Seems Too Real, Too Close" 34:46 Licensing News Footage: "It Takes Your Breath Away" 35:17 Songs That Evolve Personally and Globally. Communion in Concert 36:32 What an Absolute Joy: David Byrne Across Five Songs 36:56 Next Time: Jacinda Ardern 37:31 Season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe. Stream on ABC iview This episode was filmed for season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. You can stream the whole season on ABC iview now. Watch this episode of Take 5 on ABC iview:  https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

When you look back at the Australian artists who've made their mark internationally, Savage Garden are right up there.  Two guys from Brisbane who went Number 1 around the world, cracked the notoriously tough U.S. market and sold nearly 30 million albums with hits like 'I Want You', 'To The Moon And Back', and 'Truly Madly Deeply'.  They may have only been together for two albums, but the legacy of their pop breakthrough continues, as does frontman Darren Hayes' incredible story. While he was sailing the highs of global fame, behind the scenes, Darren was dealing with a fractured band relationship, battling depression, and in the closet, unable to be truly himself.  As a now proudly out gay man, he continues to sing his stories as a solo artist, but the road hasn't always been smooth sailing.  Growing up in Logan, Queensland, the youngest of three in a home shadowed by severe domestic violence, who could have predicted that this sensitive kid who loved to sing would one day stand on the world's biggest stages? Darren's story is extraordinary: 250 rejection letters before anyone would sign Savage Garden, a manager who mortgaged his home to make it happen, and a partnership with Daniel Jones that produced some of the most iconic pop of the '90s before it all came crashing down. There have been plenty of lows too; being told by his own record company to hide who he was, the sudden loss of his mother, and a terrifying accident that shattered his jaw and nearly ended his singing career for good. But Darren Hayes is back, and he's got stories. This episode was captured at Chaplin Studios in Los Angeles, which was the building originally built by Charlie Chaplin, later home to A&M Records, and the exact room where "We Are the World" was recorded (Quincy Jones directing Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Bob Dylan, Cyndi Lauper, and a room full of legends). It's a space steeped in music history, and if you believe the people who work there, a few ghosts as well. It was the perfect place to sit down with Darren and travel through a life defined by music, survival, and healing. Darren Hayes' song choices:  The Dream Academy - 'Life in a Northern Town'HAIM - 'Hallelujah'Young The Giant - 'The Walk Home'Coldplay - 'O'Maisie Peters – 'Two Weeks Ago'00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene at Chaplin Studios 02:31 The History of Chaplin Studios: From Charlie Chaplin to A&M Records 04:00 Karen Carpenter's Ghost and the Sacred Walls 05:13 The Theme: Songs of Healing and Music Saving a Life 05:41 Growing Up with Domestic Violence in Logan, Queensland 06:05 Music as Escape: AM Radio, The Carpenters, and Auntie Jenny's Records 06:56 Learning to Sing from Diana Ross and His Mother's Voice 08:01 The Dream Academy - 'Life in a Northern Town' 08:50 Catharsis Through Melancholy and the Sentimentality of Childhood 10:52 Transitions: Missing His Siblings and "The Morning Lasted All Day" 12:12 The End of High School and Not Wanting to Grow Up 14:23 Growing Up in Logan: Feeling Like a Prince Despite Poverty 15:12 A Hyper-Masculine World and Making Star Wars Toys Kiss 15:44 Deciding He Was Famous at Age Ten: Protective Armor Against Bullying 16:38 Being Called the F Word by His Father Before He Knew What It Meant 18:05 Either Be Famous and Magical, or Die 18:27 His Job Was to Keep His Mother Alive 19:21 Hockey Sticks and Midnight Escapes: Surviving His Father's Violence 20:15 Haim - 'Hallelujah' 21:02 The Sound of Grace: Guardian Angels and Being Protected 21:58 Being Uninvited from a Party and His Mother's Comfort 23:30 "You've Got a Hallelujah": Surviving Childhood 24:46 When Did Music Become the Path? High School Choir and Musical Theatre 25:50 Feeling the Molecules Change When He Sang 27:57 The First Band: A Death Metal Audition and Joining Red Edge with Daniel Jones 29:26 Throwing Up on the Way to Toowoomba: Playing Aussie Classics He Didn't Know 30:14 Leaving Red Edge and the Beginning of Savage Garden 31:05 The First Song They Wrote Together: A Thousand Words 31:25 The Australian Music Landscape: Grunge vs. Pop and 250 Rejection Letters 33:26 John Woodruff Mortgaged His Home and No One Was Laughing Anymore 33:46 Global Fame, Fans as Mirrors, and the Exhausting Rollercoaster 35:58 Secrets: Being Gay, Depression, and the Record Company Hiding Who He Was 36:45 Young The Giant - 'The Walk Home' 37:24 Why Savage Garden Ended: Daniel's Unhappiness with Fame 37:49 The Sum of the Parts and Beatlesque Chemistry in the Studio 38:32 Touring the World Knowing It Was Over 39:51 His Relationship with Daniel Now: "We Don't Talk Much Anymore" 41:21 Solo Records, Coming Out, and the Album Called Homosexual 42:01 Queer Fans and the First Dapple of Sunlight 42:49 What His Mother Thought of Fame: She Couldn't Have Given a Shit 43:47 Paying Cash for a House So His Mother Could Finally Leave 44:48 Coldplay - 'O' 45:08 Grief, Letting Go, and the Sudden Loss of His Mother 46:43 Choosing This Song for Her Funeral 47:22 The Flock of Birds Metaphor and Cutting the Tether 48:15 "I Had to Let Her Go Like a Beautiful Balloon" 50:18 The Accident: A Vasovagal Syncope Episode That Shattered His Jaw 50:44 Seventeen Teeth Broken, Mouth Wired Shut for Three Months, and Learning to Sing Again 51:02 The Troubadour Comeback: "If I Don't Get Back on Stage, I May Never" 51:51 What It Felt Like: Love 52:18 Carrying His Mother's DNA in His Heart and Vocal Cords 52:49 Maisie Peters - 'Two Weeks Ago' 53:14 In Love: How His Dog Huxley Found Eddie 54:38 Four Blocks Apart for a Decade and Zoom Dates with a New Partner 55:41 Never Spending a Night Apart in Three Years 56:23 2027: The 30th Anniversary of Savage Garden and a New Record 56:48 Writing Melodies with His Mouth Wired Shut 57:39 "I'm Back, Baby" 58:53 Next Time: David Byrne 59:53 Take 5 with Zan Rowe – Stream the Series on ABC iview This episode was filmed for season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. You can stream the whole season on ABC iview now. Watch this episode of Take 5 on ABC iview: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe There are parts of this conversation that explore Darren’s experiences with family violence. It’s a big part of his story, so please be warned. And if you need support, here are some resources who provide it: 1800 Respect National Helpline on 1800 737 732Lifeline on 131 114Men's Referral Service on 1300 766 491Mensline on 1300 789 978Full Stop Australia on 1800 385 578Emergency services on triple-0 if you need immediate care

