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Mr. Bill joins Poducer for an NSW collaboration episode about music production, creativity, technology, and the future of making music. We get into his early days on YouTube, burnout, social media, his live AV setup, vibe coding, custom Ableton tools, AI, and why he believes making something genuinely great matters more than constantly making content. Follow Mr. Bill https://mrbillstunes.com/ Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 0:00 Intro 2:10 Mr. Bill’s First Concert 5:34 Getting Into Music Production & Early YouTube 11:48 Burnout, Creativity & Staying Inspired 15:15 Social Media vs. Making Great Work 20:06 Starting Over as a Producer Today 26:46 Podcasting & Having Better Conversations 36:31 Quality Over Quantity 44:25 Inside Mr. Bill’s Live AV Setup 53:59 Becoming Technically Minded 56:34 Vibe Coding & Building Producer Tools 59:51 Mr. Bill’s Ableton Project Browser 1:18:39 Using AI to Code Without Knowing Code 1:25:05 AI, Music Production & Advice for Producers 1:29:24 Meditation, Purpose & Burnout 1:38:46 Audio Classification & Problems AI Still Can’t Solve 1:44:28 Will Better Tools Actually Make Better Music?

MUZZ joins us backstage at Electric Forest 2026 for a conversation about his journey into drum & bass, the importance of concept albums, and why he believes the genre has so much more to offer than what's currently on the surface. We discuss how MotorStorm and Pendulum inspired his career, his passion for cinematic world-building in projects like F Minor Factory, why he's stepping back from touring to focus on creating deeper, more ambitious records, and his advice for new fans looking to explore the rich history of drum & bass. Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 Intro 00:20 Discovering Drum & Bass 03:11 Concept Albums & World Building 05:02 Production & Creative Process 10:14 What's Next for MUZZ? 11:18 The Growth of Drum & Bass 15:01 Outro

Couch stopped by to chat with us at Electric Forest about life on the road, staying independent, and building a band from the ground up. We talked about their evolution from FaceTiming song ideas in college to recording their album Big Talk with $15k mics, what it takes to stay self-managed without a label, and pinch-me moments like selling out Roadrunner in Boston and hearing fans sing along in Stockholm. Plus first concerts, band dynamics, and a chicken parm debate. A fun, honest conversation with a band that's earned every bit of their success. Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 - Intro & First Impressions of Electric Forest 01:11 - "What Was Your First Concert?" 02:56 - "How's the Chicken Parm?" 03:56 - "What's Van Life Like With the Group?" 05:19 - "How Has Your Songwriting Process Changed?" 09:58 - "How Do You Know When to Step Back on Stage?" 13:24 - "What Have You Learned Staying Independent?" 19:38 - "Have You Had an 'I Can't Believe This Is Happening' Moment?" 22:36 - "What Actually Makes You Feel Successful?" 25:21 - "Where Do You See Yourselves in a Few Years?" 27:46 - Wrap Up & Thanks

We caught up with Close Friends Only backstage at Electric Forest 2026 to talk about their first Forest, the origins of the Boom Boom Room, building a community through authenticity, their rise from Twitch streams to festival stages, and why "Hug Your Homies" has become their motto. If you enjoyed the episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and let us know who we should interview next! Poducer: The Podcast for Producers features conversations with producers, DJs, artists, and music industry professionals about the creative process and the stories behind the music. Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast #CloseFriendsOnly #ElectricForest #EDM #MusicPodcast #Poducer

