Ep 151: I Make Films for Black People and Everybody Can Watch with Barbara Allen
Two little girls saw a movie camera in a mail order catalog and spent a whole week on the phone building a case to bring to their parents. They both got a yes. Fifty some years later, one of them is a filmmaker and the other one is her writer.
This week I'm talking with documentary filmmaker Barbara Allen, the person behind Paper Trail: 100 Years of the Chicago Defender, DuSable to Obama: Chicago's Black Metropolis, Colorblind: Rethinking Race, and House Music: A Cultural Revolution. Recorded live at Lumpen Radio, no edits, no retakes.
What We Talk AboutHow an 8 year old talks her mother into a movie camera, and how that kid and her best friend ended up in an editing room together twenty years laterWhy the Vivian Harsh Collection at Woodson Library is the place to go for Black Chicago history, and what's in there that the big museums don't haveThe Black pilots of 1930s Chicago: Cornelius Coffey, Willa Brown, and the man they called the one man Ethiopian Air ForceWhy she deliberately cast white male experts in a documentary about racism, and why it workedTime travel, virtual reality, and putting a viewer on a rooftop during Hurricane KatrinaWhere she lands on AI, and the dark comedy about AI she's making right nowThe one thing she wishes more interviewers would do
If you love Chicago history, oral archives, or anybody who has been following their curiosity since childhood, this episode is for you.
All about Barbara AllenYou're gonna love Barbara. She's a straight up walking archive with a great sense of humor about it. She's a producer, director, editor, engineer, and journalist who has spent decades telling stories about Black history, culture, and Chicago. Her documentaries include Paper Trail: 100 Years of the Chicago Defender, DuSable to Obama: Chicago's Black Metropolis, Colorblind: Rethinking Race, and House Music: A Cultural Revolution. She was a Knight Fellow at Stanford in 2013, where she built one of the first immersive VR journalism pieces, a Hurricane Katrina rooftop story narrated by Harry Lennix. She's currently raising funds for Realignment, a dark comedy about AI that is a pilot for a series.
Chapters:
00:22 - Settle In — Live, Unedited Conversation on Nosy AF02:15 - Origins: Making Films at Eight06:14 - Wearing Many Hats: Learning Every Side of Filmmaking14:27 - Film timeline — Paper Trail and other works20:50 - Social Media as Archive: Self‑Documenting and the Future of Storytelling31:51 - Show Return — Barbara Allen: A Walking Archive34:43 - AI, Authenticity, and Immersive Storytelling42:01 - AI and Storytelling: When Technology Becomes the Story49:16 - Lessons Learned Behind the Camera52:45 - Advice for the Next Generation — Passion vs. Fame59:43 - Episode Closing — Thanks & Credits
Things We MentionedPaper Trail: 100 Years of the Chicago DefenderDuSable to Obama: Chicago's Black MetropolisColorblind: Rethinking RaceHouse Music: A Cultural RevolutionRealignment, her AI dark comedy in development, fiscally sponsored and currently fundraisingThe Vivian G. Harsh Research Collection at the Carter G. Woodson Regional LibraryMichael Flug, archivistTimuel Black, Chicago historianDr. Daniel Hale Williams and Provident HospitalCornelius Coffey, John Robinson, Willa Brown, and Bessie ColemanSusan Cayton Woodson and her grandfather Hiram Revels, the first Black U.S. senatorThe Chicago Defender's WWII Victory Edition and the Double V campaignGail Baker, her writer since they were 8Tim Wise and the Brandeis researcher who coined "the Black tax"Jeremy Bailenson and Nonny de la PeñaHarry LennixDonald Crossley of the House Music documentaryFelicia Kreger, who made the introductionRecent screening of DuSable to Obama at the Chicago Cultural Center with DCASE
Connect with Barbara AllenBarbara’s Production Company “Middle Passage Productions”House Music: A Cultural Revolution is on the WTTW YouTube channel
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