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2017/11/02
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2026/10/16
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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s longest-running business podcasts, providing investors with unparalleled access to the ideas and insights of Australia’s leading fund managers, economists and industry experts. Learn how the industry’s best invest, with the help of Livewire’s James Marlay and Chris Conway. Whether you’re new to investing or a seasoned professional, this podcast is for you. New episodes are released every second Friday, available on Livewire Markets, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.
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30-year property veteran: The only cure for housing is pain
2026/10/16
Last time veteran property invesrtor Andrew Parsons joined The Rules of Investing, he warned that Australia had its head in the sand on the prickly issue of housing. Fast forward two years, and affordability and the supply of new housing remain unresolved. In this episode, Parsons breaks down the state of the property cycle and where Resolution Capital is identifying the strongest structural demand. He also shares a candid view on the challenge of affordable housing, which he says isn't unique to Australia.
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The Seven Deadly Sins of investing
2026/10/11
Dr David Allen from Plato Investment Management examines how behavioural biases shape investment decisions. His presentation covers overconfidence, the hot hand fallacy, loss aversion, anchoring, base rates, herding and confirmation bias.
Topics include:
What a sharp rebound in short positions taught Allen about complacency.
Why he questions the persistence of exceptional company growth.
How waiting to break even can influence decisions about losing holdings.
How a hypothetical IPO price can become a valuation anchor.
Why the search for the next NVIDIA should include historical success rates.
How Plato uses automated red flags to challenge company assessments. Allen concludes with the practical checks he advocates: express conviction as a probability, seek evidence that could disprove the thesis, reassess the portfolio from cash and systematise the investment process.
Chapters
0:00 The seven deadly sins of investing
1:45 Overconfidence: how good an investor are you?
5:52 The hot hand fallacy: chasing exceptional growth
8:08 Loss aversion: the urge to break even
10:47 Anchoring: when a price shapes your valuation
11:40 Base rates: could this be the next Nvidia?
14:09 Herding: the pull of the crowd
15:38 Confirmation bias and company red flags
17:21 Building a process to keep bias in check
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
Four megatrends you need to know about (and how to play them)
2026/10/09
A handful of powerful megatrends are driving trillions in investment. Here’s what’s behind them and how investors can gain exposure.
Speakers:
EQT’s Sam Franklin focused on the energy infrastructure needed to power the digital economy.
Munro Partners’ Nick Griffin argued the AI boom is only getting started.
Janus Henderson Investors’ Daniel Sullivan made the case for a new resources supercycle.
VanEck’s Jamie Hannah highlighted a transformation in global defence spending.
TIME CODES
00:15 – Sam Franklin (EQT)– The energy opportunity
02:50 – Energy demand is accelerating
05:05 – Why solar, batteries and gas are winning
07:06 – What EQT looks for in energy investments
11:04 – Nick Griffin (Munro Partners) – AI: The next great platform shift
13:49 – Why AI compute demand is exploding
16:44 – The ‘shovels’ powering the AI boom
19:43 – AI applications: Where the winners could emerge
23:00 – Daniel Sullivan (Janus Henderson Investors) – The new resources supercycle
25:45 – Critical minerals take centre stage
28:23 – Why copper is the backbone
30:39 – Building a resources portfolio
32:09 – Jamie Hannah (VanEck) – The global defence supercycle
34:09 – Where defence spending is going
36:01 – How investors can play defence
39:03 – The case for diversified defence exposure
41:11 – The OODA loop: Investing ahead of the market
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
Signal or noise? Three macro experts on what matters for your portfolio
2026/10/07
The winds of change are upon us. The forces currently shaping Australian and global markets feel more whipsaw and shape-shifting than ever before and investors today must contend with a far broader set of variables.
As Livewire’s Chris Conway put it: "When I was coming up, admittedly many moons ago in markets, there was only three things that you needed to pay attention to have a handle on the macro, and that was inflation, interest rates, and growth. Now we have to worry about policy mistakes, housing, AI, deglobalisation and US exceptionalism, to name but a few."