The Podcast for Producers Dr. Ushūu returns to Poducer for a deep conversation about his new 140 era, the rise of “Camden Town,” rediscovering why he loves making music, and learning how to stop overcomplicating creativity. We talk about the shift from heavy dubstep into deeper, dance-focused 140, going viral by simply enjoying his own music, rebuilding his artist identity around who he actually is, and the mental health realities that come with touring, comparison, pressure, and trying to survive as an artist. Follow Dr. Ushūu Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danyushuu/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5UCxi2O9gdyXj7fNgQE9xR SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/danyushuu Follow Poducer Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 Intro 02:10 Reassessing life, music, and turning 27 04:51 The Instagram post that changed everything 12:20 Hitting rock bottom and posting honestly 16:23 The set that reignited his passion for music 20:03 Separating “Dr. Ushūu” from Dany 24:23 Why simple music makes people dance 31:25 Stop trying to sound like everyone else 43:59 Artists as startups and music as a product 49:10 The meaning behind the Camden Town rollout 54:56 Learning self respect and confidence 1:03:55 Dubstep niches and evolving as an artist 1:23:04 The highs and lows of being an artist 1:29:58 Therapy, burnout, and mental health 1:40:44 Health, touring, and the long game 1:41:30 NSW Chicago show plug & outro

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Wreckno and Gardella pull up for a chaotic, funny, and honest conversation about bass music, queer identity in EDM, social media burnout, and the reality of building a career in electronic music. A big part of this episode dives into Wreckno’s experience navigating the scene as a queer and gender non-conforming artist, the evolution of inclusivity in dance music, and how representation in bass music has changed over the years. They also talk about rave culture, self-expression, and why creating space for people to fully be themselves matters. Outside of that, the conversation spirals into Survivor audition tapes, trap-era nostalgia, getting kicked off stage at Brillz shows, algorithm fatigue, touring life, and the weirdness of being an artist online in 2026. Follow Wreckno https://www.instagram.com/wreckno/ Follow Gardella https://www.instagram.com/gardellaaa/ Poducer Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/poducer Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 Intro 03:08 First concerts 06:27 Defining “cunty dubstep” 08:47 Queer identity and representation in EDM 12:35 Rave culture, PLUR, and self expression 25:38 Fan interactions and being visibly queer on stage 31:23 Fighting the algorithm as an artist 40:42 Personal mantras and creative philosophy 42:37 “What we’re selling is not what they’re selling” 46:25 Game changing concerts 49:20 Empty rooms, flop shows, and touring realities 52:59 Carnage, trap music, and the golden era of EDM trap 59:25 Final shoutouts 1:00:40 Outro

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Jerry sits down with PAV4N, legendary MC, rapper, and founding member of Foreign Beggars, for one of the most in-depth conversations in Poducer x NSW yet. This episode explores UK rave culture, drum and bass history, MC culture, bass music, and PAV4N’s journey from growing up between Dubai and the UK to becoming one of electronic music’s most respected voices. PAV4N https://www.instagram.com/pav4nco/ https://linktr.ee/pav4n PAV4N reflects on his earliest musical memories, from hearing rock, hip-hop, and metal through his family to discovering jungle tape packs and early UK rave culture as a teenager. He shares firsthand stories about MC culture, sound system tradition, and how those underground scenes spread before streaming and social media. Jerry and PAV4N also dig into identity, belonging, and how growing up Indian between different worlds shaped his perspective. PAV4N opens up about reconnecting with his heritage through his solo work, using Hindu mythology and visual storytelling in a way that feels both personal and intentional. The conversation also explores the rise of Foreign Beggars, the making of I Am Legion with Noisia, and what it was like witnessing the Skrillex era and electronic music’s rapid evolution up close. PAV4N also speaks candidly about grief, losing Metropolis, and what it means to carry forward a legacy while continuing to grow as an artist. This episode is packed with history, perspective, and stories from someone who has lived through multiple eras of music culture. Poducer Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/poducer Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 0:00 Intro / PAV4N Joins the Show 1:08 Early Music Memories / First Concert 8:48 Growing Up Between Dubai and the UK 18:26 Discovering Jungle / Starting to Rap 23:18 MC Culture and UK Rave History 33:52 Identity, Heritage, and Solo Evolution 48:22 Collaborations / Bass Music and Career Growth 57:10 Grief, Legacy, and Losing Metropolis 1:02:54 Noisia, Foreign Beggars, and I Am Legion 1:21:47 Skrillex, the Lost Album, and Outro

