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100 episodes
Language
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Andrew Bisharat & Chris KalousExplicit
Yes
Date created
2018/02/02
Latest episode
2026/01/30
Average duration
80 min.
Release period
19 days
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Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.
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The RunOut #162: Mary Eden on her ascent of Century Crack
2026/01/30
Mary Eden is known on Instagram as Trad Princess but in real life, she’s one of the sport’s best offwidth crack climbers. Recently she acheived the first female ascent of Century Crack, perhaps the world’s longest and hardest wide roof crack.
But first, we talk about what everyone’s talking about. Alex Honnold and Taipei 101. To listen to the full intro bit, however, you’ll need to head over to Patreon.com/runoutpodcast to become a supporter of the show. With just a few more subscribers, we’ll make as much money as Honnold did free soloing Taipei.
Today’s final bit comes from the heavy metal band Bygone, with Canmore-based climber Noah Stachulski on guitar. When Noah’s not contemplating dry-tooling ethics, he’s debating his music bros on how to classify different genres of metal. Little surprise these the two worlds go together so well.
Show Notes
Mary Eden Becomes First Woman to Send ‘Century Crack’ (5.14b) https://www.climbing.com/news/mary-eden-trad-princess-first-female-ascent-century-crack/
Follow Mary Catherine Eden on Instagram https://instagram.com/tradprincess
Alex Honnold Completes Historic Live Climb of Taipei 101 https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/how-to-watch-alex-honnold-skyscraper-climb-live-netflix
Bygone on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7ii5T8TaNV9XpG2mOkwslf?si=yqRUoJa3QzG11wC4oxoKKg
Follow Noah Stachulski on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/atthemountainsofradness/
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The RunOut #161: The man who wants to reinvent comp climbing, Charlie Boscoe
2026/01/12
Just when you though you understood what a zone hold was … Hasn’t the comp climbing format already been “solved?” Some think there is room for improvement, including Charlie Boscoe, an alpinist turned World Cup commentator. He is the co-founder of the Professional Climbing League, a new comp series launching in London on February 28.
But first, Chris sings praise of a crag where people know how to operate, and the wheat is separated from the chaff. Unfortunately, it turns out the chaff is Andrew.
For our final bit, friend of the show Christopher Parker returns with the namesake track off his new album, Withered Roses, dropping January 30th.
Show notes
Professional Climbing League: https://www.proclimbing.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ProClimbingLeague
Follow the PCL: https://www.instagram.com/proclimbingleague/
Follow Charlie Boscoe: https://www.instagram.com/charlieboscoe1/
Western Sloper: https://www.wolverinepublishing.com/shop-all-guidebooks/p/western-sloper-4th-edition
Christopher Parker Music: https://christopherparkermusic.com
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6qZrlQIIBrZGDvx69AXmus?si=try9WEw7T86bNvCw770smQ
Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/christopher-parker/9258292
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The RunOut #160: How Lara Neumeir Climbs with Composure and Control
2025/12/13
Lara Neumeier is a German climber known for her composure on demanding, heady terrain. Her notable ascents include a repeat of Psychogramm (5.14a trad), Silbergeier and End of Silence—two of the iconic multipitch alpine routes that form Europe’s so-called Alpine Trilogy—as well as El Corazón and the Pineapple Express on El Capitan.
Before diving into Lara’s climbing and approach to mental strength, we open with a conversation about the benefits—and potential pitfalls—of choosing a climber as your partner for life, both on and off the rock.
This episode’s final bit comes from Dave Pomeranz, a longtime climber balancing life as a dad and guitarist while roaming the American West. His band, Whale Fall, contributes the track “The Dawn Thief,” inspired by long night drives through deserts and mountains on the way to climb.
