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Dramas Over Flowers

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204 episodes
Language
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Date created
2017/08/11
Latest episode
2026/08/01
Average duration
96 min.
Release period
38 days

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Destined friends and professional fans Saya, Anisa and Paroma yak—at length—about Korean dramas. Expect a healthy mix of subjective critique and objective fangirling.

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Spooky In Love, Blossoms of Power, Dream To You, Key to the Phoenix Heart & More [Long Yak]
2026/08/01
Halo! This month I decided to finally get started on my solo podcasting career and recorded a hella long episode all on my own. Feedback would be highly appreciated! (Time stamps below.) Okay, so dive in. I'm pretty happy (although not terribly excited) by the drama fare we have right now. My one hot take is about Key to the Phoenix Heart. Comment on the substack post. Let me know your thoughts on my livestream recording plans or join the discord discussion about renaming this podcast via links below! There is an extended video version for members up on Patreon. TIME STAMPS: 00:00:00 Podcast housekeeping and pre-recording jitters. 00:08:50 Drama talk starts here! 00:13:55 Spooky in Love 00:21:26 Blossoms of Power 00:36:54 See You At Work Tomorrow 00:51:24 Key to the Phoenix Heart 01:09:14 Dream To You 01:20:10 Love For You 01:27:23 Apartment Job LINKS MENTIONED: Discord for overthinking drama fans: https://discord.com/invite/4xPe8jnJWw Renaming Dramas Over Flowers: https://discord.gg/zPZZDCWB8 LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma
My Royal Nemesis, Reborn Rookie, The First Jasmine, Wonderfools, Pursuit of Jade & More [Long Yak]
2026/06/21
Anisa and Paroma and diving into almost three months worth of drama watching. Brace yourselves! Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Discord for overthinking drama fans: https://discord.com/invite/4xPe8jnJWw Pursuit of Jade ending video: https://youtu.be/ivhTBv3POEc?si=GIlaw4r6agXx1JU6 Perfect Crown ending video: https://youtu.be/3LSQ7BJ2gMs?si=rDRR3YG0GJhlqV0p Yumi's Cells 3 ending: https://youtu.be/XWGbjaMTdvk?si=DgojvExUuU4ltJ-w Teach You A Lesson (Hana from Korea): https://youtu.be/CSZE-I4FOCw?si=ZUPeQQK1Rv7k2eTv Dramas Mentioned: Reborn Rookie Dazzling Blossom Sold out on you My Royal Nemesis Perfect Crown Yumis cells 3 Filing for love Wonderfools Pursuit of Jade Zhan Zhao adventures The First Jasmine LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma
Heart Pairing: A Korean Dating Show Anisa Recommends!
2026/05/23
Anisa convinces Paroma to watch Heart Pairing - a reality dating show with real, normal people, with some extremely sweet and romantic story line (restored Anisa's faith in romance!). She also contextualizes why Heart Pairing is better than a lot of other dating reality shows in the market. (Low on toxicity.) Leave us your COMMENTS here. Shows mentioned: Heart Pairing, Singles Inferno, Heart Signal, Love Is Blind. LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: Year-End Yak (Part 1) - Dramaland trends and K-variety recommendations! NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma.
An announcement about the future of the podcast
2026/05/18
This August, after 9 years, Dramas Over Flowers will be - as Khadija would like us to call it - reincarnating. We love you all very much. Leave us your comments here. LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL and ETERNAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons. ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa. Music is by Epidemic Sound.
Idol I, Undercover Miss Hong, No Tail To Tell [Long Yak]
2026/05/09
Anisa and Paroma recorded this episode as Ramadan was starting in February. So you will get some dated references. (Like them wondering if IU and Byeon Woo-seok will have any chemistry in the upcoming modern day prince drama (Yes, yes they do!)) Leave us your COMMENTS here. TIMESTAMPS: 00:58 No Tail To Tell (spoilers till ep 2) 21:06 Undercover Miss Hong (spoilers till ep 1) 36:55 Idol I (full review) LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: Dear X, Dynamite Kiss, You and Everything Else, Love's Ambition & More [Long Yak] NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma.
