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In this episode, Michael Dargie sits down with Noelle Labrie, a learning and development professional who helps restaurant owners and their teams lead better. Calling in from Miramar Beach on the Emerald Coast of Florida, Noelle explains that she doesn't walk into a kitchen and tell anyone they're bad at leadership. Instead she looks at turnover, staff culture, and online reviews, then works with management and chefs to figure out how they can serve their staff so their staff can serve their guests. Her favourite people to work with are the newly promoted, young not in years but in experience. The awesome line cook or standout server who suddenly gets a supervisory role and has no idea how to hold yesterday's drinking buddies accountable, read a P&L, or control food and labour costs. Nobody teaches them, and that gap is exactly where Noelle likes to work. Her eight-week Carpe Diem Leadership program breaks that learning into small, digestible tasks with an in-theory, in-practice, in-review rhythm each week. Then there's the streak. As of the recording, Noelle had run at least a mile every single day for 3,792 days, roughly ten and a half years. It started almost by accident. A marathon fundraiser for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society took her to Dublin for her 30th birthday, where she promptly fell in love with Ireland. Years later, wrapping up a work contract in Costa Rica, she decided to run a mile a day until her flight home. Forty days became a hundred, and she simply never stopped. What began as physical health has become far more about her emotional, spiritual, and mental wellbeing, the way she clears her head and sets her intention each morning. The conversation wanders happily, the way the best ones do. Noelle has run six marathons, most recently New York City for her 50th birthday. She's run in a Tahiti airport in flip-flops while crossing the date line, and she's lived and worked in Kuwait for four years, opening a restaurant in Istanbul, a city she'd move to tomorrow if she spoke the language. A quiet moment outside her Kuwait apartment, two single women dressed head to toe in black, one in a hijab, left her with a lasting thought: are we really that different? That thread carries into her answer for the one thing she wishes the world knew, that we are far more alike than we are different, and that a little more compassion and empathy would go a long way. Her advice for rebels is just as human. Be gentle with yourself. Show yourself grace. Know that your best will look different every day, sometimes 100 percent and sometimes 14, and that both are fine. You can find Noelle on LinkedIn and at Tri-Skill Consulting. Episode Highlights [00:34,000] The Emerald Coast | Noelle calls in from Miramar Beach, Florida, where she followed her retired parents to white sugar sand and crystal-clear water. [01:36,000] What she actually does | A learning and development pro who helps restaurant leaders with turnover, staff culture, and reviews, not by telling them they're bad at leadership. [02:30,000] Serve the staff first | Her whole approach: help management and chefs serve their staff so the staff can serve their guests. [03:52,000] Her favourite people | The newly promoted, young in experience, who were great servers or cooks and now have to lead without anyone teaching them how. [06:19,000] 3,792 days and counting | Noelle reveals her run streak: at least a mile every single day for over ten years. [07:16,000] How it started | A marathon fundraiser for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, and an $8,000 goal, pulled a non-runner into the sport. [08:12,000] Dublin and coming home | She ran her first marathon in Dublin for her 30th birthday and felt she'd come home the moment she stepped off the plane. [09:41,000] Costa Rica turns 40 into 100 | A mile a day to close out a work contract became 40 days, then 100, then a habit she never broke. [11:01,000] More than physical | Over the years the streak became about emotional, spiritual, and mental health, a daily reset and intention setting. [11:38,000] Six marathons | From Dublin at 30 to New York City in 2023 for her 50th birthday. [14:09,000] Carpe Diem Leadership | Her eight-week program turns everyday moments into small, manageable leadership lessons for busy restaurant teams. [17:43,000] Running in Tahiti | Crossing the date line with a short layover, she ran between the seats of an open-air airport in flip-flops to keep the streak alive. [20:43,000] Falling for Istanbul | Living in Kuwait and opening a restaurant in Istanbul, she fell so hard for the city she'd have stayed if she spoke the language. [23:21,000] Two women in black | A quiet morning outside her Kuwait apartment left her asking whether we're really that different from one another. [25:02,000] The one thing she wishes | That we're more alike than different, and that a little more compassion and empathy would help. [30:33,000] Advice for rebels | Be gentle with yourself, show yourself grace, and remember your best looks different every day, sometimes 100 percent, sometimes 14. Links From This Episode Tri-Skill Consulting Noelle Labrie on LinkedIn Leukemia and Lymphoma Society TCS New York City Marathon Dublin Marathon Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/streaking-into-self-discovery-with-noelle-labrie

In this episode, Michael Dargie sits down with Dr. Karen Koepp, a reinvention and IP strategist who splits her time between Los Angeles and the mountains of Utah. Karen helps people who have reached the end of a chapter, a layoff, a sold business, or a career upended by AI, figure out what comes next, and then actually bring it to life. Karen's own path was anything but tidy. She did everything right out of college, landing a management consulting role at a big four firm, only to find something missing. Burned out and travelling constantly, she switched jobs, then spent six years volunteering, taking self-assessments, and trying part-time work before a master's program brought her face to face with a thesis that nearly broke her. A single hour of structured feedback from a second advisor finally made it click, and she rewrote three chapters in an afternoon to graduate on time. A week later, a friend called in a panic, four hundred pages of unfinished manuscript, a smashed laptop, and a deadline closing in. Karen flew across the country, and over three days the two of them wrangled the mess into a complete draft. He graduated, and Karen realized there was a market for what she does. That was more than twenty years ago. The heart of the conversation is a quiet myth-buster: finding your direction is not the finish line. Karen argues that our purpose lives in our own stories, the moments we have come fully alive, and that clarity is only the first stage. The second is overwhelm, which she treats not as failure but as a predictable signpost. Her readiness retrofit diagnoses where people stall and designs systems around it, whether that means prosthetic systems for a would-be author who hates writing, developmental systems for genuine skill gaps, or reward systems when the work simply costs too much. Along the way, Karen makes the case that procrastination has been unfairly vilified, she wrote her thesis on it, calling it a wise feedback