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Super Future and Daggz join Jerry on Poducer, the podcast for producers, to talk about life as touring DJs, music production, and the realities of building a career in electronic music. From bass music and DJ culture to burnout and creativity, this episode covers what it really takes to sustain a long-term path as an artist. Follow Super Future & Daggz: Super Future https://www.instagram.com/superfuturedj/ Daggz https://www.instagram.com/daggz/ They discuss becoming fathers while actively touring, how it changed their priorities, and why it actually made them more focused and productive in the studio. The conversation also dives into burnout, overcommitting, and learning how to balance touring, releases, and personal life. On the production side, they break down their musical roots, from metal and hip-hop to house and bass music, and how those influences shaped their sound. They also talk about the current state of bass music, DJing for different crowds, and how community plays a major role in the electronic music scene. Poducer Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/poducer Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 Intro + Cult of Cube story 02:50 First concerts + early influences 04:45 First electronic music experiences 10:30 Becoming dads + what actually changes 17:30 Time management, touring, and burnout 23:10 Creativity, purpose, and community 29:30 Musical roots (metal, hip-hop, house) 40:00 Bass music scene + crowd dynamics 55:30 Current projects + what’s next

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Jerry sits down with Loqum to talk about club music, cultural identity, and finding your sound within a globalized music landscape. The conversation covers Loqum’s roots in Turkey, his journey into Chicago’s dance music scene, and how genres like footwork, juke, and jungle continue to evolve today. Loqum Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_loqum/ Linktree https://linktr.ee/loqum Loqum shares how his background shaped his approach to music, from classical training to playing in metal bands, and eventually discovering electronic production and DJing. Jerry and Loqum dive into how Chicago’s dance music culture influenced his sound, and why the city continues to play such a major role in shaping global club music. The conversation also explores the deeper context behind genres like footwork and juke. Beyond just patterns and sounds, they talk about the culture, history, and communities that define these styles, and why understanding that matters more than ever in an era of fast content and instant access. They also get into topics like gatekeeping vs accessibility, the impact of the internet on music discovery, and how oversaturation is changing the way artists build careers. Loqum shares his perspective on respecting the origins of genres while still pushing things forward creatively. Toward the end, they talk about live performance, DJing for dancers vs listeners, and the importance of real-world experiences in a time where so much of music exists online. The episode closes with reflections on community, collaboration, and what it means to truly contribute to a scene. Poducer Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/poducer Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Jerry sits down with Ben Moskow (The Real Ones) to talk about independent media, podcasting, and the evolving creator economy. The conversation covers Ben’s background in media, how The Real Ones started, the rise of Substack and newsletters, and what it takes to build sustainable independent platforms in an increasingly crowded media landscape. Ben Moskow Instagram https://www.instagram.com/ben.m/ Real Ones https://realonesshow.com/ https://www.youtube.com/@UC0pWzldmto6M2HTOYv8S6eg https://www.tiktok.com/@realonesshow Ben shares how The Real Ones grew out of a desire to document artists early in their careers and create space for deeper conversations outside the traditional press cycle. Jerry and Ben discuss the role independent media can play in music scenes, especially when smaller platforms highlight emerging artists and communities that larger outlets often overlook. The conversation also dives into the evolution of podcasting itself. What started as a grassroots medium where anyone could start a show has become a far more competitive space, particularly as celebrities and major public figures have entered the format. Jerry and Ben explore how that shift has changed the way audiences discover and engage with shows. They also discuss the broader creator ecosystem, including platforms like Substack and the growing interest in building direct relationships with audiences through newsletters and independent media channels. Toward the end, the conversation turns to the realities of sustaining independent projects today, from audience attention to the economics of building a platform that can last. Poducer Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/poducer Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 0:00 Intro 4:24 The Origin Story of The Real Ones 11:10 Consistency, Video, and Building Momentum 14:06 Pitching Artists and Why Generic Emails Fail 25:22 Ben’s Role as Co-Founder and How The Real Ones Operates 31:14 Taking Political Stands as a Media Platform 35:32 Team Dynamics, Shared Values, and What Makes the Cut 38:17 Hooky vs Bait Content 43:05 Adapting to Algorithms and Short-Form Content 50:37 Media Platforms and Publications That Inspired The Real Ones 57:51 Chicago Media, Collaboration, and the “Rising Tide” Idea 1:05:16 Artist vs Media Personality in the Modern Internet Era 1:08:14 When Celebrities Took Over Podcasting 1:12:09 Artist vs Personality and Building an Audience 1:18:18 Centralization vs Decentralization in Music Media 1:24:15 Nardwuar, Patience, and Earning Access 1:29:38 Learning How to Interview 1:37:24 First Concert and First Festival Memories 1:44:33 Venue Economics, Free Water, and the Cost of Running Spaces 1:49:00 Most Impactful Concert Experiences 1:55:36 Future Goals for The Real Ones 2:02:08 The Role of Money in Independent Media 2:08:23 Final Shoutouts 2:13:34 Outro

