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3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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2018/02/24
Latest episode
2026/10/22
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69 min.
Release period
1 days

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Former NFL scout John Middlekauff gives his one-of-a-kind perspective on the latest stories in college and pro football.

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Thursday Night Football Preview, J.J. McCarthy Starts for the Giants, Josh Jacobs Return Update & Middlekauff Mailbag
2026/10/22
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the latest NFL news, Thursday Night Football storylines, and the biggest questions facing teams around the league. John previews Thursday Night Football, examining the matchup, key players, and what to watch as both teams look to make a statement. He also discusses J.J. McCarthy starting for the New York Giants, what the quarterback change means for the Giants, and what McCarthy needs to show as he takes the field. Plus, John reacts to Josh Jacobs speaking ahead of his potential return, discussing what his availability could mean for the Green Bay Packers and their offense moving forward. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, quarterbacks, coaching decisions, injuries, and the biggest storylines across football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL previews, game reactions, quarterback analysis, breaking NFL news, and the latest football takes. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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2026/10/22
Introducing Helen Mirren Is In Her Villain Era from The Run-Through with Vogue. Follow the show: The Run-Through with Vogue Dame Helen Mirren, an actress with a storied career, has at long last entered her villain era. “I think it has to do with getting older,” she told Chloe and Taylor Antrim on today’s episode, “when you’re older, if you’re a woman, you have to be an awful, ghastly person.” Her latest “villain” opportunity comes in the form of playing writer Patricia Highsmith in A Talent For Murder, the latest film from director Anton Corbijn.  The fictional film, based on a play, captures the final chapter of Highsmith’s life in which she was a devoted alcoholic and held many problematic views. She had become a recluse, living in a brutalist home in Tegna, Switzerland with her pet snails and drinking heavily. In this story, she is approached by a young, handsome New York publisher (played by Alden Ehrenreich) who has the impossible task of convincing her to write another book in her Ripley series.  Mirren was first introduced to Highsmith through her husband Taylor Hackford and became a fan of her books as well as the many film adaptations. For her own transformation into Highsmith, the costuming was of immense importance. Highsmith wore notably masculine clothing and had a short neck and a hunched posture, especially later in her life. “so I got the costume people to build the shoulder pads up,” she explained, “and it gives her that sort of look that she’s about to pounce.” There was also the rage associated with her alcoholism: “she must have been terrifying in those days,” Mirren mused.  When Mirren started her career, the roles were much less nuanced for women. “They really sucked,” she lamented, “and they’re so much better now.” If she were to give advice to that past self who was demoralized by the parts she was getting, she would tell her to be as rude as you possibly can! They also spoke about some of her recent iconic red carpet looks, the signature “stripper” heels she purchased on Hollywood Boulevard, and making her own clothes.  The Run-Through with Vogue is your go-to podcast where fashion meets culture. Hosted by Chloe Malle, Head of Editorial Content, Vogue U.S.; Chioma Nnadi, Head of British Vogue; and Nicole Phelps, Director of Vogue Runway, each episode features the latest fashion news and exclusive designer and celebrity interviews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices DISCLAIMER: Please note, this is an independent podcast episode not affiliated with, endorsed by, or produced in conjunction with the host podcast feed or any of its media entities. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the creators and guests. For any concerns, please reach out to [email protected].
How will ESPN's broadcast look in the future, Does Bama need a new coach, Peyton to the Colts?