mechanism worth listening to. There are lighter turns too: a roller-skiing mishap that left her with a black eye and a ready-made metaphor, a childhood spent writing stories about her stuffed animals in Wisconsin, a love of Fiji, and a Bolivian village whose joy reframed everything she thought she wanted. Her advice for rebels in waiting: uncover your stories, expect the overwhelm, and build a new future through low-stakes reps. Episode Highlights [00:41,000] What Reinvention Really Means | Karen defines her work as a reinvention and IP strategist for people facing a layoff, a sale, or an AI-upended career. [01:34,000] The Secret Is in Your History | The key to what's next lives in the stories of when we've come fully alive. [02:55,000] Doing Everything Right | A big four consulting job looked perfect, but something was missing and burnout followed. [03:54,000] A Six-Year Search | Self-assessments, volunteering, and part-time work before a master's program changed things. [05:06,000] The Thesis That Nearly Broke Her | Two years of agony with no structure and feedback that simply said try again. [06:35,000] One Hour That Changed Everything | A second advisor's structured feedback made it click; she rewrote three chapters in an afternoon. [07:04,000] Rescuing a 400-Page Thesis | A smashed laptop and an unfinished manuscript became a three-day rescue mission. [08:02,000] Finding the Market | The clouds parted and Karen realized there was a market for what she does. [09:51,000] The Myth of Direction | Finding your direction is not the solution, and that's the big misunderstanding. [10:23,000] The Answer to How Is Yes | Karen references Peter Block and the idea that purpose is unique to each of us. [12:19,000] A Black Eye as Metaphor | A roller-skiing face plant becomes a fitting image for reinvention. [13:37,000] Mission Isn't Enough | Clarity is stage one; overwhelm is the natural second stage of any mission. [14:40,000] The Readiness Retrofit | Diagnosing where people stall and designing the systems to move through it. [15:09,000] Prosthetic Systems | If you hate writing, build a system that extracts your ideas without a keyboard. [16:35,000] Procrastination Is Wise | Karen's thesis argues procrastination is a useful feedback mechanism, not a flaw. [25:49,000] Advice for Rebels in Waiting | Uncover your stories, expect the overwhelm, and build through low-stakes reps. Links From This Episode Dr. Karen Koepp's website The Answer to How Is Yes by Peter Block Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/from-overwhelm-to-action-with-karen-koepp

In this episode, Michael Dargie speaks with Dr. Bruno Roque Cignacco, a university professor, researcher, and author based on the outskirts of London. Bruno teaches at postgraduate level, runs a consultancy in international marketing and import-export, and has spent the last few years building a business unit that helps companies become both more profitable and more human. His book, The Art of Compassionate Business, now in a second edition, is the throughline of the conversation. Bruno traces his shift from traditional marketing to compassionate business back to a Harvard Business Review article, "The Human Moment at Work." It wasn't about strategy or tactics, but about building long-lasting relationships and connecting with people on an emotional level. That idea sent him into the research, where he found a body of science-based studies on compassion, generosity, gratitude, and forgiveness in business. His conclusion is simple and firm: the building brick of any business is the human being, a meta resource that generates every other resource. The pair land quickly on a shared belief. Michael frames it as P2P, person to person, no matter whether the label says B2B or B2C. Bruno backs it with research: give customers two near-identical products and they stay loyal to the company that treats them as a person rather than a number in a database. Care for people and they reciprocate; treat them harshly and customers withdraw, employees disengage, and communities push back. Bruno's favourite part of the work is watching resistant companies change their minds. Show a business the research on autonomy, delegation, and psychologically safe workplaces, and the coin drops. He points to Patagonia as an exemplar, a company that calls the planet its shareholder, uses organic cotton, and runs childcare on site at no cost to employees. A loving, supportive workplace, he notes, tends to produce higher satisfaction, lower absenteeism, and a healthier bottom line. The conversation widens into travel, cultural sensitivity, and learning. Bruno reads several books a week, believing that many leaders are readers, and that learning keeps him humble. He dreams of two unhurried weeks in Egypt. He picks Spiderman and Batman as childhood favourites, and, half Italian and Argentinian, he settles the coffee-or-tea question firmly on the side of tea. To the show's rebels in waiting, Bruno offers one word: immersion. Fear is the biggest obstacle in any endeavour, and you are the obstacle, so get out of your own way. Start small, gather advice, gain confidence step by step, like easing into the shallow end of a pool before the deep. Scientists call the feeling self-efficacy; Bruno calls it the quiet certainty that you can do this. Episode Highlights [00:43,000] Home on the outskirts of London | Bruno introduces himself from Watford, a short hop from London, where he has lived for over 17 years. [01:11,000] Professor, researcher, consultant | Three decades of teaching and consulting in international marketing, plus a new unit on compassionate business. [02:19,000] Why the traditional model falls short | Focusing only on profit and closing deals ignores the human side of long-lasting relationships. [03:37,000] The article that changed everything | A Harvard Business Review piece, "The Human Moment at Work," pointed Bruno toward compassion research. [05:31,000] The human being as meta resource | Not tech or money, but people generate business models, products, and services, everything else. [06:55,000] Two identical products, one loyal customer | Given a choice, customers stay with the company that personalizes and humanizes its approach. [08:33,000] When the coin drops | Bruno's favourite moment is watching resistant companies see the research and change their minds. [09:38,000] Micromanagement backfires | Treat employees like naughty children and they disengage; autonomy and trust do the opposite. [11:32,000] Patagonia: the planet as shareholder | Organic cotton and on-site childcare show a company caring for people and the environment wholeheartedly. [13:31,000] The loving workplace study | Psychologically safe workplaces see higher satisfaction, lower absenteeism, and a better bottom line. [16:01,000] Cultural sensitivity | Bruno travels to learn, respecting other cultures and imagining the world through their lens. [22:12,000] Egypt on the bucket list | Two unhurried weeks among the pyramids is Bruno's plan for next year, done deeply, not superficially. [23:01,000] Readers are leaders | Several books a week keep Bruno humble and learning, like Buffett and Gates who read constantly. [26:34,000] The tea verdict | Half Italian and Argentinian, and 17 years in England, Bruno lands firmly on tea. [27:13,000] Advice for rebels: immersion | Start small, gain confidence gradually, and get out of your own way; fear is the real obstacle. [30:01,000] Where to find Bruno | The Art of Compassionate Business, his website, and LinkedIn, where he posts articles and interviews. Links From This Episode Bruno Cignacco, Official Website The Art of Compassionate Business (2nd edition) on Amazon Dr. Bruno Roque Cignacco on LinkedIn "The Human Moment at Work" by Edward M. Hallowell, Harvard Business Review Patagonia Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/the-art-of-compassionate-business