Shania Twain holds the record for the biggest selling country album of all time: Come On Over.  Growing up poor in a Canadian mining town, who could have foreseen that the woman born Eileen Regina Twain would go on to sell over 100 million records, cross country music into pop, and become one of the most recognisable voices on the planet? Her life has been extraordinary, dotted with hit albums and huge shows, songs known by their opening line worldwide, and fans ranging from country music loyalists to Harry Styles. There've been plenty of lows too, including almost losing her voice completely to Lyme disease. Shania Twain may be a little more raspy, but she's got stories. This episode was captured at the legendary Power Station in Midtown Manhattan (the recording studio where Bruce Springsteen made his biggest albums, where David Bowie recorded Let's Dance, and Madonna crafted Like a Virgin). It was the perfect place to sit down and travel back in time with Shania, as she reflected on the little Miss Twain that became the star. Stick around after the chat for a very funny story about what happened that day at the studio. Let's just say Take 5 alumni Lin-Manuel Miranda may have been involved (and Amanda Seyfried... and Hamilton star Phillipa Soo). Shania Twain's song choices:  Dolly Parton - 'Coat of Many Colors'Tanya Tucker - 'Texas (When I Die)'Olivia Newton-John - 'Hopelessly Devoted to You'Tina Turner - 'What's Love Got to Do with It'Aretha Franklin - 'Respect'00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene at the Power Station 01:50 The Legendary Power Station Studio 02:35 Dolly Parton - 'Coat of Many Colors' 03:15 Growing Up Poor and Dolly Parton's Influence 06:45 Reflecting on Childhood and the New Album 'Little Miss Twain' 07:30 Singing in Bars as a Child and Tammy Wynette 09:01 Tanya Tucker - 'Texas (When I Die)' 09:30 Tanya Tucker: A Voice Beyond Her Years 11:00 First on Stage at Eight Years Old 12:45 Singing in the Bars of Timmins, Ontario 15:30 Mother's Dream: The Next Tanya Tucker 16:00 Dreaming of Horses Instead of Fame 17:05 Olivia Newton-John - 'Hopelessly Devoted to You' 17:45 Olivia Newton-John: Crossing Genres and Breaking Boundaries 20:30 Nashville, Crossing Over to Pop, and Doing It Her Way 24:00 The First Video, a Target Budget, and the Belly Button Scandal 27:10 Tina Turner - 'What's Love Got to Do with It' 28:00 The Queen of Comebacks 29:45 A 15-Year Break and Losing Her Voice 30:30 Lyme Disease, Vocal Cord Surgery, and Finding a New Voice 34:20 Aretha Franklin - 'Respect' 35:00 Aretha's Brilliance and Owning the Song 37:30 Respect, Recognition, and Not Feeling Like a Star 38:30 Finding Peace in the Bush 40:00 Full Circle: A Message to Little Miss Twain 41:00 A Surprise Visit from Lin-Manuel Miranda, Amanda Seyfried & Phillipa Soo 42:30 Next Time: Darren Hayes 43:30 Double J This episode was filmed for season 5 of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. You can stream the whole season on ABC iview now. Watch this episode of Take 5 on ABC iview: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

