A Podcast with Charlie Swenson - To Hell and Back

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4.6
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110 episodes
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Date created
2017/12/04
Latest episode
2026/01/26
Average duration
58 min.
Release period
75 days

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This podcast series, “To Hell and Back,” is focused on the nature of hellish experiences in life, how people get into them, and to present and discuss tools for coping with hell and getting out. The various podcasts will move back and forth between different varieties of hell in life, and different tools for coping. The tools will be drawn from dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), from other treatments, and from other life experiences.

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Dialectics, Democracy, Tyranny, Trump, and the American Way – Episode 125
2026/01/26
In the wake of the recent killing by federal agents of two adults in Minneapolis, this podcast represents an attempt to deepen my perspective on these events, on Donald Trump, and on the forces in our country that have supported him. I close with some thoughts about how to counter him in the coming days. View video version of this podcast
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Does DBT Work as a Model for Understanding and Addressing a Fascist Takeover? – Episode 124
2025/09/23
DBT’s emphasis on behavioral specificity, validation, and dialectical thinking, while effective for therapy, must be sufficiently grounded in deep moral convictions and motivational forces if it is to be used to address a fascist takeover of our society. View video version of this podcast
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Bystanders Get Off the Sidelines Please – Episode 123
2025/08/15
In this podcast Charlie reviews the six categories of people in the United States insofar as they are actors in the drama between democracy and authoritarianism, highlighting where it might be possible to change the momentum. He then discusses the role of “bystanders” and the psychology of bystanders, with a plea to convert bystanders to more active participants View video version of this podcast
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Nuggets of Gold in Piles of Sand – Episode 122
2025/08/12
In this podcast, Charlie reflects on a recent consultation as a window into the way in which memory is tethered to certain moments, as an example of Linehan’s metaphor for validation as finding a nugget of gold in a pile of sand, and as a segue into the integration of DBT and depth psychology in therapy. View video version of this podcast
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Amputation of Morality: What to Do About It? – Episode 121
2025/07/03
The perspective within this podcast is that our current political process is seriously dysfunctional, having been taken over by decision-makers who seem disconnected from normal human morality. After noticing the resemblance of that process to what goes on in mob organizations and families, and in some families where incest occurs, we will identify the various roles in this ugly process and consider what can be done to improve things. View video version of this podcast
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Getting Out of Hell and Into Reality – Episode 120
2025/06/16
This podcast focuses on the fact that we spend most of our lives living in the stories we tell ourselves about reality, but not in reality itself. Hear how DBT helps us to find our way back to reality, and how doing so increases the quality of our lives and the lives of those around us View video version of this podcast
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What the f**k? Dialectics and Improvisation in Therapy and Everyday Life – Episode 119
2025/05/29
In this podcast, I explore what is meant by dialectics in general, dialectics in the practice of DBT, and especially what it takes to “do dialectics-in-action.” It’s way more common and profound than simply applying dialectical strategies to certain situations. View video version of this podcast
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Wise Mind, Polarization, Dialectics, and Stopping Fascism – Episode 118
2025/05/19
In this podcast, the third in a series, I clarify the place of dialectics in DBT as an antidote to polarization. Using some case examples, I detail how one might use dialectics. Then I bring the same lessons into finding a way to deal with political polarization and what appears to be a fascist takeover. By the end of my search, I find a way. View video version of this podcast
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Learning to Say No Effectively to Fascism – Episode 117
2025/05/01
To say NO to the forces and practices of fascism in the U.S., effectively enough to stop it, can be frightening. We will borrow from the DBT skills training model, explaining ways to acquire, strengthen, and generalize the skill of saying NO in hopes that each of us can find our voice and make a difference. View video version of this podcast
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When Hell is an Attack on Democracy – Episode 116
2025/04/20
In this podcast, Charlie draws from DBT in search of ways to understand the current assault on democracy in the United States, and to become more effective at taking care of oneself and acting more effectively. View video version of this podcast