In this episode, Michael Dargie sits down with Mark Gillilan, founder of Kyoto Botanicals, a botanical wellness company built on hemp-derived, THC-free CBD and, as of recently, functional mushrooms. Mark never set out to work in cannabis. A self-described introvert and former wildlife biologist, he grew up in Dallas riding his bike into the woods and wandering creeks from sunup to sundown, turning over rocks and catching anything that moved. That childhood love of nature became a biology degree, years of fieldwork, and eventually a career in consumer packaged goods marketing at companies like Nestle. The turn toward botanicals came out of the blue. An old boss recruited him to Charlotte's Web, the brand that helped create the whole CBD category alongside Charlotte Figi and the original patient families. Mark had real reservations. He had never been a cannabis guy and carried the same negative perception of weed that a lot of people did. But from week one he was hooked. Seeing firsthand how the plant changed people's lives was eye-opening, and he decided to dedicate himself to growing awareness and acceptance for it. Along the way the two get into the science and the soul of the work. Mark explains terpenes, the chemical defence mechanism plants use to fend off bugs and animals, and how those same compounds carry health and wellness benefits for us. He makes the case for a shift from treating illness to baseline maintenance and prevention, from curing ourselves down the road to caring for ourselves day to day. The conversation is honest about the founder's life too. Mark describes the roller coaster nobody warned him about: highs like no other high, and lows that can drop you to rock bottom in a heartbeat. His way through it is the same thing that has grounded him since childhood, getting outside, walking the dog, sitting in the sun for three minutes to reset. The heart of the episode is Mark's decision to stop hiding. For years he ran Kyoto Botanicals by the rigid marketing playbook he had learned, suppressing the nagging feeling that his real differentiator was himself, his voice, and why he cared. A few months ago he finally turned the camera on, forced himself through thirty days of YouTube videos, rewrote his own blog posts, and redesigned his homepage around a simple question: what do I want people to feel when they meet me and the brand? His advice to rebels in waiting is disarmingly simple. Don't hide yourself. That's the reason what you're doing matters, and eventually why it will matter to the world. You may not reach a hundred million people, but you'll reach a hundred thousand of the right ones. Woven through it all are camping trips with his kids, a love of baking bread, a hard-won lesson about giving yourself grace, and a book recommendation that reframes how we see the world entirely. Episode Highlights [00:57,000] Meet Kyoto Botanicals | Mark introduces himself as founder of Kyoto Botanicals, a botanical wellness company focused on THC-free, broad-spectrum hemp CBD, recently expanded into functional mushrooms. [01:50,000] Why 'Botanicals' | He explains the name was deliberate, always meant to reach beyond one plant into the many plants that support our wellbeing. [02:10,000] Terpenes 101 | Terpenes give wine its full body and show up across the pepper family. Mark, a former wildlife biologist, breaks down what they actually are. [02:39,000] A Plant's Defence | Terpenes are the plant's chemical defence mechanism against bugs and animals, and many of them are beneficial for human health. [04:47,000] The Cottonmouth Bite | At about ten, Mark picked up a baby water moccasin that bit him. Luckily it was a dry bite, and he still has the fang scars to prove it. [06:39,000] Recruited To Charlotte's Web | An old boss pulled him into Charlotte's Web, the company that helped create the CBD category. Mark had serious reservations about working in cannabis. [07:38,000] Hooked From Week One | Meeting Charlotte Figi and the original families, and seeing the plant change lives firsthand, turned his skepticism into a calling. [09:03,000] Care, Don't Just Cure | Mark argues for a shift from treating illness to daily wellness and prevention, and senses that culture is finally starting to change. [10:15,000] The Founder Roller Coaster | Nobody warned him about the highs and lows: euphoria one moment, the terror of feeling like a failure the next, sometimes within the same day. [12:19,000] How He Resets | Getting outside is his regulator. A walk, a run, or even three minutes in the sun helps him catch himself sliding too far up or down. [19:13,000] A Little More Grace | Asked what he wishes the world knew, Mark lands on giving ourselves and each other more grace, a lesson he's trying to model for his kids. [25:02,000] An Immense World | Mark recommends Ed Yong's book on how animals sense the world differently, a humbling read that ties back to his message about grace and patience. [27:48,000] Advice To Rebels In Waiting | The nagging itch he suppressed too long: his real differentiator was himself. Don't hide from what made you want to do it in the first place. [29:36,000] Turning The Camera On | He put his name and face everywhere, filmed YouTube videos, wrote his own blog posts, and rebuilt his homepage around how he wants people to feel. [31:55,000] Thirty Days Of Reps | Super introverted, Mark forced himself to film daily for a month. By day five or six the fear was gone and it became routine. [33:47,000] Where To Find Mark | Kyoto Botanicals dot com and the Kyoto Botanicals channel on YouTube, where he brings his one-on-one market conversations to scale. Links From This Episode Kyoto Botanicals Kyoto Botanicals on YouTube Charlotte's Web An Immense World by Ed Yong Nestle Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/care-before-you-cure