Peter Garrett has been an unstoppable force of Australian music for decades. As the iconic frontman of Midnight Oil, a grassroots activist, and a former Federal Parliamentarian, he's spent a lifetime driving change: from the pubs of Sydney to the remote outback communities that reshaped the band's sound, from the floor of Parliament to the world's biggest stages. He's never stopped pushing. But beneath the towering public persona lies something unexpected. When Zan Rowe gave him the theme "Songs of Change," Peter Garrett revealed a softer, surprisingly open side: a man moved to tears by music, still searching for love and meaning, and still driven by hope in a world that often feels hopeless. He traces it all back to a suburban childhood where his parents spun protest records on a gramophone, through the tragic, sudden loss of both parents as a young man, to the formation of Midnight Oil with Rob Hirst and Jim Moginie, a partnership that would define Australian rock for half a century. He recalls the 1986 Blackfella Whitefella tour through remote Indigenous communities with Warumpi Band as the experience that moved him more deeply than playing to 50,000 people in Rio or New York. "Nothing affected me like actually being in that environment," he says. "We were visitors, and we were treated with great generosity." He speaks with raw emotion about the loss of Rob Hirst, his drummer, his sparring partner, his family, and the alchemy that made Midnight Oil undeniable. "If you're gonna die on a hill, die on a hill that's got meaning." On the future of the band without Rob, he's candid but open: "The doors are open. But it may not happen at all." He reflects on his years in federal parliament, the criticism he faced for wearing a suit, and the idea of service that drove him to enter politics in the first place. He connects Bruce Springsteen's live performance of "War" in the Trump era to Australia's own opportunity to be "a different kind of modern nation." And he closes with Sarah Blasko's "Without," landing on a truth that ties everything together: "You can only be a hopeful person if you actually understand what love is." This episode was filmed for the new season of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. Filmed at the Oxford Art Factory in Sydney, Peter Garrett came ready to share, and what unfolded was a conversation about music, loss, service, and love that goes far beyond the public persona. As Peter himself says, the two constants in his life have been music and change. This is the envelope within which he writes all his letters. Peter Garrett's song choices: Peter, Paul & Mary - 'Go Tell It On The Mountain'Warumpi Band - 'From The Bush'DOBBY - 'Dirrpi Yuin Patjulinya'Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - 'War' (live)Sarah Blasko - 'Without'00:00 Introduction: A Life Punctuated by Music and Change 01:46 A New Season of Take 5 with Zan Rowe 02:15 The Theme: Songs of Change, and a Softer Side of Peter Garrett 02:55 "The Two Constants in My Life": Music and Change 03:21 Peter, Paul & Mary - 'Go Tell It On The Mountain' 03:30 Growing Up in a Musical Household: Gershwin, Rodgers & Hammerstein, and a Gramophone 06:40 Hearing Protest Records as a Nine-Year-Old: "I Had No Idea It Was a Protest Song" 09:32 Peter Garrett's First Band: Devil's Breakfast, and How Farm Became Midnight Oil 10:14 Warumpi Band - 'From The Bush' 10:45 "A Very Punk Song": Why This Song Leaves Everything Else in the Dust 12:55 Music That's Self-Absorbed vs. Music That Speaks Directly 15:35 Midnight Oil's 1986 Tour to Remote Indigenous Communities with Warumpi Band 16:30 "Nothing Affected Me Like Being in That Environment": A Sliding Door Moment 18:49 How the Outback Tour Influenced 'Beds Are Burning' and Diesel and Dust 20:45 Returning to Kintore in 2017: "What Took You So Long to Come Back?" 22:33 DOBBY - 'Dirrpi Yuin Patjulinya' 23:10 A Butcherbird Call as the Melodic Heart: "He's Done What I've Been Trying For Years" 25:20 "The Most Important and Precious Commodity We Have": Music, Nature, and the Murray-Darling 26:35 Rob Hirst Tribute at the APRA Awards: Six Drummers, The Presets, and a Surprise Reveal 29:51 The Alchemy of Rob Hirst: "I Just Looked at Them and Went, Wow" 31:10 "If You're Gonna Die on a Hill, Die on a Hill That's Got Meaning" 32:20 Losing Rob Hirst: "Physically Not Here, But Essentially? No Way. Still Here." 34:39 The Future of Midnight Oil: "The Doors Are Open. But It May Not Happen at All." 36:18 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band - 'War' (Live) 36:50 Springsteen in the Trump Era: "He's Really Risen to the Moment" 39:00 Music and Politics: "You Need Them Both for Change" 41:29 Inside Federal Parliament: Service, Suits, and Being Called Naive 43:23 Hope as the Antidote to Apathy: "It Is People Acting That Makes the Difference" 45:27 Sarah Blasko - 'Without' 46:00 "You Can Only Be a Hopeful Person If You Understand What Love Is" 49:33 Doris: 40 Years of Marriage, Three Daughters, and the Eye of the Cyclone 52:37 Looking Forward, Not Back: "My Most Precious Resource Is Time" 54:24 Zan's Final Reflections: A Stunning and Poetic End 54:55 Next Time: Shania Twain, From Poverty in Timmins to 40 Million Albums This episode was filmed for a new season of Take 5 with Zan Rowe on ABC TV and ABC iview. You can stream the whole season on ABC iview now. Watch Take 5 on ABC iview:  https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