From Eye Love You to Romantics Anonymous: this is an era of Jdorama x Kdrama collab
2026/02/09
Korean-Japanese crossover dramas are a phenomenon that's building steam for a few years. Taking a look at the shows we have till now with Frabby (from crabbyfordramas.wordpress.com). (Paroma recorded this livestream for her YouTube Channel: The Drama Notes) TIMESTAMPS: Dramas as they first come up in the discussion: 00:00 Intro 06:00 First Love (2022) 08:45 Eye Love You (2024) 10:12 What Comes After Love (2024) 15:13 Romantics Anonymous (2025) 16:57 Kimbap and Onigiri (2026) 23:10 Winter Sonata (2002) 26:13 Marry My Husband Japan (2025) 30:30 Can This Love Be Translated? (2026) 32:40 Will You Be My Manager? (2025) 45:53 Unnatural (2018) 46:17 Full time wife escapist (2016) 47:55 Learning to Love (2025) 54:24 Orange Days (2004) 1:01:04 Friends (2002) 1:04:35 Soul Mate (2026) Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Frabby's blog that convinced me to like the AMNESIA trope (not the childhood romance got that wrong): https://share.google/rwGc8VvKtOJEv8sct LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by _____. Music is ___ by ____
Year-End Yak 2025 (Part 2) - News & Our Year in K-dramas
2026/01/26
In Part 2 of our 2025 wrap-up, we talk about major Dramaland news stories, and each of our favorite (and not-so-favorite) K-dramas of the year. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Kim Soo-hyun press conference clip about Kim Yoo-jung DOF's favorite OSTs of 2025 Oneus Kpop Demon Hunters covers: Golden, Your Idol, Soda Pop Sam Sanders' interview with a songwriter on Kpop Demon Hunters Video essay on the heroine's journey: Why Women Need Their Own Myth TIMESTAMPS: 00:01:59 News 00:36:34 Our Year in Dramas 01:48:11 Dramaland things that made us mad 01:59:45 Special interest corner Shows mentioned in order of first appearance: The Great Shaman Ga Doo Shim, The Moon Embracing the Sun, Can You Hear My Heart, The Queen’s Classroom, Kiss Sixth Sense, Signal, Culinary Class Wars, Genie, Make a Wish, The Price of Confession, You and Everything Else, Queen Mantis, Love Scout, Study Group, Unmasked, Nine Puzzle, Law in the City, Spring of Youth, Undercover High School, Spirit Fingers, Pro Bono, Smile You, Mobius, Marry My Husband Japan, A Dream Within a Dream, Resident Playbook, The Winning Try, When Destiny Brings the Demon, The Potato Lab, Romantics Anonymous, Moon River, The Best Thing, Love in the Clouds, Our Unwritten Seoul, Ms Incognito, The Witch, Nice to Not Meet You, Doubt LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode 191: Year-End Yak 2025 (Part 1): Dramaland trends and K-variety recommendations! NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa. Music is by Epidemic Sound.
Year End Yak 2025 (Part 1) - Dramaland trends and K-variety recommendations!
2026/01/11
Dramaland changes every year and 2025 was no different. Let's talk trends in productions, biggest hits and misses, and what we have been doing and watching outside K-dramas. We'll be back with Part 2 really soon, where we get into our most memorable dramas of the year. [This was live recorded for patreon in December. We have split and edited the episodes down for our podcast feed. You can still find the entire recording with video and audio chat on our patreon page.] Leave us your COMMENTS here. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Catching up 00:20:54 Trends in dramaland 00:52:45 K-Variety Dramas mentioned in this episode (in order): Would you marry me?, Perfect Marriage Revenge, Marry My Husband, The First Night with the Duke, Spirit Fingers, Study Group, Dear X, When the stars gossip, Genie make a wish, Hwarang, Unmasked, Trigger, Squid Game, Descendants of the Sun, Faith, Legend, Healer, Crash Landing on You, Lovely Runner, My Youth, Moon River, The Devil’s Plan, My Sibling’s Romance, Better Late than Single, Single’s Inferno, Mind the Noona Gap, Terrace House, Run Jin (Jonathan episode), Culinary Class Wars, Are Your Sure?, Keon’s Bizarre BnB, Jae friends, IU’s Pallette, My Little Old Boy (ep 471). LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Listen to our last episode here. NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma.