In this episode, Michael Dargie sits down with Manuel Prinz, a co-founder of the AI e-commerce startup Keep Converting, calling in from a sunny Friday in California. Manuel spends his days between product management, opening new markets, and pointing cutting-edge AI at the sort of thorny problems that keep e-commerce brands up at night. But the conversation quickly leaves the boardroom and heads somewhere more interesting: how a kid from rural Germany ended up building companies half a world away. Manuel grew up near Stuttgart, in the shadow of Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, and Bosch, where becoming an engineer for a car manufacturer was less a dream than a default. A hands-on internship, all tooling and hard labour, quietly closed that door. He pivoted to business and economics, and there he found a one-sided exchange with UC Santa Barbara buried at the bottom of his university's agenda, so overlooked that nobody had used it in years. He drilled down, made contact, and made it happen. Landing in California was, in his words, all explosions and fireworks. The polished SUVs at the airport, the investment banker, skateboarder, and homeless person sharing a single block in San Francisco's financial district. For someone raised where everyone lived the same levelled, middle-class life, watching people chase their own individual dreams cracked something open. He wanted in. That curiosity turned into a career. Manuel joined an early payments startup, Paymentwall, an early answer to what Stripe would become, and helped grow it across nearly every continent. He reckons he's now been to more than a hundred countries. He talks warmly about Vietnam, a Hanoi office, and a local chef who served the team fish soup at eight in the morning, and about the balut he bravely tried on a beach in the Philippines. Woven through the travel stories is a quiet philosophy. Manuel shares his move for any new city: get the rundown from a talkative taxi driver, then find a local bar that first night and go with the flow. He talks about needing two or three days to settle before a holiday actually feels like one, because sitting still makes him anxious. And he lands on the thing he wishes the world knew, that the journey is the goal, that there's no end state where complete happiness finally arrives. For the rebels in waiting, the ones stuck between wanting and doing, Manuel's advice is plain: if an idea won't leave your head, even when you try to talk yourself out of it, that persistence is a signal. Get a solid read on it, then go. You might run into a wall. It happens. His own motto sits underneath all of it: never stop running. It's a warm, funny, well-travelled conversation about daring to chase the thing you can't stop thinking about. Episode Highlights [01:16,000] No two days the same | Manuel describes life as a co-founder of an AI e-commerce startup, splitting his days between product, new markets, and hard problems. [02:12,000] Out of stealth | He reveals the company name, Keep Converting, launching after a stretch in stealth mode. [02:54,000] A Stuttgart childhood | Growing up near Mercedes, Porsche, and Bosch, where becoming an engineer felt like the default future. [04:23,000] The internship that redirected him | A hands-on tooling internship shows him mechanical engineering isn't his path, and quietly opens a new one. [05:22,000] The hidden exchange | He unearths a forgotten UC Santa Barbara exchange buried in his university's agenda and makes it happen. [07:16,000] First taste of Silicon Valley | Roommates pull him to San Francisco, where he sees tech and the Valley for the first time. [07:57,000] Fireworks off the plane | Polished SUVs at the airport and a city block holding an investment banker, a skateboarder, and a homeless person at once. [10:09,000] What gets him up | His favourite part of the work: talking to other founders and brands to see what's left and right. [10:58,000] A hundred countries | Joining Paymentwall put him on the front line of global growth, and passport stamps in more than a hundred countries. [12:24,000] Vietnam and the fish soup | A Hanoi office, a chef at the market by 5am, and being served unforgettable fish soup at eight in the morning. [16:22,000] The landing playbook | His move for any new city: a long taxi ride for the rundown, then a local bar that first night. [19:24,000] The bravest bite | The craziest thing he's done, trying balut on a beach in the Philippines, and feeling great after. [24:12,000] Can't sit still | Doing nothing makes him anxious; it takes two or three days before a holiday actually feels like one. [27:09,000] The journey is the goal | The one thing he wishes the world knew: there's no end state, so embrace the working-toward. [30:08,000] For the rebels in waiting | If an idea won't leave your head, that's a signal. Get a solid read, then just go for it. [32:59,000] Never stop running | Manuel shares his personal motto and where to connect with him afterward. Links From This Episode Manuel Prinz on LinkedIn Keep Converting Paymentwall UC Santa Barbara Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/the-journey-is-the-goal

In this episode, Michael Dargie welcomes Susie deVille — entrepreneur, coach, artist, and self-described "concrete chiseler in chief" — who joins from a mountain plateau at 4,118 feet in Highlands, North Carolina. Susie works with entrepreneurs, creators, and visionary leaders who feel stuck and riddled with self-doubt, helping them reconnect with their innate creativity and unlock who they truly are. Her own path took a while to reveal itself. She studied anthropology, moved to Boston and then overseas for a career in publishing at HarperCollins, launched two nonprofits that are still running today, and became a real estate broker in 2001. It was during her master's studies that a class introduced her to the design firm IDEO, and, as she puts it, the top of her head came off. From that moment, all she wanted to do was understand innovation and creativity. That curiosity became a lifeline. When the markets crashed, Susie's finances, her marriage, and her health all went "poof" at once — a stretch she calls her nuclear winter. Her instinct was to work harder, which only pulled her deeper into the quicksand. So she rebuilt everything from the studs up, leaning on a simple but radical idea borrowed from Paulo Coelho: inspiration means breathing in. Most of us, she says, have gold-medalled the exhale — the doing, the burning out, the gerbil wheel — while forgetting to take anything back in. The conversation wanders happily from there. Susie explains her "creative circadian rhythm" and why she writes at three in the morning, when she can "take dictation from the divine." She shares the morning practices that bring her home to herself: Julia Cameron's morning pages, movement, inspired reading, and the one her clients resist most — making something with your hands, whether it's a quick sketch or a vat of gumbo. She and Michael also detour into Paris, flânerie, joie de vivre, and a plate of beef cheeks at Le Procope so good the entire waitstaff once gave her a round of applause. Underneath the fun is a serious message about energy over productivity. We're brilliant at solving for time and discipline, Susie argues, and terrible at noticing the hidden energy loads behind every bold move, hard conversation, and new boundary. Heal and optimize your energy first, and the grand voyage becomes possible. For the rebels in waiting, Susie offers a Joseph Campbell-flavoured reframe: the real work isn't the launch, it's the dragon of your becoming — your ability to tolerate uncertainty and keep going. Take good care of your energy and health, inspire yourself, keep a journal, and remember that your authentic, aligned self is the ultimate champion in any arena. Episode Highlights [00:44,000] What Susie Does | Helping stuck entrepreneurs and creators reconnect with their innate creativity. [01:30,000] The Winding Path | Anthropology, publishing at HarperCollins, two nonprofits, and real estate. [02:56,000] The Top of Her Head Comes Off | A grad-school class introduces her to IDEO and lights the fuse. [04:03,000] Nuclear Winter | The crash takes her finances, marriage, and health all at once. [05:00,000] Learning to Inhale | Inspiration means breathing