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John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase. Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like oranges, try their bitter, overweight cousin!" FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts. Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Restaurant To-Go Boxes: "Let the other half of your meal rot in your very own fridge!" FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland. Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.”    FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors. Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by French Fries: "Delicious for exactly five minutes. Then, completely inedible." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.  Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination. John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.  Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag.  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cellphone Flashlights: "If you're over 40, yours is probably on and you don't even know it." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance. Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is in and ponders the last time we had Aly as a guest and almost burned their friendship to the ground.  Meanwhile, Jonnie decides he is exactly as famous as he ever wants to be and wonders whether the world’s longest hotdog was even edible.  Plus, a discussion about a timely quote from the late Tim Keller about the gospel. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by To Go Boxes: "Can't finish your meal at the restaurant? Let it rot in your own fridge for a few days!"   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John forgets the lyrics to his own song and reveals his earliest childhood memory. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders "very special episodes" of 80's sitcoms that dealt with heavy issues and tells the tale of the heroic birds who ruined Hitler's Olympic Games in Berlin. Plus, the boys are joined by their good friend, singer/songwriter Caleb Christopher Edwards, to talk about his brand new project "Hoosierman: Volume II" (out now wherever you find your music.) Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Getting All The Grocery Bags Into The House In One Trip: "You did it, and now you can't feel your hands."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John changes his mind on a cheesy 90's song now that he's a girl dad and ponders whether aliens are real. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the commercial jingle that makes him homicidal and tells the insane story of the last bareknuckle boxing match. Plus, a conversation about friends, enemies, and the best revenge. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by July: "Water your plants all you want. They're already dead.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John plays basketball against some teenagers and finds out that George Lucas was just making Star Wars up as he went along. Meanwhile, Jonnie evicts his uninvited bird guests and complains about fast food prices like an old man shouting at the clouds. Plus, a conversation about why negativity is so easy and why hope takes courage. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Oranges: "Now 100% pulp!”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John passes a class without ever opening the textbook and ponders whether he used to preach too long. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if train travel is really safe and tells the story of a gift from France that came unassembled—and the strange political path it took to become our symbol of freedom. Plus, a conversation about justice, greatness, and the responsibility we have to one another. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Boba Tea: "The most refreshing choking hazard."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John does the work of 3 grown men and learns why Benjamin Franklin was a lot like Andre the Giant. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats the last ice cream bar while out on tour with another comedian and tells the tale of the Satanic Panic that helped start the Black Plague in the 1200’s.  Plus, a conversation about why it's so hard to make new friends as adults. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Kleptomaniacs: "We take things literally.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John avoids flying bread and questions whether the Apostle Paul was easy to get along with. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders his comedy origin story and tells the tale of the unfamous third man to walk on the moon. Plus, a conversation about coincidence, providence, and all the things we thought we wanted, but are glad we didn't get. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Movie Theatres: "Way more expensive than watching at home, but you also get to sit next to loud strangers." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

John wants his friends to be honest, even if it hurts—and gets hungry hearing about a tornado in England. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns exactly how many roller coasters it takes to make him nauseous and makes a joke at a "General Baptist" convention. Plus, a conversation about whether compromise is always a bad thing. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Message in a Bottle: "The least reliable way to mail something, and also littering!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.