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers On this episode of Poducer, Jerry sits down with Neumonic, Northern Road, and Kiefer Ian for a conversation about the realities of building a career in electronic music. The discussion moves from early influences and first concerts into the path from DJing to producing, and how artists eventually find the sound that feels like their own. Neumonic talks about landing in the UK garage lane after years of DJing across genres, and how committing to that direction helped everything start to click. The group also dives into the modern production landscape, including the rise of sample packs, the temptation of drag-and-drop workflows, and why developing a real sound still takes intention and practice. They also get into the process of improving as a producer. Neumonic shares lessons from Justin Jay’s production bootcamp, the mindset of finishing songs instead of stacking loops, and how mentorship and creative constraints can help break through creative blocks. Toward the end, the conversation shifts to the business side of music. From touring burnout to the real economics behind show fees and promotion, the episode offers an honest look at what it takes to keep building a sustainable project while still keeping the joy of making music alive. Join the Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Follow Neumonic https://linktr.ee/Neumonic Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00 Intro 00:31 First concert memories 02:33 How Neumonic got into producing 05:34 Why production has gotten easier (and the loop problem) 12:22 Early recognition and the “make a bad song” challenge 16:05 Finishing tracks, practice, and Justin Jay bootcamp 24:55 Early influences, UKF, and dubstep roots 33:15 Touring burnout and the real economics of shows 39:06 Working in music beyond releases (label, stages, ads) 43:16 Promoting, backend deals, and percentage cuts 55:40 Favorite director tangent (Tarantino) 57:25 Gamechanging show and UKG in London 1:02:12 What’s next (Mission Ballroom, Coachella, Red Rocks) 1:05:36 Where to find Neumonic

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers In this episode of Poducer, the podcast for producers, we sit down with VCTRE (Vector), a Denver-based producer and artist navigating the balance between creativity, consistency, and building a sustainable lane in today’s music world. From curating his own shows and designing the full experience around them to figuring out how to promote without feeling corny, VCTRE breaks down what it looks like to take real ownership over your project instead of waiting for opportunities to show up. We talk about why just posting a flyer doesn’t cut it anymore, how his relationship with content changed, and what finally clicked for him about being himself online. On the creative side, we get into remix culture, jumping into trends without losing your identity, and how he decides what to release when he’s sitting on a ton of music. VCTRE opens up about moving away from “producing for producers,” trusting his own taste more, and finding inspiration in underground scenes, SoundCloud rabbit holes, and organic collaborations. We also touch on the less glamorous parts of the process: managing an ADD brain, staying productive without burning out, building routines (including the gym arc), and keeping music exciting when it starts to feel like work. We wrap with reflections on community, curated shows vs chasing hype, collaboration over isolation, and how to keep building a long-term vision without losing the joy of making music in the first place. Join the Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Follow VCTRE https://www.vctre.net Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters 00:00:07 Cold open 00:02:26 What’s new with VCTRE 00:02:46 Building your own shows 00:06:42 Being yourself online 00:10:34 Staying productive with ADD brain 00:14:16 Gym routine + structure 00:22:42 Remix culture + trends 00:29:05 Finding music on SoundCloud 00:44:59 Stop producing for producers 00:47:49 Long-term vision + community 01:04:15 Avoiding burnout 01:17:14 Outro

