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A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair. Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.

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Your New Year Starts Now ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 229

2026/11/05

What if the most powerful thing we could do for the new year is refuse to wait for it? Brandon presents us with some questions to walk through now that will help carry us forward. The new year does not have to begin on January 1st. Momentum is something we choose to create now.

Carrying a Decision You Didn't Make ft. Marcus Mecum & Larry Brey | Ep. 228

2026/10/15

What does it really mean to carry a vision that did not originate with you? Brandon is joined by Marcus Mecum (Seven Hills Church, OH) and Larry Brey (Elevation Church, NC) to dive into what it looks like to pour ourselves into something larger than own ambitions, ideas, and desires. Visit leadingsecond.com to learn more.

Heart & Soul: Adding Value to the Vision ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 227

2026/10/01

What does it truly mean to honor the leaders God has placed in our lives? This conversation digs into the heart of that question during Pastor Appreciation Month, and the answer goes much deeper than a card or a kind word. Brandon guides us in how we can lead the charge of honor this month at our churches.

Building Your Personal Team ft. Dillon & Leydanis Ritchie | Ep. 226

2026/09/17

In this episode, Brandon Stewart, along with Dillon and Leydanis Ritchie (CoastLife Church, Venice, FL), discusses the importance of having a personal team. We are all invited to ask the hard question for each of us: Are there people in our lives who have the ability to keep us accountable? leadingsecond.comto learn more.

Leading Second in the Negative World ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 225

2026/09/10

As Second Chair Leaders, we have to be realistic about our strategy and where we stand in the world today. Brandon discusses the importance of leading in the "negative world” we find ourselves in today. leadingsecond.com

Second Chair is Not Second Class ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 224

2026/09/03

What if the seat we occupy in ministry is not a stepping stone to something greater, but is itself the place of greatest significance? Brandon Stewart walks us through the heart of Leading Second and the renewed vision of the ministry going forward. Visit ⁠leadingsecond.com⁠ to learn more.

Leading with Faithfulness ft. Jody Franke | Ep. 223

2026/05/14

Brandon sits down with Jody Franke (Keystone Church, Keller, TX) to explore what it means to serve faithfully in ministry without letting ambition cloud our calling. Reminding us that true ministry begins, not with titles or positions, but with a simple willingness to help and serve wherever God places us. Visit leadingsecond.com to learn more.

When Leaders Need Care ft. Roger & Sarah Stanton | Ep. 222

2026/04/09

We can find ourselves caught between two competing narratives when it comes to seeking help: the fear of appearing weak and the cultural tendency to wear our struggles as badges of identity. Brandon sits down with Roger and Sarah Stanton, licensed mental health counselors, to discuss how important it is for leaders to receive the care they need to be able to carry on in ministry. The call is clear: stop carrying the weight alone and step into the freedom God has waiting for us. To learn more about Leading Second Care, visit https://leadingsecond.com/care

The Tensions Every Second Chair Leader Will Face (Part 2) | Ep. 221

2026/03/19

Jump back into our look at Lead It Like You Own It with the author, Brandon Stewart, as he dives deep into what went into writing the book and shares three more key tension statements that Second Chair Leaders will face. Learn more at leaditlikeyouownit.com.

The Tensions Every Second Chair Leader Will Face (Part 1) | Ep. 220

2026/03/12

Take a behind-the-scenes look at Lead It Like You Own It with the author, Brandon Stewart, as he dives deep into what went into writing the book and shares the three key tension statements that Second Chair Leaders will face.

Lead It Like You Own It ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 219

2026/02/26

Leading Second is proud to announce the release of our first book, Lead It Like You Own It. Brandon sits down with Lindsay, Matt Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Jon Hatto (Hillsong Church, Toronto, Canada) to discuss the process Brandon walked through to write the book and how it can help every leader in ministry.

The Six Enemies of Ownership (Part 2) ft. L2 Coaching Team | Ep. 218

2026/02/19

Brandon, Travis Marshall (Christian World Church, Richardson, TX), Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Yukon, OK) jump back into the discussion of the six enemies of ownership. This week, they address the last three. We are challenged to examine what it truly means to take ownership in God’s house, starting with the most difficult person we’ll ever lead: ourselves.

The Six Enemies of Ownership (Part 1) ft. L2 Coaching Team | Ep. 217

2026/02/12

We’re living in a time where ownership seems to be fading from our everyday lives, and the church isn’t immune to this cultural shift. Joining Brandon this week to address the first three enemies of ownership are Travis Marshall (Christian World Church, Richardson, TX), Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Yukon, OK). This conversation exposes a critical reality: our world has traded sacrificial service for self-protective boundaries, and commitment has become a burden rather than a calling. But here’s the hope—this is actually our moment to be radically countercultural.

The Leader God Can Use ft. Dr. Christopher Palmer | Ep. 216

2026/01/01

To kick off 2026, Brandon sits down with Dr. Christopher Palmer, Dean of the Barnett College of Ministry & Theology at Southeastern University, Lakeland, FL, to examine what truly defines a leader God can use. Beyond charisma, talent, and social media influence lies something far more enduring: character forged through testing. We're reminded that leadership isn't about the position we hold but about the person we'rebecoming. We're called to lead from vision, strength defined as steadiness, and character that's been tested in the fire.

Leading in Your Grace Zone ft. Julian Lowe | Ep. 215

2025/12/04

What if grace doesn’t always feel good, but it’s exactly where you’re meant to be? In this episode, Brandon Stewart and Dillon Ritchie (CoastLife Church, Venice, FL) sit down with Pastor Julian Lowe (Oasis Church, Los Angeles, CA) for a powerful conversation about the difference between your grace zone and your personal preferences in leadership. Together, they unpack how grace and passion aren’t the same thing, why burying your wants is the path to true fulfillment, and how submission to authority can lead to freedom in ministry. If you’ve ever wrestled with calling, contentment, or comparison in your role, this conversation will bring clarity and conviction for the road ahead.

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Cortalo 2025/10/02

Great information

I had a question could find where to submit. Long story short. After a 2nd chair leader steps down due to whatever issue. Fast forward years later. Ho...

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Jbleil1 2022/07/08

Incredible

Life changing ministry for anyone leading second. Every episode saves me an entire lesson i would’ve had to learn on my own.

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TheGlobalCitizen 2020/05/01

Gold

Paradigm changing stuff right here

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Championshe 2020/02/26

Leading SECOND

Are you looking for a podcast that will speak truth, give direction, speak purpose in your life? Brandon has a way of asking the right questions, pul...

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momma1579 2019/09/27

So Good!

Love this podcast! Each episode has some nugget that I take away. Sometimes my toes are stepped on, sometimes my heart is encouraged, sometimes my min...

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sethpatebtown 2019/07/29

Uncommon!!!

Love how this resource keeps our roles in such perspective each week. Thank you so much B&L for leading us in this way. Heart check every week.

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Chris Ametrano 2019/06/06

Incredible

Can’t say or express how much Leading Second has impacted my leadership. I don’t know any other voice that is highlighting and developing second chair...

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She11a 2019/06/01

Leading Second is for everyone that is leading someone or many.

Have you ever wondered if you are doing it right in your leadership role? Or thought, how do I handle a specific situation when leading from my chair...

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Lovin lonnie 2018/10/26

This is my favorite podcast!

I listen to various podcasts. All of which help me. Inspire me. Challenge me. Encourage me. And help me keep the faith! The content & voices Leading S...

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Jonny Duggins 2018/10/01

Relevant, Real, Right on time

I’m a millennial, second chair church leader with big aspirations. The content Brandon and his guests deliver feels like a modern day David guiding yo...

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