in — not just the endless exhale. [07:33,000] Not the Artistic One | Why she believed she "missed the art genes" — and why that's false. [09:00,000] Cracking the Concrete | Sketching, watercolour, and mixed media start to reveal the authentic her. [10:20,000] Concrete Chiseler in Chief | An archaeological dig of the self that's energizing and fun. [11:38,000] Why Paris | Feeling instantly at home, joie de vivre, and artfully designed days. [16:11,000] Getting Lost on Purpose | The French idea of the flâneur and surrendering to serendipity. [18:32,000] The Art of Doing Nothing | Energy over productivity, and the hidden loads we never notice. [21:28,000] Creative Circadian Rhythm | Finding the hours when your best thinking actually shows up. [23:00,000] Morning Practices | Morning pages, movement, inspired learning, and making something. [27:51,000] Beef Cheeks at Le Procope | The Paris dish that earned her a standing ovation. [31:25,000] Advice for Rebels in Waiting | The dragon of your becoming and tolerating uncertainty. Links From This Episode Susie deVille — Innovation & Creativity Institute (with free toolkit) Buoyant: The Entrepreneur's Guide to Becoming Wildly Successful, Creative, and Free by Susie deVille IDEO — design and innovation firm The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho Morning Pages / The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron Le Procope — the oldest cafe in Paris Fondation Louis Vuitton — Gerhard Richter exhibition Full show notes, transcript, and more: https://rebelrebelpodcast.com/episodes/find-your-fire-again

"Let the ego shrivel up and die on the vine." In this episode, Michael Dargie sits down with Vancouver-based independent author and publisher Corey Croft for a candid conversation about writing, depression, ego, and the strange compulsion to finish terrible books. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. Corey shares how his path to becoming a novelist began not with ambition, but with anxiety. During a difficult stretch marked by depression, he realized he always had "time" to write — he just wasn't using it. A community writing challenge to produce 1,000 words a day became the catalyst. What began as an experiment turned into a therapeutic practice, and eventually into a serious body of work. Writing, for Corey, became a way to confront inner chaos and shape it into narrative. The conversation moves from craft to philosophy. Corey speaks openly about ego — how it quietly sabotages artists — and the importance of humility when pursuing creative work. He reflects on literary influences like Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, the discipline he learned from Stephen King's On Writing, and why he treats writing like a job rather than waiting for inspiration to strike. There's humour woven throughout: from his refusal to abandon a bad novel (no matter how painful), to his thoughts on dog-earing book pages, to his suspicion of overly optimized, AI-driven culture. Beneath the jokes is a deeper concern about authenticity — about becoming too polished, too homogenous, too disconnected from the rough edges that make people human. At its heart, this conversation is about staying real. Corey talks about diminishing the "mask" we wear in public life and striving to align who we are on the outside with who we are internally. For creative rebels and entrepreneurs alike, it's a reminder that art isn't about perfection — it's about honesty. Audere est facere. To dare is to do. And sometimes, to write. PULL QUOTES "You always have time. You just have to make it." — Corey Croft "Let the ego shrivel up and die on the vine." — Corey Croft "The freaks make up the world." — Corey Croft "I love broken spines." — Michael Dargie "If you're not your honest and true self, how are people ever going to fall in love with you?" — Corey Croft EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS [01:22,000] Independent Publisher | Corey explains why he created Fly Pelican Press and chose the indie route. [05:35,000] Writing as Therapy | A 1,000-words-a-day challenge becomes a turning point during depression. [09:45,000] Dostoevsky on a Megabus | The book that changed Corey's life: Crime and Punishment. [10:26,000] Writing Like a Job | Lessons from Stephen King's On Writing and treating creativity with discipline. [13:02,000] Writing Across Gender | Why Corey avoids writing female leads — and the authenticity dilemma. [17:52,000] You Always Have Time | The myth of "when I have time" gets dismantled. [23:32,000] Homogeneity and AI | Concerns about optimization and losing human imperfection. [28:34,000] The Completion Compulsion | Corey refuses to abandon bad books — no matter how awful. [32:30,000] Rebels in Waiting | Advice for aspiring artists: diminish the ego and embrace rejection. [38:05,000] Reduce the Mask | Authenticity as a lifelong practice. LINKS FROM EPISODE Corey Croft Author Website (https://coreycroftauthor.com) Corey Croft on Instagram (https://instagram.com/coreycroftauthor) Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7144.Crime_and_Punishment) On Writing by Stephen King (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10569.On_Writing) Henry Miller (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/147.Henry_Miller) Edinburgh, Scotland (https://www.visitscotland.com/places-to-go/edinburgh) About the Host of The RebelRebel Learn more about Michael Dargie, his book on branding, and cool tools he built at https://MichaelDargie.com

"Awesome hides on the other side of fear." In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with Robert Schmidt—brand strategist, educator, and senior skydiving instructor based in Calgary, Alberta. Robert runs a national brand strategy firm called Box, where he helps organizations figure out who they are, what they stand for, and how to connect with the people that matter most. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. Robert's superpower? Helping brands be something for someone—not everything to everyone. He shares the importance of finding your unique point of view, creating internal alignment, and building brand from the inside out. With clients across Canada and team members as far away as Beirut, Robert's work is as global as it is grounded. They talk about how COVID reshaped his business, why teaching adult learners lights him up, and how skydiving became both a metaphor and a mindset. With over 1,000 jumps under his belt—including future plans to jump over the pyramids of Giza—Robert explains why fear is often the final gate before true awesomeness. They also cover his upcoming book about why brand deserves a permanent seat in the boardroom, and the 700% ROI some of his clients have seen from brand investments. His advice to rebels in waiting? Be awesome. Make the choice, take the leap, and be something for someone—not everything to everyone. Quoteable Quotes "Awesome hides on the other side of fear."  "Be something for someone, not everything to everyone." "You can't climb a mountain all at once. But you can take the next step." "Your brand should have a seat at the boardroom table." "If you're not choosing awesome, what are you choosing?" Episode Highlights What He Actually Does | Brand strategy, storytelling, and adult education Remote Before It Was Cool | Selling the office and going national Skydiving Instructor | 1,000+ jumps and a love of wingsuits Future Plans | Jumping over the pyramids of Giza from a C-130 Teaching Style | Creating "aha" moments for grown-ups From Science to Strategy | His path from microbiology to marketing The Book | Arguing for brand at the boardroom table People First | Why human connection matters more than ever The Restaurant Test | Ask them what they would eat Hot Enough to Break Your Nose | A taco story for the ages Advice to Rebels | Choose awesome. Be real. Take the leap. Links From Episode We Are Box Website (https://wearerebox.com)  Robert on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandingstrategist/) Robert on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/robert.schmidt.7374) About the Host of The RebelRebel Learn more about Michael Dargie, his book on branding, and cool tools he built at https://MichaelDargie.com