Take 5 with Zan Rowe is back on your screens from Thursday August 20, and Season 5 is the biggest yet! What song makes Peter Garrett cry?  What was the tune that woke David Byrne up to the full body physicality of music, at Studio 54?  And who do you think a teenage Jacinda Ardern was blasting, as she hooned around her hometown in New Zealand?  You’re about to find out, as Take 5 returns for a 5th season on ABC TV and ABC iview. For the last 6 months Zan Rowe has been zipping around Australia, to New York City and Los Angeles to capture 8 extraordinary conversations with absolute legends.  Like Shania Twain, who revealed a poverty stricken childhood that made her a star. Or Darren Hayes, who laid it all out in a heartbreaking conversation about loss and healing.  You’re going fall in love with Lainey Wilson, the singer who’s selling out arenas with her bell-bottom country and southern charm. And you’ll learn more about Genesis Owusu, a visionary doing completely his own thing and winning all the awards, all at just 28 years old.  If you’ve ever wondered if it’s possible to adore Vika & Linda Bull even more, their Take 5 will confirm. Fall into the worlds of these 8 incredible guests as they Take 5. You’ll catch all the episodes from Thursday August 20 on ABC TV and ABC iview. PLUS: every week, we’ll drop extended cuts of these chats right here on the podcast. All the bits we had to leave out of the TV episodes, the stories that didn’t make the edit, the moments that stayed with us. So hit follow and get ready for a season of Take 5 that’ll shift your perspective, make you laugh, and maybe even make you cry. And while you wait for Season 5, there’s plenty to explore. From Paul McCartney to Trent Dalton, Sophie Ellis-Bextor to Lorde – Take 5 has been a radio and podcast favourite for two decades. Dig in! Watch the first 4 seasons of Take 5 on ABC iview: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/take-5-with-zan-rowe