Show Notes
Follow Lara Neumeier: https://www.instagram.com/laraneumeier/
Pineapple Express: https://www.planetmountain.com/en/news/climbing/lara-neumeier-nemuel-fuerle-repeat-el-nino-via-pineapple-express-el-capitan-yosemite.html
Psychogramm news: https://www.lacrux.com/klettern/lara-neumeier-zeigt-nervenstarke-erste-frauenbegehung-von-trad-route-psychogramm/
Thomas Huber: The Day I Sent End of Silence: https://eveningsends.com/thomas-huber-the-day-i-sent-the-end-of-silence/
Whale Fall on Bandcamp https://whalefall.bandcamp.com
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
The RunOut #159: Fallon Rowe Climbs Through Trauma and Into Strength
2025/11/26
Fallon Rowe is a climber, writer, coach, teacher, researcher, and many more things. Her new book is called Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival. Beyond discussing the traumatic story that she tells in her book, we enjoyed listening to Fallon bring her always thoughtful, grounded perspective to the way she approaches movement, risk, and life on the rock.
But first, we sit down to talk about The Art of Suffering. No, not the kind of suffering we normally describe of getting to Rifle and finding nowhere to park. The kind of suffering that only one of alpinism’s most enigmatic and thoughtful philosophers could articulate: Voytek Kurtkyka, the legendary Polish climber.
Our final bit comes from climber, listener, and drummer Todd Hammond, and the Utah-based band The Statuettes. This track is called The of End of Everything.
Show Notes
Follow Fallon Rowe: https://www.instagram.com/fallonclimbs
“Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival” at DiAngelo Books: https://www.diangelopublications.com/shop/p/pay-no-mind
Voytek Kurtyka: “The Art of Suffering”: https://thefossilclub.blogspot.com/2012/07/art-of-suffering.html?m=1
More on Voytek: https://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/13201214642/The-Art-of-Freedom-The-Life-and-Climbs-of-Voytek-Kurtyka
The Statuettes on Bandcamp: https://michaelgross.bandcamp.com/music
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
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The Runout #158: Laura Pineau and Kate Kellegan Go Big on Triple Crown
2025/10/31
On June 8 Kate Kellegan and Laura Pineau (aka Mademoiselle Fissure) became the first women to complete the Yosemite Triple Crown. That means the climbed El Capitan, Half Dome and Mt. Watkins in a day. Their time was 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds. In this conversation, Kate and Laura share the tactics they used to achieve their big link-up, including tapping into the stoke and support of the community.
But first, Kalous lays down on the therapy couch while Dr. Bisharat tries to diagnose why redpointing projects isn’t bringing him the kind of joy you might otherwise expect.
Last, the Pink Rope Club from Atlanta performs their anthem.
Show Notes
Triple Crown News on UK Climbing: https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2025/06/kate_kelleghan_and_laura_pineau_on_completing_the_yosemite_triple_crown-73998
Follow Kate Kellegan: https://www.instagram.com/katekelleghan/
Follow Laura Pineau: https://www.instagram.com/laurapineau/
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
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The RunOut #157: Born to climb with kids’ book author Danielle Sarli
2025/10/11
Danielle Sarli is a kindergarten teacher, musician, and passionate climber. She is the author of Little Climber, a new kids’ book illustrated by Amanda Joy Hogan. We discuss how to tap into that kid-like innate urge to climb, and kindle the joy that we all feel when stand on top of the world—or our own projects.
But first, your inquisitive show hosts take a moment to ask each other anything. Literally, anything.
Last, we’d be remiss not to share some of Danielle’s musical chops. Here she is performing Beauty Land.
Show Notes
Follow Danielle Sarli: https://www.instagram.com/danielle_climbs/
Order “Little Climber”: https://littleclimberbook.com/shop
Watch “Beauty Land” music video: https://youtu.be/y1Jc2xvI_oo?si=eVUstBI6i_k1ONJ_
The RunOut #156: The mysterious murder of a neo-nazi crypto king dirtbag climbing outlaw
2025/09/27
In 2017, a climber was murdered outside of Squamish. His body was found with gunshot wounds, inside a smoldering, burnt vehicle. He was suspected to be the climber known as Jesse James, a Squamish dirtbag who made his mark on the scene, both in real life and online. In fact, it took three years for investigators to discover his real name and his incredible and sordid past. Who was this person really and what clues did his past reveal about who killed him—or why? Steven Chua is a freelance journalist based in Vancouver. He’s a rock climber, and the host of Dirtbag Climber, a new true-crime podcast from the CBC’s Uncover. This riveting new podcast peels back the layers of Jess James, a former neo-nazi turned crypto king dirtbag climbing outlaw.