In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with India Hayes, founder of Bikers Hangout—a grassroots global movement for motorcycle riders. Broadcasting from Warrington, England, India shares how her idea to connect riders around the world began in a hospital while recovering from pneumonia. Frustrated by the lack of an international biker network, she started a Facebook group. That seed grew into Bikers Hangout, a multimedia platform complete with its own radio station, live shows, club directory, and growing global partnerships. India opens up about riding through personal health struggles, including kidney failure and spinal issues, and how building Bikers Hangout gave her focus and something to live for. From her first illegally rebuilt TS125 to launching shows across the UK, US, and beyond, India's journey is powered by persistence and love for the biking community. She also talks about the importance of giving back, connecting small service businesses to riders, and using the platform to support organizations like Blood Bikes. With plans to tour more, build out the global club directory, and collaborate with TV hosts and major cargo networks, India shows what's possible when you follow your calling—even if the road is bumpy. Her advice to rebels in waiting? Be patient, be relentless, and get out into the world. "You have one life, and that life is soon gone. So just do it. Give it 100%." Quoteable Quotes "You have one life, and that life is soon gone. So just do it. Give it 100%." "There wasn't a global bikers platform—so I built one." "It's quite an emotional connection you have with a motorcycle… you are at one." "Sometimes you've got to stop and show them how it's done." "Every day is a new day. I've got stuff to do." Episode Highlights The First Ride | Rebuilding a bike from boxes at 13 From Facebook to Global | How Bikers Hangout was born in a hospital bed Radio for Riders | Starting a biker-run global radio station Riding Through It | How India built a business while battling chronic illness Going Worldwide | 200+ clubs in the directory (and growing) Community, Not Commerce | Why they never charge the clubs The Real Ones | Featuring underground mechanics and unlisted legends Building for Others | Helping Blood Bikes generate income through partnerships The Long Game | Plans for tours, collaborations, and more shows Advice to Rebels | Patience, persistence, and putting in the work Links From Episode Bikers Hangout Website (https://www.bikershangout.co.uk/) India on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/india-hayes-703ba01a/) India on Threads (https://www.threads.com/@bikershangout2019?xmt=AQF0TSiYBpXGOo9tddkzVQkU5unVaotSI1bI3Q4RCUpr-50) India on TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@indiahayes666) --------- About the Host of The RebelRebel Learn more about Michael Dargie, his book on branding, and cool tools he built at https://MichaelDargie.com

"Sometimes just doing more is not the solution." In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with David Mendes, a bilingual podcaster, medical writer, and creator of Papa PhD. Originally from Portugal, raised in Belgium, and now based in Montreal, David shares his journey through academia, translation, and eventually podcasting as a form of rebellion and reinvention. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. After completing his PhD in biology, David faced the all-too-familiar crossroads many graduate students encounter: a lack of academic jobs, identity loss, and the anxiety of "what now?" Instead of pushing harder on a path that didn't feel right, he started talking to other postgrads—scientists, entrepreneurs, creatives—about what came after their degrees. Those conversations became Papa PhD, a podcast now more than 300 episodes strong. David opens up about the evolution of the show, from a passion project to a growing community of global listeners navigating career uncertainty. He shares how podcasting transformed his sense of self, taught him how to connect, and gave him the confidence to speak onstage. Along the way, they talk about creative rituals, the magic of sci-fi and philosophy, Portuguese comfort food, Japanese art, and the importance of laughing with other humans. David's insights on imposter syndrome, over-pedalling, and finding your own flavour of success are deeply honest and profoundly useful. His advice to rebels in waiting: don't compare, don't wait until you're "ready"—just get in the game. The world needs your version of the thing. Quoteable Quotes "Sometimes just doing more is not the solution." — David Mendes "You're depriving the world of your flavour of the thing." — David Mendes "It's the unknown that brings up imposter feelings." — David Mendes "The world needs more Rebecca, Rebecca." — Michael Dargie "Sometimes you've got to stop pedalling and look around." — David Mendes Episode Highlights Academic Reboot | Why David created Papa PhD for grad students From Language to Life Science | Medical writing and translation work Permission to Pivot | Letting go of the professor path Podcast Confidence | How speaking into a mic changed everything Science Meets Art | Supporting a PhD student's neuron-inspired paintings VIP Guest List | Who David dreams of getting on the podcast Slow Down | The over-pedalling analogy that explains burnout Food of Home | Portuguese codfish and egg tarts Cultural Curiosity | Why Japan and Bhutan top his travel list Advice to Rebels | Don't compare—do your version of the thing Imposter Syndrome | Talk to it, but don't let it drive Links From Episode Papa PhD Website (https://papaphd.com/) David on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmendesdasilva/) David on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/PapaPhD) David on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/papaphdpodcast/) Threads (https://www.threads.com/@papaphdpodcast) X (https://x.com/PapaPhDPodcast) Get Your Copy of Michael's Book: "BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From 'Meh' To Memorable" Indigo | Barnes & Noble | MichaelDargie.com