So is it the same game with more moving parts, or is it genuinely more complex? That’s the question we put to our panellists at Livewire Live:
Diana Mousina, Deputy Chief Economist at AMP;
Damien Boey, portfolio strategist at Wilson Asset Management; and
Roy Keenan, co-head of Australian Fixed Income of Yarra Capital.
Please note this panel was filmed 22nd September, one week prior to the RBA's September board meeting announcement.
Timecodes:
00:00 - Introduction & Market Complexity Poll
01:05 - Is the RBA Risking Over-Tightening Rates?
03:04 - Inflation Persistence vs. Consumer Resilience
05:09 - What the Bond Market Signals for RBA Policy
06:52 - Predictions for the Upcoming September RBA Meeting
08:51 - Housing Market Outlook & Correction Risks
11:26 - Banking Buffers & Equity Valuations
15:18 - Government Debt, Deficits & Central Bank Independence
21:22 - Asset Allocation in a High-Deficit Environment
23:05 - The Impact of AI, Data Infrastructure & Global Trade
28:11 - Rethinking US Exceptionalism & Australian Opportunities
34:16 - Q&A: Corporate Balance Sheets, Rate Cut Calls & Credit Markets
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
5 shocking predictions for 2027 and beyond
2026/10/06
5 Shocking Predictions brings together bold investment forecasts spanning Australian shares, bonds, Chinese technology, geopolitics and energy.
The presentations explore:
Why Dougal Maple-Brown thinks CBA could halve from its highs, and how CSL’s rebound illustrates valuation changes.
The case for bonds becoming equity diversifiers again if growth slows.
A forecast that China could produce the next trillion-dollar companies through AI progress and policy-backed investment.
A contentious interpretation of US–China rivalry, alongside an argument that bonds could rival shares over 30 years.
The case for an Australian gas boom as coal capacity retires and electricity and LNG feedstock needs create pressure for new supply.
Chapters
0:00 Why valuations matter: lessons from market giants
3:04 CSL’s valuation reset
4:14 Testing CBA’s valuation premium
7:08 US debt and the case for revisiting 60/40
10:38 The slowdown trade few investors want
14:34 China and the next trillion-dollar club
17:35 China’s chip ambitions and policy-backed contenders
22:03 Hormuz through the lens of US–China rivalry
26:42 Underwater data centres, robots and inflation
29:15 Could bonds rival shares over 30 years?
31:17 Australia’s looming electricity gap
34:53 The case for a new Australian gas boom
38:27 Gas exploration hotspots and investment implications
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
Where is the value on the ASX? 3 fund managers name their best ideas
2026/10/05
The ASX 200 looks expensive, economic growth is subdued, and higher interest rates are putting renewed pressure on valuations. But that doesn’t mean there’s no value left in the Australian market.
At Livewire Live, First Sentier Investors’ Dushko Bajic, L1 Capital’s James Hawkins and Ausbil Investment Management’s Arden Jennings were asked where they are still finding opportunities on the ASX.
All three are looking beyond the market’s largest companies, but their approaches differ considerably.
Bajic is finding opportunities in businesses exposed to major investment cycles, including electrification, AI infrastructure, defence and mining. Hawkins is backing a concentrated portfolio of companies where he sees clear paths to earnings growth, alongside defensive dividend payers. Jennings, meanwhile, sees an opportunity emerging in beaten-up Australian software stocks.
They also debate the outlook for interest rates, the impact of higher oil prices, what investors should avoid in the current environment and whether the ASX will be higher or lower 12 months from now. And when asked for their best ideas, they nominate three very different stocks: logistics software company WiseTech Global, electrical contractor Genus Plus and The Lottery Corporation.
Time Codes
0:00 – Market backdrop: why the ASX has lagged global markets
1:16 – AI, electrification and defence plays in small caps
4:34 – Three buckets: US earnings, commodities and defensives
6:54 – Index concentration and the case for active management
10:19 – How many more rate hikes, and how to position
16:12 – Reporting season takeaways
18:08 – CSL: when all the news is in the price
19:59 – Second-half skews and results-day volatility
22:00 – Where is the value? Small industrials and resources
24:40 – Why Australian software has lagged the US
28:30 – Capital management: buybacks vs dividends
31:40 – Stock pick: WiseTech
35:10 – Stock pick: Lottery Corporation
38:02 – Stock pick: Genus Plus and the index inclusion trade
40:18 – Audience Q&A: copper and software laggards
43:00 – Where will the ASX be in 12 months?