2026/10/21
John answers all of your questions from around the NFL and the college football landscape. How will this season pan out of the New York Giants and what does their future look like? Could we see ESPN make a broadcast change before the Super Bowl? If Alabama made a coaching change who would be the best coach to take over? John dives into all that and MORE!  Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
49ers Survive Commanders on Monday Night Football, Colts Fire GM Chris Ballard, Eagles PR Problems & Rams in Trouble
2026/10/20
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest NFL headlines and storylines from around the league. John reacts to the San Francisco 49ers surviving the Washington Commanders on Monday Night Football, analyzing the key takeaways from the game and what the performance says about San Francisco moving forward. John also discusses the Indianapolis Colts firing general manager Chris Ballard and what the decision means for the franchise's future. Plus, he dives into the Philadelphia Eagles' growing public relations problems, examining the scrutiny surrounding the organization and how the team is handling the spotlight. John also sounds the alarm on the Los Angeles Rams, discussing why the team could be in trouble and what needs to change before the season gets away from them. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, quarterbacks, coaching decisions, front-office moves, and the biggest stories across football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, Monday Night Football analysis, breaking NFL news, coaching and front-office insight, and the latest football takes. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
NFL Week 6 Reaction: Packers DISMANTLE Cowboys on SNF, Chiefs RB Walker makes MVP case, Browns atop AFC North + Ohio State at Indiana Recap
2026/10/19
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest results and storylines from an action-packed NFL Sunday. John reacts to Cowboys vs. Packers, analyzing the key takeaways from the matchup and what the result means for both teams moving forward. He also discusses the Kansas City Chiefs dominating with Kenneth Walker, the Pittsburgh Steelers picking up another win with Aaron Rodgers, and why the Los Angeles Chargers continue to disappoint after another frustrating loss. Plus, John breaks down Ravens vs. Browns, where Cleveland picked up a huge win over Baltimore to move to the top of the AFC North. John examines what the result means for the division race and what comes next for both teams. He also looks at the dud that was Titans vs. Colts and how the Colts have major problems after losing to the Titans. On the college football side, John is joined by Jackson for a recap of the weekend's biggest games, performances, and storylines across the college football landscape. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, weekly football analysis, quarterback breakdowns, coaching takes, AFC North updates, college football reactions, and the biggest stories from around the football world. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Rams Are BAD, Caleb Crushes In Return, Start Mendoza? College Football Recap
2026/10/19
Colin is joined by John MIddlekauff, host of “3 and Out” on the Volume They start with the Rams blowing a late lead to lose to the Cardinals and they agree the Rams have the look of a team trending in the wrong direction and could miss the playoffs (2:30). They react to Caleb Williams looking sharp in his first game coming off injury (11:15), and the wheels coming off for Justin Herbert and the Chargers as they fall to 0-6 after their loss to the Chiefs (24:30).  They move to the Eagles dropping their fourth straight game in their loss to the Panthers and Colin wonders whether Nick Sirriani could lose his job (31:00). They debate when we’ll see 1st overall pick Fernando Mendoza after the Raiders hot start cools after their loss to the Bills (39:15). They discuss the improvement in CJ Stroud’s play in the Texans win over the Jaguars (51:00), and Colin warns that you can’t sleep on the Patriots (54:00). They move to college football and react to Ohio State’s win over Indiana (58:15), BYU’s upset of Notre Dame (1:05:00), and Florida beating Texas on the road (1:15:00).  Finally, they weigh in on the expansion of the College Football Playoff to 24 teams (1:26:00). Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates!  #Volume   New Cash App customers can earn $10 if they use code CASHAPP10 in their profile at signup and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Terms apply. Link: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/rydbg0f2 Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Best of The Week: Jayden Daniels and the Commanders BLOW it, Buck vs. Aikman, NFL Week 6 Primer and predictions
2026/10/17
This week on the podcast John reacted to the crazy ending to the Washington Commanders-New York Giant game and gave his thoughts on if the way that game ended should have resulted in coahces losing their jobs. Later, he gets you ready for Week 6 of the NFL season and tells you the best games to have on your TV at one time. Finally he wraps up the week giving you his season predictions. All that and more! Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Broncos Beat Seahawks Reaction, 24-Team College Football Playoff, NFL Week 7 Predictions & Ohio State-Indiana Preview
2026/10/16