"Curiosity is what keeps me moving forward." What happens when a former scientist becomes Canada's first pro blogger, publishes four books, and now builds custom AI marketing tools for fun? In this episode, I talk with Tris Hussey about curiosity, content, and building a life around technology that empowers people. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. In This Episode In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with Tris Hussey, a lifelong technologist, educator, author, and self-described curiosity-driven geek. Based in Chilliwack, BC, Tris has worn many hats: paleontology-obsessed kid, research scientist, blogger, podcaster, marketing strategist, university instructor, and now an AI-enabled marketer. Tris shares how his career evolved from studying fossilized pollen and running labs at Duke University, to becoming Canada's first professional blogger in 2003. He eventually authored four books—including WordPress Absolute Beginner's Guide—and made it his mission to democratize technology for everyone. He opens up about the joy of teaching, writing overly long prompts, and helping small businesses understand and use AI without fear. He calls it "vibe coding"—rapid prototyping powered by curiosity. Tris doesn't just talk tech; he lives it. From building tools with his 10-year-old daughter to analyzing podcast data with custom Python scripts, he's all in. The conversation moves from page builders and WordPress bloat to LEGO, Solitaire, and building a substack called "Generally AI." Through it all, Tris keeps coming back to one idea: learning is the most important skill we've got—and it's never too late to start. His advice for rebels in waiting? Stay curious. Stay learning. And if you don't know how to do something, just ask one question at a time. Quoteable Quotes "Everyone should be able to use technology. It shouldn't be hard." — Tris Hussey "If you want better prompts, have the AI write your prompt for you." — Tris Hussey "Just learn more." — Tris Hussey "Just fine doesn't have to be less than." — Michael Dargie "Curiosity is what keeps me moving forward." — Tris Hussey Episode Highlights Corn vs Tabor | Chilliwack pride and Bookman trivia Canada's First Blogger | From science to blogging in 2003 Pollen and Oil | His academic roots in palynology Lab Coats & Fume Hoods | Why he left research for tech Blogging for Business | Before content marketing was a thing Teaching Tech | Making tools accessible to everyone The Worst Book | Foursquare in 10 Minutes—glad it was paid up front Best Work | Democratizing WordPress for beginners AI Marketing | Solving brand and content problems with AI Vibe Coding | Building tools with ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini Prompt Structure | RACE and Casino models for better AI output Learning by Challenge | Why problem-solving is his teaching method Solitaire & ADHD | How it helps him focus during calls LEGO & Cooking | What fills Tris's creative tank Teaching AI to Kids | Helping families learn AI the right way Advice to Rebels | Stay curious, ask questions, and just keep learning Links From Episode Tris Hussey Website (https://www.trishussey.com/) Tris on Facebook (https://www.linkedin.com/in/trishussey/) Get Your Copy of Michael's Book: "BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From 'Meh' To Memorable" Indigo | Barnes & Noble | MichaelDargie.com

In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with Rebecca Prejean, an artist, instructional designer, and fierce advocate for neurodivergent people in corporate learning. Based just outside Austin, Texas, Rebecca brings her lived experience as a mother of an autistic child into her work—designing training that's inclusive, accessible, and actually usable by everyone, especially folks with ADHD, autism, and dyslexia. She shares the deeply personal story of her son's diagnosis, how doctors told her he would never walk or talk, and how that experience shaped everything that came after. From early struggles to find support and community, to recognizing the same barriers in adult workplaces, Rebecca's path became clear: build better systems that work for more people. They talk about art, chameleons, wild turkeys, cassette tapes, music as a sanctuary, and even egg carving (yes, really). Rebecca reveals her love of coloured pencils, her shifting subject matter—from jungle cats to intimate insects—and how those themes reflect her mission to uplift the unseen. The conversation gets into deep truths about dehumanization, systemic failure, and how families often carry the burden alone. Through it all, Rebecca is real, grounded, and wise beyond the algorithm. Her message to rebels in waiting: "The rebellion is never about you. You're doing it so that others can get the things they need." Her podcast The Quirk Factory is on its way—because the world needs more spaces where quirks don't just belong, they thrive. Quoteable Quotes "The rebellion is never about you." — Rebecca Prejean "We're all people first." — Rebecca Prejean "Even if I don't agree with someone, I should still see them as human." — Rebecca Prejean "The world needs more Rebecca, Rebecca." — Michael Dargie "Egg carving is a thing. And there's a whole expo." — Rebecca Prejean Episode Highlights People First | Designing corporate training for neurodivergent minds Parenting Changed Everything | From diagnosis to advocacy Built Different | Saying what she thought—even as a kid Art as Outlet | How pencils became her safe space From Surgeon to Storyteller | Why that career pivot happened Chameleons & Small Creatures | Drawing the intimate, overlooked animals Authenticity & Protection | Telling her family's story, with care Egg Carving | Yes. Emu eggs. With a Dremel. Musical Escapes | Cassette tapes, clarinet solos, and orchestral joy Travel as a Teacher | Why global perspective matters Launching a Podcast | The Quirk Factory is coming soon Advice to Rebels | It's not about you—it's about the people who need you Links From Episode Rebecca Prejean on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/rbprejean/) Website (https://www.ebgc.net/)

"You don't need to know how—just know that it lights you up." What happens when a creative rebel says yes to a fluke invite to Antarctica? In this episode, I talk with Heather Thorkelson about wild pivots, polar travel, and building a business with impact. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. In this episode, Michael Dargie speaks with Heather Thorkelson—entrepreneur, polar expedition guide, and founder of PolarTracks Expeditions. From growing up as a third-culture kid to building a pair of polar travel businesses, Heather's story is a blend of adventure, business smarts, and deeply human moments. Heather shares how a chance Facebook connection from a trip years earlier led to her first job in Antarctica—kicking off a career she never imagined. Today, she runs PolarTracks Expeditions, a boutique travel agency for Arctic and Antarctic cruises, and Minimal Impact Cruises, which is launching a cutting-edge, wind- and solar-powered expedition ship called the Captain Arctic. She talks about the magic of cold-water diving, the thrill of standing among 100,000 penguins, and the humbling vastness of the polar regions. Heather opens up about her unusual path, how growing up in a pilot's family shaped her curiosity, and the moment she received a mysterious "download" at the Penguin Post Office that told her she'd be back. The conversation covers everything from Swedish food and volcano hikes to near-death skydives and jellyfish orbs. At its heart, Heather's story is about saying yes, pivoting often, and trusting that the universe knows what it's doing—even when you don't. Her advice to