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173 episodes
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2018/09/27
Latest episode
2026/10/07
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43 min.
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7 days

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Welcome to the Off The Tools Podcast, where two of the UK's best trade business coaches, Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones, deliver tons of free value week in week out to help trade business owners level up their business and more importantly themselves. Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones are passionate entrepreneurs & trade business owners themselves who are committed to personal and professional development. on this channel, Wayne & Andy share their wisdom on mindset, self-development, and offer glimpses into how to create a life that is one of choice and freedom.

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#48 Stop Paying Out Of Your Own Pocket: Why Fuel Prices Mean Trades Must Raise Their Prices
2026/10/07
n this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle a subject every trade business owner needs to hear right now: rising fuel prices and why you must stop absorbing business costs yourself. With diesel prices pushing towards and beyond £2 per litre in some areas, the cost of running vans, engineers, tools, materials, deliveries and day-to-day operations is climbing fast. But far too many tradesmen are still trying to keep customers happy by taking the hit themselves. Wayne and Andy explain why that mindset is dangerous. If your costs go up and your prices stay the same, your profit is the thing that disappears. Inside this episode, we cover: Why rising fuel costs must be passed on to the customer Why absorbing extra costs damages your profit How one van can quietly cost thousands more per year Why business costs must be built into your pricing Why “I don’t want to upset the customer” is poor business thinking How job management and quoting software help lock in proper pricing Why every trade business should know its numbers Why annual price reviews are not enough in a fast-changing market How fuel prices affect the wider supply chain Why sole traders often miss the real cost of running a van Why being busy but underpriced still leaves you broke How the Off The Tools Pricing Calculator helps expose the real numbers This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who are feeling the squeeze from fuel, materials, labour, tax, insurance and running costs. Because the truth is simple: You are not there to subsidise your customers. You are there to run a profitable, sustainable business. Wayne and Andy also introduce The 90 Day Forge, the new Off The Tools programme launching in January. This is an intense 90-day programme designed to help heating business owners build stronger foundations, understand their pricing, implement systems, improve quoting, collect reviews, build better customer journeys and step properly into the role of business owner. When fuel prices rise, material prices rise, supply chains rise and operating costs rise, your prices need to rise too. Otherwise, you are not protecting your customers. You are simply taking money out of your own pocket to keep everyone else comfortable. Key Takeaway
#47 The Trade Industry Has A Victim Mentality
2026/09/30
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle a mindset that holds far too many tradesmen back: victim mentality. From blaming cheap competitors, the economy, customers, VAT, tax, accountants, staff, lead platforms and “the race to the bottom”, too many trade business owners give away their power instead of taking ownership of the business they are building. Wayne and Andy break down why it is only a race to the bottom if you choose to run in that race — and why the real opportunity in 2026 is to compete on value, not just price. They discuss why customers are willing to pay more when the experience around the job is better: faster communication, proper booking confirmations, on-the-way messages, clear pricing, good software, strong reviews, professional branding and a business that feels reliable from start to finish. Inside this episode, we cover: Why “race to the bottom” is often an excuse Why cheap competitors are not your real problem How to compete on value instead of price Why customers pay more for a better experience Why answering the phone and communicating properly matters How victim mentality shows up in pricing, VAT, tax and staffing Why blaming customers keeps tradesmen stuck Why your current customers may not be your future customers How better systems and software help you charge more Why business owners need to think like problem solvers Why surrounding yourself with the right people changes your standards Book recommendations for mindset, ownership and resilience This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who feel frustrated with the market, pricing, customers or competition — but know deep down they need to take more ownership. Because the truth is, two businesses in the same town, doing the same trade, in the same economy, can get completely different results. The difference is usually mindset, standards, systems and the willingness to take responsibility. It is only a race to the bottom if you choose to compete at the bottom. Stop blaming the market, the customers, the government, the accountant, the competition or the economy. Take ownership, build more value, improve the customer experience, charge properly, and surround yourself with people who are moving forward — not moaning from the sidelines. Key Takeaway
#46 Stop Taking Advice From Broke Tradesmen
2026/09/23