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Adapting DBT Skills When Working with Autistic Individuals – Episode 115
2023/04/26
In this episode, the fourth in a series on autism and DBT, Charlie is again joined by Amara Brooke and Rachel Kraus, two DBT therapists who are autistic and who have subspecialties in working with autistic clients. Our focus here is entirely on the application and adaptation of DBT skills in the work with autistic individuals. Which skills work well as they are? Which skills require adaptation in order to work well with this population? Which skills can actually make things worse if you aren’t mindful of autistic features? Please rate, review, and write to me with comments and questions. View video version of this podcast
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Challenging, Changing Course, Reframing. Irreverence in Therapy and Life – Episode 114
2023/04/06
In this episode, Charlie explains, and gives lots of examples of, being irreverent in therapy. What is the essence? What is the point? Why is it important to do? Why is it hard to do? What are the forms irreverence can take? What are some tips for becoming irreverent? View video version of this podcast
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Top Ten Tips for Adapting DBT to Autistic Clients – Episode 113
2023/03/30
Charlie moderates a discussion between Amara Brook and Rachel Kraus, both of whom are DBT-informed therapists with subspecialties treating autistic and ADHD individuals, as they come of with ten things to consider when adapting DBT to autism. In the next episode after this one, the same guests will specifically address how to modify DBT skills in working with autistic clients. View video version of this podcast
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Do we use DBT to target autism? No – Episode 112
2023/03/24
Charlie talks further with Amara Brook about autism, neurodiversity, and DBT: how can DBT be adapted, not to target autism itself, but to help autistic folks succeed at their own life-worth-living goals; how can we apply DBT’s bio-social theory in understanding and treating autistic individuals; and what are the barriers for autistic individuals in becoming DBT therapists? View video version of this podcast
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Autism, Neurodiversity and DBT – Episode 111
2023/03/16
It seems that the world is paying more and more attention to autism in particular and neurodiversity in general. Beginning with this episode, Charlie talks with Amara Brooke, Ph.D., about autism, neurodiversity, and ways of adapting DBT to help an autistic individual reach their life-worth living goals. Tune in for this three-episode special conversation, which will eventually lead to ten tips for adapting DBT therapy with autistic people, and then on to what is meant by the Universal Design for Learning. View video version of this podcast
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4.6 out of 5
131 reviews
TJMunk 2024/05/24
A great complement to a DBT Skills Class
S someone do has been being treated in DBT for over a year, I find this podcast extremely helpful. It goes further on the skills, helps me generalize...
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Shilih654 2022/11/27
Words of Wisdom
I’m so grateful I found this podcast with Charlie and Nicole. I’m working my way through all of them. Whether you know a lot about DBT or are new to t...
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MovingCenter 2023/04/04
Bring back Nicole!
I’m so disappointed that Nicole is not present in recent episodes. Her warm intelligence and compassion are missed. She brought the show to life.
rosario Betran 2022/11/22
Great podcast!
I really love Nicole’s voice and perspective on the show, my favorite episode by far is Identity Grammar. Listening made me feel seen and understood ...
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MPR397 2022/11/22
A Wonderful Exploration of Human Experience
Stimulating & Fascinating! Charlie & Nicole explore topics that we consciously or subconsciously struggle with every day- helping to define and refine...
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a parent looking for help 2022/08/07
Great resource for family members trying to help a loved one
Thank you for explaining the skills in detail and with examples. I have just started listening and learning the nuances in using the skills.
jannejmn 2021/01/04
Grateful you’re back!
I appreciate your podcast very much and I’m so grateful to see you are back! I miss listening to you🙏🤗
social sharing wont work 2022/01/11
Good show but has background noise
Kept hearing someone clear their throat every few minutes which made it hard to hear the speaker
Dialectic dummy 2020/09/25
Useful both professionally and personally
As clinician interning at a fully adherent DBT clinic, Dr. Swenson’s podcast is incredibly useful both personally and professionally. Dr. Swenson’s ab...
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Mama23kids 2019/09/06
Useful and inspiring
As a DBT therapist, I have loved this podcast. I have also recommended it to family and clients. Charlie has a gift for bringing the skills to life wi...
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