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, reacting to the Denver Broncos' win over the Seattle Seahawks on Thursday Night Football. John breaks down the biggest takeaways from the game, what went wrong for Seattle, and what Denver's performance means moving forward. John also weighs in on the debate surrounding a 24-team College Football Playoff, discussing whether an expanded field would improve the postseason and what it could mean for the sport's biggest programs. With another NFL weekend approaching, John makes his NFL Week 7 predictions and breaks down the biggest matchups in his signature NFL Sunday 4-Box, highlighting the games and storylines fans need to watch. On the college football side, John previews Ohio State vs. Indiana, breaking down the key matchups, what is at stake, and what the result could mean for both teams' College Football Playoff hopes. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, college football, quarterbacks, coaches, and the biggest stories across the football world. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, weekly predictions, NFL Sunday previews, college football analysis, quarterback breakdowns, and the latest football takes. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Seahawks-Broncos TNF Preview, Joe Buck & Troy Aikman have TENSION on MNF, Texas has a QB Problem
2026/10/15
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the latest NFL storylines, media headlines, and college football questions. John discusses how Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime Video is delivering better games, examining the quality of the matchups and whether Amazon is finding its footing as a major player in NFL broadcasting. He also previews Seahawks vs. Broncos, breaking down the matchup, key players, and what to watch for heading into Thursday night's game. Plus, John dives into the reported Troy Aikman and Joe Buck contract dispute, discussing the relationship between the longtime broadcasting partners and what it could mean for NFL coverage moving forward. On the college football side, John asks what is going on with Texas and Arch Manning, examining the Longhorns' struggles, the expectations surrounding Manning, and what needs to change for Texas to get back on track. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, college football, quarterbacks, coaching, and the biggest stories across the football world. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL previews, game reactions, quarterback analysis, college football takes, broadcasting news, and the latest conversations in football. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Micah Parsons BLAMES Jayden Daniels for OT Tie, Marvin Harrison Jr. gets fresh start with Texans + NFL Pre-Week 6 Mailbag
2026/10/14
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest headlines and storylines across the NFL and college football. John reacts to the reported Marvin Harrison Jr. trade to the Houston Texans and what the move could mean for Houston's offense and the team's future. He also discusses Micah Parsons' criticism of Jayden Daniels' clock management, looking at the importance of situational awareness, late-game decision-making, and what young quarterbacks can learn from these moments. Plus, John dives into the upcoming Nick Saban documentary on ESPN, reflecting on Saban's legendary coaching career, his impact on college football, and the legacy he leaves behind. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, quarterbacks, coaching, trades, and the biggest stories around football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL news, trade analysis, quarterback breakdowns, college football discussion, coaching insight, and the latest football takes. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Bills Beat Rams on Monday Night Football, Brock Purdy Is Great, NFL Clock Management & Cowboys Concerns
2026/10/13
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, reacting to the Buffalo Bills beating the Los Angeles Rams on Monday Night Football and breaking down the biggest takeaways from the game. John discusses what stood out from Buffalo's performance and what the result means for both teams moving forward. John also explains why Brock Purdy deserves more credit, breaking down what makes the San Francisco 49ers quarterback so effective and why his play continues to impress. Plus, John dives into clock management in the NFL, examining the late-game decisions coaches make and why situational football can be the difference between winning and losing. John shares his thoughts on Jason Kelce's broadcasting analysis and whether his Eagles fandom influences his commentary. He also looks at the Dallas Cowboys' struggles, what needs to improve, and whether Dallas can get back on track as the season progresses. The show wraps up with the Middlekauff Mailbag, where John answers listener questions about the NFL, quarterbacks, coaching decisions, broadcasting, and the biggest storylines across football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, Monday Night Football analysis, quarterback breakdowns, coaching insight, and the latest NFL news. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
NFL Week 5 Reaction: Ravens DEFEAT Falcons on SNF without Lamar Jackson,Giants-Commanders WILD ENDING, Packers DESTROY Bears
2026/10/12
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest matchups and storylines from another action-packed NFL Sunday. John dives into Ravens vs. Falcons, Eagles vs. Jaguars, and Giants vs. Commanders, analyzing the key performances, coaching decisions, and biggest takeaways from each matchup. He also breaks down 49ers vs. Seahawks, Bears vs. Packers, and Vikings vs. Saints, discussing what the results mean for the teams involved and how they could shape the rest of the NFL season. John also looks back at the legacy of Mike Ditka, one of the most recognizable figures in NFL history, before turning his attention to the latest headlines and storylines in college football. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, weekly football analysis, quarterback breakdowns, coaching takes, college football discussion, and the biggest stories from around the football world. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Reaction to: 49ers-Seahawks, Bears-Packers, Eagles-Jaguars, Broncos-Chargers