This is one of the best bits from Take 5. One of the greatest songwriters of all time sat down with Zan Rowe to open his songbook and dive deep into the making of five of his greatest.  Paul McCartney has provided the soundtrack to billions of lives. His legacy in song is unparalleled; starting with The Beatles, who changed the game forever, he rolled on with his own solo career while building a new band in Wings, and collaborating with everyone from Stevie Wonder to Johnny Cash and Dave Grohl. Listen to the full episode here: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/paul-mccartney-take-5/9230996 SONG The Beatles - 'Blackbird'

This is one of the best bits from Take 5. Kacey Musgraves is a straight shooter, a woman of conviction. In person and in song, the bridge she creates with her fans is something else, and it’s made her one of the most loved artists around. For Kacey’s Take 5, Zan wanted to find out about the music that brought her to today, and to borrow a title from her own debut album, helped Kacey “follow her arrow”.  Listen to the full episode here: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/kacey-musgraves-take-5-with-zan-rowe/11122692

This is one of the best bits from Take 5. Founding member of Blink-182, Angels and Airwaves, and UFO enthusiast, Tom DeLonge hung out with Zan Rowe back in 2012, while in the country to play Soundwave Festival. You don't create a career like that without loving music, so Zan dived into the music that changed his life. Listen to the full episode here: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/tom-delonge-take-5/9035742 SONGS The Cure - ‘Friday I’m In Love’The Police - ‘Every Breath You Take’

This is one of the best bits from Take 5. In 2024 Emily Wurramara released her second album NARA and cemented herself as a powerful indigenous storyteller.  The Warnindhilyagwa woman joined Zan Rowe to Take 5 on the same day her second album was released and the energy in the studio was pumping. It’s very much a record of renewal, and one of Double J's 50 Best Albums of that year. Listen back to Emily talking about her love of John Fogerty and Cat Power, during her Take 5 on songs of renewal. Listen to the full episode here: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/take-5/emily-wurramara-take-5-songs-of-renewal/104257048 SONGS John Fogerty – ‘I Will Walk With You’Cat Power – ‘Sea of Love’