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk about one of the biggest things holding tradesmen back: taking advice from the wrong people. There are plenty of people in the trade industry willing to give advice. Some mean well. Some are stuck in the past. Some are projecting their own limits onto you. And some simply haven’t built the kind of business you actually want. Wayne and Andy break down why you need to be careful who you listen to, especially when it comes to pricing, hiring, marketing, software, AI, admin, growth and building a real business. A simple question to ask yourself is: Would you swap your business for theirs? If the answer is no, be careful how much weight you give their advice. Inside this episode, we cover: Why broke tradesmen often give dangerous business advice Why experience alone does not always mean good advice Why “I’ve done it this way for 30 years” can hold you back How outdated thinking keeps tradesmen stuck Why pricing advice from cheap tradesmen can damage your business Why taking advice from family and friends can be risky The danger of listening to people who have never built what you want Why trade businesses need current advice, not advice from 10 years ago How AI, software and customer expectations are changing the game Why AI is a tool, not a magic replacement for people Why surrounding yourself with the right people changes your standards Why being in the right environment helps you think bigger This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who want to grow but keep getting pulled back by old-school advice, negative opinions or people telling them what cannot be done. Because the truth is, the advice you follow shapes the business you build. If you keep listening to people who are stuck, you will probably stay stuck. If this episode hits home and you know it is time to stop winging it, stop taking advice from the wrong people, and start building your business properly, then The 90 Day Forge has been built for you. This is Off The Tools’ new 90-day programme designed to help heating business owners forge the foundations of a stronger, more profitable and more organised business. Over 90 days, we help you focus on the key areas that matter — pricing, systems, numbers, marketing, software, admin, customer journey, and the mindset shift from tradesman to business owner. It is not about fluffy motivation. It is about building the foundations properly so you can create more time, more freedom and more profit. Find out more here:https://offthetools.co.uk/90dayforge Be careful who you take advice from. Someone might have good intentions, but if they have not built what you want to build, their advice could keep you stuck. Take advice from people who are ahead of you, people who are current, people who understand the modern trade industry, and people who have actually built what they are talking about.
#45 “I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck
2026/09/16
“I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle one of the biggest pricing problems in the trade industry: “I can’t charge that.” After seeing comments from tradesmen claiming you cannot charge more than a certain day rate or hourly rate in their area, Wayne and Andy break down why this mindset is holding so many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, joiners, builders and trade business owners back. The truth is, most tradesmen are not pricing based on their actual business costs, profit targets, overheads, time, risk or value. They are pricing based on what other accidental business owners are charging. Wayne and Andy explain why £60–£80 per hour might feel normal in the trade industry, but often leaves no real profit once you factor in fuel, vans, admin, tools, insurance, tax, holidays, downtime, quoting time and the cost of actually running a business. Inside this episode, we cover: Why “I can’t charge that” is often a business owner problem Why copying local competitors is dangerous Why most trade pricing is built by accidental business owners How to reverse-engineer your hourly rate properly Why profit must be built into your pricing The difference between price and value Why some businesses can charge £150+ VAT per hour Why customers pay more when the value is clear How reviews help justify premium pricing Why Review Lion helps build trust across multiple platforms Why branding, websites, workwear and van presentation matter Why customer experience wraps around the job itself Why your current customers might not be your future customers How marketing helps you attract better-paying customers Why cheap customers often keep you trapped Why different trades need different pricing models Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who know they need to put their prices up but keep talking themselves out of it. Whether you are a heating engineer, plumber, electrician, builder, carpenter, joiner or trade business owner, this episode will challenge how you think about pricing, value, positioning and profit. Because the issue is not always that customers will not pay more. Sometimes the issue is that your business is not positioned, branded, reviewed, marketed or systemised well enough to justify charging more yet. You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else. Key Takeaway You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else.
#44 Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head
2026/09/09
Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk about the start of silly season in the heating industry — that busy period when the weather turns, boilers start breaking down, customers become urgent, and the next few months can quickly become a blur. Although this episode is aimed mainly at heating engineers, the message applies to any trade business with seasonal busy periods. Wayne and Andy discuss how tradesmen can use the busy season properly, not just to survive, but to build stronger systems, capture more customers, collect more reviews, improve communication and prepare the business for quieter months. Inside this episode, we cover: Why September marks the start of silly season for heating engineers Why fast quoting matters when things get busy How missed phone calls hand work to your competitors Why customer communication should not be the first thing you cut How AI call answering can help as a backup Why admin support is still the long-term solution How to capture boiler service work during winter Why reviews matter more during high-volume periods How service plans can help carry you through summer Why winter cash should be used to build better systems How to avoid burning out during the busiest months Why your busy season should help build a business, not just create chaos This episode is perfect for heating engineers, plumbers, gas engineers and trade business owners who are heading into their busiest period and want to avoid the usual winter overwhelm. If you normally spend silly season missing calls, quoting late at night, rushing between jobs, letting standards slip and hoping the money carries you through summer, this episode will challenge how you think. The goal is not just to be busy. The goal is to use the busy season to create more reviews, more recurring work, better systems, stronger customer relationships and a business that does not fall apart every winter. Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter. Key Takeaway Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter.