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
Five years from now, these are the companies everyone will wish they owned
2026/10/02
Five years ago, owning the right handful of global technology stocks could transform a portfolio. The challenge today is deciding whether the next five years will reward investors for sticking with those winners or looking somewhere else entirely. That was the question put to Antipodes Partners Portfolio Manager Vihari Ross and Ophir Asset Management Co-Founder and Senior Portfolio Manager Andrew Mitchell at Livewire Live.
Both believe opportunities remain within AI. But neither thinks the answer is simply buying the companies dominating today's headlines.
Ross is finding value further down the semiconductor supply chain, in businesses wrongly assumed to be AI casualties and in old-economy companies benefiting from powerful capital expenditure cycles. Mitchell, meanwhile, is looking for small and mid-cap companies where earnings, market share or structural advantages matter more than the prevailing narrative.
When asked to nominate the companies investors could wish they owned five years from now, they produced very different answers: a semiconductor giant, a US senior-living operator, and a little-known software company followed by just one analyst.
Time Codes
00:13 – Why look beyond Australia for growth?
02:20 – The advantages of investing globally
03:54 – Why global small caps offer a bigger opportunity set
06:11 – Revisiting Vihari’s Alphabet call
07:52 – The big questions occupying Ophir
09:21 – Where Antipodes sees value today
11:06 – Navigating market concentration and the AI trade
14:44 – Finding overlooked AI beneficiaries
19:23 – Opportunities beyond the AI boom
20:51 – Weir: Playing the mining capex cycle
22:23 – Ophir’s best performer: Silicon Motion
23:47 – Antipodes’ best performers
25:38 – Antipodes’ latest buys: Weir and Booking
27:20 – Ophir’s latest buy: APi Group
29:17 – Vihari’s stocks to own for the next five years
31:27 – Andrew’s five-year pick: Red Violet
32:46 – Why higher yields haven’t crushed US valuations
35:52 – Closing remarks
General Advice Warning
Livewire gives readers access to information and educational content provided by financial services professionals and companies (”Livewire Contributors”). Livewire does not operate under an Australian financial services licence and relies on the exemption available under section 911A(2)(eb) of the Corporations Act 2001 (Cth) in respect of any advice given. Any advice on this site is general in nature and does not take into consideration your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before making a decision please consider these and any relevant Product Disclosure Statement. Livewire has commercial relationships with some Livewire Contributors.
Soul Patts has 20% in cash. Todd Barlow says everything else has to earn its place
2026/09/30
Soul Patts has been investing for more than a century – but CEO Todd Barlow says today's market demands a very different playbook.
Speaking with Livewire Markets Co-Founder James Marlay at Livewire Live 2026, Barlow explains why Soul Patts is sitting on roughly 20% cash, why its exposure to listed equities has fallen dramatically, and why higher interest rates have raised the hurdle for taking risk. Barlow also discusses the opportunities Soul Patts missed in US technology, where it believes it has an edge in private credit, and why asset allocation can matter more than picking the next winning stock.
Coming up: Livewire Live 2026 Special Episodes
2026/09/30
We’re bringing the best of Livewire Live directly to your podcast feed!
Over the next week, we’re releasing a series of special episodes recorded live from our annual event, featuring an incredible lineup of Australia’s leading investors.
The topics range from asset allocation and investor psychology to Aussie and global shares, megatrends and of course our annual 5 shocking predictions.
We’ll return to our regular format in mid-October.
Why T. Rowe Price’s Iona Dent believes it’s not time to leave the equities party yet
2026/09/25
The S&P 500 is sitting near all-time highs, record IPOs are hitting the market, and investors have enjoyed a stellar three years of double-digit returns. It’s fair to say that the party in global equity markets is in full swing.