Dear X, Dynamite Kiss, You and Everything Else, Love's Ambition & More [Long Yak]
2025/12/17
Anisa and Paroma yak for a long time about all the dramas we've been watching - mostly K-dramas but also a few C-dramas. Plus we discuss the state of streaming, and the return of mid-budget dramas and old school tropes. Leave us your COMMENTS here. And don't forget to join us Sunday, December 21 at 11am ET for a live Year-End Yak! LINK TIMESTAMPS: 00:04:47 Dear X 00:12:10 You and Everything Else 00:22:28 Would You Marry Me 00:41:31 Last Summer 00:53:24 Dynamite Kiss 01:20:25 Bon Appetit Your Majesty 01:44:50 Love in the Clouds 01:52:19 Fated Hearts 01:57:29 Love's Ambition LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa. Music is by Epidemic Sound.
Romantics Anonymous, Genie, Make A Wish, Ms Incognito & More [Long Yak]
2025/11/06
Our November Yak covers a bunch of dramas we just started and one drama we needed to talk in depth about - Kim Eun-suk's Genie, Make a Wish. Join Paroma and Anisa as we get back into talking at you for 90 minutes again. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Paroma's video on Make a Wish Genie. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Hello! 01:20 Ms Incognito 10:30 My Troublesome Star 18:10 Romantics Anonymous 33:25 Typhoon Family 35:09 Oh My Ghost Client 43:26 Make a Wish, Genie LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode 188: The Rise of the Murder Rom-Com in K-Dramas NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma.
The Rise of the Murder Rom-Com in K-Dramas
2025/10/23
We talk about Anisa's grand theory of murder rom-coms - why they exist, when they work and when they don't, and what their rise means for K-drama trends. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Anisa's article for MENT Magazine: The Rise of the Murder Rom-Com Paroma's video about the return of old tropes in K-drama LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa. Music is Breathe Easy by Sarah, the Illstrumentalist.
Kpop Demon Hunters, Head Over Heels, Marry My Husband (Jdrama) (Long Yak)
2025/07/18
Halo! We are back with a new yak after a break. Anisa and Paroma catch you up on what we have been watching lately; some recommendations and some stay-aways! We also unnecessarily add to the hype around Kpop demon hunters with our own admiring words. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: "Keeping you obsessed": Netflix's demons vs. hunters movie captures the mystical allure of KPop [Link]Korean food deast: From kimbap to ramyeon, but hold the kimchi [Link]Jinu's seriously derpy tiger origin story [Link]Paroma's video on the two versions of Marry My Husband [Link]Interview with the writer and director of First Night with the Duke [Link]Explanation of some Korean in KPop Demon Hunters [Link] TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:54 KPop Demon Hunters 00:32:08 Law and the City 00:49:23 Head Over Heels 01:00:26 First Night with the Duke 01:27:16 Marry My Husband (Japan) 01:43:29 Second Shot at Love LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode: NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa.
2024 in Dramaland: Listener Goguma Awards (Year-End Yak)
2025/05/20
Part 2 of our year end yak is finally here! This is the episode where we go over the annual listener survey we do to find out what your drama year has been like. Which genres did you enjoy the most, what new dramas did you try out, what new difficulties have you faced accessing your favourite show? We talk about all of that with pie charts and laughter. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! PART 1 of the Year-End Yak: Episode 184 Our Personal Goguma Awards NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa
Love Scout, The Potato Lab, My Dearest Nemesis, The First Frost and more (Long Yak)
2025/03/18
Anisa and Paroma pop in before our next installment of the Year-End Yak to chat about currently airing dramas, including pretty much a full Spoiled Yak about Love Scout, which we ADORED. Paroma convinces Anisa to watch My Dearest Nemesis, Anisa laments the wasted potential of Melo Movie, and more. Leave us your COMMENTS here. TIMESTAMPS: 00:03:11 Love Scout 00:11:59 Love Scout SPOILERS 00:46:52 The Potato Lab 00:56:36 My Dearest Nemesis 01:12:17 Melo Movie 01:36:49 The Trauma Code: Heroes on Call 01:47:40 The First Frost 02:15:37 Fireworks of My Heart 02:21:27 Filter LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Anisa. Music from Epidemic Sound.