#43 Paid Ads For Trades: Why More Leads Won’t Fix A Broken Business
2026/09/02
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones are joined by Mark Clifford, founder of Online Digital, a paid ads and digital marketing agency specialising in Facebook Ads, Google Ads, TikTok, email marketing, AI and automation. This episode tackles one of the biggest mistakes UK tradesmen make when they want to grow: thinking more leads will fix everything. Wayne, Andy and Mark break down why paid ads can be powerful for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners — but only when the business has the right foundations in place first. If you cannot answer the phone, follow up quickly, understand your numbers, manage enquiries properly or convert leads into paying customers, then spending money on Google Ads or Facebook Ads will only expose the cracks in your business faster. Inside this episode, we cover: Why paid ads are not a magic fix for trade businessesWhat tradesmen need in place before running Google Ads or Facebook AdsWhy answering the phone quickly matters more than everThe danger of paying for leads you cannot handleWhy speed to lead is crucial in emergency trade workHow cost per acquisition affects profitWhy you must know your numbers before working with an ad agencyHow to spot whether an agency understands your businessWhy more leads can create more chaos without admin and systemsWhy hiring, delegation and follow-up are key to scalingThe difference between buying leads and building a real businessWhy marketing, software and admin should be seen as investments, not costsThis episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are thinking about running paid ads, have been burned by an agency before, or feel like they need more leads but are not sure where to start. Mark also shares practical advice on what a good ad agency should be asking before they take your money — including whether you can actually handle the enquiry volume and whether you understand the type of customer who buys from your business. If you are a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer, builder or trades business owner looking to grow, this episode will help you understand why marketing only works properly when your back-end systems, follow-up and numbers are in place. More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost. 💥 Key Takeaway More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost.
#42 The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2
2026/08/26
The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2 In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones continue part two of their deep dive into the hidden costs that are quietly destroying profit in UK trade businesses. After covering the first ten hidden profit leaks in part one, Wayne and Andy move into the next set of problems that hold tradesmen back — from staff turnover and poor time management to weak systems, customer churn, bad purchasing decisions, equipment downtime and the wrong mindset. Most plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, builders and trades business owners do not lose profit from one massive mistake. They lose it through lots of small leaks that build up over time. Poor hiring. Not knowing the numbers. Quoting badly. Managing time poorly. Selling on price instead of value. Avoiding training. Having no systems. Losing existing customers. Buying badly. Letting vans and equipment break down. Thinking like a tradesman instead of a business owner. Inside this episode, we cover: Why staff turnover costs trade businesses so much money How poor hiring and weak onboarding damage growth Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable How Making Tax Digital could force better money management Why poor time management kills profit Why selling on price instead of value is a race to the bottom The importance of business training and mentorship Why no systems means lost customers and lost income How customer churn quietly drains your business Why poor purchasing and bad stock control reduce margins How van and equipment downtime can wipe out profit Why mindset is one of the biggest hidden costs in business This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are busy, working hard and bringing money in — but still feel like they are not keeping enough of it. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop ignoring the hidden leaks in your business and start running it like a proper business owner. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk A trade business does not usually fail from one big hit. It fails from death by a thousand cuts. Small leaks in time, pricing, systems, stock, staff, customers and mindset slowly drain the profit until the owner is working harder than ever with less to show for it. Find the leaks. Fix the systems. Know your numbers. Think like a business owner. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway
#41 The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 1
2026/08/19
The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 1 In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones break down the hidden costs that are quietly destroying profit in UK trade businesses. Most plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, builders and trades business owners know their obvious costs — materials, fuel, wages, insurance and tools. But the real damage often comes from the hidden costs that get ignored every day. Missed phone calls. Slow quotes. Callbacks. Poor scheduling. Weak communication. Underpricing. No upselling. Bad debt. Poor van stock management. And the biggest one of all — the business owner becoming the bottleneck. Wayne and Andy go through the first part of their list of hidden profit leaks and explain how these small problems compound into lost jobs, wasted hours, poor cash flow, stressed customers and a business that feels busy but still does not make enough money. Inside this episode, we cover: Why missed calls are costing tradesmen real money Why customers will not wait around anymore How slow quotes lose jobs in 2026 Why callbacks are often a systems or training problem How poor scheduling wastes time, fuel and diary space Why underpricing destroys profit Why you must add margin to materials The hidden cost of poor van stock control Why communication is now a major part of customer value How upselling can help customers and increase profit Why bad debt should not be tolerated How the owner becomes the bottleneck in a growing trade business This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who feel busy but still do not see enough profit at the end of the month. If you are working hard, winning jobs and staying busy but still wondering where the money is going, this episode will help you spot the hidden leaks in your business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk Profit is not only lost on big mistakes. It is often lost through small daily leaks that go unnoticed. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to find the hidden costs, fix the systems, and stop letting your trade business quietly rinse your money. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway
#40 Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners
2026/08/12
Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones explore a hard truth in the trades: Being a brilliant engineer does not automatically make you a brilliant business owner. Many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers and tradesmen spend years improving their technical skills, learning new systems, buying better tools and becoming excellent on the job. But the skills that make you great on the tools are not always the same skills needed to build a profitable, scalable and sustainable trade business. Wayne and Andy discuss why technical ability can sometimes become an anchor, holding business owners back from hiring, delegating, systemising, marketing properly and stepping into the role of business owner. This episode covers: Why being the best engineer is not enoughThe difference between tradesman thinking and business owner thinkingWhy technical skill can sometimes hold you backWhy customers value more than just perfect pipeworkWhy great tradesmen often struggle to delegateHow being able to “just jump in the van” stops proper problem-solvingWhy business skills, systems and leadership matter more as you growThe danger of always being the technical person in your businessWhy hiring people with different skills can help you scaleWhy becoming a better business owner may mean stepping away from being the best engineerIf you are a UK tradesman who takes pride in doing top-quality work but still feels stuck, overwhelmed or tied to the tools, this episode will challenge the way you think about growth. Because if you want to build a proper trade business, you cannot only focus on being better at the trade. You have to become better at business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance: https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call: https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes: https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast The best tradesman does not always build the best business. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop only thinking like an engineer and start thinking like a business owner.
#39 Is Andy Burnham Right - Why Trades Could Beat a Degrees
2026/08/05
Are Apprenticeships Finally Getting The Respect They Deserve? Why Trades Could Beat Degrees In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into a big conversation around apprenticeships, university, trade careers and the future of work. For years, young people have been pushed towards university as the “better” option, while apprenticeships and hands-on trades have often been looked down on. But is that finally changing? Wayne and Andy discuss why becoming a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer or skilled tradesman can now offer more opportunity, flexibility and earning potential than many traditional degree-based careers. They also explore how AI is changing the job market, why hands-on trades are likely to become even more valuable, and why real-world skills, confidence, problem-solving and life experience matter just as much as academic qualifications. Inside this episode, we cover: Why apprenticeships should be valued alongside degrees The earning potential of qualified tradesmen Why university is no longer the obvious “safe” route How AI could impact office-based and degree-based careers Why hands-on trades are harder to replace Why young people need more real-world experience The difference between classroom learning and learning on the job Why tradesmen build confidence, resilience and problem-solving skills Why the trade industry needs to be promoted properly to the next generation What parents should consider when advising their children on careers This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen, parents, apprentices, young people, employers and anyone interested in the future of apprenticeships, trade careers and vocational training. If you’ve ever wondered whether university is still worth it, whether your child should consider a trade, or whether apprenticeships deserve more respect, this episode will challenge the old way of thinking. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast University is not the only route to success. For many young people, an apprenticeship could offer better earning potential, stronger life skills, less debt, more flexibility and a safer future in a world being reshaped by AI. The trades do not need to be seen as the backup plan anymore. They could be one of the smartest paths available. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway
#38 Tradesmen Using AI Will Win: How AI, Automation & Software Are Changing The Trade Industry
2026/07/29