2026/10/12
Colin Cowherd & John Middlekauff react to Week 5 of the NFL. They start with the San Francisco 49ers beating the Seattle Seahawks to stay undefeated. Colin & John give their takes on Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, both teams outlooks and controversial calls from the epic NFC West showdown. They move on to the Eagles blowing it in London vs Jacksonville Jaguars. Should Nick Sirianni be fired? The Packers destroyed the Bears & the Patriots dominated the Raiders. Giants and Commanders played to a tie in a very weird ending, they put Dan Quinn on the immediate hot seat. They also hit Colts-Steelers & Broncos-Chargers. They move to college football to discuss UCLA beating Oregon & Oklahoma beating Texas. Lastly they give their predictions for Monday Night Football between Buffalo Bills & Los Angeles Rams.   Presented by Bud Light. Stock up now on Bud Light! Head to https://budlight.com/locator to find a store near you. Learn more at https://xero.com Head to https://Factormeals.com/colin50 and use code COLIN50 to get 50 percent off and free daily greens per box, with new subscription only, while supplies last until 09/27/2026. (See website for more details). Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/rydbg0f2 Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa®️ Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. TIMELINE 0:00:00 INTRO 0:00:11 49ers-Seahawks 0:21:22 Eagles-Jaguars 0:32:42 Bears-Packers 0:39:35 Raiders-Patriots 0:46:30 Giants-Commanders 0:54:28 Colts-Steelers 0:59:51 Broncos-Chargers 1:06:12 UCLA-Oregon 1:15:00 Texas-Oklahoma 1:30:02 Bills-Rams See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
INSTANT REACTION: Cowboys UPSET by Buccaneers, NFL Week 5 Predictions + CFB Week 6 Preview
2026/10/09
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, reacting to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' win over the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday Night Football. John breaks down the biggest takeaways from the matchup, what went wrong for Dallas, and what the win means for Tampa Bay moving forward. John then looks ahead to NFL Sunday, breaking down his signature Sunday 4-Box and previewing the biggest matchups on the schedule. He dives into the NFL afternoon games, highlighting the key storylines, intriguing matchups, and teams facing important tests as the NFL season rolls on. Plus, John turns his attention to College Football Week 6, previewing the biggest games, key matchups, and storylines to watch across the college football landscape. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL game reactions, NFL Sunday previews, the Sunday 4-Box, college football analysis, quarterback breakdowns, coaching takes, and the biggest stories from around the football world. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Eagles and Ravens make OL Trade, 49ers are Overachievers, NFL Mailbag
2026/10/08
John Middlekauff is back with another episode of 3 & Out, breaking down the biggest news and storylines from around the NFL and sports world. John reacts to the Eagles making a big trade that alters their OL, are they tanking or was the deal too good to refuse? Are the 49ers THIS good or are they overachieving? Later, John dives into the latest in the college football landscape. Finally, he closes out the show answering your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. Subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff for NFL news, game reactions, quarterback analysis, coaching takes, breaking stories, and the biggest conversations in football. Follow John on Twitter, and Instagram for the latest.  18+ Only. Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Trading is risky. 100% loss can occur. See polymarket.com/tos for more information. The Polymarket US App serves as an independent software provider and affiliate of Polymarket US and Polymarket Clearing, the CFTC-regulated exchange and clearing organization. #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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4.8 out of 5
2831 reviews
★★★★★
PapaAssane 2026/10/21
Podcast
Great Podcast. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🔥🔥🔥
★★★★★
dduffygb 2026/10/08
Older female obsessed with football
I like this podcast because John says what he thinks and I learn something’s. He doesn’t take himself seriously! I found this because I listen to Co...
★☆☆☆☆
CGK in PDX 2026/08/25
Not Good - this pod that is.
The Seat Geek read might as well be the exact copy of GameTime. John tries to come off as authentic -just selling out to whatever sponsor Colin can hi...
★★★★★
CharlieHustle16 2026/07/28
Thank God
Football.
★★★★★
Lukev3333 2026/06/16
Great podcast
John is awesome great podcast
★★★★★
Goody79 2026/02/11
Authentic and unapologetic style
I’ve been listening to John for over eight years, going back to when he was in California around the Marin County area. What I enjoy most about his sh...
★★★★★
tej2800 2026/01/29
A must listen
The guy is great. He should be a regular on Cowherds Fox show.
★★★★★
TwiddlyOC 2026/01/24
3 & Out podcast
John is very relatable. I feel like we are great friends. And he keeps it mostly football!
★★★☆☆
trewasdffg 2026/01/23
Microphone
I’m sure you’re proud of your microphone, but listening to your lips smack together every 5 seconds and hearing to swallow, is turning me away. Good l...
★★★★★
Ifernandez189 2026/01/15
Bring Guy Back!!
Best football sports pod out there! My only request is to have guy on more regularly. John’s and Guy’s chemistry is incredible and they bounce off eac...
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