The yield on the US 10-year bond has surged to 5.11% - the highest level since July 2007. We all know how that party ended.
In this episode of The Rules of Investing, T. Rowe Price's Iona Dent explains why she believes the earnings story in equities outweighs concerns around rising bond yields and walks through the five dimensions of T. Rowe Price’s ‘bubble watch’ framework.
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Hofflin: Big moves are creating great value on the ASX
2026/09/18
Lazard Asset Management's Dr Philipp Hofflin explains how increasing volatility and reduced liquidity are creating opportunities, takes a look back at the “fallen angel” stocks he bought a year ago, and picks another beaten up stock that’s great value.
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The index is risky. Why Antipodes is finding value beyond the AI trade
2026/08/28
In this episode of The Rules of Investing, we discuss what value investing looks like in 2026, why market concentration has reached levels seen only a handful of times in history, and whether investors have been too quick to sort companies into AI winners and losers. We also explore the investment lessons Ross has carried through a 25-year career, and the US senior housing company she would be comfortable owning if markets closed for the next five years.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:40 How actuarial thinking shapes investing
6:10 Reviewing investment cases at Antipodes
9:58 What pragmatic value means in 2026
18:15 Why the index looks risky
22:25 Are hyperscalers actually expensive?
25:47 How concentrated is the AI trade?
34:05 Have investors misjudged AI winners and losers?
44:23 AI’s impact on energy demand
50:43 Lessons from a 25-year investing career
54:35 What investors are getting wrong
57:20 The one stock Vihari would hold for five years
Inside Schroders' inflation-beating 'sleep at night' portfolio
2026/08/14
No doubt fundamentals matter over time, but the extreme moves that we see in financial markets can make for a hair-raising ride and can often shake weak hands from their positions.
In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Sebastian Mullins offers real-world examples that highlight why paying attention to big-picture headlines matters and explains his value, cycle, liquidity (VCL) framework, which informs his asset allocation decisions. The episode also digs into why he is constructive on global equity markets, how he is playing it and presents a breakdown of the different tools that he uses to reduce risk in his portfolio.
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Two attributes to make you a better investor
2026/08/07
In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Qiao Ma of Munro Partners explains why curiosity and grit are essential traits for long-term investors. We discuss:
Why curiosity is central to Munro Partners’ investment process
How following bottlenecks can uncover overlooked investment opportunities
Why large-cap research can help identify tomorrow’s small and mid-cap winners
The challenge of balancing conviction with the possibility of being wrong
Why grit matters when investments do not work out
How Munro uses risk management to avoid letting losers dominate the portfolio
Where Ma is still finding opportunities in AI, power, travel and healthcare
How Howmet Aerospace and Acter emerged from deeper supply-chain research
The one investment Ma would make if markets closed for five years.
Guest from Munro Partners, a corporate authorised representative (CAR 1244894) of Munro Asset Management Limited (ACN 163 522 254) an Australian Financial Service licence holder (AFSL 480509). The information discussed in this podcast is for general information purposes only and is not financial advice. You should obtain independent advice from a licensed professional adviser before making any investment decision. The views held by Munro Partners are current at the time of recording and are subject to change. Past performance information given in this recording is for illustrative purposes only and should not be relied upon as an indication of future performance. The information in this podcast has been prepared without taking account of the objectives, financial situation, or needs of individuals. None of Munro Partners, its related bodies or associates nor any other person guarantees the repayment of capital or the performance of the Funds or any particular returns from the Funds. Information about the Munro funds is available at munropartners.com. Podcast recorded 31 July 2026.
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3 small caps powering Ryder Capital’s double-digit growth and fully franked dividends
2026/07/17
Ryder Capital has just clocked up its third consecutive year of 25% plus returns, and has been paying consistent, growing dividends since 2018. In this episode Lauren De Zilva explains how Ryder looks for mispriced opportunities and the thesis behind the firm's largest portfolio holding. She also shares two small-cap investments that meet Ryder’s disciplined investment process.
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