Poducer | The Podcast for Producers Richard Finger pulls up to Poducer for pure chaos, Red Rocks stories, internet conspiracies, and how a joke project turned into a real movement. Join the Discord https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Follow Richard Finger https://richardfinger.com/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnj8v9ybAL8ugNjc9RHHQhFqZntJpF5I8zUhGgrW40pdZ5GMHXX9lNP_yuvA4_aem_bj-btiQ2nel-YTw1nVug0A Follow Poducer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast

In this episode of Poducer, we sit down with Shami Sosa, a Chicago-based media producer, musician, and community builder whose work lives at the intersection of creativity, technology, and culture. From growing up immersed in photography and graffiti to producing music and building community spaces, Shami shares how wearing many hats shaped his creative identity. We dig into his journey from making early beats on cracked software to working with major brands and music tech companies, navigating trade shows like NAMM, and building Parallel Play, a listening room and learning space in Humboldt Park. Shami talks about finding opportunities through relationships, why showing up matters, and how community and consistency open doors in the long run. On the creative side, we get into hands-on gear talk with the Orchid synth, why limitations can spark better ideas, and how video games, sound design, and media production influence his musical process. We also talk about content creation in the algorithm era, balancing authenticity with production quality, and why originality and intention matter more than chasing trends or the newest gear. We wrap with reflections on culture, identity, staying grounded in creative industries, and what it means to keep building without losing the joy of making things. The Podcast for Producers Join the Discord! https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Follow Poducer: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PoducerPodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Chapters: 00:00 Intro & Profile 01:08 Who is Shami Artist + Producer + Maker 02:03 Parallel Play & Community Spaces 10:18 Orchid Gear Demo & Creative Process 16:47 NAM Experiences & Music Tech Biz 30:13 Video Games & Sound Design Influence 40:00 Collaborations & Networking in Music Tech 51:17 Content Creation & Algorithms 1:02:24 Creativity vs. Consumption 1:25:28 Life, Art, Culture & Identity

In this episode of Poducer, we sit down with Combine, a producer and DJ whose sound lives at the intersection of engineering precision and creative risk. From growing up in North Wales to building a life between Oregon, touring, and a demanding day job, Combine talks about staying consistent while still pushing his own artistic lane. We dig into why originality isn’t optional, why the scene remembers the pace-setters, and how developing your own methods is the only way to build a lasting sound. Combine breaks down his influences, collaboration process, and why chasing trends leads to forgettable music. On the technical side, we get into building tracks from scratch in Serum, using spectrograms and visual tools to solve mix problems, dialing loudness without ugly artifacts, and why kick/sub phase alignment matters for real-world playback. We wrap with DJ life, gear goals, and game influences like Half-Life and Doom. The Podcast for Producers Join the Discord! https://discord.gg/qSaPcpJAET Follow Poducer: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/poducerpodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PoducerPodcast TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@poducerpodcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/28RT0Mv5mMFr2ozrO2dav Apple Podcasts: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poducer/id1327594929 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/poducerpodcast Follow Combine: https://linktr.ee/ken.combine?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnUUalIboMDJ9-8hEMaWj58jQgj9PqW8bE3hO_I0FlVexbO4lp4qi84aIGJ_A_aem_TCYULAfLZwE2GolchON4hA