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Hugh reunites with MPR's patron, Peter Cleave ONZM, to discuss where we are as a nation with regard to the Treaty of Waitangi one year on from their initial conversation. To request a copy of Peter's book "Trick or Treaty" email [email protected]. A podcast produced by Manawatū People's Radio with the assistance of New Zealand On Air.

Waitangi Day and the Treaty of Waitangi occupy a complicated place in New Zealand's public consciousness, especially in light of the current debate around David Seymour's Treaty Principles Bill. In this special longform interview for Waitangi Day 2025, Hugh talks to Dr Peter Cleave about this complex and difficult history. Dr Peter Cleave has been involved with retention and development of Te Reo Māori since the 1970s, holding numerous teaching roles at all levels. He has been both an academic and a broadcaster in Te Reo Māori, and was named an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit in 2025 for services to Māori language education. A podcast produced by Manawatū People's Radio with the assistance of New Zealand On Air.