rebels in waiting? If it lights you up, say yes. Don't cling to things that no longer serve you. Pivot often, stay curious, and go touch some damn grass. Quoteable Quotes "Nobody ever died from pivoting." — Heather Thorkelson "Kindness is everything. Not nice—kind." — Heather Thorkelson "Plot twist. Thanks, universe." — Michael Dargie "You don't need to know how—just know that it lights you up." — Heather Thorkelson "Touch grass. It's medicine." — Heather Thorkelson Episode Highlights The Arctic Life | Living near Gothenburg and chasing concerts in Copenhagen PolarTracks Expeditions | Building a polar travel company from scratch Captain Arctic | A silent, solar- and wind-powered ship for Arctic cruises Penguin Post Office | A download from the universe Saying Yes | Why her career was a total fluke Growing Up Abroad | Costa Rica, Japan, South Africa, and more Cow Sharks & Kelp Forests | Cold water scuba and surprise jellyfish Creative Curiosity | Pancakes, storytelling, and forest walks Rebel Advice | Pivot often, don't cling to what doesn't work What the World Should Know | Be kind and go outside Links From Episode Website (http://www.minimalimpactcruises.com/) Heather on Facebook (https://www.instagram.com/polartracksexpeditions/) Heather on Instagram ( https://www.instagram.com/minimalimpactcruises/) Get Your Copy of Michael's Book: "BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From 'Meh' To Memorable" Indigo | Barnes & Noble | MichaelDargie.com

"I help people stop working in their business and start working on their business." In this episode, Michael Dargie chats with hospitality veteran and industry provocateur Shawn Soole. With a career spanning nearly three decades, Shawn has seen—and done—it all. From washing dishes at 13 in Australia to building bar programs, authoring books, consulting internationally, and running a podcast, his journey is nothing short of relentless. And that's exactly how he likes it. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. Their conversation runs fast and loose through the evolution of the hospitality industry, the challenge of keeping pace with rapid change, and the mental health cost of working in an often-glamourised but demanding business. Shawn shares how he helps entrepreneurs stop "running around like a chicken with their head cut off," and shift toward building processes and systems that actually serve their vision. He also opens up about getting sober, the identity crisis that followed, and how he's reshaped his life and business in the years since. His no-BS honesty about addiction in the service industry, burnout, and boundaries hits home. At the same time, his passion for teaching, mentoring, and helping others build sustainable businesses is clear. Shawn also reflects on how the COVID-19 pandemic forced a hard reset across the industry and why that presented a necessary opportunity for reevaluation. His work with Soole Hospitality Concepts and the Post Shift podcast continues to challenge the status quo while giving business owners tools they can actually use. For anyone working in—or orbiting around—the hospitality world, this episode is a refreshing gut check. PULL QUOTES "We've been glamorizing a toxic industry for a long time." —Shawn Soole "Success doesn't mean burnout." —Michael Dargie "I hit that point where I said, if I'm going to get out of this industry, it's going to be on my own terms." —Shawn Soole "I help people stop working in their business and start working on their business." —Shawn Soole EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS [00:01,000] Origin Story | Shawn's start in hospitality at 13 [00:04,000] Soole Hospitality Concepts | Why and how he started his consultancy [00:09,000] Pandemic Reset | How COVID-19 shifted the industry and mindsets [00:12,000] Sobriety and Identity | Navigating a major lifestyle change [00:18,000] The Systems Fix | Helping owners escape chaos with structure [00:25,000] Mental Health in Hospitality | Burnout, addiction, and making it sustainable [00:30,000] Post Shift Podcast | Teaching the next generation of hospitality pros [00:36,000] Legacy Projects | What's next for Shawn LINKS FROM EPISODE Soole Hospitality Concepts (https://www.soolehospitality.com) Post Shift Podcast (https://www.postshiftpodcast.com/) Great Northern Cocktails (book) (https://www.amazon.ca/Great-Northern-Cocktails-Shawn-Soole/dp/1907434534/) BC Spirits (https://www.bcspirits.com/) BrandJitsu Book by Michael Dargie(https://brandjitsu.com) Get Your Copy of Michael's Book: "BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From 'Meh' To Memorable" Indigo | Barnes & Noble | MichaelDargie.com

"Create the things you wish existed." What happens when a little girl obsessed with animals grows up, faces down fear, and builds a vet clinic on a dream? In this episode, Beth Barrett shares her story of grit, independence, and what it really means to live in alignment with your values. This episode is sponsored by my new book BRANDJITSU, helping you find, shape, and share your story with the world. In This Episode In this episode, Michael Dargie talks with veterinarian and entrepreneur Beth Barrett about her decades-long career, her passion for animals, and the power of doing hard things. From her clinic just outside Calgary, Alberta, Beth shares what it took to build her dream practice—complete with an indoor dog arena, a fancy chicken coop, and the best damn surgery suite this side of anywhere. Beth knew she wanted to be a vet since she was a kid, and she never looked back. But the path wasn't without its setbacks. After a serious horseback riding accident, she had to decide whether to quit or face her fears. She chose to ride again. That decision changed her. She and Michael talk about everything from the corporatization of veterinary care, to why tired dogs are good dogs, to Stoic philosophy and dried mango. Beth opens up about the joys of riding, training, and how teaching dogs stretches their bodies and their minds. Her message to rebels in waiting: do hard things. That's where the growth is. Quotable Quotes "Create the things you wish existed." "A tired dog is a good dog." "The growth I've experienced in life has come at those hard spots." "Doing hard things will make you extraordinary." "You don't get stronger when things are cushy." Episode Highlights Becoming a Vet | From childhood dream to lifelong career. The Power of Vision | Turning a horse farm into a full-service clinic. Private vs. Corporate | Why independence matters in vet med. Doing Hard Things | How fear almost kept her out of the saddle. Training for Health | Dog yoga, strength, and stretching. Riding for Joy | The magic of working equitation. Dog Park & Arena | Why tired dogs are good dogs. Fill Your Bucket | What Beth does to recharge. Favourite Place | Cycling and hiking in the Tonto Preserve. Favourite Season | Autumn, and what it teaches us. Rebel Advice | Do the hard thing. Links From Episode Barrett Veterinary Practice Website (http://barrettvet.ca) Dr. Beth on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/barrettveterinarypractice/) Dr. Beth on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/barrettveterinarypractice) Get Your Copy of Michael's Book: "BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From 'Meh' To Memorable" Indigo | Barnes & Noble | MichaelDargie.com