But first, your well-intentioned hosts try to breathe a bit of positivity into the world by shining our lights on several climbing stories that are all good and about which nothing negative can be said.
Today’s final bit comes from climber, OG Stone Monkey, public speaker and purveyor of joy, just like us, Timmy O’Neill. He is also the sometimes touring drummer for the Surf Rock Duo, Par Avion. Featured is the track Bikini Beach Bash recorded live at the Eldorado in downtown Carbondale CO.
Show Notes
Listen to “Dirtbag Climber” from Uncover https://link.mgln.ai/dc-therunout
Follow Steven Chua on X
Michaela Kiersch announces first ascent of Mad Lib (5.14d) https://www.instagram.com/p/DOvxvhZkWXF/?hl=en&img_index=1
“Cerro Torre Winter Solo” on Colin Haley’s blog
Tim Emmett is pretty fired up
Dave Graham climbs V16
Walton Goggins – Batso
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The RunOut #155: The state of American bolts with Nate Liles
2025/09/03
Nate Liles is a photographer, filmmaker, and development director at the American Safe Climbing Association. Today’s conversation with Nate centers on the state of bolts and bolting in America today, and the tenuous landscape of route developers, local climbing organizations, land managers, and community-organized bolting events that keep the state of hardware at our crags in the best shape possible. We talk about best practices regarding how to maintain hardware, where we’ve inadvertently created issues, and the importance of supporting your local climbing organization—not to mention the ASCA itself—with your dollars.
But first, we talk about bad kids at the crags and reaching the threshold for when there are just too many of these rotten, no-good brats ruining our wilderness experiences.
Last but never least, today’s final bit comes from the talented photographer and musician Taylor Shaffer
Show Notes
Follow Nate Liles on Instagram
Follow the ASCA on Instagram
Donate to the ASCA
SafeClimbing.org
Orographic Creative
Follow Taylor Shaffer and Taylor Shaffer Music on Instagram
Taylor Shaffer on Spotify
Taylor Shaffer interview
Runout #154: Soul and Sandstone: Andrew Kornylak on climbing in the South
2025/08/18
Andrew Kornylak is a photographer, filmmaker, writer, and longtime climber. His new book is Spare These Stones. We speak about the rich culture of climbing in the. south, and how this place and its people have helped inform his work and inspire his latest book.
But first, we talk about a climbing influencer who is using rage-bait free solo videos to gain attention on Instagram.
Today’s final bit comes from Denver-based climber Logan Underwood and his punk band Moonshake. The song is Slipperscree.
Show Notes
Spare These Stone — Available at The Mountaineers.
Pre-order a signed copy!
Andrew Kornylak homepage
Follow Andrew Kornylak
Lincoln Knowles
Follow Moonshake
Moonshake on Spotify
Moonshake on Apple Music
Runout #153: Sex, Angst, and Rocks—Emily Meg Weinstein
2025/07/31
Emily Weinstein is a New Yorker, radical activist, rabid Met’s fan, and climber who lives on a house boat in the San Francisco Bay. Her new book is called Turn to Stone: A Memoir.
But first we catch up what’s happening in our climbing worlds, from stancing out out projects to taking a stance on fear.
Our final bit is an excerpt from a standup comedy act from Ethan Newman.