2024 in Dramaland: Our Personal Goguma Awards (Year-End Yak)
2025/02/21
In Part 1 of our (extremely belated) Year-End Yak for 2024, we talk Personal Gogumas - the awards the three of us want to give to the dramas we loved in 2024. Leave us your COMMENTS here. LINKS MENTIONED: Dramas Over Flowers' playlist of favorite 2024 OSTs as curated by Anisa TIME STAMPS: (These are questions we asked each other) 0:07:36 What’s a drama that surprised you? 0:46:20 A drama I'll remember 2024 for 0:54:15 An OST that stayed with us 1:03:21 Last minute watch that was totally worth it 1:07:00 A drama that got some wrong headed critique? 1:16:33 Mid or low budget drama you loved 1:22:43 Actors you want to highlight from 2024 1:35:45 A character that stayed with you all year/since you watched them 1:51:10 Most long-awaited comeback 1:59:46 Favorite couple/favorite romance 2:05:05 Actor that did the MOST in 2024 2:07:55 It started so well 2:11:49 Well that ended better than I expected 2:13:54 Two dramas you’ll recommend to your co-hosts? LEAVE US A REVIEW: Apple podcasts | Spotify | Audible! MORE EPISODES YOU MAY LIKE: Episode 183: Long Yak on Jeongnyeon: The Star is Born, The Trunk, When the Phone RIngs, & more NEWSLETTER: Join our email list for the monthly newsletter with podcast announcements and special episodes! PATRONS: SPECIAL THANK YOU to our beloved patrons for another year of helping us light the lanterns to sail our ship! Join it here! ❤︎ You can MAJORLY support us by leaving a review on your podcast app, or sharing the episode with friends! ❤︎ SOCIAL: Follow us on Twitter @dramasoverflow and Instagram @dramasoverflowers_. Email us at [email protected]. CREDITS: This episode was edited by Paroma. Music from Epidemic Sound.

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4.7 out of 5
72 reviews
★★★★★
FlaminGroovie 2025/03/21
Grateful
[episode: 1/17/22 When Dramas Ruin you for Real Life] Your mention of my beloved Shut Up, Flower Boy Band inspired me to drop everything and express m...
★★★★★
alwaysEmotionallyAnxious 2024/01/09
really enjoying 😊
I have really been enjoying this podcast, especially the analyses of all of the hosts. you can tell they care about the work and effort they put into ...
★★★★★
Doc Watson’s Kay 2023/10/22
Wonderful Podcast
This podcast got me through the pandemic. Their analyses are ALWAYS thought provoking and sometimes hilarious. I particularly love Paroma’s insights a...
★★★★★
Mooshkin16 2023/04/03
Enjoyable
I really like the discussions these hosts have about k-dramas. They go a bit deeper than other podcasts and each bring unique perspectives. Definite...
★★★★★
booksalot 2022/03/10
Insightful, fun, and thoughtful K-Drama Chat
When entering the world of k-drama, viewers could ask for no better guides than Anissa, Saya, and Paroma. These wonderful ladies provide recommendati...
★★★★★
subscriber already! 2021/05/21
My favorite Kdrama podcast by far
I was searching for a podcast to help me process a couple of K dramas that haunt me still. This one is by far the most interesting, nuanced and intel...
★★★★★
strawberryblueberryraspberry 2021/01/12
Always makes me laugh and smile
What a joy of a podcast! To be honest, I haven't been keeping up with kdramas, but I enjoy listening to Saya, Paroma, and Anisa so much that I stay up...
★★★★★
LA Zen 2020/12/08
Great podcast for Kdrama reviews and analysis
Excellent analysis-goes deep beyond just a critique of the entertainment value of a show. Entertaining, smart conversation. I turn to this show both f...
★★★★★
tantoona 2020/02/13
The Real Deal
I am so impressed with this podcast! This is the kind of in-depth drama commentary and analysis I’ve been looking for. These ladies know their stuff, ...
★★★★★
Mertseger 2018/11/13
A Broad Overview of Current KDramas
The hosts this podacst have a prodigious knowledge of world dramas with a particular focus on kdramas. This podcast is a great source for discussions ...
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