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into one of the biggest shifts happening in the UK trades industry: Tradesmen using AI are going to win. AI is not here to replace plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, bathroom fitters or gas engineers on the tools. Robots are not turning up tomorrow to fit boilers, rewire houses or install bathrooms. But AI is already changing everything that happens around the job. Wayne and Andy discuss how AI, automation, CRM systems, job management software and smart workflows are helping modern trade businesses improve customer service, reduce admin, follow up faster, send better quotes, manage reminders, collect reviews, trigger upsells and create a smoother customer journey. They also explain why AI is not a magic button. It still needs the right business foundations, systems, admin support and human oversight to work properly. Used badly, AI can damage the customer experience. Used properly, it can help a trades business look more professional, respond faster and compete at a much higher level. Inside this episode, we cover: Why tradesmen using AI will have a huge advantage Why AI will not replace the actual trade work on site How AI supports admin, customer service and follow-up Why customers now expect Amazon/Uber-style communication The danger of relying too heavily on AI without systems Why AI call answering still needs careful use How automation can support office staff, not replace them How ServiceM8, SalesLion, QuoteLion and Review Lion can work together How AI can trigger quotes, emails, texts and upsell journeys Why reviews, reminders and customer experience matter more than ever Why software should be seen as an investment, not a cost This episode is perfect for UK plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians and trade business owners who want to future-proof their business, improve customer experience and use AI properly without losing the personal touch. If you are still relying on paper, manual follow-up, missed calls, late quotes and old-school systems, this episode will challenge how you think about the future of your trade business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Explore QuoteLion:https://quotelion.co.uk Explore Review Lion:https://reviewlion.co.uk AI is not replacing tradesmen. But tradesmen who use AI, automation and modern software properly will beat the ones who refuse to adapt. The future of the trades will not just be won by the best engineer on the tools. It will be won by the business that communicates better, follows up faster, quotes professionally, collects reviews, automates the boring stuff and still keeps the human touch.
#37 Thinking Of Going Self-Employed? What Every Tradesman Must Know Before Going On Their Own
2026/07/22
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk directly to UK tradesmen who are thinking about going self-employed, starting their own trade business, or have recently gone out on their own but are struggling to get traction. Going on your own is often seen as the dream — more money, more freedom, no boss, and full control. But the reality is very different if you start without the right pricing, systems, marketing, website, software and business mindset. Wayne and Andy explain why too many plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians and tradesmen start too cheap, attract the wrong customers, rely on old-school methods, and end up becoming busy fools rather than profitable business owners. This episode covers the real foundations every tradesman needs before going self-employed, including: How to price properly before going on your ownWhy charging too cheap creates the wrong customer baseWhy you need job management software from day oneWhy branded certificate pads and paper diaries are outdatedThe importance of a proper website in 2026How AI search, SEO and online visibility are changing the gameWhy reviews are now the modern word of mouthWhy ServiceM8, QuoteLion, Review Lion and strong systems matterHow primitive marketing still works when done properlyWhy van branding, flyers and local visibility still have powerWhy you need capital before starting a serious trade businessWhy being a good tradesman is no longer enoughIf you are thinking about leaving employment, starting a plumbing business, heating business, gas business, electrical business or any UK trade business, this episode is a must-listen. Wayne and Andy give honest, no-fluff advice on what it really takes to build a modern trades business — and why the old way of “do a good job and word of mouth will sort it” is no longer enough. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Access free resources and training:https://offthetools.co.uk/free-resources Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast Going self-employed is not the goal. Building a profitable, professional and sustainable trade business is. If you go out on your own with weak pricing, no systems, no website, no software and no plan, you are not building freedom — you are building another stressful job. Do it properly from the start. 🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway
#36 Should Your First Hire Be An Engineer Or Admin? Scaling A Trade Business The Smart Way
2026/07/15
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle one of the biggest decisions UK tradesmen face when they start to grow: Who should your first employee be — an engineer on the tools, or someone in the office? Many plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians and trades business owners hit the same wall: they’re busy, overwhelmed, doing too much themselves, and running out of time. The natural thought is to hire another tradesman. But is that always the best move? Wayne and Andy break down both sides of the argument, looking at when it makes sense to hire a field engineer, when an admin person could be the smarter first hire, and why taking on staff without systems, onboarding, training and proper pricing can quickly create more chaos. This episode covers the real-world challenges of scaling a trades business, including managing letting agent work, builder work, private customers, job management software, customer service, reviews, diary control, onboarding, culture, cash flow and freeing yourself from evening admin. Inside this episode, we cover: When to hire your first engineerWhy admin might be your best first employeeHow office support can help you win more workWhy answering the phone properly mattersHow admin staff improve customer experience and reviewsThe hidden costs of taking on field staffWhy onboarding and culture are vital when hiringHow to stop doing admin every night after workHow to free up time without breaking the businessWhy scaling a trade business needs systems, not just more peopleThis episode is perfect for self-employed plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers and trades business owners who feel maxed out and are wondering how to take the next step. If you’re stuck doing the work, answering the phone, quoting at night, chasing customers, managing the diary and trying to grow all at the same time, this episode will help you think clearly about your next hire. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call:https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Access free resources and training:https://offthetools.co.uk/free-resources Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast Your first hire should not just be about getting another pair of hands. It should be about creating more time, better systems, stronger customer service, more profit and less chaos. Sometimes the smartest first hire is not another tradesman. It’s the person who helps you finally run the business properly. 🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway
#35 Live Q&A With Wayne & Andy: Pricing, Profit, Leads & Scaling Your Trades Business
2026/07/08
In this live Off The Tools Q&A, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones answer real questions from UK tradesmen about pricing, profit, lead generation, scaling, systems, builders, subcontracting, and how to build a proper trade business. This session is packed with practical, no-fluff business coaching for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, bathroom fitters and trades business owners who want more control, better margins and less chaos. Wayne and Andy discuss the common problems holding tradesmen back, including undercharging, working too much for builders, struggling to win private customers, not knowing your numbers, weak profit margins, poor systems, and the challenge of moving from being “just busy” to actually building a profitable business. Inside this live Q&A, we cover: How to price jobs properly as a UK tradesmanWhy knowing your numbers is essential for profitHow to use the Off The Tools pricing calculatorDay rates vs hourly ratesWhy builders and subcontracting work can trap your businessHow to start attracting more private customersPrimitive marketing ideas for tradesmenLead generation platforms like CheckatradeLifetime customer value and repeat workWhy charging properly is not optional in 2026How to start scaling without breaking the businessThe importance of systems, automations and job management softwareWhy surrounding yourself with the right people changes everythingIf you are a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer, bathroom fitter or trade business owner who feels stuck, underpaid or unsure how to grow, this episode will give you real-world advice from two trade business owners who are still actively running businesses and coaching tradesmen across the UK. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance here:https://offthetools.co.uk Access free resources, including the pricing calculator and training:https://offthetools.co.uk/free-resources Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast View membership and coaching options:https://offthetools.co.uk/membership-tiers Most tradesmen don’t need more graft. They need better pricing, better systems, better margins, better customers and better people around them. This live Q&A shows exactly why business coaching for tradesmen matters — because the right advice at the right time can save years of stress, wasted money and poor decisions. 📌 Based on the Off The Tools Live Q&A with Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones.
#34 Should Tradesmen Take Payment Upfront? The Business Owner Mindset Most Tradesmen Avoid
2026/07/01
In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into one of the most debated topics in the UK trades industry: Should plumbers, heating engineers, electricians and trades business owners take payment upfront? What starts as a general Off The Tools catch-up quickly turns into a powerful discussion around customer expectations, business owner mindset, pricing, trust, reviews, online reputation, job management software, payment links, deposits and why too many tradesmen leave all the power with the customer. Wayne and Andy break down the difference between thinking like a tradesman and thinking like a business owner. They discuss why customers are now comparing businesses differently, why reviews and professional presentation matter more than ever, and how the right systems can make taking payment upfront feel natural, professional and fair. This episode is perfect for UK plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians, builders and trades business owners who want to protect cash flow, stop chasing payments, reduce admin stress and build a more professional trade business. Inside this episode, we cover: Why taking payment upfront triggers so many tradesmenThe difference between deposits, prepayment and payment on completionHow reviews and online presence build customer trustWhy one-man-band thinking can limit your businessHow payment links and job management software streamline adminWhy customers have more power when you invoice after the jobThe risk of doing boiler installs, fault finds or call-outs with no money upfrontHow to position your business so customers compare apples with orangesWhy professional systems help tradesmen charge properly and get paid fasterIf you’re still chasing invoices, waiting weeks to be paid, or scared to ask customers for money upfront, this episode will challenge the way you run your business. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance here: offthetools.co.uk Explore membership and coaching options here: Off The Tools Membership Plans Book a free call or get in touch here: Contact Off The Tools Off The Tools provides no-nonsense business coaching for UK tradesmen, including plumbers, electricians, builders and gas engineers, with support around pricing, systems, marketing, software and getting off the tools. 📌 Based on the Off The Tools Podcast discussion around payment upfront, trade business systems, customer trust, reviews, payment links and business owner mindset. 🔗 Useful Links

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