Show Notes
Follow Emily Weinstein
Turn to Stone: A Memoir from Simon & Schuster
Follow Ethan Newman
The One and Only Bar in St George
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
The RunOut #152: Will Moss (Actually) Day Flashes Free Rider
2025/07/20
Will Moss is a trad climber originally from New York. He recently flashed Free Rider on El Capitan, becoming the first to do it in a day and only the second person ever to flash an El Cap free climb. Will’s preparation to flash this route was insanely detailed, involving pouring over every video clip he could find, and person he could talk to. He even trained on simulators for the crux. Will shares the whole story of his groundbreaking ascent here.
But first, what’s better than having a project? Sharing a project with your partner. We talk about all the ways that working on a route together can bring you closer to your friend—until it doesn’t.
Today’s Final Bit is courtesy of Rob Seaver and his band FOND, based out of Alexandria, Virgina. This climbing-inspired song is called Hooking Up.
Show Notes
Follow Will Moss on Instagram
Will Moss’s first appearance on The RunOut, episode 122.
Will Moss Becomes First Person to Flash El Cap in a Day
Babsi Zangerl flashes Free Rider
Can Beetroot Powder Improve Athletic Performance?
Effect of tadalafil (Cialis) on anaerobic performance indices in healthy athletes
Follow FOND on Instagram
Listen to FOND on Apple Music / Spotify — Links on Bandcamp
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The RunOut #151: Linking it up with Tanner Wanish and Michael Vaill
2025/06/29
Tanner Wanish and Michael Vaill are two of the best speed climbers in Yosemite today. They currently hold the record for the historic Yosemite Triple Crown with a time of 17 hours and 55 minutes, and they’re also the only climbers to also add in a fourth big wall on top of that feat—a linkup they dubbed the Quad.
We spoke to Tanner and Michael about their partnership, the allure of linkups, the dangers of speed climbing and competition, and the real joy beyond what you see on social media of clocking big walls for breakfast.
But first, bolts be pulling out, yo. What’s the best way to address aging crags? Your fixed podcast anchors weigh in.
Last, the infamous Tall Jonathan, of the podcast formerly known as TAPS call-in fame, AKA Jonathan Sides, delivers Something More.
Show Notes
Forget the Yosemite Triple… These Guys Just Did the Quad
How Two Lesser-Known Rock Climbers Smashed a Fabled Yosemite Record
Follow Tanner Wanish
Follow Michael Vaill
Listen to “Something More” by Jonathan Sides on Spotify
Follow Jonathan Sides on Instagram
Enormocast 302: Last Rites
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RunOut 150: Girl Climber, with Emily Harrington and Jon Glassberg
2025/06/11
Jon Glassberg is a photographer and filmmaker, and Emily Harrington is one of America’s most prolific professional climbers, whose all-around feats span summits of 8,000 meter peaks, 5.14, National Comp podiums, and free ascents of El Capitan. Their new film is Girl Climber, which is profile of Emily and her quest to free climb Golden Gate on El Capitan in a day.
But first, crack open a case of Send Lite and help us ponder whether we need way more terms for doing what we do with our rock-climbing ascents.
Our final bit is “Big Wall,” an alt-rock ear worm from Nathan Murdoch, from the forthcoming EP “If You’re Not There.”
Show Notes
Follow Emily Harrington
Follow Jon Glassberg
Pre-order Girl Climber from Jolt Film
Girl Climber film review from Climbing Mag
Follow Nathan Murdoch
Listen to Big Wall on Spotify
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
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RunOut 149: Jordan Cannon and Mark Hudon, live from El Cap
2025/05/22
Jordan Cannon is a professional climber, known for his free and speed-climbing feats on El Capitan. Mark Hudon is one of the fathers of big-wall free climbing, best known for making a very early and audacious free attempt of the Salathé Wall in 1979 with Max Jones, nearly a decade before El Cap was officially first free climbed by Todd Skinner and Paul Piana. Jordan and Mark’s partnership is legendary, best encapsulated in the film “Free As Can Be,” which documents Jordan’s ascent of Freerider in a day and Mark’s attempt to finally complete a free ascent of El Capitan by the same route, more than four decades later.