Poh Ling Yeow has been part of our lives for two decades. As a TV chef, a gourmet stall owner, a celebrity in the jungle, and a cookbook author. Poh is a painter and has even popped up an actor, describing herself as having a greed for life experience. Poh is currently hosting and judging on the latest series of Masterchef, and this week she's Taking 5.  Fall into the stories and songs that have shaped who Poh has become. Poh's song choices: The Bee Gees - How Deep Is Your LoveJohnny Mathis & Deniece Williams - Without Us (Theme from Family Ties)Sade - Like a TattooA Tribe Called Quest - Electric RelaxationJóhann Jóhannsson - A Sparrow Alighted Upon Our Shoulder00:30 Introduction to Poh Ling Yeow 01:10 Poh's love of being a DJ 03:14 The Bee Gees - 'How Deep Is Your Love' 05:45 Growing up and being unsupervised 12:40 Johnny Mathis & Deniece Williams - 'Without Us' 14:07 Wanting to be a popular American teen 21:10 Sade - 'Like a Tattoo' 24:13 Reconstructing how you see the world after religion 29:11 A Tribe Called Quest - 'Electric Relaxation' 31:03 The ending of a shared history 34:23 Masterchef as contestant and host 37:58 Jóhann Jóhannsson - 'A Sparrow Alighted Upon Our Shoulder' Show Notes Watch Poh on Masterchef: https://10.com.au/masterchef Watch Zan on Race Around the World: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/race-around-the-world

2026 marks 20 years since Hot Chip released The Warning. Their second album leapt from the quiet, reflective electro of their debut and catapulted us all onto the dancefloor. To mark the occasion, we share an episode from 2020 when Joe Goddard and Al Doyle dropped in to Take 5. Their theme? Jubilant songs. Their vibes? Pure joy.  From classic to modern gold to deep cuts, settle in with some "heaters" as Hot Chip Take 5! Hot Chip's song choices: Prince – Starfish and CoffeeFever Ray – To The Moon and BackTeyana Taylor – Hurry {Feat. Kanye West}Double Exposure – Everyman (Has to Carry His Own Weight)Hot Chocolate – I Just Love What You’re Doing (Kon Edit)00:06 Hot Chip introduction and anniversary of The Warning 01:08 Using sampels to create joy 04:10 Prince – 'Starfish and Coffee' 06:22 Innocence and joy in music 07:18 Fever Ray – 'To The Moon and Back' 09:27 20 years of Hot Chip 19:07 Teyana Taylor – 'Hurry {Feat. Kanye West}' 20:49 Freedom and joy 21:34 Double Exposure – 'Everyman (Has to Carry His Own Weight)' 23:53 Hot Chip on stage joy 29:45 Hot Chocolate – 'I Just Love What You’re Doing (Kon Edit)' 31:45 Next week's guest!

This month, Gotye's breakthrough album Like Drawing Blood, turns 20. It was the record that took him from bedroom producer to Hottest 100 favourite, showcasing his incredible talent at sewing sounds. The man behind Gotye, Wally De Backer, has been keeping a low profile for a while. But back in 2007, after a huge year following this album's release, he joined Zan Rowe to Take 5.  This is one of the very first episodes of Take 5, and the first time it's ever appeared on the podcast. So jump in the time machine and travel back to this mid 2000's moment. It was before Gotye released his worldwide smash "Somebody That I Used to Know", Homebake Festival still existed, MySpace was king, and Wally was at a precipice; head spinning from a wild year but with no idea of what was ahead. His theme? His top 5 moments of the last 12 months. His songs, all Australian.  Gotye's song choices: Josh Pyke - Fill You In Karnivool - Shutterspeed  Faux Pas - For The Trees Emily Ulman - Upping The AnteThe Presets - Are You The One?00:17 Gotye introduction and 20th Anniversary of 'Like Drawing Blood' 02:30 The songs that soundtracked Gotye's 2006 breakthrough 02:58 Josh Pyke -'Fill You In' 04:55 Gotye and his love of heavy and progressive music 06:08 Karnivool 'Shutterspeed' 07:52 Bringing Gotye's songs to live with a band 11:59 Drummers who sing 14:28 Faux Pas - 'For The Trees' 17:24 Buying your first iPod 18:39 Emily Ulman - 'Upping The Ante' 20:30 What Gotye was about to embark on in 2007 24:15 The Presets - 'Are You The One?' 26:13 Next weeks guests!