On today’s episode, we make podcasting history by recording our episode live from halfway up the side of El Capitan, as Jordan attempts to free the Salathé Wall via the rarely repeated, and arguably official crux pitch—the infamous pitch 19—with Mark supporting him on belay.
This is a two-part episode. To hear the second half of our conversation, you’ll need to join us at Patreon.com
But first, your over-stoker podcast hosts run into the latest climbing headlines and cover the biggest downgrades to the most impressive ascents, while wondering whether it’s all just one big Tommy Caldwell sandbag.
Today’s final bit features the return of the Seattle post punk power trio rock band Dragontail Peak, with the song Three Rules–as in three rules of big-wall climbing.
Show Notes
Mandatory listening:
“Bonus: The Free Salathé Wall’s Strange Revisionist History”
“Bonus: Pitch 19, Part Deux”
Enormocast: Episode 152: Mark Hudon and Max Jones – As Free as Can Be.
Follow Jordan Cannon on Instagram
Follow Mark Hudon on Instagram
Mark Hudon website
Bill Ramsey, 64, does Wrongdoer (8b+)
Tommy Caldwell, 46, does Empath 9a (+) calling it 8c
From V16 to Big Walls: Pietro Vidi Makes the Second Ascent of ‘Lurking Fear’
UNCUT: “No one Mourns The Wicked” – V17/9A – Hamish McArthur
Follow DragonTail Peak on Instagram
DragonTail Peak on Bandcamp
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
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The RunOut 148: The Evolution of Sonnie Trotter
2025/05/17
Sonnie Trotter is a professional climber from Canada, whose notable ascents include the first ascent of Cobra Crack in Squamish, The Shining on Mount Louis, and the Pineapple Express on El Capitan. His new book is called UPLIFTED: The Evolution of a Climbing Life.
But first, is it aid? One of climbing’s most perennial questions comes up in a way that leaves your hosts breathless and saying “sucks to your ass-mar”.
Our final bit is “Yamashiro” by Recorduroy, a fusion band based in Colorado, with climber Dave Cohen on drums.
Show Notes
“UPLIFTED: The Evolution of a Climbing Life” from Patagonia Books
Read “Manboy” an excerpt from Sonnie’s new book on Evening Sends
Follow Sonnie Trotter on Instagram
Listen to Yamashiro on Spotify and Apple Music
Recorduroy on Spotify and Apple Music
Follow Recorduroy on Instagram
Why an Inhaler Sparked a Personal Style Debate on ‘Life of Villains’
Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
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JackChuffs5.6 2025/07/16
Best climbing podcast that isn’t about training
It’s funny too. Thanks fellas.
~~~224~~~ 2024/11/11
Such a great listen
The conversations are such a pleasure to listen too, and you guys are hands down my favorite pair of podcasters. Thank you for being you, Chris and An...
Ghkkkkgvvbbb 2024/10/04
Great Podcast
Long time listener, first time reviewer.
Love listening to these two banter. Great stuff.
Love the phish references, Andrew!
PaulWolf1 2024/05/22
Just as good as the Enormocast
Seems impossible to improve on the Enormocast. I'd say it's a tie.
randyman117 2023/11/03
My favorite podcast
Chris and Andrew are laugh-out-loud funny, thoughtful, and the people they interview are always interesting. Well worth a listen and subscribe!
Bubba gabe04 2023/03/26
Witty
The wit and the knowledge shared makes for a fantastic podcast!
Joutrasj 2023/02/04
A worthy contribution to climbing podland
The only way I’ll ever ‘climb’ 5.14
Runbikeclimb 2022/04/28
Solid gold
Climbing banter at its best
a r c h i p e l a g o s 2021/08/04
Thank you
I just absolutely love this show. Both real charismatic hosts. Really interesting and always entertaining. Thank you!
rjebas 2021/12/25
Links not correct
The links are not connecting to the correct podcast for some reason.. Thought you’d want to know! Thanks!
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